EA: Wii U Can Do Anything Xbox 360 and PS3 Can

I hate to "go here", since we know next to nothing about this device's cost, but I think we should also keep in mind a few things: 1) Nintendo is currently making an obscene profit on the 3DS, a device that costs roughly $103 to produce and manufacture, but is being sold for $250; 2) The external controller/tablet on the Wii U will obviously cost more to produce than a normal controller, 3) $299 is historically the sweet-spot launch price for a new console, 4) Nintendo is not emphasizing graphics or specs.

Based off of the type of profit margins Nintendo likes to have in their devices, their power consumption preferences (always low; this is true even going back to systems like the Gamecube), and all the above, I'm starting to think we're looking at a pretty weak RV770 -- something similar to a Radeon 4830, at best.

[QUOTE="Heil68"][QUOTE="dercoo"]

Can it play blurays8)

nintendoboy16

Well, that seems to be what they're doing. I imagine Sony and Microsoft will probably compete with the Wii U through the 360/PS3 for a few years, then release systems that potentially destroy it in 2014 or so.

Over the next 3 years, I think a lot of work is going to be done in trying to get better performance-per-watt from today's graphics cards, shrinking them down to reduce cost, heat and power consumption. So that by 2014, there will be some relatively low-power solutions that can pack a lot of bang for the buck.

SakusEnvoy

I agree, and I would hope they go down that route, especially since the RROD debacle this gen.

Persoanly, and this is kind of a side note, I would be intriguied to see a next gen console with two graphics cards, one strong and one weak. The weak one's job would be to display an image on the screen at a desirable resolution with some AA and without screen tear. The strong cards job would be to render that image. Theoretically, at that point, devs only use the stronger card, and wouldn't ever have to worry about screen resolution or AA.

But I'm no hardware architect. :P

I would hope that it can do everything the 360 and ps3 can but the real question is can it do every thing the ps4 and next xbox can do (which we won't know till they are announced)

The fact they are being mentioned in the same sentence with out having a word along the lines of obliterates is actually worrying, this is supposed to be a next gen console and will no doubt carry a next gen price tag.

They are only 5 years late.

Well. Nintendo wins another gen. The weakest console always wins. Sonicplys

Like people want to spend 1000 dollars on the FPStation 4 and the next FPSbox. Sonicplys

In other words, a much more powerful PS4/720 might not be as expensive as you'd think. Certainly nothing over $399. A good exhibit for this is the Vita compared to the 3DS.

This is Nintendo's new thing is it? Always be a generation behind with its technology? 6matt6

[QUOTE="6matt6"]This is Nintendo's new thing is it? Always be a generation behind with its technology? -Renegade

It can play Blu Rays?

[QUOTE="Sonicplys"]Like people want to spend 1000 dollars on the FPStation 4 and the next FPSbox. SakusEnvoy

In other words, a much more powerful PS4/720 might not be as expensive as you'd think. Certainly nothing over $399. A good exhibit for this is the Vita compared to the 3DS.

What? Just because Vita is launching a little under a year later proves crap. The 3DS is selling for a notable amount of profit. Vita is almost definetely being sold at a loss. Sony is willing to do that.

More on topic here, if the PS4 and Nexbox launch too late, Nintendo could already have a large portion of the market already claimed.

Nintendo need to go back to the drawing board concerning their hardware. Is this supposed to be a good thing somehow? that is like MS coming out and saying the Xbox can do everything the N64 can. X720/PS4 are going to blow this toy away when their systems come out, the gap might actually be larger than this gen with Wii and 360/PS3.

Nintendo is always a generation behind in the tech department, it's nothing new.

It doesn't really bother me all that much... apart from the cost.

Nintendo is always a generation behind in the tech department, it's nothing new.

It doesn't really bother me all that much... apart from the cost.

AdolescentDon

Nintendo need to go back to the drawing board concerning their hardware. Is this supposed to be a good thing somehow? that is like MS coming out and saying the Xbox can do everything the N64 can. X720/PS4 are going to blow this toy away when their systems come out, the gap might actually be larger than this gen with Wii and 360/PS3.

GotNugz

No, despite this statement, Wii U will be comparable to PS4 and/or Nexbox.

[QUOTE="SakusEnvoy"]

[QUOTE="Sonicplys"]Like people want to spend 1000 dollars on the FPStation 4 and the next FPSbox. Nozizaki

In other words, a much more powerful PS4/720 might not be as expensive as you'd think. Certainly nothing over $399. A good exhibit for this is the Vita compared to the 3DS.

What? Just because Vita is launching a little under a year later proves crap. The 3DS is selling for a notable amount of profit. Vita is almost definetely being sold at a loss. Sony is willing to do that.

More on topic here, if the PS4 and Nexbox launch too late, Nintendo could already have a large portion of the market already claimed.

In my opinion, there is no such thing as a "next-gen" market that is in complete isolation to the "current gen" market. The Wii U's library will almost certainly consist primarily of the same types of games available on 360/PS3. So long as the 360/PS3 continue to sell well, it would probably be in Sony and Microsoft's interest to let those systems compete with the Wii U. It would give them time to develop consoles that would be capable of thrashing the Wii U so badly that multiplats between the Wii U and 720/PS4 would not be a realistic possibility.

[QUOTE="AdolescentDon"]

Nintendo is always a generation behind in the tech department, it's nothing new.

It doesn't really bother me all that much... apart from the cost.

Nozizaki

Nintendo need to go back to the drawing board concerning their hardware. Is this supposed to be a good thing somehow? that is like MS coming out and saying the Xbox can do everything the N64 can. X720/PS4 are going to blow this toy away when their systems come out, the gap might actually be larger than this gen with Wii and 360/PS3.

GotNugz

No, despite this statement, Wii U will be comparable to PS4 and/or Nexbox.

sure, as comparable as the Wii was to the 360/ps3. your expectations are too high for Wiiu on the hardware side. Devs have already called it a gap console, and of course publishers are going to say all the right things because they are under NDA's.

[QUOTE="AdolescentDon"]

Nintendo is always a generation behind in the tech department, it's nothing new.

It doesn't really bother me all that much... apart from the cost.

Nozizaki

Nintendo need to go back to the drawing board concerning their hardware. Is this supposed to be a good thing somehow? that is like MS coming out and saying the Xbox can do everything the N64 can. X720/PS4 are going to blow this toy away when their systems come out, the gap might actually be larger than this gen with Wii and 360/PS3.

GotNugz

No, despite this statement, Wii U will be comparable to PS4 and/or Nexbox.

A 2012 console can do everything a console made in 2005 can do? I would sure hope so.

Wasdie

It should be able to do alot more than PS360, if not, what a joke:?

Except that we don't know that. We have absolutely no idea what Microsoft and Sony will do, when they will launch, and what they will launch. We can only speculate. Perhaps someone planning to buy the Wii U would like to have some personal assurance that their system will be supported for a long time, and won't be totally outclassed by the next generation of systems from competitors, but such an assurance is absolutely impossible.

SakusEnvoy

ps4 xbox 720 will not be better than the best PC of 2011....and they are supoorting the 360 and ps3 just fine...a 6 year old technology.

[QUOTE="SakusEnvoy"] Except that we don't know that. We have absolutely no idea what Microsoft and Sony will do, when they will launch, and what they will launch. We can only speculate. Perhaps someone planning to buy the Wii U would like to have some personal assurance that their system will be supported for a long time, and won't be totally outclassed by the next generation of systems from competitors, but such an assurance is absolutely impossible.

KBFloYd

ps4 xbox 720 will not be better than the best PC of 2011....and they are supoorting the 360 and ps3 just fine...a 6 year old technology.

This. Rumors are pointing toward both Sony and Microsoft using AMD next gen. What's the best AMD GPU out there right now? 6970? Even if they were able to put that kind of card in a console next gen (not even sure about that btw), it still wouldn't be "OMGWTFBBQ" better than what's in the Wii U. People need to stop comparing it to the Wii. It's physically impossible to say it will be a repeat of the current gen.

[QUOTE="KBFloYd"]

[QUOTE="SakusEnvoy"] Except that we don't know that. We have absolutely no idea what Microsoft and Sony will do, when they will launch, and what they will launch. We can only speculate. Perhaps someone planning to buy the Wii U would like to have some personal assurance that their system will be supported for a long time, and won't be totally outclassed by the next generation of systems from competitors, but such an assurance is absolutely impossible.

Cheese-Muffins

ps4 xbox 720 will not be better than the best PC of 2011....and they are supoorting the 360 and ps3 just fine...a 6 year old technology.

This. Rumors are pointing toward both Sony and Microsoft using AMD next gen. What's the best AMD GPU out there right now? 6970? Even if they were able to put that kind of card in a console next gen (not even sure about that btw), it still wouldn't be "OMGWTFBBQ" better than what's in the Wii U. People need to stop comparing it to the Wii. It's physically impossible to say it will be a repeat of the current gen.

[QUOTE="Cheese-Muffins"]

[QUOTE="KBFloYd"]

ps4 xbox 720 will not be better than the best PC of 2011....and they are supoorting the 360 and ps3 just fine...a 6 year old technology.

SakusEnvoy

This. Rumors are pointing toward both Sony and Microsoft using AMD next gen. What's the best AMD GPU out there right now? 6970? Even if they were able to put that kind of card in a console next gen (not even sure about that btw), it still wouldn't be "OMGWTFBBQ" better than what's in the Wii U. People need to stop comparing it to the Wii. It's physically impossible to say it will be a repeat of the current gen.

The only problem I have with looking at the future, more powerful GPU's is that they will be ridiculously expensive. Are Microsoft and Sony willing to take a huge loss on hardware in order to stay competetive with Nintendo? Will they be willing to do a $599 console when Wii U will no doubt be over $200 cheaper at that time? I'm taking 6970-power level as being the max it could possibly be put in just because of cost, heat, and power consumption. Also, 2015 would be too late to launch a console, imo.

Less powerful console means more $$ for me. I would rather have something cheaper.

[QUOTE="SakusEnvoy"]

[QUOTE="Cheese-Muffins"]

This. Rumors are pointing toward both Sony and Microsoft using AMD next gen. What's the best AMD GPU out there right now? 6970? Even if they were able to put that kind of card in a console next gen (not even sure about that btw), it still wouldn't be "OMGWTFBBQ" better than what's in the Wii U. People need to stop comparing it to the Wii. It's physically impossible to say it will be a repeat of the current gen.

Cheese-Muffins

The only problem I have with looking at the future GPU's is that they will be ridiculously expensive. Is Microsoft and Sony willing to take a huge loss on hardware in order to stay competetive with Nintendo? Will they be willing to do a $599 console when Wii U will no doubt be over $200 cheaper at that time? I'm taking 6970-power level as being the max it could possibly be put in just because of cost, heat, and power consumption. Also, 2015 would be too late to launch a console, imo.

Personally, I expect that it will. Especially if Microsoft is aggressive and price cuts one of the models to $149, or price cuts the Kinect to $99, or even makes a 360+Kinect bundle for $199 (!). It would sell like hot cakes.

Same thing with the PS3 -- the PS3 will probably sell much better at $199, especially if Sony keeps pumping out high quality first party software for it.

The truth is there's a chance the Wii U might not even be able to compete with the current-gen consoles, much less the next-gen ones. Sure, it's more powerful (though no one is sure how much) and it has a tablet controller; but that alone doesn't mean anything. What if the PS3/360 versions of multiplat games still sell way better than the Wii U ones?

[QUOTE="Cheese-Muffins"]

[QUOTE="KBFloYd"]

ps4 xbox 720 will not be better than the best PC of 2011....and they are supoorting the 360 and ps3 just fine...a 6 year old technology.

SakusEnvoy

This. Rumors are pointing toward both Sony and Microsoft using AMD next gen. What's the best AMD GPU out there right now? 6970? Even if they were able to put that kind of card in a console next gen (not even sure about that btw), it still wouldn't be "OMGWTFBBQ" better than what's in the Wii U. People need to stop comparing it to the Wii. It's physically impossible to say it will be a repeat of the current gen.

[QUOTE="6matt6"]This is Nintendo's new thing is it? Always be a generation behind with its technology? -Renegade

A big Sony fanboy's words are credible in any way? :lol:

[QUOTE="SakusEnvoy"] Except that we don't know that. We have absolutely no idea what Microsoft and Sony will do, when they will launch, and what they will launch. We can only speculate. Perhaps someone planning to buy the Wii U would like to have some personal assurance that their system will be supported for a long time, and won't be totally outclassed by the next generation of systems from competitors, but such an assurance is absolutely impossible.

KBFloYd

ps4 xbox 720 will not be better than the best PC of 2011....and they are supoorting the 360 and ps3 just fine...a 6 year old technology.

why do people think like this has history not taught anyone anything? lets say the next consoles come out in 2013-2014 don't be naive into thinking they won't be more powerful than 2011 hardware. what was more powerful than the 360 at launch, what about the PS3, or Xbox 1 in 2001? the answer of course is not much if anything. people need to get over whatever is on pc now and think of what will be availible a few years from now.

[QUOTE="SakusEnvoy"]

[QUOTE="Cheese-Muffins"]

This. Rumors are pointing toward both Sony and Microsoft using AMD next gen. What's the best AMD GPU out there right now? 6970? Even if they were able to put that kind of card in a console next gen (not even sure about that btw), it still wouldn't be "OMGWTFBBQ" better than what's in the Wii U. People need to stop comparing it to the Wii. It's physically impossible to say it will be a repeat of the current gen.

KC_Hokie

finally an intelligent person on SW board.

[QUOTE="Cheese-Muffins"]

The only problem I have with looking at the future GPU's is that they will be ridiculously expensive. Is Microsoft and Sony willing to take a huge loss on hardware in order to stay competetive with Nintendo? Will they be willing to do a $599 console when Wii U will no doubt be over $200 cheaper at that time? I'm taking 6970-power level as being the max it could possibly be put in just because of cost, heat, and power consumption. Also, 2015 would be too late to launch a console, imo.

SakusEnvoy

Personally, I expect that it will. Especially if Microsoft is aggressive and price cuts one of the models to $149, or price cuts the Kinect to $99, or even makes a 360+Kinect bundle for $199 (!). It would sell like hot cakes.

Same thing with the PS3 -- the PS3 will probably sell much better at $199, especially if Sony keeps pumping out high quality first party software for it.

The truth is there's a chance the Wii U might not even be able to compete with the current-gen consoles, much less the next-gen ones. Sure, it's more powerful (though no one is sure how much) and it has a tablet controller; but that alone doesn't mean anything. What if the PS3/360 versions of multiplat games still sell way better than the Wii U ones?

I think it all boils down to the launch lineup. If Nintendo pulls another 3DS, then yes, things won't be looking good. However, Nintendo's 1st party sells. A LOT. If they can have some big name game at launch, then I'd think the system will do well. They need to have a big install base from the get-go, so there is the potential for big multiplat sales on Wii U. Of course, I can't speak for everyone, but when I buy a new system, I like to buy a few games to start off with to fully play and experience the potential of the console. A big 1st party title will drive this and push people over the edge to move on and buy the Wii U.

The GPU the Wii U is using is supposedly from mid-2008 and not 2011. So the gap between the Wii U and PS4/Next Xbox will be wider then most think.KC_Hokie

That doesn't mean anything. There are cards today that are not as powerful as some of the top end R700 cards from 2008.

Nintendo is always a generation behind in the tech department, it's nothing new.

It doesn't really bother me all that much... apart from the cost.

AdolescentDon

This again *sigh*, did Nintendo's entire pre-Wii history dissapear on SW.

WOW!!!! A console that isn't even released yet can outperform one that was released 6 years ago. GG Nintendo, you do have a beast of a console....

I don't think the question of the Wii U and it being more powerful than the 360 and PS3 is even something that should be asked. I just will hate when we see nothing but a bunch of ports on the system, because you know it will happen. It happened early in the 360's lifespan, where "HD" versions of your PS2 games were there and they marginally looked better. When original games are made, by people who will take the time to develop for it, you'll see the system separate itself. If anything does happen when games are being ported, I hope it comes with some extra content, and runs at 60 FPS (there should be no reason it shouldn't) because I doubt the developers will bother going through all assets and increasing the res on them and making the graphics look prettier when it's faster to just ship out the game already made. yoshi_64

3rd party ports are to be expected but they should look marginally better. i'm more interested in exclusive that show what the machine is capable of. games like Perfect Dark Zero, Project Gothem racing 3, Oblivion, all launch titles that showed the power of the 360, i'm expecting the same for WiiU.

Good to hear that it can do everything that the current gen consoles can do. I would hope it can. For now I'll take EA's comment and put it with what Epic said and come to the conclusion that the Wii U can do everything that the 360 and PS3 can do and more.

Except get multi plat support for the full life of the console or even get Nintendo to support there own console for the full life of it. Thats what always happened with a Nintendo console ever since the end of the SNES. Why people even bother getting a Nintendo console in the first place is beyond me. Last gen systems sold as new gen prices Why people get suckered into it is beyond me. Samething with there handheld. Nintendo is the biggest rip off artists for gamers. Selling there first party games like new when there 4-5 years old i mean i could go on and on and on about them. Nintendo is a good second system to own down the line when the price is at its lowest other wise its a waste of space.

A 2012 console can do everything a console made in 2005 can do? I would sure hope so.

Wasdie

The fact that this is being talked about is what worries me. Next gen consoles are typically much stronger by far than the last gen. So yeah the wii u should own the ps3/360 but rendering two screenswill sap some of the power. Still unless ms and sony make a wii type system then the wii u should get owned.

Devs are all over the place with their statements about the Wii U when it comes to how powerful it is. Some say it is way more powerful than 360/PS3 and others say it's about the same. I'm not expecting much.

I will be getting one as a secondary console though.

Devs are all over the place with their statements about the Wii U when it comes to how powerful it is. Some say it is way more powerful than 360/PS3 and others say it's about the same. I'm not expecting much.

I will be getting one as a secondary console though.

Kingpin0114

If it is cheap then yeah I will pick one up also but nintendo said it won't be cheap. Also looking at the markup on the parts vs price on the 3ds I will most likely get a ps4 before the wii u.

The GPU the Wii U is using is supposedly from mid-2008 and not 2011. So the gap between the Wii U and PS4/Next Xbox will be wider then most think.KC_Hokie

how far apart is a ps3 from a top PC? will it be a bigger gap than wiiu and the ps4?