dreamcast vs gamecube
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[QUOTE="Panzer_Zwei"][QUOTE="beldugo"][QUOTE="Panzer_Zwei"]Ikaruga made it better than Radiant Silvergun? Grandia II made it better than Grandia? Skies of Arcadia made it better than Panzer Dragon Saga?[QUOTE="beldugo"]games that Dc made it big: grandia made it big, shenmue made it big, ikaruga made it better than silver gun, jet set radio greatest, skies of arcadia its a example of better rpg, shooter Dc has better,Racing- sega gt, tokyo highway and more i cant remenber, fighting you know DC has better.
i cant name all of them on saturn because all i can remember is favorites :P, but the only ones that never made it to dreamcast that where big where panzer dragon, burning rangers, shining force 3? forgot name, and nights.
dreamcast took over saturn man.. only game i can say its best on saturn is dragon force since its my favorite strategy game and i think there were only like 2 strategy game for DC.beldugo
Ikaruga was a huge dissapointment to Radiant Silvergun. They threw away the deepest system in a SHMUP to date even to this day to a gimmicky Silhouette Mirage fan-service feature with a highly stiff structure. Grandia was the Final Fantasy VII killer of the time, everybody said it was better than FFVII, even GS themselves. Grandia II was lucky if it got above 8.0 in most sites.
I'm not even gonna get into RPGs since the Dreamcast only got like 4 of them.
The Saturn made it in Japan while it flopped everywhere else. The Dreamcast flopped in Japan and it did well everwhere else, which really limited Japanese support it got compared to the Saturn.
Most of the Saturn games stayed in Japan, hence why it's understandable that most non-importers don't know about them, but the Saturn had a wider and more impressive library than the Dreamcast.
The Dreamcast really looked like it was gonna surpass the Saturn, and it could've had, everybody tought so, but it didn't lasted, and it just stands as it is.
i'm sorry but dreamcast sold more than saturn. it is safe to say that dreamcast surpass the saturn, so its a better successor to the saturn.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sega_Dreamcast
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sega_Saturn
on games of which is better i can say i wont argue because the ones you posted where all great and i love them too. that is personal opinion right there. i believe that grandia 2 is better you say grandia 1 is better but overall which did better?
Ikaruga brought a great system i loved it and i love radiant silver gun too. one question for you is Ikaruga bad? i haven't played panzer dragon saga my cd 1 came mess up... the rest work though :( , i still have it here and i know skies of arcadia is a great game.
the one that actually flop was the saturn.It sold only .6 million more. Actually the Dreamcast was more a economical failure than the Saturn despite the .6 difference that it isn't even relevant. How many of the % of sales total were bought by piracy users that never bought original software? A big chunk and it was a factor in the systems downfall. Also all of their big hitter titles flopped tremendously, specially Shenmue. While with the Saturn SEGA sponsored the popular Anime Evangelion which turned out to be a big success in Japan, Sakura Taisen also gave them big earnings, and in general they made much more money off the Saturn-era surprisingly.
But even so, it's silly to try to measure the quality of a system based in sales to begin with.
well i'm just showing you that dreamcast was a better successor it did not flop even if the difference was 600,000 consoles and even if sega's downfall was piracy the games appeal to 600,000 consumers more than the saturn. i am one of does 10.6mill consumers that think dreamcast is better.
you could pirate saturn games too by the way even though it was easier for Dc it was still out there. It it was a sucess it wouldn't had failed as it did in juat 2 years while the Saturn managed to last 4.
The Attach rate was much higher in the Saturn and they made more money on the Saturn than with the Dreamcast. Try and explain how their big budget games flopped tremendously if they were according to you more popular than on the Saturn.
Shenmue was the most expensive game ever created with a cost of $70 million dollars and it was their biggest failure ever. SEGA lost more money on the Dreamcast than what they did with the Saturn and that's a fact. So I fail to see how it was the Dreamcast more successful.
Hell they had Segata Sashiro with the Saturn which was a craze in Japan.
I think it's pretty obvious it was a much popular system there.
[QUOTE="beldugo"][QUOTE="Panzer_Zwei"][QUOTE="beldugo"][QUOTE="Panzer_Zwei"]Ikaruga made it better than Radiant Silvergun? Grandia II made it better than Grandia? Skies of Arcadia made it better than Panzer Dragon Saga?[QUOTE="beldugo"]games that Dc made it big: grandia made it big, shenmue made it big, ikaruga made it better than silver gun, jet set radio greatest, skies of arcadia its a example of better rpg, shooter Dc has better,Racing- sega gt, tokyo highway and more i cant remenber, fighting you know DC has better.
i cant name all of them on saturn because all i can remember is favorites :P, but the only ones that never made it to dreamcast that where big where panzer dragon, burning rangers, shining force 3? forgot name, and nights.
dreamcast took over saturn man.. only game i can say its best on saturn is dragon force since its my favorite strategy game and i think there were only like 2 strategy game for DC.Panzer_Zwei
Ikaruga was a huge dissapointment to Radiant Silvergun. They threw away the deepest system in a SHMUP to date even to this day to a gimmicky Silhouette Mirage fan-service feature with a highly stiff structure. Grandia was the Final Fantasy VII killer of the time, everybody said it was better than FFVII, even GS themselves. Grandia II was lucky if it got above 8.0 in most sites.
I'm not even gonna get into RPGs since the Dreamcast only got like 4 of them.
The Saturn made it in Japan while it flopped everywhere else. The Dreamcast flopped in Japan and it did well everwhere else, which really limited Japanese support it got compared to the Saturn.
Most of the Saturn games stayed in Japan, hence why it's understandable that most non-importers don't know about them, but the Saturn had a wider and more impressive library than the Dreamcast.
The Dreamcast really looked like it was gonna surpass the Saturn, and it could've had, everybody tought so, but it didn't lasted, and it just stands as it is.
i'm sorry but dreamcast sold more than saturn. it is safe to say that dreamcast surpass the saturn, so its a better successor to the saturn.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sega_Dreamcast
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sega_Saturn
on games of which is better i can say i wont argue because the ones you posted where all great and i love them too. that is personal opinion right there. i believe that grandia 2 is better you say grandia 1 is better but overall which did better?
Ikaruga brought a great system i loved it and i love radiant silver gun too. one question for you is Ikaruga bad? i haven't played panzer dragon saga my cd 1 came mess up... the rest work though :( , i still have it here and i know skies of arcadia is a great game.
the one that actually flop was the saturn.It sold only .6 million more. Actually the Dreamcast was more a economical failure than the Saturn despite the .6 difference that it isn't even relevant. How many of the % of sales total were bought by piracy users that never bought original software? A big chunk and it was a factor in the systems downfall. Also all of their big hitter titles flopped tremendously, specially Shenmue. While with the Saturn SEGA sponsored the popular Anime Evangelion which turned out to be a big success in Japan, Sakura Taisen also gave them big earnings, and in general they made much more money off the Saturn-era surprisingly.
But even so, it's silly to try to measure the quality of a system based in sales to begin with.
well i'm just showing you that dreamcast was a better successor it did not flop even if the difference was 600,000 consoles and even if sega's downfall was piracy the games appeal to 600,000 consumers more than the saturn. i am one of does 10.6mill consumers that think dreamcast is better.
you could pirate saturn games too by the way even though it was easier for Dc it was still out there. It it was a sucess it wouldn't had failed as it did in juat 2 years while the Saturn managed to last 4.
The Attach rate was much higher in the Saturn and they made more money on the Saturn than with the Dreamcast. Try and explain how their big budget games flopped tremendously if they were according to you more popular than on the Saturn.
Shenmue was the most expensive game ever created with a cost of $70 million dollars and it was their biggest failure ever. SEGA lost more money on the Dreamcast than what they did with the Saturn and that's a fact. So I fail to see how it was the Dreamcast more successful.
Hell they had Segata Sashiro with the Saturn which was a craze in Japan.
I think it's pretty obvious it was a much popular system there.
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