EA Financials Are In: PC Making more money than consoles

didn't EA just aqcuire popcap? then you have their whole left foot in the facebook gaming arena which is included here...yeah not something to be proud of.
But as before it can be pointed out.

When sales aren't concerned PC users have no problem with declaring the evils of casual gaming such as facebook and web portals...once sales come into they mix they grab onto such areas as though they were long lost brothers.

didn't EA just aqcuire popcap? then you have their whole left foot in the facebook gaming arena which is included here...yeah not something to be proud of.
But as before it can be pointed out.

When sales aren't concerned PC users have no problem with declaring the evils of casual gaming such as facebook and web portals...once sales come into they mix they grab onto such areas as though they were long lost brothers.

WilliamRLBaker

[QUOTE="lazerface216"]

[QUOTE="dontshackzmii"]

why is it 90% of the time pc gamers are the ones talking about pc gaming dying?

hypoty

this is a phenomenal question right here. the majority of the times i see this phrase nowadays, it's coming from pc gamers. lol it's like they feel they have to convince themselves as well as others that what they're investing their hard earned time and money into is somehow relevant.

the fact is, console gamers couldn't care less either way.

Console gamers flamed the PC during it's transition period from only disc-based media to digital distribution in around 2004-2006. PC was an easy target during those years. Now that things are shifting it's natural that PC gamers mock those old arguments that were proven to be false.

:lol: that was over 5 years ago, get over it already.

[QUOTE="lazerface216"]
this is a phenomenal question right here. the majority of the times i see this phrase nowadays, it's coming from pc gamers. lol it's like they feel they have to convince themselves as well as others that what they're investing their hard earned time and money into is somehow relevant.

the fact is, console gamers couldn't care less either way.

Mograine

Really now?

Did you already forget the miriads of "PC gaming is dying" threads with TCs posting NPD/VGC data (which is retail only) and claiming poor sales, while in fact most of times you had to double that number due to DD?

Console gamers couldn't care less? Do you think it was hermits who made these threads? Or are you just plain wrong?

actually a pc fanboy (i refuse to use those ridiculous SW terms) did create this thread. and yes, i guess i have forgotten these "miriads" of pc gaming is dying threads because i do not see them nearly as much as you are claiming.

[QUOTE="Mograine"]

[QUOTE="lazerface216"]
this is a phenomenal question right here. the majority of the times i see this phrase nowadays, it's coming from pc gamers. lol it's like they feel they have to convince themselves as well as others that what they're investing their hard earned time and money into is somehow relevant.

the fact is, console gamers couldn't care less either way.

lazerface216

Really now?

Did you already forget the miriads of "PC gaming is dying" threads with TCs posting NPD/VGC data (which is retail only) and claiming poor sales, while in fact most of times you had to double that number due to DD?

Console gamers couldn't care less? Do you think it was hermits who made these threads? Or are you just plain wrong?

actually a pc fanboy (i refuse to use those ridiculous SW terms) did create this thread. and yes, i guess i have forgotten these "miriads" of pc gaming is dying threads because i do not see them nearly as much as you are claiming.

It's called 'buyer's remorse' and 'post-purchase rationalization'. They feel the need to justify their purchase as the ultimate 'thing'.

[QUOTE="Mograine"]

[QUOTE="lazerface216"]
this is a phenomenal question right here. the majority of the times i see this phrase nowadays, it's coming from pc gamers. lol it's like they feel they have to convince themselves as well as others that what they're investing their hard earned time and money into is somehow relevant.

the fact is, console gamers couldn't care less either way.

lazerface216

Really now?

Did you already forget the miriads of "PC gaming is dying" threads with TCs posting NPD/VGC data (which is retail only) and claiming poor sales, while in fact most of times you had to double that number due to DD?

Console gamers couldn't care less? Do you think it was hermits who made these threads? Or are you just plain wrong?

actually a pc fanboy (i refuse to use those ridiculous SW terms) did create this thread. and yes, i guess i have forgotten these "miriads" of pc gaming is dying threads because i do not see them nearly as much as you are claiming.

This isn't a "PC gaming is dying" thread so I have no idea what has this thread to do with what I said.

"Forgetting" implies a past moment. "Past". "I do not see them" is, again, irrelevant.

You answered to the other guy saying it was 5 years ago.

I beg to differ.

PC gaming officially dying (notice the discrepancy between thread title and OP)

Epic president: PC gaming industry is dying

Why PC gaming is going to be the first to die

PC gaming IS dying...

[QUOTE="lazerface216"]

[QUOTE="Mograine"]

Really now?

Did you already forget the miriads of "PC gaming is dying" threads with TCs posting NPD/VGC data (which is retail only) and claiming poor sales, while in fact most of times you had to double that number due to DD?

Console gamers couldn't care less? Do you think it was hermits who made these threads? Or are you just plain wrong?

Mograine

actually a pc fanboy (i refuse to use those ridiculous SW terms) did create this thread. and yes, i guess i have forgotten these "miriads" of pc gaming is dying threads because i do not see them nearly as much as you are claiming.

This isn't a "PC gaming is dying" thread so I have no idea what has this thread to do with what I said.

"Forgetting" implies a past moment. "Past". "I do not see them" is, again, irrelevant.

You answered to the other guy saying it was 5 years ago.

I beg to differ.

PC gaming officially dying (notice the discrepancy between thread title and OP)

Epic president: PC gaming industry is dying

Why PC gaming is going to be the first to die

PC gaming IS dying...

Most of those threads are ancient. The other one doesn't even seem like it's serious -- iPad replacing the PC ?

Try again.

[QUOTE="Filthybastrd"]

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"]Not surprising there. Especially not for Activision Blizzard. The company that owns WoW makes most of its money from the PC? Shocker.

SaltyMeatballs

Errr looking at the chart PC is making less money then the PS3 let alone consoles in general. Joke thread or self ownage?

[QUOTE="lazerface216"]

[QUOTE="Mograine"]

Really now?

Did you already forget the miriads of "PC gaming is dying" threads with TCs posting NPD/VGC data (which is retail only) and claiming poor sales, while in fact most of times you had to double that number due to DD?

Console gamers couldn't care less? Do you think it was hermits who made these threads? Or are you just plain wrong?

Mograine

actually a pc fanboy (i refuse to use those ridiculous SW terms) did create this thread. and yes, i guess i have forgotten these "miriads" of pc gaming is dying threads because i do not see them nearly as much as you are claiming.

This isn't a "PC gaming is dying" thread so I have no idea what has this thread to do with what I said.

"Forgetting" implies a past moment. "Past". "I do not see them" is, again, irrelevant.

You answered to the other guy saying it was 5 years ago.

I beg to differ.

PC gaming officially dying (notice the discrepancy between thread title and OP)

Epic president: PC gaming industry is dying

Why PC gaming is going to be the first to die

PC gaming IS dying...

lol that's cute that you actually spent the time to go through year old threads, but that proves nothing. you notice how in my original post i mentioned not seeing a lot of "pc gaming is dying" threads nowadays? yeah, that's what i meant. you bring up threads dating back 4 years ago.

...and i never said those threads were 5 years ago and we haven't seen them since, please read what i wrote again. someone said that between 2004-2006 the pc was vulnerable to attacks because of the transition to digital media and now pc gamers are giving it back. i then said to get over it, that was 5 years ago.

...and sure, this isn't a "pc gaming is dying" thread, but that was one of the first things that the TC mentioned. why does he feel the need to prove anything to the "pc is dead" crowd? why even bring it up? to prove something to himself?

That's coz they have more games on PC. What if we only compare sales of multiplats?

Harisemo

Did you even look at the report? For the time period in discussion EA released 3 games for each platform, and they are only involved in the retail version of one of those games for the PC (Portal 2). If anything this should favor the consoles since a large portion of the sales for portal 2 must have gone through Steam.

As for the report, to me what it shows is that given a more or less even playing field (i.e relatively equal number of games released across all platforms) the PC can not only compete financially with any of the consoles but also win. It just goes to prove there is as much money to be made on PCs as consoles and there is no rational financial reason why any multi-platform game should not come out on the PC.

[QUOTE="Mograine"]

This isn't a "PC gaming is dying" thread so I have no idea what has this thread to do with what I said.

"Forgetting" implies a past moment. "Past". "I do not see them" is, again, irrelevant.

You answered to the other guy saying it was 5 years ago.

I beg to differ.

PC gaming officially dying (notice the discrepancy between thread title and OP)

Epic president: PC gaming industry is dying

Why PC gaming is going to be the first to die

PC gaming IS dying...

SkyWard20

Most of those threads are ancient. The other one doesn't even seem like it's serious -- iPad replacing the PC ?

Try again.

Learn to read.

Try again.

lol that's cute that you actually spent the time to go through year old threads, but that proves nothing. you notice how in my original post i mentioned not seeing a lot of "pc gaming is dying" threads nowadays? yeah, that's what i meant. you bring up threads dating back 4 years ago.

...and i never said those threads were 5 years ago and we haven't seen them since, please read what i wrote again. someone said that between 2004-2006 the pc was vulnerable to attacks because of the transition to digital media and now pc gamers are giving it back. i then said to get over it, that was 5 years ago.

...and sure, this isn't a "pc gaming is dying" thread, but that was one of the first things that the TC mentioned. why does he feel the need to prove anything to the "pc is dead" crowd? why even bring it up? to prove something to himself?

lazerface216

In your original post you said

:lol: that was over 5 years ago, get over it already.

lazerface216

so no, you didn't say "nowadays". You added that AFTER I corrected you.

[QUOTE="lazerface216"]

lol that's cute that you actually spent the time to go through year old threads, but that proves nothing. you notice how in my original post i mentioned not seeing a lot of "pc gaming is dying" threads nowadays? yeah, that's what i meant. you bring up threads dating back 4 years ago.

...and i never said those threads were 5 years ago and we haven't seen them since, please read what i wrote again. someone said that between 2004-2006 the pc was vulnerable to attacks because of the transition to digital media and now pc gamers are giving it back. i then said to get over it, that was 5 years ago.

...and sure, this isn't a "pc gaming is dying" thread, but that was one of the first things that the TC mentioned. why does he feel the need to prove anything to the "pc is dead" crowd? why even bring it up? to prove something to himself?

Mograine

In your original post you said

:lol: that was over 5 years ago, get over it already.

lazerface216

so no, you didn't say "nowadays". You added that AFTER I corrected you.

READ MY ORIGINAL POST, and i quote:

"this is a phenomenal question right here. the majority of the times i see this phrase nowadays, it's coming from pc gamers."

...and again, the 5 years statement was referring to hypoty's post about the time between 2004-2006 when the pc was transitioning to DD. how are you not understanding this??

and yet all Ea games don't come for PC :P

wans't there a thread about EA saying it makes more money from consoles?

[QUOTE="TrapJak"]Well every consoler has a PC....Morrdecai

That is true, how else would they get their video game info or look up strategy guides and cheats. If not they must be living in the 90's.

He is wrong anyway, read the last few pages of this thread.

SaltyMeatballs

Not really... Last quarter, EA made more money on the PC than it did on the consoles. As I already stated before, despite what all the "accountants" in this thread want to claim, GAAP figures are not a good way of tracking the individual revenue of particular sectors of the company. The accounting techniques required by GAAP are good for keeping track of the overall status of a company as a whole, and for looking at where the books currently stand, but when you try to make market assumptions based on the GAAP figures there are too many things distorting the number.

The biggest thing last quarter was that EA acquired Popcap Games. IMMEDIATELY that drags down the PC GAAP figure, because EA paid more for Popcap than Popcap is worth, and GAAP requires that EA account for any discrepencies in the value of an acquisition. Since Popcap is primarily a PC driven acquisition, that majority of that discrepancy would fall under the PC. That is simply the most obvious factor.

Non-GAAP figures aren't just made up. They have a purpose and they do tell something about the company. When taken together with the GAAP figures, they tell a much more complete story than just one or the other. GAAP is definitely important, but with EA, the non-GAAP actually tells more about the performance of the different sectors of the company and is key in determining the performance of EA's acquisitions. Given how many acquisitions EA has had in the social gaming/PC casual market over the last few years, the non-GAAP figure is demonstrating that EA is having positive growth in those sectors of their business.

So.... In Q1 FY2012 for EA Games, PC was a greater source of Non-GAAP revenue, and likely a more profitable platform for EA than either of the consoles.

EA please bring fight night and Skate to PC!

I wonder if that would be true if it were the beginning of a new console hardware cycle instead of 6 years into the longest generation so far.

I wonder if that would be true if it were the beginning of a new console hardware cycle instead of 6 years into the longest generation so far.

donalbane

Probably since the installed base would be smaller and fewer games would sell. The Xbox 360 and PS3 would probably be generating greater revenue than the new consoles, although they would be declining.

[QUOTE="ShyGuy0504"]

It makes sense because pcs far outnumber consoles in terms of systems sold.

Filthybastrd

Certainly not the 2000$ PCs we need to play flash games ;)

[QUOTE="Filthybastrd"]

[QUOTE="ShyGuy0504"]

It makes sense because pcs far outnumber consoles in terms of systems sold.

ModernSnivy

Certainly not the 2000$ PCs we need to play flash games ;)

it's called sarcasm.

As a publicly traded company, EA has to release it's financial history to the public so that investors have access to the data they need to make sound investment decisions - or at least informed ones ;)

Well, the adjusted report from EA (non-GAAP) tells a story that might be of interest to the "PC IS DEAD!" crowd here in system wars.

This story paints the PC as the leading profit creating platform for EA. That's right, one of the biggest video game publishers out there makes more money from the PC than from either current gen console. It's followed by the xbox 360, and much later by the PS3.

It's a similar story (last year at least) with Activision/Blizzard for whom PC generates most of it's profit.

Just thought I'd share :p

EDIT: Forgot link:http://investor.ea.com/releasedetail.cfm?ReleaseID=594196

Kinthalis

[QUOTE="ModernSnivy"][QUOTE="Filthybastrd"]

Certainly not the 2000$ PCs we need to play flash games ;)

lazerface216

it's called sarcasm.

[QUOTE="lazerface216"]

[QUOTE="ModernSnivy"] I had my PC built for under 800$ and it can run games like Crysis fine.DevilAtrix

it's called sarcasm.

sure they could...

[QUOTE="Mograine"]

[QUOTE="lazerface216"]
this is a phenomenal question right here. the majority of the times i see this phrase nowadays, it's coming from pc gamers. lol it's like they feel they have to convince themselves as well as others that what they're investing their hard earned time and money into is somehow relevant.

the fact is, console gamers couldn't care less either way.

lazerface216

Really now?

Did you already forget the miriads of "PC gaming is dying" threads with TCs posting NPD/VGC data (which is retail only) and claiming poor sales, while in fact most of times you had to double that number due to DD?

Console gamers couldn't care less? Do you think it was hermits who made these threads? Or are you just plain wrong?

actually a pc fanboy (i refuse to use those ridiculous SW terms) did create this thread. and yes, i guess i have forgotten these "miriads" of pc gaming is dying threads because i do not see them nearly as much as you are claiming.

[QUOTE="DevilAtrix"][QUOTE="lazerface216"]

it's called sarcasm.

lazerface216

sure they could...

PC gaming will soon be extinct because it won't have Avatar-quality graphix. :P

nameless12345

this is a phenomenal question right here. the majority of the times i see this phrase nowadays, it's coming from pc gamers. lol it's like they feel they have to convince themselves as well as others that what they're investing their hard earned time and money into is somehow relevant.

the fact is, console gamers couldn't care less either way.

lazerface216

This isn't a "PC gaming is dying" thread so I have no idea what has this thread to do with what I said.

"Forgetting" implies a past moment. "Past". "I do not see them" is, again, irrelevant.

You answered to the other guy saying it was 5 years ago.

I beg to differ.

PC gaming officially dying(notice the discrepancy between thread title and OP)

Epic president: PC gaming industry is dying

Why PC gaming is going to be the first to die

PC gaming IS dying...

Mograine

Really now?

Did you already forget the miriads of "PC gaming is dying" threads with TCs posting NPD/VGC data (which is retail only) and claiming poor sales, while in fact most of times you had to double that number due to DD?

Console gamers couldn't care less? Do you think it was hermits who made these threads? Or are you just plain wrong? Mograine

Like all hell I do!

but the PC needs motion control how can this be and how can i play sims 3 without a gaming pc

[QUOTE="SaltyMeatballs"]

He is wrong anyway, read the last few pages of this thread.

KingsMessenger

Not really... Last quarter, EA made more money on the PC than it did on the consoles. As I already stated before, despite what all the "accountants" in this thread want to claim, GAAP figures are not a good way of tracking the individual revenue of particular sectors of the company. The accounting techniques required by GAAP are good for keeping track of the overall status of a company as a whole, and for looking at where the books currently stand, but when you try to make market assumptions based on the GAAP figures there are too many things distorting the number.

The biggest thing last quarter was that EA acquired Popcap Games. IMMEDIATELY that drags down the PC GAAP figure, because EA paid more for Popcap than Popcap is worth, and GAAP requires that EA account for any discrepencies in the value of an acquisition. Since Popcap is primarily a PC driven acquisition, that majority of that discrepancy would fall under the PC. That is simply the most obvious factor.

Non-GAAP figures aren't just made up. They have a purpose and they do tell something about the company. When taken together with the GAAP figures, they tell a much more complete story than just one or the other. GAAP is definitely important, but with EA, the non-GAAP actually tells more about the performance of the different sectors of the company and is key in determining the performance of EA's acquisitions. Given how many acquisitions EA has had in the social gaming/PC casual market over the last few years, the non-GAAP figure is demonstrating that EA is having positive growth in those sectors of their business.

So.... In Q1 FY2012 for EA Games, PC was a greater source of Non-GAAP revenue, and likely a more profitable platform for EA than either of the consoles.

Granted, I am a third year accounting student, and I have taken a closer look at those non-GAAP numbers. Granted, it appears that PC revenue is growing in the year over the quarter, while consoles have stagnated.

Since you seem to know more about accounting than I do, how do acquisitions impact the numbers of a single division? I've seen how an acquisition might shake up a company as a whole, but, I've never quite learned how it might impact a single division.

However, it's still important to note that consoles as a whole make more money than the PC.

EA's auditing firm, by all counts, seem to be quite conservative. I think this is the first time I've seen in financial statements a non-GAAP net income number to be smaller than the GAAP net income number, so their non-GAAP numbers might not be complete BS at all.

[QUOTE="KingsMessenger"]

[QUOTE="SaltyMeatballs"]

He is wrong anyway, read the last few pages of this thread.

The_Capitalist

Not really... Last quarter, EA made more money on the PC than it did on the consoles. As I already stated before, despite what all the "accountants" in this thread want to claim, GAAP figures are not a good way of tracking the individual revenue of particular sectors of the company. The accounting techniques required by GAAP are good for keeping track of the overall status of a company as a whole, and for looking at where the books currently stand, but when you try to make market assumptions based on the GAAP figures there are too many things distorting the number.

The biggest thing last quarter was that EA acquired Popcap Games. IMMEDIATELY that drags down the PC GAAP figure, because EA paid more for Popcap than Popcap is worth, and GAAP requires that EA account for any discrepencies in the value of an acquisition. Since Popcap is primarily a PC driven acquisition, that majority of that discrepancy would fall under the PC. That is simply the most obvious factor.

Non-GAAP figures aren't just made up. They have a purpose and they do tell something about the company. When taken together with the GAAP figures, they tell a much more complete story than just one or the other. GAAP is definitely important, but with EA, the non-GAAP actually tells more about the performance of the different sectors of the company and is key in determining the performance of EA's acquisitions. Given how many acquisitions EA has had in the social gaming/PC casual market over the last few years, the non-GAAP figure is demonstrating that EA is having positive growth in those sectors of their business.

So.... In Q1 FY2012 for EA Games, PC was a greater source of Non-GAAP revenue, and likely a more profitable platform for EA than either of the consoles.

Granted, I am a third year accounting student, and I have taken a closer look at those non-GAAP numbers. Granted, it appears that PC revenue is growing in the year over the quarter, while consoles have stagnated.

Since you seem to know more about accounting than I do, how do acquisitions impact the numbers of a single division? I've seen how an acquisition might shake up a company as a whole, but, I've never quite learned how it might impact a single division.

However, it's still important to note that consoles as a whole make more money than the PC.

EA's auditing firm, by all counts, seem to be quite conservative. I think this is the first time I've seen in financial statements a non-GAAP net income number to be smaller than the GAAP net income number, so their non-GAAP numbers might not be complete BS at all.

Then where are our PC exclusive hardcore games from them.. All I see then doing is putting a heavy dumbing down hand on bioware ala dragon crap 2. Where is A new ultima game or a new space sim or something that a oldschool loving PC gamer could buy? I'll tell you, no where because this damn company along with ms bought and shut down so many good studios through out the years. Midnightshade29

I wish I knew sometimes.

I mean I know the games dont' sell much, and EA couldn't support itself on these oldschool games, but I still think that if there's some room for profit they could hire people to make games like that.

And who knows? Maybe one of them will be a hit. It's not uncommon to see low-budget games become huge successes. It seems like it'd be a good strategy in comparison to throwing hundreds of millions at Battlefield, and hoping it one day beats CoD.

[QUOTE="ModernSnivy"][QUOTE="Filthybastrd"]

Certainly not the 2000$ PCs we need to play flash games ;)

lazerface216

it's called sarcasm.

PC gaming will soon be extinct because it won't have Avatar-quality graphix. :P

nameless12345

For PC's to be selling more than consoles, they would need to sell more than all consoles together.Rhinoburger

For PC's to be selling more than consoles, they would need to sell more than all consoles together.Rhinoburger

"LOOK LOOK! PC DOESNT SUCK!!!! SEE!!! /fap fap fap fap OMG! /fap fap fap. I AM VALIDATING MY EXSISTANCE THROUGH MY PC!"

Thats what this thread reads like to me.

Oh and by the way, this thread is 2 freaking years old. You had to necro some old shit from 2011 in order to try and prove something that is completely invalid now?

Jesus christ in heaven....... level 1 with 1 post did a necro on this thread? Has got to be some PC fanboys alt.