DS VS PSP Games

Because DS fanboys associate lesser graphics with "originality".

They see PSP games and immediatly associate them with the PS2 even though they are completely new IPs.
And then they go on to say that the DS innovates.

Let's see...
Mario Kart - done that before
2D Castlevanias - done that before
Yoshi's Island - done that before
Animal Crossing - done that before
Pokemon - done that before
etc, etc, etc, etc.


The best DS games, we've all played them before. On the SNES or the N64.
The only truly original titles on the DS are Nintendogs and Phoenix Wright and maybe EBA. But music games always come with a new way to play to it's not like it's because of the DS.

Hotel Dusk is ****c point and click that we've all played on the PC and Elite Beat Agents is a music game.DireToad

I don't say all, but many of the DS games are the same as on the snes or GBA although this time on the DS they are played through a different interface, that is ,the touch screen

all the PSP has is ports and spin-offs. Take away all of those from the PSP score and see what happenshamstergeddon

you don't know what you are talking about, do you?

Im talking about Syphon Filter DM, MGSportable ops, Daxter,lumines, pursuit force

The last two are new formulas and the rest are sequels. You fail

I think part of the reason is because the media hates the PSP because it's a Sony product. Sites like Gamespot would take every opportunity to bash the system or report of it in a slanted way. Podcasters truly hate the device too. It snowballed when Sony made the arrogant press comments about various issues and then released that root kit. It's as if the press along with every Nintendo and Microsoft fanboy united to crush the evil that is Sony.

It got so bad that people started saying Wii-360 as if there were some sort of union between the two companies. The PSP couldn't release one good game and have it mentioned "On the Spot" without one of the guys saying, "does this mean the PSP has something other than Lumines now...nahh" I've also noticed that even though the PSP's sales have boomed over the past few months every podcast that mentions it acts like it's an odd dismissible fluke. They also blow off the extraordinary sales of the PS2 (to this date) to take the opportunity to put down PS3.

The sales aren't bad on the device, they just can't touch the competitors sales. Like the Gamecube to the PS2, I enjoyed my Gamecube but if you wanted to use sales data to put the GC down you'd win every time.

Because DS fanboys associate lesser graphics with "originality".DireToad

Are you sure on that? Perhaps it's Sony fanboys who instantly equate good graphics with superior gameplay. But nah, you're probably right. A dual screened handheld system with a touchscreen interface isn't original at all, just some stupid gimmick that's sold over 40 million compared to the PSP's triumphant 25 million shipped (number shipped includes unbought units sitting on storeshelves or even in warehouses).

They see PSP games and immediatly associate them with the PS2 even though they are completely new IPs.DireToad

I may be wrong but I didn't really see any new properties mentioned by the original poster. There was Lumines but you can play that on Xbox Live right? I'm sure there are some new properties to be found on the PSP but how many of those are actually made by Sony, and further, how many are worth getting?

And then they go on to say that the DS innovates.

Let's see...
Mario Kart - done that before
2D Castlevanias - done that before
Yoshi's Island - done that before
Animal Crossing - done that before
Pokemon - done that before
etc, etc, etc, etc.


The best DS games, we've all played them before. On the SNES or the N64.
The only truly original titles on the DS are Nintendogs and Phoenix Wright and maybe EBA. But music games always come with a new way to play to it's not like it's because of the DS.

Hotel Dusk is****c point and click that we've all played on the PC and Elite Beat Agents is a music game.DireToad

I'm not going to try and say that the DS has profoundly changed the world of gaming as we know it or anything like that. Simply put, it's added a very fun new gameplay mechanic. That is innovation. Considering what Nintendo's done over the past 20 years and especially what they've done in the last few, I can comfortably say that Nintendo is the most innovative game company ever. You may not appreciate their characters or new gameplay dynamics but there is a significant amount of, if not the majority of, gamers who do.

Sony has been very successful in the past. That success was built on the undivided support of many excellent 3rd party companies, not Sony's own innovation. This is becoming clear now as those companies no longer solely hoist Sony's banner. Consider Nintendo during the N64 and most of the Gamecube era. Despite barebones 3rd party support, through their own franchises and innovation, they were able to stay afloat. Consider how well the PS3 is doing in light of migrating 3rd party support.

Sony's "innovation" has produced a very powerful next-gen system, yet this system lacks substance. Like it or not, people will still buy the latest Nintendo system to play the newest Mario or Zelda adventure. But if Sony had zero 3rd party support, how many people will buy the latest Playstation for Daxter or Ratchet?

Ok, so now back to the point. The scores of reviews show that the PSP does have more games than the forum fanboy will ever admit. You can rant for years about Nintendo's innovation and how that's the reason for their successful sales but I don't buy that. Nintendo64 sold way less than PS2 but yet they had Mario64 and Zelda; two of the most innovative titles a console has ever seen.

What you have selling the DS and Wii is a mob-mentality driven by press and word of mouth feeding itself. The non-gamer enjoying the controls and the price being less than the competition. The gamer enjoying people talking about their system. Everyone wants to be on top and this is the Nintendo fans time in the sun. But to claim that it's because of a failure on Sony or Microsoft's part is bull.

Microsoft has some amazing features and a very solid package with the 360 and it will be outsold by the Wii before the year is out. Playing any song during any game streamed over your network is innovation I care about. Streaming podcasts over the internet on my PSP is something I do. That doesn't mean I don't also love the Wii Vote Channel.

I think Nintendo faithfuls are on a high horse atop a glass house that will shatter whenever any of these giants get on top.

Ok, so now back to the point. The scores of reviews show that the PSP does have more games than the forum fanboy will ever admit. You can rant for years about Nintendo's innovation and how that's the reason for their successful sales but I don't buy that. Nintendo64 sold way less than PS2 but yet they had Mario64 and Zelda; two of the most innovative titles a console has ever seen.

What you have selling the DS and Wii is a mob-mentality driven by press and word of mouth feeding itself. The non-gamer enjoying the controls and the price being less than the competition. The gamer enjoying people talking about their system. Everyone wants to be on top and this is the Nintendo fans time in the sun. But to claim that it's because of a failure on Sony or Microsoft's part is bull.

Microsoft has some amazing features and a very solid package with the 360 and it will be outsold by the Wii before the year is out. Playing any song during any game streamed over your network is innovation I care about. Streaming podcasts over the internet on my PSP is something I do. That doesn't mean I don't also love the Wii Vote Channel.

I think Nintendo faithfuls are on a high horse atop a glass house that will shatter whenever any of these giants get on top.

Toddimus

Gamespot gave a lot PSP games high scores regardless of them being ports or remakes, I'll give you that. However, that doesn't mean very much. You have an assortment of different people writing reviews with their own unique standards, opinions, and a lot of personal freedom. The process is by no means standardized. It's comporable to having a different person score individual SAT's based on their own personal grading system. By luck of the draw it's quite possible a number of PSP games were graded by generous Sony faithfuls. Bottom line is that you can't take those numbers as a whole and use them as gospel. If you want to use hard figures, how about the fact that the PSP only has 4 games that managed to break a million in sales (and even then just barely) out of the 20-23 million PSP owners?

You said specifically you don't believe it was Nintendo's innovation that led them to be on top at this point, chalking it up to pure "mob-mentality driven by press and word of mouth". There is a grain of truth in that, many parents surely hunted for a Wii last holiday season simply because it was that year's "tickle-me-elmo". However you can't ignore the fact that (whether it's pure hype or a passing trend) the motion sensing controls are very enticing to people and was a big part in starting the snowball effect.

You could also argue that the Wii and DS are only on top because of their price. Rather than dispute that, I'll agree. Sony made a high-end handheld along with an extremely powerful console. Microsoft made a powerhousewith comparable abilities. Nintendo could have followed suit and pumped yet another powerful console into the mix, yet they chose a distinctively different route. Through their innovation, they were able to make affordable systems with fun and interesting new control methods that appealed to the majority of consumers. If they blindly just decided to make a standard powerful next gen system with standard controls, they wouldn't have generated the hype they did and all the "press and word of mouth" couldn't help them much.

The reason Sony isn't on top is due to their own failures. Making a powerful console with bells & whistles is the easy part and that only gets you so far. The bottom line is games. Sony is failing to secure exclusive rights to high selling 3rd party games. They've failed to produce successful franchises of their own (with the exception of Gran Turismo). Finally, in light of all this, they've failed to give consumers a justifiable excuse for the system's price. What has kept Sony going in the past was the innovation of others they no longer have a death grip on.

I'm not so short sighted that I think Nintendo will always be on top. But I can guarantee that even when they're not, they will persevere. It was Nintendo's innovation that helped to get them started, help keep them going keep going when they were on the bottom, help bring them back on top today, and ultimately ensure they'll always be around for a next-gen.

BTW, I agree with you as far as Microsoft goes. With or without innovation, with pockets as deep as they've got, Microsoft is a sure-bet too.

[QUOTE="DireToad"]Because DS fanboys associate lesser graphics with "originality".Ehlohim

Are you sure on that? Perhaps it's Sony fanboys who instantly equate good graphics with superior gameplay. But nah, you're probably right. A dual screened handheld system with a touchscreen interface isn't original at all, just some stupid gimmick that's sold over 40 million compared to the PSP's triumphant 25 million shipped (number shipped includes unbought units sitting on storeshelves or even in warehouses).

They see PSP games and immediatly associate them with the PS2 even though they are completely new IPs.DireToad

I may be wrong but I didn't really see any new properties mentioned by the original poster. There was Lumines but you can play that on Xbox Live right? I'm sure there are some new properties to be found on the PSP but how many of those are actually made by Sony, and further, how many are worth getting?

And then they go on to say that the DS innovates.

Let's see...
Mario Kart - done that before
2D Castlevanias - done that before
Yoshi's Island - done that before
Animal Crossing - done that before
Pokemon - done that before
etc, etc, etc, etc.


The best DS games, we've all played them before. On the SNES or the N64.
The only truly original titles on the DS are Nintendogs and Phoenix Wright and maybe EBA. But music games always come with a new way to play to it's not like it's because of the DS.

Hotel Dusk is****c point and click that we've all played on the PC and Elite Beat Agents is a music game.DireToad

I'm not going to try and say that the DS has profoundly changed the world of gaming as we know it or anything like that. Simply put, it's added a very fun new gameplay mechanic. That is innovation. Considering what Nintendo's done over the past 20 years and especially what they've done in the last few, I can comfortably say that Nintendo is the most innovative game company ever. You may not appreciate their characters or new gameplay dynamics but there is a significant amount of, if not the majority of, gamers who do.

Sony has been very successful in the past. That success was built on the undivided support of many excellent 3rd party companies, not Sony's own innovation. This is becoming clear now as those companies no longer solely hoist Sony's banner. Consider Nintendo during the N64 and most of the Gamecube era. Despite barebones 3rd party support, through their own franchises and innovation, they were able to stay afloat. Consider how well the PS3 is doing in light of migrating 3rd party support.

Sony's "innovation" has produced a very powerful next-gen system, yet this system lacks substance. Like it or not, people will still buy the latest Nintendo system to play the newest Mario or Zelda adventure. But if Sony had zero 3rd party support, how many people will buy the latest Playstation for Daxter or Ratchet?

"Are you sure on that? Perhaps it's Sony fanboys who instantly equate good graphics with superior gameplay. But nah, you're probably right. A dual screened handheld system with a touchscreen interface isn't original at all, just some stupid gimmick that's sold over 40 million compared to the PSP's triumphant 25 million shipped (number shipped includes unbought units sitting on storeshelves or even in warehouses)."

Yes, its just a gimmick which isn't original that has existed long before on PDAs and smartphones. * claps * for your argument.

"Are you sure on that? Perhaps it's Sony fanboys who instantly equate good graphics with superior gameplay. But nah, you're probably right. A dual screened handheld system with a touchscreen interface isn't original at all, just some stupid gimmick that's sold over 40 million compared to the PSP's triumphant 25 million shipped (number shipped includes unbought units sitting on storeshelves or even in warehouses)."

Yes, its just a gimmick which isn't original that has existed long before on PDAs and smartphones. * claps * for your argument.

curp11

it's a gimmick!!!!!

it's a gimmick!!!!!

Do you have any decent arguments or are you just content to repeat the same crappy one like a petulant child. PSP cant even sell half the amount of the DS and no-one is buying the games. The hardware is broken crap (which is why fanboys like you have been crying for a redesign for two years) and most of the best games are on the PS2.

try and counter that Son. bu....bu....bu.. teh ds is a gimmick!!!!! :lol:

Yes, its just a gimmick which isn't original that has existed long before on PDAs and smartphones. * claps * for your argument.curp11

As far as I knew, the touchscreen on PDA's and Smartphones was seldom used for gaming. The DS has employed the dual screen and touchscreen dynamics in ways never used for gaming. You can't deny that these things are original. Nintendo took quite a risk releasing such unorthodox systems like the Wii and DS and it paid off. If these are just gimmicks, Nintendo deserves some kind of award for producing such ridiculously long-lived and successful gimmicks.

Oh well though, I'm sure a refined and sophisticated Wrestlemania fan like yourself knows better than me anyway. Your sig is just epic.

[QUOTE="Toddimus"]

Ok, so now back to the point. The scores of reviews show that the PSP does have more games than the forum fanboy will ever admit. You can rant for years about Nintendo's innovation and how that's the reason for their successful sales but I don't buy that. Nintendo64 sold way less than PS2 but yet they had Mario64 and Zelda; two of the most innovative titles a console has ever seen.

What you have selling the DS and Wii is a mob-mentality driven by press and word of mouth feeding itself. The non-gamer enjoying the controls and the price being less than the competition. The gamer enjoying people talking about their system. Everyone wants to be on top and this is the Nintendo fans time in the sun. But to claim that it's because of a failure on Sony or Microsoft's part is bull.

Microsoft has some amazing features and a very solid package with the 360 and it will be outsold by the Wii before the year is out. Playing any song during any game streamed over your network is innovation I care about. Streaming podcasts over the internet on my PSP is something I do. That doesn't mean I don't also love the Wii Vote Channel.

I think Nintendo faithfuls are on a high horse atop a glass house that will shatter whenever any of these giants get on top.

Ehlohim

Gamespot gave a lot PSP games high scores regardless of them being ports or remakes, I'll give you that. However, that doesn't mean very much. You have an assortment of different people writing reviews with their own unique standards, opinions, and a lot of personal freedom. The process is by no means standardized. It's comporable to having a different person score individual SAT's based on their own personal grading system. By luck of the draw it's quite possible a number of PSP games were graded by generous Sony faithfuls. Bottom line is that you can't take those numbers as a whole and use them as gospel. If you want to use hard figures, how about the fact that the PSP only has 4 games that managed to break a million in sales (and even then just barely) out of the 20-23 million PSP owners?

first of all, Gamespot reviews don't come from the opinion of just one person. Gamespot says "GameSpot's reviews all go through a rigorous screening process by our reviews team, so you can rest assured that we collectively stand behind and support the statements made in each new review we publish."

2nd of all, the PSP has way more than 4 games that break a million in sales. Where is your source?

[QUOTE="hamstergeddon"]all the PSP has is ports and spin-offs. Take away all of those from the PSP score and see what happenscurp11

you don't know what you are talking about, do you?

Im talking about Syphon Filter DM, MGSportable ops, Daxter,lumines, pursuit force

The last two are new formulas and the rest are sequels. You fail

2nd of all, the PSP has way more than 4 games that break a million in sales. Where is your source?

****

Where your source about the PSP having way more than 4 games that break a million?

DS has IP's and handheld exclusive games like pokemon

PSP has longer, more console like games, and most of the games derried from previous consoles, while some of them are now handheld exclusives like Syphon Filter, others still aren't like SOCOM but have different gameplay and/or storylines

Daxter 3D Platformer 9.1

Burnout Legends Racing 9.0 N

World Soccer Winning Eleven 9 Soccer Sim 8.8

MLB 06: The Show Baseball Sim 8.6 F

WWE SmackDown! vs. RAW 2006 Wrestling 8.5

cyprusxx

I'm sorry but really......no really. Look at thsoe games and those scores.........really.

first of all, Gamespot reviews don't come from the opinion of just one person. Gamespot says "GameSpot's reviews all go through a rigorous screening process by our reviews team, so you can rest assured that we collectively stand behind and support the statements made in each new review we publish."

2nd of all, the PSP has way more than 4 games that break a million in sales. Where is your source?

****

The quote from Gamespot there seems like a preventive measure taken to discourage people from going ballistic following a controversial rating. You personally only know as much about the exact inner workings as I do. Can you say with conviction that every single game, regardless what platform it's on, is reviewed by the same exact group of people with the same standardized assessments? Now I could be entirely wrong here but I seem to remember reading that while assigning a numerical score to a game, the reviewers take into account what platform the game is own. They said in this way, an exactly identical game released on both the original XBOX and the 360 would receive a lower score on the latter as it is held to a higher standard. This means that the scoring system is not perfectly standardized which takes me back to my original point of comparing PSP to DS scores; You can't compare two numerical grades directly that were obtained using different criterion. (BTW, I'm not on these forums to go around bashing Gamespot. Obviously if I'm here, I enjoy the site)

In regard to only 4 games breaking a million in sales, they are Monster Hunter Freedom, Monster Hunter Freedom 2, Wipeout Pure, and Tekken Dark Resurrection. Wikipediakeeps a list of all video games that have ever sold more than a million copies. However, knowing how dubious Wiki can be, I double checked the results. Monster Hunter Freedom's platinum status is verified by Capcom& VGChartz. Monster Hunter Freedom 2 is verified by 1UP and VGChartz. Tekken Dark Resurrection is verified by our very own Gamespot. Finally, Wipeout Pure is apparently verified here, but it's hard to say how authentic this claim is coming from a Sony lackey.

If you can come up with any proof of other PSP games that hit the mark, I'd like to see it. Until then, my point stands that despite the PSP games apparently being so great, The 20 million plus owners only liked 4 of them enough to buy more than a million copies.

The last 2 Phoenix Wright games, Final Fantasy 3, Trauma Center, Tetris DS and all mighty Brain Age. They all got scores under 8.0... They are all awsome games that sold A LOT, I own all of them and I think they are more than worthy reasons to buy a DS.

Counting AA and AAA means nothing.

EDIT: Just realized this thread is a few months old...

You obviously missed a lot of DS games. I counted more than 26 games in the 8-8.9 range. :| Way to go TC.

1. Mario Kart DS Kart Racing 9.2Feature

2. Advance Wars: Dual Strike Modern Turn-Based Strategy 9.2Feature

3. Nintendogs: Dachshund and Friends Virtual Life 9.1News

3. Nintendogs: Chihuahua and Friends Virtual Life 9.1News

3. Nintendogs: Labrador and Friends Virtual Life 9.1News

4. Yoshi's Island DS 2D Platformer 9.1

5. New Super Mario Bros. 2D Platformer 9.0Screens

6. The Legend of Zelda: Phantom Hourglass Fantasy Action Adventure 9.0

7. Mario & Luigi: Partners in Time Role-Playing 8.9News

8. Castlevania: Dawn of Sorrow 2D Platformer 8.9Movie

9. Elite Beat Agents Rhythm / Music 8.9

10. Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney Adventure 8.8Screens

11. Metroid Prime: Hunters Sci-Fi First-Person Shooter 8.6News

12. Kirby: Canvas Curse 2D Platformer 8.6Movie

13. Pokemon Diamond Role-Playing 8.5News

13. Pokemon Pearl Role-Playing 8.5News

14. Bleach: The Blade of Fate 2D Fighting 8.5

15. Tony Hawk's American Sk8land Skateboarding 8.4News

16.Animal Crossing: Wild World Virtual Life 8.4News

17. Super Mario 64 DS 3D Platformer 8.4News

18. Lunar Knights Fantasy Action Adventure 8.4

19. Castlevania: Portrait of Ruin 2D Platformer 8.3

20. Age of Empires: The Age of Kings Historic Turn-Based Strategy 8.2Movie

21. Metroid Prime Pinball Pinball 8.2News

22. Sonic Rush 2D Platformer 8.2News

22. Nintendogs: Dalmatian and Friends Virtual Life 8.2

23. Hotel Dusk: Room 215 Adventure 8.2

24. Mario vs. Donkey Kong 2: March of the Minis 2D Platformer 8.2

25. Bomberman Land Touch! Puzzle 8.1

26. Puzzle Quest: Challenge of the Warlords Puzzle 8.1

27. Tiger Woods PGA Tour 08 Golf Sim 8.0

28. Final Fantasy Fables: Chocobo Tales Role-Playing 8.0

29. Picross DS Puzzle 8.0

30. Chibi-Robo: Park Patrol Fantasy Action Adventure 8.0

31. Clubhouse Games Compilation 8.0

32. Spider-Man 3 3D Platformer 8.0

33. The New York Times Crosswords Puzzle 8.0

34. Madden NFL 08 Football Sim 8.0

35. Sonic Rush Adventure 2D Platformer 8.0

36. Tony Hawk's Proving Ground Skateboarding 8.0

37. Contra 4 2D Platformer 8.0

38. Mario Party DS Party Game 8.0

39. Meteos Puzzle 8.5Feature

Huh... 39, and that's not counting other versions of the same game...

EDIT: Just realized this thread is a few months old...

You obviously missed a lot of DS games. I counted more than 26 games in the 8-8.9 range. :| Way to go TC.

1. Mario Kart DS Kart Racing 9.2Feature

2. Advance Wars: Dual Strike Modern Turn-Based Strategy 9.2Feature

3. Nintendogs: Dachshund and Friends Virtual Life 9.1News

3. Nintendogs: Chihuahua and Friends Virtual Life 9.1News

3. Nintendogs: Labrador and Friends Virtual Life 9.1News

4. Yoshi's Island DS 2D Platformer 9.1

5. New Super Mario Bros. 2D Platformer 9.0Screens

6. The Legend of Zelda: Phantom Hourglass Fantasy Action Adventure 9.0

7. Mario & Luigi: Partners in Time Role-Playing 8.9News

8. Castlevania: Dawn of Sorrow 2D Platformer 8.9Movie

9. Elite Beat Agents Rhythm / Music 8.9

10. Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney Adventure 8.8Screens

11. Metroid Prime: Hunters Sci-Fi First-Person Shooter 8.6News

12. Kirby: Canvas Curse 2D Platformer 8.6Movie

13. Pokemon Diamond Role-Playing 8.5News

13. Pokemon Pearl Role-Playing 8.5News

14. Bleach: The Blade of Fate 2D Fighting 8.5

15. Tony Hawk's American Sk8land Skateboarding 8.4News

16.Animal Crossing: Wild World Virtual Life 8.4News

17. Super Mario 64 DS 3D Platformer 8.4News

18. Lunar Knights Fantasy Action Adventure 8.4

19. Castlevania: Portrait of Ruin 2D Platformer 8.3

20. Age of Empires: The Age of Kings Historic Turn-Based Strategy 8.2Movie

21. Metroid Prime Pinball Pinball 8.2News

22. Sonic Rush 2D Platformer 8.2News

22. Nintendogs: Dalmatian and Friends Virtual Life 8.2

23. Hotel Dusk: Room 215 Adventure 8.2

24. Mario vs. Donkey Kong 2: March of the Minis 2D Platformer 8.2

25. Bomberman Land Touch! Puzzle 8.1

26. Puzzle Quest: Challenge of the Warlords Puzzle 8.1

27. Tiger Woods PGA Tour 08 Golf Sim 8.0

28. Final Fantasy Fables: Chocobo Tales Role-Playing 8.0

29. Picross DS Puzzle 8.0

30. Chibi-Robo: Park Patrol Fantasy Action Adventure 8.0

31. Clubhouse Games Compilation 8.0

32. Spider-Man 3 3D Platformer 8.0

33. The New York Times Crosswords Puzzle 8.0

34. Madden NFL 08 Football Sim 8.0

35. Sonic Rush Adventure 2D Platformer 8.0

36. Tony Hawk's Proving Ground Skateboarding 8.0

37. Contra 4 2D Platformer 8.0

38. Mario Party DS Party Game 8.0

39. Meteos Puzzle 8.5Feature

Huh... 39, and that's not counting other versions of the same game...

nintendofreak_2

look when the thread was created..................... alot of thos games wearnt released

Too bad most PSP games feel boring, generic, and a lot like the counterparts of the better PS2 games. :shock:

The DS is just a more fun system.

[QUOTE="nintendofreak_2"]

EDIT:Just realized this thread is a few months old...

cyprusxx

look when the thread was created..................... alot of thos games wearnt released