due to poor sales of the PS3... The fate of FFXIII and MGS4?

Let's face it: PS3 sales are embarassing for Sony, especially after the PS2. I don't believe MGS4 nor FFXIII would have begun to be made for the PS3 if square and kojima knew how this would turn out. With no glimmer of a price drop in site and Sony's continueing with bad-decision-making, do you think its actually possibly for MGS4 and FFXIII to get underwhelming sales? How many fans of japanese games will be willing to shell out the 560 - 720 for one or both of these titles on either PS3 SKU? It'd be a very symbolic event towards sony's downfall.
justdog11

Let's face it: PS3 sales are embarassing for Sony, especially after the PS2. I don't believe MGS4 nor FFXIII would have begun to be made for the PS3 if square and kojima knew how this would turn out. With no glimmer of a price drop in site and Sony's continueing with bad-decision-making, do you think its actually possibly for MGS4 and FFXIII to get underwhelming sales? How many fans of japanese games will be willing to shell out the 560 - 720 for one or both of these titles on either PS3 SKU? It'd be a very symbolic event towards sony's downfall.
justdog11

The sales might be embarassing now, but just wait until it launches in Europe before you say that.Baird-06

Haven't they been gradually screwing europe over throughout their last sparring announcements?...  Perhaps your right, but I don't understand how europeans can stand being gamers at all-- always getting things later.

Best idea would be to release it for the PS2.MTBare

Now I don't quite agree with that, because even I appreciate the PS3/xbox360's graphical powers to make games more immersive.  I'd rather SEE MGS4 on PS3.... I just would never buy a 500-600$ console just for it.

[QUOTE="MTBare"]Best idea would be to release it for the PS2.justdog11

Now I don't quite agree with that, because even I appreciate the PS3/xbox360's graphical powers to make games more immersive. I'd rather SEE MGS4 on PS3.... I just would never buy a 500-600$ console just for it.

[QUOTE="MTBare"]Best idea would be to release it for the PS2.justdog11

Now I don't quite agree with that, because even I appreciate the PS3/xbox360's graphical powers to make games more immersive.  I'd rather SEE MGS4 on PS3.... I just would never buy a 500-600$ console just for it.

[QUOTE="MTBare"]Best idea would be to release it for the PS2.justdog11

Now I don't quite agree with that, because even I appreciate the PS3/xbox360's graphical powers to make games more immersive. I'd rather SEE MGS4 on PS3.... I just would never buy a 500-600$ console just for it.

lol. haters hating and begging for PS3 exclusives.

you haters keep proving that PS3 has better exclusives.
xxThyLordxx

[QUOTE="xxThyLordxx"]lol. haters hating and begging for PS3 exclusives.

you haters keep proving that PS3 has better exclusives.
lawlessx

[QUOTE="lawlessx"][QUOTE="xxThyLordxx"]lol. haters hating and begging for PS3 exclusives.

you haters keep proving that PS3 has better exclusives.
xxThyLordxx

The sales might be embarassing now, but just wait until it launches in Europe before you say that.Baird-06

Who here thinks 360 will fall in the same fate as the original?HazeNPopes

Who here thinks 360 will fall in the same fate as the original?HazeNPopes

I thought the xbox did astounding for Microsoft's first gaming outing.  You forget Sony already had the power and 3rd party relations from PS1 to work with.  Xbox1 is kind of like a "rocky balboa"-esque success story: Didn't really win, but the point is made.  However, I feel that 360 is now the one in the "3rd party head-start" seat.  the list of "surethingtitles" for PS3 may include gargantuan names, but thats it for the list,  in similarity with Wii.* the 360 is actually the only one really cleaning house on future 3rd party line-up...

...and I for one am tired of most games being saved until the holiday season! X.x Good games should come out year round!  But I digress...

*fixed a bit

those games won't be released until early 2008 and by then hideo and square will decide wether to port them to 360 or not depending on how the fate of the ps3 lookssolidsnakeo

Do you think it'll be that easy?  I have no idea wether a game built ground-up for PS3 on blu-ray can easily be transfered to DVD9 360.  What do you think?

[QUOTE="HazeNPopes"]Who here thinks 360 will fall in the same fate as the original?justdog11

I thought the xbox did astounding for Microsoft's first gaming outing. You forget Sony already had the power and 3rd party relations from PS1 to work with. Xbox1 is kind of like a "rocky balboa"-esque success story: Didn't really win, but the point is made. However, I feel that 360 is now the one in the "3rd party head-start" seat. the list of "surethingtitles" for PS3 may include gargantuan names, but thats it for the list. in similarity with Wii, the 360 is actually the only one really cleaning house on future 3rd party line-up...

...and I for one am tired of most games being saved until the holiday season! X.x Good games should come out year round! But I digress...

[QUOTE="solidsnakeo"]those games won't be released until early 2008 and by then hideo and square will decide wether to port them to 360 or not depending on how the fate of the ps3 looksjustdog11

Do you think it'll be that easy?  I have no idea wether a game built ground-up for PS3 on blu-ray can easily be transfered to DVD9 360.  What do you think?

[QUOTE="justdog11"]

[QUOTE="HazeNPopes"]Who here thinks 360 will fall in the same fate as the original?xxThyLordxx

I thought the xbox did astounding for Microsoft's first gaming outing. You forget Sony already had the power and 3rd party relations from PS1 to work with. Xbox1 is kind of like a "rocky balboa"-esque success story: Didn't really win, but the point is made. However, I feel that 360 is now the one in the "3rd party head-start" seat. the list of "surethingtitles" for PS3 may include gargantuan names, but thats it for the list. in similarity with Wii, the 360 is actually the only one really cleaning house on future 3rd party line-up...

...and I for one am tired of most games being saved until the holiday season! X.x Good games should come out year round! But I digress...

They'll never make it to #1?  I suggest you take a good look.  Even though I feel it could have done better for having such a decent-lengthed head-start this gen, it is really looking capable.  While we're sharing patterns I wanted to point out Nintendo's double victory with nes and snes then defeat... If I'm reading your tarot cards correctly perhaps that means sony could follow suit with ps1 to 2 to 3?  PS3 could very much so end up being number one with its high profile releases, I jsut don't see that price dropping anytime soon and it really is a shame.

[QUOTE="justdog11"]Let's face it: PS3 sales are embarassing for Sony, especially after the PS2. I don't believe MGS4 nor FFXIII would have begun to be made for the PS3 if square and kojima knew how this would turn out. With no glimmer of a price drop in site and Sony's continueing with bad-decision-making, do you think its actually possibly for MGS4 and FFXIII to get underwhelming sales? How many fans of japanese games will be willing to shell out the 560 - 720 for one or both of these titles on either PS3 SKU? It'd be a very symbolic event towards sony's downfall.
Hammerofjustice

[QUOTE="Hammerofjustice"][QUOTE="justdog11"]Let's face it: PS3 sales are embarassing for Sony, especially after the PS2. I don't believe MGS4 nor FFXIII would have begun to be made for the PS3 if square and kojima knew how this would turn out. With no glimmer of a price drop in site and Sony's continueing with bad-decision-making, do you think its actually possibly for MGS4 and FFXIII to get underwhelming sales? How many fans of japanese games will be willing to shell out the 560 - 720 for one or both of these titles on either PS3 SKU? It'd be a very symbolic event towards sony's downfall.
jxditu

Good question.  My curiosity is spiked as well.  Why did'nt they?

[QUOTE="xxThyLordxx"][QUOTE="lawlessx"][QUOTE="xxThyLordxx"]lol. haters hating and begging for PS3 exclusives.

you haters keep proving that PS3 has better exclusives.
lawlessx

[QUOTE="HazeNPopes"]Who here thinks 360 will fall in the same fate as the original?justdog11

I thought the xbox did astounding for Microsoft's first gaming outing. You forget Sony already had the power and 3rd party relations from PS1 to work with. Xbox1 is kind of like a "rocky balboa"-esque success story: Didn't really win, but the point is made. However, I feel that 360 is now the one in the "3rd party head-start" seat. the list of "surethingtitles" for PS3 may include gargantuan names, but thats it for the list, in similarity with Wii.* the 360 is actually the only one really cleaning house on future 3rd party line-up...

...and I for one am tired of most games being saved until the holiday season! X.x Good games should come out year round! But I digress...

*fixed a bit

To answer the TC main topic: The future of both games: a extreme success. Simple as that. They will sell. And they will boost the PS3 sales so much it will hurt stupid fanboys. And I do believe Sony is holding these two games with a iron leash.

And to call the PS3 sales so far as poor is being somewhat misinformed. Its not stelar, nope, its not, but isnt as weak as some want to believe. Why not doing a comparison about the X360 at the same time after launch and say think about it again. Then, maybe, I wouldnt have to use this ***** point so many times. Its tiring. PS3 sales are better than X360 at the same time last year(launch window), best than PS2 at the same time after launch, and heck, its not even out in Europe yet.

Why make such topics, if some basic research will tell the history? And to let those who will problably quote me: I do know that MS had problems to keep the X360 coming out of the assembling lines after launch, that MS had many problems with the earlier X360 series and its "red lights" and other problems. Every new hardware will have such problems, and interesting enough, this time around, Sony didnt had as many.

MY point is, PS3 is out for barelly 4 months, and what I see every ****** day is at least one thread where we had a main topic: "PS3 is dead, or that or this main game will be ported to X360". Its annoying to say the least, because it simply is a atempt to create another flame wars. If you'd asked me last year if the X360 would be dead this early, I would outright LMAO at you. And I do the same thing every single time someone writes that PS3 is dead. I love information, and I dig every thing I can on what Im interested to know. This kind of topics are absurd to me. SE will release something for X360, as well as Konami will and is releasing games for it, but its main games, the ones that happens to sell best in JAPAN (FF series sell millions on week one there, as well as MGS) will be on PS3, wich outsold X360 japanese sales 3x in four months. While I do think MSG hold more of a chance (and even thats not likely to happen) to be ported to X360 or PC at some time, FFXIII is pretty much PS3 only. Both companies rely too much on Sony to try and go multiplat with these games. And that is my opinon.

As for the EU, there are 27 countries on it. So, where is easier to launch at? 2 countries, or 27? Different region encodes as well? NTSC for both US and Japan, or 27 countries with MPAL? I think thats the main reason Europe always receive their launchs after the main US and Jp launches.

Let's face it: PS3 sales are embarassing for Sony, especially after the PS2. I don't believe MGS4 nor FFXIII would have begun to be made for the PS3 if square and kojima knew how this would turn out. With no glimmer of a price drop in site and Sony's continueing with bad-decision-making, do you think its actually possibly for MGS4 and FFXIII to get underwhelming sales? How many fans of japanese games will be willing to shell out the 560 - 720 for one or both of these titles on either PS3 SKU? It'd be a very symbolic event towards sony's downfall.
justdog11

isnt this like the #59686495867946874586u7458674967934875394875394875349857349857349875 thread on this subject.

when will this topic ever die, ffxiii is being up from the ground on PS3 with their new white engine so unless they want to create a bunch of extra costs to then develop on 360, with them in financial trouble already, its unlikely that FFXII will be going 360 anytime soon. Its pretty much guaranteed that FFXIII will sell millions on ps3's and people will buy ps3's for this game. Also by time this is out more people would have bought it anyway as a few good games will be available etc.

MGS4 also won't be going to 360 as Kojima has said many times, its not going to 360. He's bringing a new IP to the 360 but after MGS dismal sales on the x box, what is the real incentive to take it to 360?

PS2 and PS = MGS HAD INSANE AMOUNT OF SALES = $$$

X box = Severely poor sales = $

There is no logical reason he would put it on 360 because it simply wouldn't sell well, he's said its ps3 exclusive, stuff can only be done on the cell (i find that hard to believe but if he thinks it, another reason why not going to 360), he wants to do something different on 360.

Enough of this topic, those two titles are staying on PS3 unless something absoloutely massive happens.

e.g. the world implodes

isnt this like the #59686495867946874586u7458674967934875394875394875349857349857349875 thread on this subject.

when will this topic ever die, ffxiii is being up from the ground on PS3 with their new white engine so unless they want to create a bunch of extra costs to then develop on 360, with them in financial trouble already, its unlikely that FFXII will be going 360 anytime soon. Its pretty much guaranteed that FFXIII will sell millions on ps3's and people will buy ps3's for this game. Also by time this is out more people would have bought it anyway as a few good games will be available etc.

MGS4 also won't be going to 360 as Kojima has said many times, its not going to 360. He's bringing a new IP to the 360 but after MGS dismal sales on the x box, what is the real incentive to take it to 360?

PS2 and PS = MGS HAD INSANE AMOUNT OF SALES = $$$

X box = Severely poor sales = $

There is no logical reason he would put it on 360 because it simply wouldn't sell well, he's said its ps3 exclusive, stuff can only be done on the cell (i find that hard to believe but if he thinks it, another reason why not going to 360), he wants to do something different on 360.

Enough of this topic, those two titles are staying on PS3 unless something absoloutely massive happens.

e.g. the world implodes

IchigoKurasaki

While it's true that the next FF will use the White engine, but it's also true that Squeenix has licensed the Unreal 3.0 engine. If the White engine is so great, why would they do that? My guess would be to make the games easier to cross-platform. The Unreal engine is primarily meant to work with DirectX. Will it be used on any of the FF games further down the line? That's the question.

As far as I'm aware, neither Squeenix nor Konami has mentioned anything about FF or MGS continuing exlusively on the PS3. Then again, they haven't said they'll go multiplatform either, so at this point it's all guesswork anyway.

Besides, MGS has already appeared on the Gamecube and Xbox.

stupidest thread ever?

PS3 outsold Xbox 360 at launch. I think it was PS3 at 1m and Xbox360 had 660k at launch.  AND WHATS THIS! Xbox 360 had a wordwide launch, PS# ISENT OUT IN EUROPE AND OTHER PLACES.

stupidest thread ever?

PS3 outsold Xbox 360 at launch. I think it was PS3 at 1m and Xbox360 had 660k at launch.  AND WHATS THIS! Xbox 360 had a wordwide launch, PS# ISENT OUT IN EUROPE AND OTHER PLACES.

Haseokicksass

If you actually looked at sales figures, you would know that the numbers aren't far off the pace of ps2 after the first few monthsflabjab93

If he actually looked he'll see that PS3 is actually outselling xbox 360  comparing their first 3 Months

[QUOTE="Haseokicksass"]

stupidest thread ever?

PS3 outsold Xbox 360 at launch. I think it was PS3 at 1m and Xbox360 had 660k at launch.  AND WHATS THIS! Xbox 360 had a wordwide launch, PS# ISENT OUT IN EUROPE AND OTHER PLACES.

GrlGmr

Its PS3 who had the worse suplying issues SIR.