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#1 cyprusxx
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People say the ds has better games than the psp, when in-fact if you do the research its actually the other way around here's the results. These game are 8 or above (Greats & Supurbs)


And yes alot of the psp games are ports but does it mater if the developer made the game
for other systems. If its a great game who cares what system it was on first...there are tons of great games that were ported from other consoles.

PSP

Tekken: Dark Resurrection 3D Fighting 9.2

Daxter 3D Platformer 9.1

Burnout Legends Racing 9.0

Lumines Puzzle 9.0

Metal Gear Solid: Portable Ops Modern Action Adventure 9.0

Wipeout Pure Futuristic Racing 8.8

World Soccer Winning Eleven 9 Soccer Sim 8.8

Syphon Filter: Dark Mirror Modern Tactical Shooter 8.8

FIFA 06 Soccer Sim 8.7

SOCOM: U.S. Navy SEALs Fireteam Bravo Modern Tactical Shooter 8.7

Grand Theft Auto: Liberty City Stories Modern Action Adventure 8.6

Sid Meier's Pirates! Historic Real-Time Strategy 8.6

The Show Baseball Sim 8.6

Mega Man Powered Up 2D Platformer 8.5

WWE SmackDown! vs. RAW 2006 Wrestling 8.5

Twisted Metal: Head-On Car Comb....................................................................


DS

Mario Kart DS Kart Racing

Advance Wars: Dual Strike Nintendogs: Dachshund and Friends Virtual Life 9.1

Nintendogs: Chihuahua and Friends Virtual Life 9.1

Nintendogs: Labrador and Friends Virtual Life 9.1

Yoshi's Island DS 2D Platformer 9.1

New Super Mario Bros. 2D Platformer 9.0 Screens J

Mario & Luigi: Partners in Time Role-Playing 8.9

Castlevania: Dawn of Sorrow 2D Platformer 8.9

Elite Beat Agents Rhythm / Music 8.9

Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney Adventure 8.8

Metroid Prime: Hunters Sci-Fi First-Person Shooter 8.6

Kirby: Canvas Curse 2D 8.6.................................................................

PSP Total = 59

DS Total = 28

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#2 Nintendo_Man
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"People say the ds has better games than the ds" :lol:

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#3 dave003
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I don't want to play anything like "Syphon Mega Space X: War Resurrection" or "A.R.M.Y: Recon Ops 46", and most of the PSP games either have generic titles like that or are ports from the PS2. That is why I prefer the DS, but I honestly haven't played either of them. Actually I wouldn't mind a PSP so I can get a portable SNES emulator, so I don't know. DS wins because of the price, mess with this.
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#4 dave003
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"People say the ds has better games than the ds" :lol:

Nintendo_Man
No, it's not funny. It's not funny because it is completely understandable that anyone could make this kind of mistake, and everyone still understands what he meant to say.
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#5 Nintendo_Man
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you need to get a sense of humour :roll:
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#6 danneswegman
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those are console related scores. "Best" is subjective. Best games for me are on the DS... just play the games you like the most. Buy both if you like. nobody cares..
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#7 dave003
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you need to get a sense of humour :roll:Nintendo_Man
Roll your eyes at this hunk of man-meat? For not finding your witty little pointing out of his error funny?
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#8 deviates1080
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Yet I still have more fun with a DS than a PSP. DS has better gameplay in my opinion,  the PSP is too concerned with reproducing the experience from the PS2. Your list shows that.
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#9 deviates1080
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[QUOTE="Nintendo_Man"]you need to get a sense of humour :roll:dave003


Roll your eyes at this hunk of man-meat? For not finding your witty little pointing out of his error funny?

Are you the OPs mum or something?

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#10 samusarmada
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I wonder why people say that the ds has better games than the psp. Discussion opened...
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#11 amcallister902
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lol its superbs not suburbs. but yeah i knew thisfor a while.
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#12 dave003
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[QUOTE="samusarmada"]I wonder why people say that the ds has better games than the psp. Discussion opened...

Try hard. Make the most of the juices inside of your brain and try hard to think of one simple reason why someone might say that the DS has better games than the PSP. Then get back to me on that.
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This is a sheep infested board what else would you expect?.... Same with the PS1 vs N64 polls the N64 always win. Dayum!
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#14 mirlegend
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whichever system has the best games is completely down to the individual persons opinion.
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#15 oback
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lets see how many of those psp games are ports? come back and talk to me when you get some original games.
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I don't want to play anything like "Syphon Mega Space X: War Resurrection" or "A.R.M.Y: Recon Ops 46", and most of the PSP games either have generic titles like that or are ports from the PS2. That is why I prefer the DS, but I honestly haven't played either of them. Actually I wouldn't mind a PSP so I can get a portable SNES emulator, so I don't know. DS wins because of the price, mess with this.dave003
because a title dictates how great a game is. If Gears of War was called Kill Aliens, it wouldnt make the game bad... :roll:
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[QUOTE="dave003"]I don't want to play anything like "Syphon Mega Space X: War Resurrection" or "A.R.M.Y: Recon Ops 46", and most of the PSP games either have generic titles like that or are ports from the PS2. That is why I prefer the DS, but I honestly haven't played either of them. Actually I wouldn't mind a PSP so I can get a portable SNES emulator, so I don't know. DS wins because of the price, mess with this.Viviath
because a title dictates how great a game is. If Gears of War was called Kill Aliens, it wouldnt make the game bad... :roll:

Yea I found what he said there very stupid and not will thought out.
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whichever system has the best games is completely down to the individual persons opinion. mirlegend
Yeah, seems that the PSP has more games that have a bit more depth to the storyline.
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#19 Viviath
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[QUOTE="mirlegend"]whichever system has the best games is completely down to the individual persons opinion. Supafly1
Yeah, seems that the PSP has more games that have a bit more depth to the storyline.

PSP has some really great games and so does DS. Im more of a multimedia and high end type of guy so i bought the PSP first and then when I got some extra cash I bought the DS:Lite and I havent regretted either purchase.
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#20 dave003
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[QUOTE="dave003"]I don't want to play anything like "Syphon Mega Space X: War Resurrection" or "A.R.M.Y: Recon Ops 46", and most of the PSP games either have generic titles like that or are ports from the PS2. That is why I prefer the DS, but I honestly haven't played either of them. Actually I wouldn't mind a PSP so I can get a portable SNES emulator, so I don't know. DS wins because of the price, mess with this.Viviath
because a title dictates how great a game is. If Gears of War was called Kill Aliens, it wouldnt make the game bad... :roll:

Except I'm not saying that these games aren't good. I'm saying that because they have generic titles and seem to follow suit with a genre that doesn't appeal to me, I have no interest in them in the first place.
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#21 joeboxer1001
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lets see how many of those psp games are ports?

come back and talk to me when you get some original games. oback


Well, the only "Original" games on the DS list there, not counting sequels or ports of any kind, are:
Elite Beat Agents
And maybe a Nintendogs, but that only looks like expansions.

Now I don't have either system, and I know the PSP has a lot of ports, but Nintendo is worse about it in my eyes.

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I don't want to play anything like "Syphon Mega Space X: War Resurrection" or "A.R.M.Y: Recon Ops 46", and most of the PSP games either have generic titles like that or are ports from the PS2. That is why I prefer the DS, but I honestly haven't played either of them. Actually I wouldn't mind a PSP so I can get a portable SNES emulator, so I don't know. DS wins because of the price, mess with this.dave003
  I laughed out loud at that one.  lol 
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[QUOTE="Viviath"][QUOTE="dave003"]I don't want to play anything like "Syphon Mega Space X: War Resurrection" or "A.R.M.Y: Recon Ops 46", and most of the PSP games either have generic titles like that or are ports from the PS2. That is why I prefer the DS, but I honestly haven't played either of them. Actually I wouldn't mind a PSP so I can get a portable SNES emulator, so I don't know. DS wins because of the price, mess with this.dave003
because a title dictates how great a game is. If Gears of War was called Kill Aliens, it wouldnt make the game bad... :roll:

Except I'm not saying that these games aren't good. I'm saying that because they have generic titles and seem to follow suit with a genre that doesn't appeal to me, I have no interest in them in the first place.

oh my bad...I apologize for jumping the gun (Who the hell came up with that expression...doesnt even make sense)...
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#24 phatkav
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"tries to play Nintendogs on PSP"

"fails"

"try to find a similar game on the PSP"

"fails"

DS is better.  

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In the opinion of GS that is. The PSP games dont interest me and the DS games do. So the DS is a better system with better games ( In my opinion ) for me.
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People say the ds has better games than the psp, when in-fact if you do the research its actually the other way around here's the results. These game are 8 or above (Greats & Suburbs)

 

PSP

 

Tekken: Dark Resurrection 3D Fighting 9.2 Sep 21, 2006 Daxter 3D Platformer 9.1Movie Apr 28, 2006 Burnout Legends Racing 9.0News Sep 13, 2005 (US) Lumines Puzzle 9.0News Mar 22, 2005 (US) Metal Gear Solid: Portable Ops Modern Action Adventure 9.0 May 11, 2007 Wipeout Pure Futuristic Racing 8.8News Mar 16, 2005 (US) World Soccer Winning Eleven 9 Soccer Sim 8.8Preview Feb 07, 2006 (US) Syphon Filter: Dark Mirror Modern Tactical Shooter 8.8Movie Sep 7, 2006 FIFA 06 Soccer Sim 8.7News Oct 11, 2005 (US) SOCOM: U.S. Navy SEALs Fireteam Bravo Modern Tactical Shooter 8.7News Apr 26, 2006 Grand Theft Auto: Liberty City Stories Modern Action Adventure 8.6News Oct 24, 2005 (US) Sid Meier's Pirates! Historic Real-Time Strategy 8.6 Mar 16, 2007 MLB 06: The Show Baseball Sim 8.6 Feb 28, 2006 (US) Mega Man Powered Up 2D Platformer 8.5News Mar 14, 2006 (US) WWE SmackDown! vs. RAW 2006 Wrestling 8.5News Dec 13, 2005 (US) Twisted Metal: Head-On Car Comb....................................................................


DS

 

Mario Kart DS Kart Racing Advance Wars: Dual StrikeNintendogs: Dachshund and Friends Virtual Life 9.1News Aug 22, 2005 (US) Nintendogs: Chihuahua and Friends Virtual Life 9.1News Sep 22, 2005 Nintendogs: Labrador and Friends Virtual Life 9.1News Aug 22, 2005 (US) Yoshi's Island DS 2D Platformer 9.1 Nov 17, 2006 New Super Mario Bros. 2D Platformer 9.0Screens Jun 8, 2006 Mario & Luigi: Partners in Time Role-Playing 8.9News Feb 22, 2006 Castlevania: Dawn of Sorrow 2D Platformer 8.9Movie Oct 04, 2005 (US) Elite Beat Agents Rhythm / Music 8.9 May 3, 2007 Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney Adventure 8.8Screens Mar 8, 2007 Metroid Prime: Hunters Sci-Fi First-Person Shooter 8.6News May 23, 2006 Kirby: Canvas Curse 2D Platformer 8.6Movie.................................................................

 

 

PSP Total = 59

DS Total = 28

Myth Busted

cyprusxx
Your right. What people dont understand is that handhelds are a different market with a different target audience. Sony is trying to get older gamers to get into handhelds which is mostly dominated by a much younger audience which the DS appeals.
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#29 cyprusxx
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does it mater if the developer made the game for
other systems. If its a good game who cares if it on other systems or
only on 1 system..
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#30 Wanderer5
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I not going though a series of argument like my topic, but here is a question. Would you rather play games that are innovated and orginial like EBA, Hotel Dusk, TC or would you rather play games that you can play on PS2? Plus look at gamesrankings. That was just GS opinions.

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#31 cyprusxx
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a graet games a great game does it mater if original.
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#32 chat2
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Ds games are more fun than PSP, I rather play a  DS game that score 8.0 than a PSP game that score 9.0, DS games are way more entertaining and Im no longer a kid so gameplay and fun factor > graphics

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#33 MorisUkunRasik
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the thing about the DS is that not only do gamers buy them but children and non-gamers buy them as well, this seems to be Nintendos strategy as of late. For example my gf has a ds and so do my younger siblings.
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#34 takisse
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does it mater if the developer made the game for
other systems. If its a good game who cares if it on other systems or
only on 1 system..
cyprusxx

Said the same for MGS4, FFXIII and all other exclusives that PS3 will loose...:lol:

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#35 Wanderer5
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a graet games a great game does it mater if original. cyprusxx

It matter to some people. Games that are original could have something new. I mean look at Elite Band Agents and Hotel Dusk. 

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[QUOTE="cyprusxx"]

People say the ds has better games than the psp, when in-fact if you do the research its actually the other way around here's the results. These game are 8 or above (Greats & Suburbs)

 

PSP

 

Tekken: Dark Resurrection 3D Fighting 9.2 Sep 21, 2006 Daxter 3D Platformer 9.1Movie Apr 28, 2006 Burnout Legends Racing 9.0News Sep 13, 2005 (US) Lumines Puzzle 9.0News Mar 22, 2005 (US) Metal Gear Solid: Portable Ops Modern Action Adventure 9.0 May 11, 2007 Wipeout Pure Futuristic Racing 8.8News Mar 16, 2005 (US) World Soccer Winning Eleven 9 Soccer Sim 8.8Preview Feb 07, 2006 (US) Syphon Filter: Dark Mirror Modern Tactical Shooter 8.8Movie Sep 7, 2006 FIFA 06 Soccer Sim 8.7News Oct 11, 2005 (US) SOCOM: U.S. Navy SEALs Fireteam Bravo Modern Tactical Shooter 8.7News Apr 26, 2006 Grand Theft Auto: Liberty City Stories Modern Action Adventure 8.6News Oct 24, 2005 (US) Sid Meier's Pirates! Historic Real-Time Strategy 8.6 Mar 16, 2007 MLB 06: The Show Baseball Sim 8.6 Feb 28, 2006 (US) Mega Man Powered Up 2D Platformer 8.5News Mar 14, 2006 (US) WWE SmackDown! vs. RAW 2006 Wrestling 8.5News Dec 13, 2005 (US) Twisted Metal: Head-On Car Comb....................................................................


DS

 

Mario Kart DS Kart Racing Advance Wars: Dual StrikeNintendogs: Dachshund and Friends Virtual Life 9.1News Aug 22, 2005 (US) Nintendogs: Chihuahua and Friends Virtual Life 9.1News Sep 22, 2005 Nintendogs: Labrador and Friends Virtual Life 9.1News Aug 22, 2005 (US) Yoshi's Island DS 2D Platformer 9.1 Nov 17, 2006 New Super Mario Bros. 2D Platformer 9.0Screens Jun 8, 2006 Mario & Luigi: Partners in Time Role-Playing 8.9News Feb 22, 2006 Castlevania: Dawn of Sorrow 2D Platformer 8.9Movie Oct 04, 2005 (US) Elite Beat Agents Rhythm / Music 8.9 May 3, 2007 Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney Adventure 8.8Screens Mar 8, 2007 Metroid Prime: Hunters Sci-Fi First-Person Shooter 8.6News May 23, 2006 Kirby: Canvas Curse 2D Platformer 8.6Movie.................................................................

 

 

PSP Total = 59

DS Total = 28

Myth Busted

Javy03
Your right. What people dont understand is that handhelds are a different market with a different target audience. Sony is trying to get older gamers to get into handhelds which is mostly dominated by a much younger audience which the DS appeals.

Oh no, here come the 30 yr old mario loving sheep, RUN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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#37 nevereathim
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Yet I still have more fun with a DS than a PSP. DS has better gameplay in my opinion, the PSP is too concerned with reproducing the experience from the PS2. Your list shows that.deviates1080
That's the point of the PSP, and why it's called Playstation Portable, and not Sony's new portable machine. Anyways, the DS does the same thing, it uses the same idea, but it changes the actual game, there's not MUCH, brand new DS only
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does it mater if the developer made the game for
other systems. If its a good game who cares if it on other systems or
only on 1 system..
cyprusxx
Because on the other system, the game is better in every way, that's why i prefer the DS over PSP.
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My favorite handheld, PSP8)
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I own both a PSP and a DS. I like my PSP way more. DS games are fun for about a week, but then they get old. PSP games are more solid overall.
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#41 caje47
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whichever system has the best games is completely down to the individual persons opinion. mirlegend

Not in System Wars. The editor's score = law.

Ds games are more fun than PSP, I rather play a DS game that score 8.0 than a PSP game that score 9.0, DS games are way more entertaining and Im no longer a kid so gameplay and fun factor > graphics

chat2

PSP games have gameplay and graphics...you lose. 

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#42 zhenyu21
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my DS has been relegated to my mum, while i stick to my PSP. Currently, the DS has not a lot of games that interest me.

Also, some people would like to have the big-brother console experience on the go. The PSP provides that. The DS relys on the tried and true formula from nintendo from its Gameboy line. 

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#43 joeychew
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yeah..psp has many good games. Most  people just underated the psp.
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[QUOTE="samusarmada"]I wonder why people say that the ds has better games than the psp. Discussion opened...dave003
Try hard. Make the most of the juices inside of your brain and try hard to think of one simple reason why someone might say that the DS has better games than the PSP. Then get back to me on that.

The point was to state the question and let people answer, not get flamed for trying to get a discussion going. Good job of completely ignoring the question and going right for the needless patronizing.

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#45 MF_D3f
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I like DS games because of their uniqueness. Most of the PSP games you listed are inferior PS2 ports.
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#46 qewrewq
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I like DS games because of their uniqueness. Most of the PSP games you listed are inferior PS2 ports.MF_D3f

Yeah the ones he listed aren't the best games out for psp, you can find many exclusive PSP games if you look for them. IMO PSP games > DS games.

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PSP

Tekken: Dark Resurrection 3D Fighting 9.2 Sep 21, 2006 Daxter 3D Platformer 9.1 Movie Apr 28, 2006 Burnout Legends Racing 9.0 News Sep 13, 2005 (US) Lumines Puzzle 9.0 News Mar 22, 2005 (US) Metal Gear Solid: Portable Ops Modern Action Adventure 9.0 May 11, 2007 Wipeout Pure Futuristic Racing 8.8 News Mar 16, 2005 (US) World Soccer Winning Eleven 9 Soccer Sim 8.8 Preview Feb 07, 2006 (US) Syphon Filter: Dark Mirror Modern Tactical Shooter 8.8 Movie Sep 7, 2006 FIFA 06 Soccer Sim 8.7 News Oct 11, 2005 (US) SOCOM: U.S. Navy SEALs Fireteam Bravo Modern Tactical Shooter 8.7 News Apr 26, 2006 Grand Theft Auto: Liberty City Stories Modern Action Adventure 8.6 News Oct 24, 2005 (US) Sid Meier's Pirates! Historic Real-Time Strategy 8.6 Mar 16, 2007 MLB 06: The Show Baseball Sim 8.6 Feb 28, 2006 (US) Mega Man Powered Up 2D Platformer 8.5News Mar 14, 2006 (US) WWE SmackDown! vs. RAW 2006 Wrestling 8.5 News Dec 13, 2005 (US) Twisted Metal: Head-On Car Comb....................................................................


DS

Mar 8, 2007 Mario Kart DS Kart Racing Advance Wars: Dual Strike Nintendogs: Dachshund and Friends Virtual Life 9.1 News Aug 22, 2005 (US) Nintendogs: Chihuahua and Friends Virtual Life 9.1 News Sep 22, 2005 Nintendogs: Labrador and Friends Virtual Life 9.1News Aug 22, 2005 (US) Yoshi's Island DS 2D Platformer 9.1 Nov 17, 2006 New Super Mario Bros. 2D Platformer 9.0 Screens Jun 8, 2006 Mario & Luigi: Partners in Time Role-Playing 8.9 News Feb 22, 2006 Castlevania: Dawn of Sorrow 2D Platformer 8.9Movie Oct 04, 2005 (US) Elite Beat Agents Rhythm / Music 8.9 May 3, 2007 Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney Adventure 8.8 ScreensMetroid Prime: Hunters Sci-Fi First-Person Shooter 8.6 News May 23, 2006 Kirby: Canvas Curse 2D Platformer 8.6Movie.................................................................

PSP Total = 59

DS Total = 28

Myth Busted

cyprusxx

you know you can subtract 2 games from the DS's list - Those 3 Nintendogs games rated a 9.1 are all the same game. So the DS total is 26. I like PSP games much better because they give you the console experience in the palm of your hand, not little casual games. I've never liked pokeman, nintendogs is way too kiddy and stupid (why not buy a real dog), and there has been around 100 Mario games released already - Mario games are too casual for me. The only DS game that I might like is Metroid, although the controls with the touch screen would probably feel awkward and unnatural. PSP games appeal to me sooo much more than DS games

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#48 GamerForca
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"you know you can subtract 2 games from the DS's list - Those 3 Nintendogs games rated a 9.1 are all the same game. So the DS total is 26. I like PSP games much better because they give you the console experience in the palm of your hand, not little casual games. I've never liked pokeman, nintendogs is way too kiddy and stupid (why not buy a real dog), and there has been around 100 Mario games released already - Mario games are too casual for me. The only DS game that I might like is Metroid, although the controls with the touch screen would probably feel awkward and unnatural. PSP games appeal to me sooo much more than DS games"-

But you just don't know until you try. ;)

Btw, sorry about not quoting this, your name gets censored. :?

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Alot of the PSP ones aren't very good, i wouldn't buy them. But some of them are really good.

PSP has less casual games and DS has more, so it's really your own preference.

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#50 DireToad
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Because DS fanboys associate lesser graphics with "originality".

They see PSP games and immediatly associate them with the PS2 even though they are completely new IPs.
And then they go on to say that the DS innovates.

Let's see...
Mario Kart - done that before
2D Castlevanias - done that before
Yoshi's Island - done that before
Animal Crossing - done that before
Pokemon - done that before
etc, etc, etc, etc.


The best DS games, we've all played them before. On the SNES or the N64.
The only truly original titles on the DS are Nintendogs and Phoenix Wright and maybe EBA. But music games always come with a new way to play to it's not like it's because of the DS.

Hotel Dusk is classic point and click that we've all played on the PC and Elite Beat Agents is a music game.