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#51 LEGEND_C4A
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[QUOTE="Danm_999"][QUOTE="Out_Kast3000"]

[QUOTE="cakeorrdeath"][QUOTE="Out_Kast3000"]They all use the same engine and code or whatever. It's one of the reason they could all fit on a DVD.Out_Kast3000

you are misinformed

Misinformed about what?

That the games in the Orange Box run on the same engine as COD4 and Assassin's Creed. They do not.

I wasn't saying that they run on the same engine.


I was saying all the games in the orange box run on the same engine.

I don't know if i'm right or not, someone please correct me, but the engine can be the same, but it doesn't mean that the engine runs the same on different platforms! yes? no?

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#52 jyoung312
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Did you even read the original link it says that the EUROPEAN RELEASE is delayed! The Europe release of most games gets delayed due to localization, etc. NA release is still a go for December 11th. No conspiracy just lazy EA taking the cheap way out
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#53 LEGEND_C4A
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out_kast if I may ask, how old are you? I'm just curious about how old is the mind who is thinking about conspiracy theories in something as innocent as video games. if we can call video games innoncent anymore. :-(
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#54 LEGEND_C4A
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out_kast if I may ask, how old are you? I'm just curious about how old is the mind who is thinking about conspiracy theories in something as innocent as video games. if we can call video games innoncent anymore. :(
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#56 asdasd
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Hey OP... Read your own damn link..

" EA has just revealed in its latest European release schedule that Half Life 2: The Orange Box on Playstation 3 has been delayed again."

This has nothing to do with Sony or MS. Its just delayed in Europe for localization and **** like that. (Like almost every other game)

Guess I was beat to it :P

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#57 WuTangG
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Thats why EA screwed over MS with XBL:?

You Cows are on your last legs now, this is just outrageously silly

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#58 toxicmog
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Asassins creed had problems.

And its not even said that AC is going to be the same on both consoles till someone reviews it ;)

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#59 hywel69
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Yawn... Time = Money Vavle = PC developer used to program for DirectX an API the 360 shares with the PC. ergo its easier for Vavle to Code for 360. 360 has over twice the install base, and almost twice the attach rate for games. So far in summary 360 Faster to develop for Directx based companies (of which there are many) Combining attach rate and sales, possible X4 sales ceiling for 360. LOL...if you were in the business of making MONEY...where would you concentrate your efforts? Teh "power" or whatever of the PS3 is irrelevant..Sony did not get the marketing mix right (price, place, product, promotion). It's simply more profitable for devs to focus on the 360. There are a few expections. The devs of Unreal Engine have licensed it to Sony. Once they have a solid dev platform, they will RESELL it to other devs of PS3 to make their life easier. Thats why Epic are pushing UT3 on PS3 so much. In the end all it is, is an enhanced re-hash of the Gears Engine, except in runs on PS3. Still for the PS3 crowd it may mean some games can actualy come out on time (since Unreal Engine will make it more like 360/PC to code for). Sony failed big time in giving most devs what they want.Devs matter since they make the games.
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#60 OremLK
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[QUOTE="OremLK"]

Brainwashed? We're not the ones espousing silly conspiracy theories as if there's any chance of them being true.

Just because a few developers say the PS3 is easy, that doesn't mean it will be for most of them, and most especially those who have only developed for the PC and the Xbox in the past (like, say, Valve).

EDIT: I will agree, though, that EA fails hard. But not because of this.

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Silly conspiracy theories? There is not need for silly conspiracy theories. You see, in the real world, Microsoft does enough shady things to make conspiracy theories irrelevant.

I seriously wouldn't put it past Microsoft to pay publishers and developers to funnel games and timed exclusivity to their console. They've done it with PC games, so why not with PS3 as well?

I laugh at all of these lemming fools that discount Microsofts shady dealings. These near sighted nitwits don't see what MS is trying to accomplish: control of your living room. No holds barred.

Instead of achieving through quality,Microsoft has traditionally fulfilledtheir objectives by buying out, paying off or undercutting their competition illegally. Want proof? Look up a list of lawsuits brought on by governments throughout the world against Microsoft. Want further proof? Look at all of the lawsuits brought up in the private sector.

Do your own researching.

Conspiracy theories? No there is no need for those. Microsoft does enough in the real world to make it plainly obvious to anyone with an IQ to see how they conduct business.

I'd like links to supposed payoffs Microsoft has made and the resolutions of said cases. I can't remember Microsoft "undercutting" in anything recently, either--they have the most expensive operating system, office software, and so on.

And of course they're maintaining a monopoly, but the most important reason they're able to do that is because people are letting them do it by purchasing their products. (Linux and Mac are equally if not more viable these days for home, business, technical, and multimedia purposes, but companies and individuals still buy Windows.) Notice that most lawsuits against Microsoft have been from European governments who dislike free capitalism and prefer no corporations to be large and powerful. They'll take a bite out of MS whenever they can, just for that reason.

Besides, do you honestly think Sony isn't trying to control your living room? They're the ones who felt the need to incorporate an HD video player into their gaming console. They've also had their own share of debacles, like the DRM Rootkit on music CDs disaster.

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Orange box for the PS3 has been delayed again to 08. http://www.n4g.com/News-82247.aspx

Things we need to look at including Orange BOX being delayed.

Microsoft pays off publishers/devs. They recently paid EA for something, I think it had something to with EA sports. I don't remember, but they paid them millions for something.

EA is the biggest 3rd party publisher worldwide(they have the money and resources to keep everything up to par between the consoles) yet they're the main developers that have these "problems" that delay ps3 games months later or they can't put games up to par(Madden 08, even though it was never that big).

Games like Call of Duty 4, Oblivion, Assassisn Creed, etc. have come to look better on the PS3 or are on par and CoD4 and AC releasing both versions SAME DAY. There's no way EA should be having these "problems". Even if it were 100% true, EA has more money and resources than any other 3rd party publisher. They should be able to fix "problems" easily.

People at Ubisoft(GRAW) have said that the PS3 is not really more difficult to code for, it's just newer.

Peter Moore(former microsoft games division vice-president) recenetly transfered to work for EA a few months ago.

Gabe Newell and the other guy at Valve have hated on the PS3 with stupid comments.(HL2 Orange Box developers.)

Go Back to the Skate commercials. They Only ever marketed the 360 version and never the PS3 version. The only time EA has ever given Sony any type of marketing love this gen is with the Simpsons Game(face_plain)

So I just went to the EA site and saw an ad linking to the XBOX thing linking to the XBOX site(go to it to see what I mean). No mention of PS3 anywhere actually on the front page.

There's a lot more examples that I just can' think of atm becuase it's so late.

When you look at all the evidence it proves that EA is anti-Sony, and likely becuase of a secret deal they have with Microsoft. I'm almost ready to boycott EA, and I think many of you should think about doing the same.

EA and Microsoft = FAILURES

Out_Kast3000

could be true. not going to boycott EA because of this though.

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#62 Guiltfeeder566
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Most of those have perfectly reasonable explanations.
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Ever think that maybe they started developing it for the 360 first, then started on the PS3 version?
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Orange box for the PS3 has been delayed again to 08. http://www.n4g.com/News-82247.aspx

Things we need to look at including Orange BOX being delayed.

Microsoft pays off publishers/devs. They recently paid EA for something, I think it had something to with EA sports. I don't remember, but they paid them millions for something.

EA is the biggest 3rd party publisher worldwide(they have the money and resources to keep everything up to par between the consoles) yet they're the main developers that have these "problems" that delay ps3 games months later or they can't put games up to par(Madden 08, even though it was never that big).

Games like Call of Duty 4, Oblivion, Assassisn Creed, etc. have come to look better on the PS3 or are on par and CoD4 and AC releasing both versions SAME DAY. There's no way EA should be having these "problems". Even if it were 100% true, EA has more money and resources than any other 3rd party publisher. They should be able to fix "problems" easily.

People at Ubisoft(GRAW) have said that the PS3 is not really more difficult to code for, it's just newer.

Peter Moore(former microsoft games division vice-president) recenetly transfered to work for EA a few months ago.

Gabe Newell and the other guy at Valve have hated on the PS3 with stupid comments.(HL2 Orange Box developers.)

Go Back to the Skate commercials. They Only ever marketed the 360 version and never the PS3 version. The only time EA has ever given Sony any type of marketing love this gen is with the Simpsons Game(face_plain)

So I just went to the EA site and saw an ad linking to the XBOX thing linking to the XBOX site(go to it to see what I mean). No mention of PS3 anywhere actually on the front page.

There's a lot more examples that I just can' think of atm becuase it's so late.

When you look at all the evidence it proves that EA is anti-Sony, and likely becuase of a secret deal they have with Microsoft. I'm almost ready to boycott EA, and I think many of you should think about doing the same.

EA and Microsoft = FAILURES

Out_Kast3000

You've done it!! You've cracked the seedy underbelly of the video game industry! Where kickbacks and bribes rule the day, and honest, decent companies like Sony bravely soldier on. Oh but it goes much deeper than this, my friend. You've only scratched the surface. Keep digging and you'll find that not only did Microsoft pay EA to delay the Orange Box and developers such as Gabe Newell to say bad things about the PS3, they also paid Sony to act extremely arrogant and confuse the public by releasing a high priced DVD player that has the capability to play games. Not content with that manipulation, Microsoft bribed Sony to invest all that money in the Cell, before making Sony abandon it completely a year into the PS3's lifecycle. There is no end to Microsoft's evil!! And they would have gotten away with it too, if it wasn't for you meddling kids and your mangy dog!!111!!11!1!!!1

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#65 strudel420
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My eyes have been opened!
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#66 -TheSecondSign-
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And why should I care? :|

It's business. Everyone makesa huge deal out of it. Who cares if EA is working in cahoots with Microsoft? It's just because they're better off right now.

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#67 axes03
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this thread is too funny!!!
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#68 deactivated-5ac102a4472fe
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This post is in no way ment to be offensive, altho somepeople might think of it as a bad joke.

To the OP. your reasoning does have similarities to cetain medical... unstabilities(?) and this is in no way ment to be a provocation, but have you tryied listening to your own reasoning, if yes, have you tryied talking to an expert in the area (the mental instutution).

I ask primarily because I kindaremembering that Ithe same way of arguing, and turned out that I suffered from Paronoia.

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#69 Dante2710
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:lol: another cow comes up with another conspiracy
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So to make sure I got this straight. Its EA and M$'s fault because Sony developed a console thats virtually impossible to develop games for, but plays the hell out of Blu Ray movies....

"(the PS3) is not a game machine..."
- Ken Kutaragi, Regarding the machine's beefy hardware architecture

:shock:

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#71 -Tretiak
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Dear God, OutKast, stay at IGN. We don't need your filthy threads and ridiculous theories here.
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#72 Out_Kast3000
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I seriously can't believe how hard some people fail here.

I've gave several reasonable smart examples and you guys are just marking it off as "paranoia"? That's stupid. Open your eyes and stop being brainwashed "lemmings".

I seriously can't wait for it to come out when an EA/Microsoft employee comes out and tells about the shady business that's going on.

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#73 Out_Kast3000
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So to make sure I got this straight. Its EA and M$'s fault because Sony developed a console thats virtually impossible to develop games for, but plays the hell out of Blu Ray movies....

"(the PS3) is not a game machine..."
- Ken Kutaragi, Regarding the machine's beefy hardware architecture

:shock:

Magical_Zebra

No, fail.

I love how people like to try and misquote/misconstrue Sony.

He's obviously talking about how powerful it is and how it can do so many things.

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#74 QuasidodoJr
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While I won't say I agree with the TC's theory, at this point, I wouldn't put it past Microsoft to be paying publishers, or offering them other incentives, to delay PS3 versions of their games. Infinity Ward didn't seem to have any problems getting their game out on the PS3 with a simultaneous release, along with many other recent releases. Just because the PS2 was the favored platform, last generation, EA didn't delay Xbox versions of their games. Because, I'm sorry, but you'd have to be completely daft to think the 360 doesn't benefit from the situation. People who own both the 360 and PS3 are going to buy it on 360 because it's there first, or looking into the bigger picture, will take that into consideration when deciding which console to purchase.

Microsoft's not afraid to throw money around. This is the same company that bought the publishing rights from Tecmo for Ninja Gaiden 2 to make sure it stayed 360 exclusive, paid Rockstar a boatload of money for exclusive GTA 4 content and has helped and supported HD DVD, not only with products, but also financially, only with the intent of throwing a wrench in Sony's Blu-ray format. Anyone who thinks Microsoft's not willing to play dirty by dipping into their pockets is full of themselves. And no, I don't think Sony hasn't done likewise in the past. I'm sure they have.

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I seriously can't believe how hard some people fail here.

I've gave several reasonable smart examples and you guys are just marking it off as "paranoia"? That's stupid. Open your eyes and stop being brainwashed "lemmings".

I seriously can't wait for it to come out when an EA/Microsoft employee comes out and tells about the shady business that's going on.

Out_Kast3000

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_sense

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lmfao so thats the cow excuse now. microsoft is paying off teh ea gamez!
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If you would play the Wii and ps3 versions of Madden, you will notice how rushed and bugged the game is compared to the 360 version which got special treatment from EA.
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#78 Magical_Zebra
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[QUOTE="Magical_Zebra"]

So to make sure I got this straight. Its EA and M$'s fault because Sony developed a console thats virtually impossible to develop games for, but plays the hell out of Blu Ray movies....

"(the PS3) is not a game machine..."
- Ken Kutaragi, Regarding the machine's beefy hardware architecture

:shock:

Out_Kast3000

No, fail.

I love how people like to try and misquote/misconstrue Sony.

He's obviously talking about how powerful it is and how it can do so many things.

Hey Andre 3000? I didnt say it chuck, your beloved company Sony did... :shock:

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lmfao so thats the cow excuse now. microsoft is paying off teh ea gamez!shoeman12

Cow Logic 101 tells me massive damage control will follow... :shock:

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Ps3 is garbage much worse off then the Xbox 1 was last gen. EA knows this accept it and move on.
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#81 Gamer46
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Orange box for the PS3 has been delayed again to 08. http://www.n4g.com/News-82247.aspx

Things we need to look at including Orange BOX being delayed.

Microsoft pays off publishers/devs. They recently paid EA for something, I think it had something to with EA sports. I don't remember, but they paid them millions for something.

EA is the biggest 3rd party publisher worldwide(they have the money and resources to keep everything up to par between the consoles) yet they're the main developers that have these "problems" that delay ps3 games months later or they can't put games up to par(Madden 08, even though it was never that big).

Games like Call of Duty 4, Oblivion, Assassisn Creed, etc. have come to look better on the PS3 or are on par and CoD4 and AC releasing both versions SAME DAY. There's no way EA should be having these "problems". Even if it were 100% true, EA has more money and resources than any other 3rd party publisher. They should be able to fix "problems" easily.

People at Ubisoft(GRAW) have said that the PS3 is not really more difficult to code for, it's just newer.

Peter Moore(former microsoft games division vice-president) recenetly transfered to work for EA a few months ago.

Gabe Newell and the other guy at Valve have hated on the PS3 with stupid comments.(HL2 Orange Box developers.)

Go Back to the Skate commercials. They Only ever marketed the 360 version and never the PS3 version. The only time EA has ever given Sony any type of marketing love this gen is with the Simpsons Game(face_plain)

So I just went to the EA site and saw an ad linking to the XBOX thing linking to the XBOX site(go to it to see what I mean). No mention of PS3 anywhere actually on the front page.

There's a lot more examples that I just can' think of atm becuase it's so late.

When you look at all the evidence it proves that EA is anti-Sony, and likely becuase of a secret deal they have with Microsoft. I'm almost ready to boycott EA, and I think many of you should think about doing the same.

EA and Microsoft = FAILURES

Out_Kast3000

I think that not being a fanboy would be a better idea.

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Damn you Bill Gates stay out of my mind!

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#83 thirstychainsaw
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Microsoft and EA obviously developed a mind control device and obviously are tell people not to buy games :|
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I Fail extremely hard.

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#85 QuasidodoJr
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Ps3 is garbage much worse off then the Xbox 1 was last gen. EA knows this accept it and move on.Nugtoka
Not really. The original Xbox really struggled in sales its first year, as the only good game it had was Halo.
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#86 ocdog45
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there is too many games for any console now. and i send that game back cause there just is too much. ill play it during the drought of games every year.
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#87 Blackbond
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EA didn't make the PS3 hard to Dev for Sony did.
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[QUOTE="Nugtoka"]Ps3 is garbage much worse off then the Xbox 1 was last gen. EA knows this accept it and move on.QuasidodoJr
Not really. The original Xbox really struggled in sales its first year, as the only good game it had was Halo.

And? ever take a close look at PS3 lately?

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#89 PullTheTricker
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You're going to boycot EA and cause even worse software sales for the PS3? :lol:

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#90 Art_424
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So I just found out what cow means and that is, me.

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fixed

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#91 Gamer46
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[QUOTE="xfire3"]

the first flaw in your argument is, Assassins creed isnt out yet and hasnt really had any legit comparisons yet. (also by the way it will probably look better on 360 since thats the system they have been showing the public)

Secondly, its pretty much been roven a few times over that call of duty looks slightly better. In my opinion, it doesnt make a difference, but for you to say it looks better on ps3 is basically downright false.

Out_Kast3000

LOL, there's been reviews on Assassins Creed already and other people from sites have seen both builds from the game.

LOL@ Call of Duty 4 looking better on the 360. This has never been proven. It's only been proven it looks slightly better on the PS3. Stop saying stuff if you have no knowledge on it.

Take your own advice.

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#92 BreakingPoint8
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Damn you Bill Gates stay out of my mind!

Forget you guys, that was funny.
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#93 QuasidodoJr
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EA didn't make the PS3 hard to Dev for Sony did.Blackbond
Again, if that were entirely the case, wouldn't every company be having the same problems? Why was Infinity Ward (developing their first game for the PS3) able to deliver simultaneously? Why is Io Interactive (developing for their first time on the PS3) able to simultaneously deliver? And Starbreeze Studios with The Darkness? Alchemic Productions with Clive Barker's Jericho? Nihilistic with Conan? SEGA Racing Std. with SEGA Rally Revo? Neversoft with Guitar Hero 3 and Tony Hawk's Proving Ground? Visual Concepts with NBA 2K8? 2K Sports with NHL 2K8? Koei with Dynasty Warriors: Gundam?

Shouldn't this problem be all across the board and not just on certain games?

Again, I'm not trying to say I completely agree with the TC's initial post and theory. But I don't think anyone should act like he's crazy to think some money exchanges might be an actual possible reason for some of the PS3 game delays. It's not like any of the Big Three are against playing dirty. They all have a corporate side.

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#94 3picuri3
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wow - that's one random string of sentences you got goin there.
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#95 sparkypants
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Im not calling consperisy because thats alittle silly but there is no denying EA is kidda kicking PS3 to the side (wheter 360 is involved or not). I mean the KEY POINT in you thread that I 100% agree upon is the whole "PS3 is harder to develope on" is BS! If Activison,Ubisoft and countless other companies are coming out and saying "it isnt hard...just new and takes getting used to." let me ask why is it Assians Creed and CoD4 can look good on both systems(excatlly the same I should say) released on the same day while it takes EA longer...maybe its not a consperisy maybe the developers are just lazy. Who knows? Just ignore it its there choice if they chose to lose money on a system thats they're fault.

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#96 Pajamasalad
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EA Software Sales Three Months Leading up to September 30th

Xbox 360 - $218 million
PlayStation 2 - $73 million
Nintendo Wii - $59 million
Nintendo DS - $47 million
PlayStation Portable - $21 million
PlayStation 3 - $17 million

http://kotaku.com/gaming/electronic-arts/ea-sales-broken-down-by-platform-retailer-320179.php

Could this be a reason why?

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#97 sparkypants
Member since 2007 • 2609 Posts

Forget you guys, that was funny.
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I thought it was,in fact Im gonna sig it

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#98 Blackbond
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[QUOTE="Blackbond"]EA didn't make the PS3 hard to Dev for Sony did.QuasidodoJr

Again, if that were entirely the case, wouldn't every company be having the same problems? Why was Infinity Ward (developing their first game for the PS3) able to deliver simultaneously? Why is Io Interactive (developing for their first time on the PS3) able to simultaneously deliver? And Starbreeze Studios with The Darkness? Alchemic Productions with Clive Barker's Jericho? Nihilistic with Conan? SEGA Racing Std. with SEGA Rally Revo? Neversoft with Guitar Hero 3 and Tony Hawk's Proving Ground? Visual Concepts with NBA 2K8? 2K Sports with NHL 2K8? Koei with Dynasty Warriors: Gundam?

Shouldn't this problem be all across the board and not just on certain games?

Again, I'm not trying to say I completely agree with the TC's initial post and theory. But I don't think anyone should act like he's crazy to think some money exchanges might be an actual possible reason for some of the PS3 game delays. It's not like any of the Big Three are against playing dirty. They all have a corporate side.

Not at all. Some devs obviously have different skill sets and different skill levels. What one dev house might find easy another might find difficult. It is a fact that a minority of devs out there consider the PS3 not difficult to dev for. I mean 360 having the better multiplat games and their games coming out sooner rather then later are proof enough of this concept. More devs find the 360 easier to work with then the PS3.

Sure there are exceptions as there is with anything but for the most part just because a minority of devs can accomplish it doesn't mean all can.

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#99 black_awpN1
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You and your Conspiracey theorys. I bet you were one of those people who bought into the whole Y2K thing werent you? They just need extra time to make the PS3 version look as good, if not better than the 360 version. EA is usually a lazy Dev that makes crap ports.
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#100 gapboi954
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The only point I can even remotely begin to agree with is why cant EA, the biggest 3rd party dev, fix said "problems?" But all that other stuff about the "secret deal" and boycotting EA, um, no.Spartan8907
why should they have to pay extra money to to develop a game and cut into their bottom line when they can make a game for 360 will less money or the same money with no issues at all?