dude I play halo and and I can tell you this.... Killzone 3 8.5> Halo ODST 9.

[QUOTE="Sharpie125"]

[QUOTE="dabigsiebowski"]whoa dude.... I'm gonna say this but Halo's story is B-movie quality compared to a lot of games out there. Hl2 and Deus Ex did a better job years ago and even before halo was dropped to the masses.... You walk around a nearly deserted city that's dark and you have flash backs of mediocre action scenes filled with done before halo gameplay.NeonNinja

There are two types of Halo fans. I've thought about this, so hear me out. Halo will always be outclassed in terms of storytelling when put up against Half Life. The folks that love Halo (myself included) have loved the story since Combat Evolved. It's a fairly good, simple story and our love for it is more nostalgia driven than anything. Halo 2 and 3 were a little lacking, but the damage was already done. We like the Halo lore so completely, and that's what brings us back. Anyone else jumping into the series won't get it the way we do. And regarding the hop-ons, that's fan number 2. These guys are mostly multiplayer-driven, and it's something Halo excels at totally so that love is completely justified. Halo's multiplayer (almost sandboxy now) is still more unique compared to the COD-lites taking the multiplayer world by storm.

I agree with what you're saying. I like the Halo lore enough. It's nothing spectacular and yeah, most people that jump on midway just won't get into it the same way. Case in point, Reach's ending was really designed for those that stuck with the series from day one.

But I wasn't even talking about ODST's story as a major reason to play it.

Oh I know. Has to be Nathan Fillion 8). He's so dreamy! :P

Hey about that spreading wisdom crack, I was just being funny and didn't mean any hostility. About your second point - I don't agree with that but to each his ownheadninjadog

Well, you're free to disagree, but that's how Gamespot scores work.

[QUOTE="headninjadog"]Hey about that spreading wisdom crack, I was just being funny and didn't mean any hostility. About your second point - I don't agree with that but to each his ownwaltefmoney

Well, you're free to disagree, but that's how Gamespot scores work.

Halo: ODST >>>>>> Every other halo. IMO.CoolSkAGuy

Hey, I love me some ODST. Just look at my avatar. But the segments of the campaign during the openesh ended night New Mombasa really wasn't too amazing. You just walked from point A to point B. Some times you'd fight guys, some times you didn't. When you didn't it was kinda dull. Theres nothing else to do in these segments except collect audio logs. Stealth wasn't really that important or even central to that experience. Using that silenced SMG still alerted all enemies near by to your exact location, it was really just there for looks. The campaign was fun and something of a breathe of freash air but I'd say Halo 3's and Combat Evolved's campaigns were better. While you can't judge a game purely on what modes it includes, the competition should be taken into consideration as well as the game's own predecessors. I'd say the campaign was about on par with the rest of the Halo games. Not significantly better or worse. With Multiplayer you got Halo 3's multiplayer which is something someone buying ODST likely already had. I guess it can be a good deal for those who didn't have the dlc pack in Halo 3 yet, but thats the only case in which it's of real benefit. Theres firefight, which was nice but there was no match making. So basically you got a campaign, a multiplayer from a then two year old game the consumer likely already had and a co-op survival mode without matchmaking. It was a good game but by no means superb.vashkey

I love the open-ended New Mombasa section, actually. It's my favorite part of the game, moreso than any of the flashbacks. I'm playing it on Legendary right now and combat avoidance is the name of the game. I've found myself hiding behind trucks and generally avoiding large groups with my supply-starved Rookie. Granted, in the flashbacks I still hit combat as I normally would, in the open-ended section I just like getting lost in the mood of it all.

I'm not sure how I'd rate the Halo campaigns, but in terms of pacing I'd say Halo 3 probably has the best campaign. Just flows nicely. I don't think any shooter has matched Halo 3's pacing quite well enough these days.

I don't even count the multiplayer disc as ODST. It's Halo 3's multiplayer. It wasn't a major factor in my decision to purchase despite not having the DLC maps. ODST was definitely aimed at people that already had Halo 3, but I honestly love the campaign. I think it's awesome, I've been through it three times, Firefight was cool and I didn'tneed matchmaking to just get some people together to play. Sure, Reach does Firefight better a year later with more variety and matchmaking. But it honestly didn't bother me and I'd say based on the campaign and Firefight that ODST represented a quality release. Whether someone thinks its superb or not is subjective, but I've spent more time playing ODST than I have other shooters. It's well-designed, experiments a bit with the Halo formula and has a nifty noir feel to it.

wrong, how it works is the gaming journalism media bows down to companies with $$$Microsoft1234

Yeah, sure. I bet you can prove that.

[QUOTE="Microsoft1234"]wrong, how it works is the gaming journalism media bows down to companies with $$$waltefmoney

Yeah, sure. I bet you can prove that.

[QUOTE="Twin-Blade"]I played through the campaign twice by myself, once with my cousin, & multiple times online. I played through Firefight with my cousin for countless hours... Awesome memories.white_sox

That's cool & all, but you said a game with a 5 hour campaign, linear & forgettable isn't worth $60. A 5 hour campaign is fine when it is highly replayable & there are a slew of other features in the game. ODST isn't very linear compared to most shooters & shouldn't even be bought up in a thread comparing ODST with Killzone. It's also not forgettable; unique campaign design, cool environments, amazing musical score & epic firefights are very easy to remember.

It was worth every cent of the $110 AUS I spent on it.

[QUOTE="waltefmoney"]

[QUOTE="Microsoft1234"]wrong, how it works is the gaming journalism media bows down to companies with $$$Microsoft1234

Yeah, sure. I bet you can prove that.

None of which is solid proof, just your opinions on ODST and CoD and some guy getting fired. And even if it were true, you can't prove it applies to the entire industry, and the entire media. So there's no point in starting this debate.

[QUOTE="Microsoft1234"][QUOTE="waltefmoney"]

Yeah, sure. I bet you can prove that.

waltefmoney

None of which is solid proof, just your opinions on ODST and CoD and some guy getting fired. And even if it were true, you can't prove it applies to the entire industry, and the entire media. So there's no point in starting this debate.

[QUOTE="waltefmoney"]

[QUOTE="Microsoft1234"]wrong, how it works is the gaming journalism media bows down to companies with $$$Microsoft1234

Yeah, sure. I bet you can prove that.

ODST & MW2 sold millions worldwide & Halo 3 & MW2 multiplayer where the two most played on Xbox Live at the time. Maybe it's just you.

Don't really want to jump into the hornets/trol nest that is Kz3's 8.5, but as for ODST

It is widely accepted ODST was overrated by the big US reviewers as smaller and European based review source rated ODST significantly less

This is why there is an odd gap between the meta score(83) and the bigger US reviewers like GS and IGN.

It's DLC for full game price after all.

[QUOTE="Microsoft1234"][QUOTE="waltefmoney"]

Yeah, sure. I bet you can prove that.

Twin-Blade

ODST & MW2 sold millions worldwide & Halo 3 & MW2 multiplayer where the two most played on Xbox Live at the time. Maybe it's just you.

Don't really want to jump into the hornets/trol nest that is Kz3's 8.5, but as for ODST

It is widely accepted ODST was overrated by the big US reviewers as smaller and European based review source rated ODST significantly less

This is why there is an odd gap between the meta score(83) and the bigger US reviewers like GS and IGN.

It's DLC for full game price after all.

dercoo

naive, regardless of proof do u agree that the reviewing industry is messed up? seriously what other shooter besides cod would get a 9 with all the bugs and glitches and unbalance in mw2? and all of which is evidence to a conclusion.

Microsoft1234

I agree it's not perfect.. or close, but it's the only thing we've got on this board. Otherwise it would just be a lot of biased people throwing "opinions" on games a lot of them haven't even played.

[QUOTE="Microsoft1234"]

naive, regardless of proof do u agree that the reviewing industry is messed up? seriously what other shooter besides cod would get a 9 with all the bugs and glitches and unbalance in mw2? and all of which is evidence to a conclusion.

waltefmoney

I agree it's not perfect.. or close, but it's the only thing we've got on this board. Otherwise it would just be a lot of biased people throwing "opinions" on games a lot of them haven't even played.

Don't really want to jump into the hornets/trol nest that is Kz3's 8.5, but as for ODST

It is widely accepted ODST was overrated by the big US reviewers as smaller and European based review source rated ODST significantly less

This is why there is an odd gap between the meta score(83) and the bigger US reviewers like GS and IGN.

It's DLC for full game price after all.

dercoo

Maybe US gamers just liked it more? :P

Honestly, reviewers giving a game a 9 that averages an 83 is still really close. And no 10's given either. Personally I'm glad that there are no 10's awarded, but I felt a 9 to be an approriate score and I feel that an 83 average is also an appropriate score for a game like ODST. 83 is high enough to show a quality release and and I think ODST is a quality release.

[QUOTE="Twin-Blade"]

[QUOTE="Microsoft1234"] odst got a 9? mw2 got 9s all around-any other shooter with all the bugs it had would score a 9?, gerstmann gate? feel free to disagree, but the obvious truth is that the reviewing industry is completely messed up. Microsoft1234

ODST & MW2 sold millions worldwide & Halo 3 & MW2 multiplayer where the two most played on Xbox Live at the time. Maybe it's just you.

Regardless of whether it was buggy or not, it was still incredibly popular. You're basically saying millions of people are wrong, & you're right. The game received praise from many critics & millions of gamers. I'm not a COD fan, but I'm open minded & can easily see why people think COD is so good.

[QUOTE="waltefmoney"]

[QUOTE="Microsoft1234"]

naive, regardless of proof do u agree that the reviewing industry is messed up? seriously what other shooter besides cod would get a 9 with all the bugs and glitches and unbalance in mw2? and all of which is evidence to a conclusion.

Microsoft1234

I agree it's not perfect.. or close, but it's the only thing we've got on this board. Otherwise it would just be a lot of biased people throwing "opinions" on games a lot of them haven't even played.

While I hate Modern Warfare 2, I also understand difference of opinion. Reviews are subjective as they're based on an individual's enjoyment of a game. Not trusting a source because they rated highly games that you dislike is silly. For instance, I disagree with GS giving Gears of War 2 a 9, or Metroid Prime 3 a 8.5, but I still trust their reviews. Someone else's opinion won't match with mine, that's just how things work.

[QUOTE="waltefmoney"]

[QUOTE="Microsoft1234"]

naive, regardless of proof do u agree that the reviewing industry is messed up? seriously what other shooter besides cod would get a 9 with all the bugs and glitches and unbalance in mw2? and all of which is evidence to a conclusion.

Microsoft1234

I agree it's not perfect.. or close, but it's the only thing we've got on this board. Otherwise it would just be a lot of biased people throwing "opinions" on games a lot of them haven't even played.

So you just pick the scores you like the most? No point looking at reviews than if you're just going to write off the ones you don't want to hear. Gamespot gave NIER a 5.0, a game I'd say was on of my top 2-3 of 2010, but I still regard Gamespot as the number one game site.

That's cool & all, but you said a game with a 5 hour campaign, linear & forgettable isn't worth $60. A 5 hour campaign is fine when it is highly replayable & there are a slew of other features in the game. ODST isn't very linear compared to most shooters & shouldn't even be bought up in a thread comparing ODST with Killzone. It's also not forgettable; unique campaign design, cool environments, amazing musical score & epic firefights are very easy to remember.

It was worth every cent of the $110 AUS I spent on it.

Twin-Blade

[QUOTE="Twin-Blade"]

That's cool & all, but you said a game with a 5 hour campaign, linear & forgettable isn't worth $60. A 5 hour campaign is fine when it is highly replayable & there are a slew of other features in the game. ODST isn't very linear compared to most shooters & shouldn't even be bought up in a thread comparing ODST with Killzone. It's also not forgettable; unique campaign design, cool environments, amazing musical score & epic firefights are very easy to remember.

It was worth every cent of the $110 AUS I spent on it.

white_sox

I'm only using my personal experience to explain why I think a Gamespots 9.0 was justified. Perhaps they felt the same way when scoring the game. Fortunately I had quite a few friends on XBL that owned ODST, so I didn't really need matchmaking. Again, maybe Gamespot was in a similar position.

People are comparing Killzone to the masterpiece that is Halo. Sorry but Halo absolutely destroys Killzone. It's not even a joke.

ODST getting a 9.0 just branding hype basically. It was made by bungie which automatically gave it at least an 8.5 or higher. KZ3 is def better than ODST... and I'm a bigger halo fan than KZ3 fan.

LOL at people who agree with OTHER people's opinions without even touching the game :D

Long live PS3 and Shapshooter Killzone 3

dabigsiebowski

are you drunk or something?? whats with with so many threads tonight with people(mostly cows) babbling nonsense and just acting...strange. did a group of them meet at a local bar and get loaded, leave and went home, realize they have no friends(this guys ex friend actually robbed him:P), and decided to get on here and talk nonsense to us. i mean he's being boarish and crude in the last two threads i've read by him...idk, maybe he thinks he's coming off funny and clever. but it's basically been not to subtle trolling. where are the mods....why isnt he suspended yet?

[QUOTE="dabigsiebowski"]

LOL at people who agree with OTHER people's opinions without even touching the game :D

Long live PS3 and Shapshooter Killzone 3

LucidJubilation

are you drunk or something?? whats with with so many threads tonight with people(mostly cows) babbling nonsense and just acting...strange. did a group of them meet at a local bar and get loaded, leave and went home, realize they have no friends(this guys ex friend actually robbed him:P), and decided to get on here and talk nonsense to us. i mean he's being boarish and crude in the last two threads i've read by him...idk, maybe he thinks he's coming off funny and clever. but it's basically been not to subtle trolling. where are the mods....why isnt he suspended yet?

[QUOTE="Twin-Blade"]

That's cool & all, but you said a game with a 5 hour campaign, linear & forgettable isn't worth $60. A 5 hour campaign is fine when it is highly replayable & there are a slew of other features in the game. ODST isn't very linear compared to most shooters & shouldn't even be bought up in a thread comparing ODST with Killzone. It's also not forgettable; unique campaign design, cool environments, amazing musical score & epic firefights are very easy to remember.

It was worth every cent of the $110 AUS I spent on it.

white_sox

whats funny is you mentioned FightFight and KZ3 doesnt even have anything like fightfight. that should explain why ODST scored high right there. it had a decent campaign(i loved it myself, my opinion), it had all the multiplayer maps from Halo 3, and it had firefight. KZ3 doesnt even have that, thus to the lower score. that should be lower...i mean with Halo Reach you have FireFight, Multiplayer, on and offline co-op, Theatre mode, Forge World, other things i don't feel like typing or mentioning lol. to see cows complaining about getting a 8.5 when the game is lacking in comparison so badly is beyond me.

they're just taking the 8'5 hard, real hard. but it's not really gamespots fault. blame GG, those devs made a damn shallow game and now ur paying for it.

I'm just baffled at how KZ2 got a 9.0 and KZ3 got a 8.5.

Lto_thaG

[QUOTE="Lto_thaG"]

I'm just baffled at how KZ2 got a 9.0 and KZ3 got a 8.5.

NWA90s

[QUOTE="LucidJubilation"]

[QUOTE="dabigsiebowski"]

LOL at people who agree with OTHER people's opinions without even touching the game :D

Long live PS3 and Shapshooter Killzone 3

dabigsiebowski

are you drunk or something?? whats with with so many threads tonight with people(mostly cows) babbling nonsense and just acting...strange. did a group of them meet at a local bar and get loaded, leave and went home, realize they have no friends(this guys ex friend actually robbed him:P), and decided to get on here and talk nonsense to us. i mean he's being boarish and crude in the last two threads i've read by him...idk, maybe he thinks he's coming off funny and clever. but it's basically been not to subtle trolling. where are the mods....why isnt he suspended yet?

seriously...are you drunk?? you have been reading too many poems you sound like a ****. no wonder ur friends rob you if you come off like this is real life at all.

anyway, like in my last post in this thread...in comparison, both the last halo's games(ODST and Reach) offer more than Killzone 3 does...so what exactly are people missing. cool graphics that impress YOU so much?

[QUOTE="dabigsiebowski"][QUOTE="LucidJubilation"]

are you drunk or something?? whats with with so many threads tonight with people(mostly cows) babbling nonsense and just acting...strange. did a group of them meet at a local bar and get loaded, leave and went home, realize they have no friends(this guys ex friend actually robbed him:P), and decided to get on here and talk nonsense to us. i mean he's being boarish and crude in the last two threads i've read by him...idk, maybe he thinks he's coming off funny and clever. but it's basically been not to subtle trolling. where are the mods....why isnt he suspended yet?

LucidJubilation

seriously...are you drunk?? you have been reading too many poems you sound like a ****. no wonder ur friends rob you if you come off like this is real life at all.

anyway, like in my last post in this thread...in comparison, both the last halo's games(ODST and Reach) offer more than Killzone 3 does...so what exactly are people missing. cool graphics that impress YOU so much?

[QUOTE="NeonNinja"]

[QUOTE="BPoole96"]

I think most people agree that ODST's 9.0 is an atrocity. Killzone 3's 8.5 seems justified to me

BPoole96

Wrong. People freaking out over ODST's 9.0 are the multiplayer-centric crowd. ODST has a quality campaign with some beautiful atmospheric touches that just hasn't been seen in Halo before. And Firefight presented an awesome new way to play cooperatively in Halo.

Trust me, it deserved a 9. Any fan of singleplayer shooters will tell you that. The fact that it is an expansion to Halo 3 and uses the same graphics engine is basically what ticked people off. But it's a gem and it goes unappreciated because kids these days only want to run forward in a straight line shooting angry looking targets instead of trying to sidestep around enemies, avoid danger and scavenge the limited supplies available to them as they find the clues to their teammates and see the story of the city unfold through the various audio logs. It was an expansion, didn't have multiplayer of its own and people over-reacted, but ODST is a case of quality over quantity.

And while an 8.5 isn't much different than a 9.0,Killzone 3's 8.5 probably stems from the fact it more than likely involves running in a straight line shooting angry targets and that's what the kids love these days. Oh and it has a new multiplayer component. The kids love that too.

I think games are judged based on how well they use the modes they have, not the quantity of modes, and ODST used each of its modesreally well.

Figured I would be wrong when I base the game off of things I've learned about it in SWs

yea, ODST was by far my favorite Halo Campaign. i had a lot of fun with it...played it more than a few times over. the atmosphere, the music, the story...it was all just well done. to see some people call it an astrocity on here is a shame. it's one of the better games, or FPS, of this gen. like the poster above you said, if you like to run and gun and just shoot things and keep moving...KZ3 is for you. if you want to actually experience something a little different and interesting, try ODST.

The TC did himself a disservice comparing this KZ3 to ODST if you ask me. he only did so basing it on the scores alone and not the actual games.

dude i know maths and I can tell you this... 9 > 8.5.

Firebird-5

[QUOTE="Firebird-5"]

dude i know maths and I can tell you this... 9 > 8.5.

lx_theo

9 is greater than 8.5? the difference is 0.5. that's 1/2. that's one half.

if you cut an apple in two you'd have two halves. that's 0.5.

[QUOTE="LucidJubilation"]

[QUOTE="dabigsiebowski"] lol dude now your taking this a little too seriously and are calling upon a punishment I have yet to earn.... are you jealous because I try opening the eyes of people who are glued to a certain franchise without giving Killzone 3 a shot to see what it has to offer? Have you played it? Or have you bought every single halo game and convinced yourself that all of em are masterpieces without considering what another franchise has to offer?dabigsiebowski

seriously...are you drunk?? you have been reading too many poems you sound like a ****. no wonder ur friends rob you if you come off like this is real life at all.

anyway, like in my last post in this thread...in comparison, both the last halo's games(ODST and Reach) offer more than Killzone 3 does...so what exactly are people missing. cool graphics that impress YOU so much?

people in the thread are having an intelligent discussion AROUND you...u yourself have been and only are speaking utter nonsense. and no...i'm not a halo fanatic. i play the games but they are far from my favorites. well actually ODST is my favorite fps for recently. but i don't play fps's online really neway, i usually just play the campaigns. i'm more into rpg's and sports games. i play it all friend.

and how can you have an opinion on something, a game, you havent even played? then make a topic about how it doesn't desereve the score it got...? not to mention that KZ3's campaign is only 6, MAYBE 7 hours long itselfs. so why is ODST's campaign length an issue to u n not KZ3's. smh...i'm done talking to you.

ODST was pretty bad imo,but im not a fan of fps on console because they are so slow in the first place...i woulda given it a 7.5 at most...kz3 8.5 is a good score for it.

I think most people agree that ODST's 9.0 is an atrocity. Killzone 3's 8.5 seems justified to me

BPoole96

another butthurt fanboy

oh joy, another thread where cows whine that flopzone is better than halo despite scores

how original :roll:

[QUOTE="BPoole96"]

I think most people agree that ODST's 9.0 is an atrocity. Killzone 3's 8.5 seems justified to me

WilliamRLBaker

More damage control? Sorry here on System Wars Gamespot reviews are final, no whining can change it. I can say that "Dude I play MGS4 and I can tell you this... Alan Wake 8.5>MGS4 10" But on System Wars MGS4 is a "better" game. Just like how ODST is a "better" game than Killzone 3.

dude i know maths and I can tell you this... 9 > 8.5.

Firebird-5

killzone 3 >>>>>>> halo odst

but

halo reach >>>>>>>>>>>> killzone 3