DS vs. PSP*
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yeah, given UMD kills the old outdated DS cartridge existed since now loading yearsFill in the blanks
curp11
Done
The question there is how much capacity the DS can actually address, because if 256MB is it, then you are all SOL. [QUOTE="danneswegman"] they are (a necessary demographic) in Nintendo's eyes. Am I Nintendo? No, didn't think so..thats one reason they've disgusted me lately, they are trying to appeal more to non-gamers than to gamers and because of that you get a multitude of non-games and the real games of their systems are mostly inferior to ones found elsewhere.oh believe me, i do not mean to say that it is practical, likely or an intelligent move on nintendo's part.. merely, the DS is powerful enough where he seemed to hint it was not. I have some memory of there being talk of increasing the size of ds cartridges for games that need it? or was that some rumour passed around at one point? But a memory card attachment is an interesting thought!
blahzor
[QUOTE="Naked-Snake"]how come ds is winning, what is so good about it, psp has all the elements on its side except the price and loading time
borgmaster
it's a little something called, whats the word again?? oh yeah, GAMES!
and also price and reliable hardware.
Price has more to do with it that anything else...although the non-games I'm sure have jumped sales some with Nintendo selling Brainage and DSes to hospitals for instance.
Everytime i run out of DS's, i buy three, glue them together, and use them as toilet paper. PSP is the best system there is. who agrees with me.
PSP: psp is a ps2, ipod, a dvd player, and computer, internet, and everything else put togenter.
DS: has silly and childish graphics from Snes and atari, also has two screens for bait.
Overall the PSP is WWWAAAYYY better then the DS.
DS= 3/10
PSP=50/10
Naked-Snake
DS is a significantly better system. I have a DVD player, MP3 player, and a computer with internet as do many if not most people. So essentially you are paying more for a system with less good games.
BLARGcurp11
I had originally written up a lengthy reply to your reply of my reply.... but i have been trying to learn to be less verbose, so lets try to get to what matters most.
Is this statement true?
PS2 > Xbox
Did you prefer the playstation or playstation 2 to any of its counterparts.. were they better systems. Please do reply, as much detail would be nice.. i want to know what you thought of the past 2 gens.'
[QUOTE="Naked-Snake"]Everytime i run out of DS's, i buy three, glue them together, and use them as toilet paper. PSP is the best system there is. who agrees with me.
PSP: psp is a ps2, ipod, a dvd player, and computer, internet, and everything else put togenter.
DS: has silly and childish graphics from Snes and atari, also has two screens for bait.
Overall the PSP is WWWAAAYYY better then the DS.
DS= 3/10
PSP=50/10
MrDziekuje
DS is a significantly better system. I have a DVD player, MP3 player, and a computer with internet as do many if not most people. So essentially you are paying more for a system with less good games.
uhuh but can your ds make toast? I don't think so. I also heard that Saddam Hussuen bought 50 psp's to build a psp army to take over the world. yup its true because the psp is so powerful. Back to reality who cares. if you want a handheld with all the gadets like watching movies and what not get the psp you want games and thats it get the ds. /thread
Here's what I think:I agree very much with this post, but you forgot to mention a couple of small things the PSP could do to boost it's capabilities. Since devs are obviously worried about the system, they rarely take advantage of a lot of its abilities. MGS: PO made full use of the WiFi and GPS (if you have it) and GTA: LCS allowed for custom soundtracks to be used. I have no doubts that a voice recognition element could be done with the PSP with the headset. It's very possible that the DS is winning because its using all of its functionality right out of the gate. Sony may be hindering the system by releasing bits and pieces of what it can do over time with the firmware updates. From the beginning till now, they've added a tremendous amount of functionality to the system, but its still not being used entirely. If more devs took advantage of the system and optimized games for it, it could once again become a match for the DS.
Essentially, both systems have excellent potential.
The DS's touch screen feature, dual screens, and microphone can, in the right hands, revolutionize the way handheld games are played. It does have quite a few great games, like New Super Mario Bros., Castlevania, Meteos, and others. However, a lot of developers just throw in touch screen features and call it a day.
The PSP is more straightforward and has greater potential. It's got more features than the DS, potentially drawing in a bigger target audience. As well, it has great graphics, helped even more by it's wide screen. The main problem with the PSP, however (aside from the missing analog stick), is that developers often just transfer hit games to the PSP without taking advantages of the system's niche. If more developers build their games entirely grounf up for the PSP (as Daxter, Syphon Filter, MGS: Portable Ops, and Ratchet & Clank: Size Matters), then the PSP could possibly beat the DS.
All in all, I have to give the slight edge to the PSP. For now.
ninjacat11
Am I Nintendo? No, didn't think so..thats one reason they've disgusted me lately, they are trying to appeal more to non-gamers than to gamers and because of that you get a multitude of non-games and the real games of their systems are mostly inferior to ones found elsewhere. ehh.. the topic is about PSP and DS, not about you. You are relativly insignificant in this context..[QUOTE="danneswegman"] they are (a necessary demographic) in Nintendo's eyes.
[QUOTE="curp11"][QUOTE="danneswegman"][QUOTE="curp11"][QUOTE="Keyboard_"][QUOTE="curp11"][QUOTE="Grodus5"]Looks like PSP is gonna die this year.
Diamond/Peral+Phantom Hourglass= Atomic Bomb
danneswegman
Its the contrary, with the PSP killing the DS
Haw the hell can Psp die, when Manhunt and Silent Hill and lots are coming this year????????/
DS can't handle the big blockbusters like MGS, GTA, Silent Hill.......DS has only rely on kiddy,mostly 2d games like the GBA
Devs have tried to bring those blockbusters like Resident Evil and Burnout........and see the results
If DS can't attract the hardcore gamers, it will die and not the Psp
Good idea , go release more manly , mature games for the DS , then the PSP will die , why? It's the Uber Hardcore MATURE BLOCKBUSTERS , WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO. Haw haw.the problem is that the Uber Hardcore MATURE BLOCKBUSTERS will be in either outdated 2d or crappy 64bit pixelated 3d...........and u think this will kill the PSP????????????? NO WAY
ha, ha.. uber hardcore mature blockbusters... someone needs some growing up to do. maybe you'll even grow some self esteem.O_o i see u don't know about MGS, or TEKKEN(not mature but huge hit) or silent hill or mortal kombat
wait.........Nintendog is an ultra violent game ,right, with carnivorous doggies ............that's why games like Manhunt will scare the hell out of kiddies like u
ha, ha.. even better... yes, you are a really mature person... you don't even get my point.if you were mature you would know that a game doenst have to be violent to be mature, (brain training, even my mom plays that) and nintendogs is a pet simulator, its not meant to be violent. its the most realistic thing to a real dog. and OMG sony has copied that too!
Again you accepted the fact that Mario, Pokemon, Donkey Kong, Kirby are considered kiddy by most gamers, but you stated that Zelda, StarFox, metroid are targeted towards the mature audience, just because in those games, you go on shooting enemy spacecraft, running in dark dungeons and shoot “things” that appear suddenly. According to you these kinds of things are scary and violent. Then I must say, huh, you are one very stupid boy. Yet, the “suspense” in those games is mainly dispersed by old, grainy graphics on par with the N64.I'm going to make my replies short. Because talking to you is like talking to a brick wall, and you act as dumb too.Why did you not mention Resident Evil but did talk about these supposedly “not kiddy” games.? In either way, I would have made your arguments laughable. So, let’s go with resident evil, shall we? And that time, when Resident evil launched on the psx, it was known as the king of horror games and it was targeted to be a mature game. Why? Because at that time, the ps2 or xbox or the next generation consoles were not out to forge the best horror game with gory visuals and innovative gameplay to dethrone resident evil. So, mediocre visuals were impressive at that time because they were the best. Approximately 10 yrs have passed, the same resident evil is ported on the DS with only new minimal features such as featuring 2 playable characters and different modes. The visuals have not only remained the same, but have been worsened to become grainy and washed out. From here I will go straight to the point; raising the question, “Is Resident Evil for the DS aimed towards a mature or non-mature audience?”
Sure, it was mature on psx but is it the case on DS? The answer is “not targeted towards a mature audience” or simply No. Who on earth would be scared out of his pants by big pixels when elsewhere he can easily be struck out of nowhere by realistic behaviors and physique of zombies and other nightmarish creatures? Perhaps, you are. Adults do not want scary games with pixelated monsters.
“Saying hardcore gamers are closed minded people who only like this game, or that game because it has pretty graphics and has a brand name on the side of it (in this case "Sony").”
It’s your statement, isn’t it? Well, here’s someone that don’t know how to read but keeps on rambling. Wait, I’ll simplify what I said, for you can’t understand. I said that hardcore gamers like a game because of its graphical beauty + its innovative gameplay. Go think about it.
“Graphics doesn't make the game”, Don’t be silly. This was true in the 8-bit or 16-bit era. But now, this silly statement does not even exist. Sure, go play GOW or GeOW in 2d or would you be foolish to think that Tekken Dark Resurrection would score the same 9.2 if it was in 2d. Well saying that graphics do not make a game reveals that you are a genuine fanboy. Graphics give an image of the game. The very first thing you see, when you pop in and start a game is its graphics. And many many people, nowadays, when they start a game and immediately see that the graphics are mediocre, they get a poor impression of the game and eventually they dish it out.
Whether it is illegal or not, psp can play all the games of these mentioned consoles and even more
curp11
I can see a 7 year old playing a Mario game (that doesn't mean only 7 year olds play Mario, adults play Mario games as well). I can't picture a 7 year old playing Metroid. Get the point?
Why didn't I list Resident Evil? Well because I'm not stupid enough to list RE. Do you know why I'm not stupid enough to list RE? Because Resident Evil is made by Capcom, not made my Nintendo. Capcom is Third Party, not First and Second Party as the games I listed up there (go back and read my list, all of them are First or Second Party).
And since you're so fond of graphics. How about you take a good long look at this pic.
Yes, that is my statement, because it's true (unlike your monkey brain one). And my reading is just fine, but thanks anyway. And I also think you have no probs with reading, but you possessing things is a different story. And I'll try to make this as flat out simple as I can (if you can't understand it then you likely never will).
You aren't a hardcore gamer, you're a fanboy. There is a difference in the two. Hardcore gamers are open to more then one system (example, owning both a PSP and a DS) and can see differences in the two. Fanboys see only a brand name and will blindly follow that brand, and bashing other systems along the way.
I like how you think curp. Ok, I just want to get the flat out facts of what you're saying. What you're saying is, if it has bad graphics then it means people won't play the game? They will turn the game on, look at the screen and go "Eww" and turn it off or rarely play it? And as you've stated the DS has bad graphics. Now that that's all out of the way.
This is from Wiki
"Total Nintendo DS games sold (as of 2006): 154.23 million", 18 DS games breaking 1 Million total sells.
"Total PlayStation Portable games shipped (as of 2006): 47.3 million units", 1 PSP game breaking 1 Million sells.
So, going by your reasoning because the DS graphics sucks looks like it should have far less sells (or at least below the number of PSP game sells).
And this is my final point for this post (and if I'm right, it should be enough to end all this).
curp, how many DS games do you own?
If the ds is so great gamewise, then why is the psp beating the ds as far as great games go according to ign and gamespot?? Why does the psp have a better imo future lineup? The psp is def winning gamewise this year, and you people like to make the psp sound like a failure but in terms of sales its actually a success. Its the best competition nintendo has ever had handheld wise and it costs 70 bucks more, and depending on a memory card it could be anywhere from 100-150 dollars more! Now if the psp was 130 bucks i believe the sales would be alot closer, but because ever 10 year old has one its automatically better? C'mon guys.........BTW i own a ds and think its good, but id rather lay down and play mgs or daxter or tekken then play mario.............but thats just me, everyone has there own tastes.....
well let's see gamespot can't really be trusted with nintendo stuff they gave zelda an 8.8 and also ds is better case closed.If the ds is so great gamewise, then why is the psp beating the ds as far as great games go according to ign and gamespot?? Why does the psp have a better imo future lineup? The psp is def winning gamewise this year, and you people like to make the psp sound like a failure but in terms of sales its actually a success. Its the best competition nintendo has ever had handheld wise and it costs 70 bucks more, and depending on a memory card it could be anywhere from 100-150 dollars more! Now if the psp was 130 bucks i believe the sales would be alot closer, but because ever 10 year old has one its automatically better? C'mon guys.........BTW i own a ds and think its good, but id rather lay down and play mgs or daxter or tekken then play mario.............but thats just me, everyone has there own tastes.....
Bren128
Am I Nintendo? No, didn't think so..thats one reason they've disgusted me lately, they are trying to appeal more to non-gamers than to gamers and because of that you get a multitude of non-games and the real games of their systems are mostly inferior to ones found elsewhere. danneswegman
The fact that ports are inferior on the DS is not nintendo's fault, since they did not develop said game. The "real" games on the DS are amazing. Phoenix wright, trauma center, castlevania, mario, mario kart, metroid, starfox, advance wars DS, yoshi's island, final fantasy 3, etc
Nintendo is trying to appeal to non gamers, yes.. but they are also trying to support their hardcore crowd. No less then they have in the past at least.
Not all games ported to nintendo's ds or wii are inferior though; madden is a good exception for the wii.
ehh No, as a gamer the preferrences are all about you..if you consider yourself a gamer, why would you want to support a system which is designed predominantly for non-gamers?Runningflame570
Are you saying that a gamer shouldn't support the DS? I would hope i misunderstand, because that seems very close minded. The DS may have a good amount of casual games(mainly the touch generation) and games designed for little kids(barbie games and spongebob crap); but that comes along with any great system. The SNES had that crap, and so did the PS2. The DS does in fact have a great amount of games for gamers that should not be passed up. Such as hotel dusk, among others that i named above. It will also be getting final fantasy 12 spin off and the next dragon quest. We should support the DS because it offers fun games and can be innovative in the right hands(or at least fun as hell.. personally, i felt the controls in starfox were unbelievably good and fun).
I have a DS. GO NINTENDO GO!!!
welll idk im in the middle
the DS has two screens
the PSP hasa bigger screen
the DS has wifi
the PSP has wifi
the PSP has expandable memory for music/fotos/games/videos
the DS games take up such little space that they dont need ne memory
the DS has stereo speakers
the PSP hasa web browser from day 1
the DS now hasa web browser
the PSP has usb
the DS has nintedo wifi
lik the list jus goes on and on idk im the middle im gona a DS eventualy gota PSP now
[QUOTE="Runningflame570"] Am I Nintendo? No, didn't think so..thats one reason they've disgusted me lately, they are trying to appeal more to non-gamers than to gamers and because of that you get a multitude of non-games and the real games of their systems are mostly inferior to ones found elsewhere. blahzor
The fact that ports are inferior on the DS is not nintendo's fault, since they did not develop said game. The "real" games on the DS are amazing. Phoenix wright, trauma center, castlevania, mario, mario kart, metroid, starfox, advance wars DS, yoshi's island, final fantasy 3, etc
Nintendo is trying to appeal to non gamers, yes.. but they are also trying to support their hardcore crowd. No less then they have in the past at least.
Not all games ported to nintendo's ds or wii are inferior though; madden is a good exception for the wii.
Coincidentally enough..virtually all first-party, when Nintendo actually supplies third-parties with all the necessary tools and quits going fullsteam ahead with their first-parties maybe I would begin to support them again, but they are instead accelerating that release schedule as quickly as possible and frankly theres only so many of their first-party titles that I can take...ehh No, as a gamer the preferrences are all about you..if you consider yourself a gamer, why would you want to support a system which is designed predominantly for non-gamers?Runningflame570
Are you saying that a gamer shouldn't support the DS? I would hope i misunderstand, because that seems very close minded. The DS may have a good amount of casual games(mainly the touch generation) and games designed for little kids(barbie games and spongebob crap); but that comes along with any great system. The SNES had that crap, and so did the PS2. The DS does in fact have a great amount of games for gamers that should not be passed up. Such as hotel dusk, among others that i named above. It will also be getting final fantasy 12 spin off and the next dragon quest. We should support the DS because it offers fun games and can be innovative in the right hands(or at least fun as hell.. personally, i felt the controls in starfox were unbelievably good and fun).blahzorThe SNES and PS2 weren't designed for non-gamers..when they tried to make games for that demographic (such as those by The Software Toolworks) they flopped horribly, from the N64 onward Nintendo has been moving further and further away from the older genres..I want SHMUP support, when was the last time one of those showed up on a Nintendo system, Ikaruga? They also have no support for 2D/3D fighters and mostly mediocre racing titles..I might actually be okay with all that if Nintendo hadn't monopolized the handheld market for the last 15+ years and marginally upgraded their systems all along the way (GB, GBP, GBL, GBC, GBA, GBA SP, GB Micro, NDS, NDSL) and if the real games for the system actually sold more..the best-selling titles are games like Brainage, Nintendogs, and Pokemon which have ALWAYS been casual or non-gamer titles. Thats not a group I want to associate myself with.
not predominantly, but including.No, as a gamer the preferrences are all about you..if you consider yourself a gamer, why would you want to support a system which is designed predominantly for non-gamers?
Everytime i run out of DS's, i buy three, glue them together, and use them as toilet paper. PSP is the best system there is. who agrees with me.From the looks of it, you might be wrong there. xD
PSP: psp is a ps2, ipod, a dvd player, and computer, internet, and everything else put togenter.
DS: has silly and childish graphics from Snes and atari, also has two screens for bait.
Overall the PSP is WWWAAAYYY better then the DS.
DS= 3/10
PSP=50/10
Naked-Snake
im just trying to shwo people how to do the right thing and get a psp, ull have much more fun, and it has much more lasting value.Naked-Snake
All my friends had PSPs, and I had a DS. Only the hardcore gamer has his PSP; everyone else sold them on eBay. My DS was stolen, someone wanted it so much.
[QUOTE="curp11"]BLARGblahzor
I had originally written up a lengthy reply to your reply of my reply.... but i have been trying to learn to be less verbose, so lets try to get to what matters most.
Is this statement true?
PS2 > Xbox
Did you prefer the playstation or playstation 2 to any of its counterparts.. were they better systems. Please do reply, as much detail would be nice.. i want to know what you thought of the past 2 gens.'
Yes, the psx killed the N64. It was better because:
1. PSX was using cd which has more media space and was cheaper to manufacture that the old cartridge.
2. The big titles were making their way on the psx. Yes, MGS,GT, Tekken, Silent Hill etc. All these were coming to build up the reputation around Sony’s first console.
3. Sony knew how to attract people to the psx, by spending colossal amounts of money in building campaigns to make people get a taste of their system. That does not mean that psx was better but it was a strategy used to break through the gaming market, long dominated by Nintendo.
Now, let’s consider the PS2. Yes, again the ps2 was the winner by killing the Dreamcast. This was merely because Sega had not enough funds to make the Dreamcast hold up against competition.
And again, PS2 killed the Xbox. Why? Because, it had an advance on the Xbox, and by the time the xbox launched, almost all the major games were already released on the ps2. Sony knew how to counter the launch of the xbox. But more importantly why the PS2 was winning the battle was because the big franchises were to make their way on the ps2. MGS, Tekken, GT, Resident Evil, GOW, FF, all these were out to assure the success of the ps2. Sure the xbox had halo, ninja gaiden, Chronicles of Riddick, but these were not enough to save the xbox. And to this present day the ps2 is still selling strong due to a larger user fanbase and impressive games are still coming out(GOW2, Burnout Dominator, Manhunt, Pursuit Force 2). And what has happened to the xbox now? Everybody knows the answer
[QUOTE="curp11"]Again you accepted the fact that Mario, Pokemon, Donkey Kong, Kirby are considered kiddy by most gamers, but you stated that Zelda, StarFox, metroid are targeted towards the mature audience, just because in those games, you go on shooting enemy spacecraft, running in dark dungeons and shoot “things” that appear suddenly. According to you these kinds of things are scary and violent. Then I must say, huh, you are one very stupid boy. Yet, the “suspense” in those games is mainly dispersed by old, grainy graphics on par with the N64.I'm going to make my replies short. Because talking to you is like talking to a brick wall, and you act as dumb too.Why did you not mention Resident Evil but did talk about these supposedly “not kiddy” games.? In either way, I would have made your arguments laughable. So, let’s go with resident evil, shall we? And that time, when Resident evil launched on the psx, it was known as the king of horror games and it was targeted to be a mature game. Why? Because at that time, the ps2 or xbox or the next generation consoles were not out to forge the best horror game with gory visuals and innovative gameplay to dethrone resident evil. So, mediocre visuals were impressive at that time because they were the best. Approximately 10 yrs have passed, the same resident evil is ported on the DS with only new minimal features such as featuring 2 playable characters and different modes. The visuals have not only remained the same, but have been worsened to become grainy and washed out. From here I will go straight to the point; raising the question, “Is Resident Evil for the DS aimed towards a mature or non-mature audience?”
Sure, it was mature on psx but is it the case on DS? The answer is “not targeted towards a mature audience” or simply No. Who on earth would be scared out of his pants by big pixels when elsewhere he can easily be struck out of nowhere by realistic behaviors and physique of zombies and other nightmarish creatures? Perhaps, you are. Adults do not want scary games with pixelated monsters.
“Saying hardcore gamers are closed minded people who only like this game, or that game because it has pretty graphics and has a brand name on the side of it (in this case "Sony").”
It’s your statement, isn’t it? Well, here’s someone that don’t know how to read but keeps on rambling. Wait, I’ll simplify what I said, for you can’t understand. I said that hardcore gamers like a game because of its graphical beauty + its innovative gameplay. Go think about it.
“Graphics doesn't make the game”, Don’t be silly. This was true in the 8-bit or 16-bit era. But now, this silly statement does not even exist. Sure, go play GOW or GeOW in 2d or would you be foolish to think that Tekken Dark Resurrection would score the same 9.2 if it was in 2d. Well saying that graphics do not make a game reveals that you are a genuine fanboy. Graphics give an image of the game. The very first thing you see, when you pop in and start a game is its graphics. And many many people, nowadays, when they start a game and immediately see that the graphics are mediocre, they get a poor impression of the game and eventually they dish it out.
Whether it is illegal or not, psp can play all the games of these mentioned consoles and even more
Arcanine_88
I can see a 7 year old playing a Mario game (that doesn't mean only 7 year olds play Mario, adults play Mario games as well). I can't picture a 7 year old playing Metroid. Get the point?
Why didn't I list Resident Evil? Well because I'm not stupid enough to list RE. Do you know why I'm not stupid enough to list RE? Because Resident Evil is made by Capcom, not made my Nintendo. Capcom is Third Party, not First and Second Party as the games I listed up there (go back and read my list, all of them are First or Second Party).
And since you're so fond of graphics. How about you take a good long look at this pic.
Yes, that is my statement, because it's true (unlike your monkey brain one). And my reading is just fine, but thanks anyway. And I also think you have no probs with reading, but you possessing things is a different story. And I'll try to make this as flat out simple as I can (if you can't understand it then you likely never will).
You aren't a hardcore gamer, you're a fanboy. There is a difference in the two. Hardcore gamers are open to more then one system (example, owning both a PSP and a DS) and can see differences in the two. Fanboys see only a brand name and will blindly follow that brand, and bashing other systems along the way.
I like how you think curp. Ok, I just want to get the flat out facts of what you're saying. What you're saying is, if it has bad graphics then it means people won't play the game? They will turn the game on, look at the screen and go "Eww" and turn it off or rarely play it? And as you've stated the DS has bad graphics. Now that that's all out of the way.
This is from Wiki
"Total Nintendo DS games sold (as of 2006): 154.23 million", 18 DS games breaking 1 Million total sells.
"Total PlayStation Portable games shipped (as of 2006): 47.3 million units", 1 PSP game breaking 1 Million sells.
So, going by your reasoning because the DS graphics sucks looks like it should have far less sells (or at least below the number of PSP game sells).
And this is my final point for this post (and if I'm right, it should be enough to end all this).
curp, how many DS games do you own?
oh, you must really be a fool to think that only a 7yr old is a kid. Can’t a kid be considered 10yr old? Then, you must really be blind for, you can’t picture a 10yr old kid playing Metroid. And about Resident Evil. We’re talking about it being mature or non-mature and not about it being 1st or 3rd party. pfff. I won’t waste my time to elaborate on this as I have already do so. About that pic, is that a DS game? Then you must really be blind for you can’t distinguish between in-game captures and real-time movies or cutscenes. I must say that until now, you’ve been fooled by real-time movies.
Yes, your statement is false. And I say it again; hardcore gamers prefer graphical beauty + innovative gameplay. Also, I can say that you cannot oppose this argument as you ignored it and found a way to run from it by talking about brand names and other things which are out of subject. Next time, I would recommend you to train your monkey brain with that 2d brainage to find a way to provide a correct solid argument.
And, 'graphics doesn't make the game”, Don’t be silly. This was true in the 8-bit or 16-bit era. But now, this silly statement does not even exist. Sure, go play GOW or GeOW in 2d or would you be foolish to think that Tekken Dark Resurrection would score the same 9.2 if it was in 2d. Well saying that graphics do not make a game reveals that you are a genuine fanboy. Graphics give an image of the game. The very first thing you see, when you pop in and start a game is its graphics. And many many people, nowadays, when they start a game and immediately see that the graphics are mediocre, they get a poor impression of the game and eventually they dish it out'
That statement is true, Note that I said “many many people” and not “all people” will dish out the game. By the way why did you post about the number of DS and PSP games sold? Yes, more DS games have been sold. Why? Because, more kids and the female audience are attracted towards DS and more importantly because some people want to go retro, And RETRO GAMING is the motto of Nintendo systems: Mario, Zelda, Pokemon, Metroid, you name it. On PSP, you can play all those retro games of old-school consoles and that, freely. Tell me who would be so so much stupid to buy Best Of Genesis or Best of Namco UMDs….the list goes on.
Everytime i run out of DS's, i buy three, glue them together, and use them as toilet paper. PSP is the best system there is. who agrees with me.
PSP: psp is a ps2, ipod, a dvd player, and computer, internet, and everything else put togenter.
DS: has silly and childish graphics from Snes and atari, also has two screens for bait.
Overall the PSP is WWWAAAYYY better then the DS.
DS= 3/10
PSP=50/10
Naked-Snake
this a joke :lol: thats why DS its outselling psp every month, poor cow..
[QUOTE="Naked-Snake"]Everytime i run out of DS's, i buy three, glue them together, and use them as toilet paper. PSP is the best system there is. who agrees with me.
PSP: psp is a ps2, ipod, a dvd player, and computer, internet, and everything else put togenter.
DS: has silly and childish graphics from Snes and atari, also has two screens for bait.
Overall the PSP is WWWAAAYYY better then the DS.
DS= 3/10
PSP=50/10
venture00
this a joke :lol: thats why DS its outselling psp every month, poor cow..
Read the post above to understand why Ds is selling more. Naked_snake defending the psp does not mean that he is a sony fanboy
'DS: has silly and childish graphics from Snes and atari'
Now how would you defend from his argument above?
But I do have to say, when I'm in the train to school and I see someone playing their DS I'm just like :|
It looks so... nerdy.
PSP has the better multimedia functionality and the better games. Ds has 5 AAA and 19 AA. The PSP has 5 AAA and 47 AA. ATG1
The DS has 7 AAAs
http://www.gamespot.com/games.html?platform=1026&category=&date_filter=all&type=top_rated&mode=top&sort=score&sortdir=asc
[QUOTE="ATG1"]PSP has the better multimedia functionality and the better games. Ds has 5 AAA and 19 AA. The PSP has 5 AAA and 47 AA. shaggygrosser
The DS has 7 AAAs
http://www.gamespot.com/games.html?platform=1026&category=&date_filter=all&type=top_rated&mode=top&sort=score&sortdir=asc
I was waiting for this, I don't actually know too much about Nintendogs but they seem to be the same except for the breed of dog, so I counted it as one. Still though, even if we have to say 7, the sheer number of AA titles that the PSP has over the DS makes up for it.
[QUOTE="Arcanine_88"][QUOTE="curp11"]Again you accepted the fact that Mario, Pokemon, Donkey Kong, Kirby are considered kiddy by most gamers, but you stated that Zelda, StarFox, metroid are targeted towards the mature audience, just because in those games, you go on shooting enemy spacecraft, running in dark dungeons and shoot “things” that appear suddenly. According to you these kinds of things are scary and violent. Then I must say, huh, you are one very stupid boy. Yet, the “suspense” in those games is mainly dispersed by old, grainy graphics on par with the N64.I'm going to make my replies short. Because talking to you is like talking to a brick wall, and you act as dumb too.Why did you not mention Resident Evil but did talk about these supposedly “not kiddy” games.? In either way, I would have made your arguments laughable. So, let’s go with resident evil, shall we? And that time, when Resident evil launched on the psx, it was known as the king of horror games and it was targeted to be a mature game. Why? Because at that time, the ps2 or xbox or the next generation consoles were not out to forge the best horror game with gory visuals and innovative gameplay to dethrone resident evil. So, mediocre visuals were impressive at that time because they were the best. Approximately 10 yrs have passed, the same resident evil is ported on the DS with only new minimal features such as featuring 2 playable characters and different modes. The visuals have not only remained the same, but have been worsened to become grainy and washed out. From here I will go straight to the point; raising the question, “Is Resident Evil for the DS aimed towards a mature or non-mature audience?”
Sure, it was mature on psx but is it the case on DS? The answer is “not targeted towards a mature audience” or simply No. Who on earth would be scared out of his pants by big pixels when elsewhere he can easily be struck out of nowhere by realistic behaviors and physique of zombies and other nightmarish creatures? Perhaps, you are. Adults do not want scary games with pixelated monsters.
“Saying hardcore gamers are closed minded people who only like this game, or that game because it has pretty graphics and has a brand name on the side of it (in this case "Sony").”
It’s your statement, isn’t it? Well, here’s someone that don’t know how to read but keeps on rambling. Wait, I’ll simplify what I said, for you can’t understand. I said that hardcore gamers like a game because of its graphical beauty + its innovative gameplay. Go think about it.
“Graphics doesn't make the game”, Don’t be silly. This was true in the 8-bit or 16-bit era. But now, this silly statement does not even exist. Sure, go play GOW or GeOW in 2d or would you be foolish to think that Tekken Dark Resurrection would score the same 9.2 if it was in 2d. Well saying that graphics do not make a game reveals that you are a genuine fanboy. Graphics give an image of the game. The very first thing you see, when you pop in and start a game is its graphics. And many many people, nowadays, when they start a game and immediately see that the graphics are mediocre, they get a poor impression of the game and eventually they dish it out.
Whether it is illegal or not, psp can play all the games of these mentioned consoles and even more
curp11
I can see a 7 year old playing a Mario game (that doesn't mean only 7 year olds play Mario, adults play Mario games as well). I can't picture a 7 year old playing Metroid. Get the point?
Why didn't I list Resident Evil? Well because I'm not stupid enough to list RE. Do you know why I'm not stupid enough to list RE? Because Resident Evil is made by Capcom, not made my Nintendo. Capcom is Third Party, not First and Second Party as the games I listed up there (go back and read my list, all of them are First or Second Party).
And since you're so fond of graphics. How about you take a good long look at this pic.
Yes, that is my statement, because it's true (unlike your monkey brain one). And my reading is just fine, but thanks anyway. And I also think you have no probs with reading, but you possessing things is a different story. And I'll try to make this as flat out simple as I can (if you can't understand it then you likely never will).
You aren't a hardcore gamer, you're a fanboy. There is a difference in the two. Hardcore gamers are open to more then one system (example, owning both a PSP and a DS) and can see differences in the two. Fanboys see only a brand name and will blindly follow that brand, and bashing other systems along the way.
I like how you think curp. Ok, I just want to get the flat out facts of what you're saying. What you're saying is, if it has bad graphics then it means people won't play the game? They will turn the game on, look at the screen and go "Eww" and turn it off or rarely play it? And as you've stated the DS has bad graphics. Now that that's all out of the way.
This is from Wiki
"Total Nintendo DS games sold (as of 2006): 154.23 million", 18 DS games breaking 1 Million total sells.
"Total PlayStation Portable games shipped (as of 2006): 47.3 million units", 1 PSP game breaking 1 Million sells.
So, going by your reasoning because the DS graphics sucks looks like it should have far less sells (or at least below the number of PSP game sells).
And this is my final point for this post (and if I'm right, it should be enough to end all this).
curp, how many DS games do you own?
oh, you must really be a fool to think that only a 7yr old is a kid. Can’t a kid be considered 10yr old? Then, you must really be blind for, you can’t picture a 10yr old kid playing Metroid. And about Resident Evil. We’re talking about it being mature or non-mature and not about it being 1st or 3rd party. pfff. I won’t waste my time to elaborate on this as I have already do so. About that pic, is that a DS game? Then you must really be blind for you can’t distinguish between in-game captures and real-time movies or cutscenes. I must say that until now, you’ve been fooled by real-time movies.
Yes, your statement is false. And I say it again; hardcore gamers prefer graphical beauty + innovative gameplay. Also, I can say that you cannot oppose this argument as you ignored it and found a way to run from it by talking about brand names and other things which are out of subject. Next time, I would recommend you to train your monkey brain with that 2d brainage to find a way to provide a correct solid argument.
And, 'graphics doesn't make the game”, Don’t be silly. This was true in the 8-bit or 16-bit era. But now, this silly statement does not even exist. Sure, go play GOW or GeOW in 2d or would you be foolish to think that Tekken Dark Resurrection would score the same 9.2 if it was in 2d. Well saying that graphics do not make a game reveals that you are a genuine fanboy. Graphics give an image of the game. The very first thing you see, when you pop in and start a game is its graphics. And many many people, nowadays, when they start a game and immediately see that the graphics are mediocre, they get a poor impression of the game and eventually they dish it out'
That statement is true, Note that I said “many many people” and not “all people” will dish out the game. By the way why did you post about the number of DS and PSP games sold? Yes, more DS games have been sold. Why? Because, more kids and the female audience are attracted towards DS and more importantly because some people want to go retro, And RETRO GAMING is the motto of Nintendo systems: Mario, Zelda, Pokemon, Metroid, you name it. On PSP, you can play all those retro games of old-school consoles and that, freely. Tell me who would be so so much stupid to buy Best Of Genesis or Best of Namco UMDs….the list goes on.
Forget it. I know you're a fanboy, everything I say goes in one ear and out the other. Untill you own a DS and a PSP you won't be able to judge the system from an ownership standpoint. I own a DS and a PSP, so when I talk about the PSP I talk from experience as a PSP owner.[QUOTE="curp11"][QUOTE="Arcanine_88"][QUOTE="curp11"]Again you accepted the fact that Mario, Pokemon, Donkey Kong, Kirby are considered kiddy by most gamers, but you stated that Zelda, StarFox, metroid are targeted towards the mature audience, just because in those games, you go on shooting enemy spacecraft, running in dark dungeons and shoot “things” that appear suddenly. According to you these kinds of things are scary and violent. Then I must say, huh, you are one very stupid boy. Yet, the “suspense” in those games is mainly dispersed by old, grainy graphics on par with the N64.I'm going to make my replies short. Because talking to you is like talking to a brick wall, and you act as dumb too.Why did you not mention Resident Evil but did talk about these supposedly “not kiddy” games.? In either way, I would have made your arguments laughable. So, let’s go with resident evil, shall we? And that time, when Resident evil launched on the psx, it was known as the king of horror games and it was targeted to be a mature game. Why? Because at that time, the ps2 or xbox or the next generation consoles were not out to forge the best horror game with gory visuals and innovative gameplay to dethrone resident evil. So, mediocre visuals were impressive at that time because they were the best. Approximately 10 yrs have passed, the same resident evil is ported on the DS with only new minimal features such as featuring 2 playable characters and different modes. The visuals have not only remained the same, but have been worsened to become grainy and washed out. From here I will go straight to the point; raising the question, “Is Resident Evil for the DS aimed towards a mature or non-mature audience?”
Sure, it was mature on psx but is it the case on DS? The answer is “not targeted towards a mature audience” or simply No. Who on earth would be scared out of his pants by big pixels when elsewhere he can easily be struck out of nowhere by realistic behaviors and physique of zombies and other nightmarish creatures? Perhaps, you are. Adults do not want scary games with pixelated monsters.
“Saying hardcore gamers are closed minded people who only like this game, or that game because it has pretty graphics and has a brand name on the side of it (in this case "Sony").”
It’s your statement, isn’t it? Well, here’s someone that don’t know how to read but keeps on rambling. Wait, I’ll simplify what I said, for you can’t understand. I said that hardcore gamers like a game because of its graphical beauty + its innovative gameplay. Go think about it.
“Graphics doesn't make the game”, Don’t be silly. This was true in the 8-bit or 16-bit era. But now, this silly statement does not even exist. Sure, go play GOW or GeOW in 2d or would you be foolish to think that Tekken Dark Resurrection would score the same 9.2 if it was in 2d. Well saying that graphics do not make a game reveals that you are a genuine fanboy. Graphics give an image of the game. The very first thing you see, when you pop in and start a game is its graphics. And many many people, nowadays, when they start a game and immediately see that the graphics are mediocre, they get a poor impression of the game and eventually they dish it out.
Whether it is illegal or not, psp can play all the games of these mentioned consoles and even more
Arcanine_88
I can see a 7 year old playing a Mario game (that doesn't mean only 7 year olds play Mario, adults play Mario games as well). I can't picture a 7 year old playing Metroid. Get the point?
Why didn't I list Resident Evil? Well because I'm not stupid enough to list RE. Do you know why I'm not stupid enough to list RE? Because Resident Evil is made by Capcom, not made my Nintendo. Capcom is Third Party, not First and Second Party as the games I listed up there (go back and read my list, all of them are First or Second Party).
And since you're so fond of graphics. How about you take a good long look at this pic.
Yes, that is my statement, because it's true (unlike your monkey brain one). And my reading is just fine, but thanks anyway. And I also think you have no probs with reading, but you possessing things is a different story. And I'll try to make this as flat out simple as I can (if you can't understand it then you likely never will).
You aren't a hardcore gamer, you're a fanboy. There is a difference in the two. Hardcore gamers are open to more then one system (example, owning both a PSP and a DS) and can see differences in the two. Fanboys see only a brand name and will blindly follow that brand, and bashing other systems along the way.
I like how you think curp. Ok, I just want to get the flat out facts of what you're saying. What you're saying is, if it has bad graphics then it means people won't play the game? They will turn the game on, look at the screen and go "Eww" and turn it off or rarely play it? And as you've stated the DS has bad graphics. Now that that's all out of the way.
This is from Wiki
"Total Nintendo DS games sold (as of 2006): 154.23 million", 18 DS games breaking 1 Million total sells.
"Total PlayStation Portable games shipped (as of 2006): 47.3 million units", 1 PSP game breaking 1 Million sells.
So, going by your reasoning because the DS graphics sucks looks like it should have far less sells (or at least below the number of PSP game sells).
And this is my final point for this post (and if I'm right, it should be enough to end all this).
curp, how many DS games do you own?
oh, you must really be a fool to think that only a 7yr old is a kid. Can’t a kid be considered 10yr old? Then, you must really be blind for, you can’t picture a 10yr old kid playing Metroid. And about Resident Evil. We’re talking about it being mature or non-mature and not about it being 1st or 3rd party. pfff. I won’t waste my time to elaborate on this as I have already do so. About that pic, is that a DS game? Then you must really be blind for you can’t distinguish between in-game captures and real-time movies or cutscenes. I must say that until now, you’ve been fooled by real-time movies.
Yes, your statement is false. And I say it again; hardcore gamers prefer graphical beauty + innovative gameplay. Also, I can say that you cannot oppose this argument as you ignored it and found a way to run from it by talking about brand names and other things which are out of subject. Next time, I would recommend you to train your monkey brain with that 2d brainage to find a way to provide a correct solid argument.
And, 'graphics doesn't make the game”, Don’t be silly. This was true in the 8-bit or 16-bit era. But now, this silly statement does not even exist. Sure, go play GOW or GeOW in 2d or would you be foolish to think that Tekken Dark Resurrection would score the same 9.2 if it was in 2d. Well saying that graphics do not make a game reveals that you are a genuine fanboy. Graphics give an image of the game. The very first thing you see, when you pop in and start a game is its graphics. And many many people, nowadays, when they start a game and immediately see that the graphics are mediocre, they get a poor impression of the game and eventually they dish it out'
That statement is true, Note that I said “many many people” and not “all people” will dish out the game. By the way why did you post about the number of DS and PSP games sold? Yes, more DS games have been sold. Why? Because, more kids and the female audience are attracted towards DS and more importantly because some people want to go retro, And RETRO GAMING is the motto of Nintendo systems: Mario, Zelda, Pokemon, Metroid, you name it. On PSP, you can play all those retro games of old-school consoles and that, freely. Tell me who would be so so much stupid to buy Best Of Genesis or Best of Namco UMDs….the list goes on.
Forget it. I know you're a fanboy, everything I say goes in one ear and out the other. Untill you own a DS and a PSP you won't be able to judge the system from an ownership standpoint. I own a DS and a PSP, so when I talk about the PSP I talk from experience as a PSP owner.I would not own a DS even if I was the richest man in the world. Someone in this thread pointed out that a DS is for non-gamers. I agree with that. And I'm a gamer, so no DS, Yes, Brainage, Nintendogs are meant for non-gamers, that's why the Ds games are sellimg well. And also because retro gaming as I said before. The rest of the DS games are mostly Mario, Metroid, Zelda, Pokemon etc, that is retro games. So the the final conclusion why DS games are selling more is because NON- GAMING and RETRO GAMING..
Spell Check?:|...welll idk im in the middle
the DS has two screens
the PSP hasa bigger screen
the DS has wifi
the PSP has wifi
the PSP has expandable memory for music/fotos/games/videos
the DS games take up such little space that they dont need ne memory
the DS has stereo speakers
the PSP hasa web browser from day 1
the DS now hasa web browser
the PSP has usb
the DS has nintedo wifi
lik the list jus goes on and on idk im the middle im gona a DS eventualy gota PSP now
04JETTA
Nope...five. We can reasonably condense the Nintendogs titles into one as they are the same game aside from breed, thats like counting all the different dual-releases of Pokemon as seperate games, though in that case it would actually be more justified because theres more difference than in the case of Nintendogs. I'm being generous and not condensing it further to disclude that AA Nintendog's game (which is once again, the same game).
The DS has 7 AAAs
http://www.gamespot.com/games.html?platform=1026&category=&date_filter=all&type=top_rated&mode=top&sort=score&sortdir=asc
shaggygrosser
I'm getting a PSP to chill out when I'm bored. Watch a movie or something. Not specifically for the games. That's why I want one.casuals worry about how they look. gamers worry about whether what they're playing is worth their time or not. DS games > PSP games. but it's not like you're interested in PSP games anyway.
But I do have to say, when I'm in the train to school and I see someone playing their DS I'm just like :|
It looks so... nerdy.
FearlessSpirit
I own Feel the Magic, Super Mario 64, Nintendogs, Warioware: Touched, Mariokart, Brain Age, and Super Mario Bros. for the DS. I only still play Mario Kart. The rest got old within 1-3 weeks.
I own Monster Hunter, Wipeout, Lumines, Metal Gear Solid: Portable Ops, Virtua Tennis, Me & My Katamari, and Metal Gear: Ac!d for PSP. I still play Lumines, MGS, Katamari, and Monster Hunter today. Wipeout and Ac!d lasted me a few months (both purchased on or near launch) and Virtua Tennis lasted me a few weeks.
DS games are fun and all, but most of them get old within weeks. I'm really glad they're only $30 because the games aren't that solid.
PSP offers more solid games overall so that's why it's my favorite of the two, and on top of that the internet browser and video player gets used nearly as often as the games.
[QUOTE="ATG1"]PSP has the better multimedia functionality and the better games. Ds has 5 AAA and 19 AA. The PSP has 5 AAA and 47 AA. shaggygrosser
The DS has 7 AAAs
http://www.gamespot.com/games.html?platform=1026&category=&date_filter=all&type=top_rated&mode=top&sort=score&sortdir=asc
No, only 5 AAA since the 3 Nintendogs are considered 1.
[QUOTE="FearlessSpirit"]I'm getting a PSP to chill out when I'm bored. Watch a movie or something. Not specifically for the games. That's why I want one.casuals worry about how they look. gamers worry about whether what they're playing is worth their time or not. DS games > PSP games. but it's not like you're interested in PSP games anyway. I'm not a casual and I don't like being seen with the gameboyish DS. The PSP however looks sleek and not nerdy at all. Looks matter a lot with handheld electronics. I own both and I have to say PSP games > DS games.
But I do have to say, when I'm in the train to school and I see someone playing their DS I'm just like :|
It looks so... nerdy.
Dreams-Visions
[QUOTE="Naked-Snake"]how come ds is winning, what is so good about it, psp has all the elements on its side except the price and loading time
borgmaster
it's a little something called, whats the word again?? oh yeah, GAMES!
and also price and reliable hardware.
This fact comes from ATG1: PSP has the better games. Ds has 5 AAA and 19 AA. The PSP has 5 AAA and 47 AA.
So, but just saying games, you fail. About the price, the psp's more powerful processor and GPU, functionality and more stylish design justify its extra cost.
And about reliable hardware, is the psp not reliable? Elaborate more on "reliable hardware"
[QUOTE="borgmaster"][QUOTE="Naked-Snake"]how come ds is winning, what is so good about it, psp has all the elements on its side except the price and loading time
curp11
it's a little something called, whats the word again?? oh yeah, GAMES!
and also price and reliable hardware.
This fact comes from ATG1: PSP has the better games. Ds has 5 AAA and 19 AA. The PSP has 5 AAA and 47 AA.
So, but just saying games, you fail. About the price, the psp's more powerful processor and GPU, functionality and more stylish design makes justify its extra cost.
And about reliable hardware, is the psp not reliable? Elaborate more on "reliable hardware"
I think those facts are lies.I own both a DS and a PSP.
I own Feel the Magic, Super Mario 64, Nintendogs, Warioware: Touched, Mariokart, Brain Age, and Super Mario Bros. for the DS. I only still play Mario Kart. The rest got old within 1-3 weeks.
I own Monster Hunter, Wipeout, Lumines, Metal Gear Solid: Portable Ops, Virtua Tennis, Me & My Katamari, and Metal Gear: Ac!d for PSP. I still play Lumines, MGS, Katamari, and Monster Hunter today. Wipeout and Ac!d lasted me a few months (both purchased on or near launch) and Virtua Tennis lasted me a few weeks.
DS games are fun and all, but most of them get old within weeks. I'm really glad they're only $30 because the games aren't that solid.
PSP offers more solid games overall so that's why it's my favorite of the two, and on top of that the internet browser and video player gets used nearly as often as the games.
Skippyj9
I tend to agree with you. I lose interest in my DS games after a couple weeks, whereas my PSP games generally last me 5+ months before I shelve them. I'm still waiting for that DS game that makes me feel that the system was worth the money. I certainly don't hate the DS. I've had every Nintendo handheld, minus the micro. I'm just waiting for that one DS game to make me happy with my purchase. *crosses fingers* So far, I've been let down.
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