EDGE: "Power struggle: the real differences between PS4 and Xbox One perfor

http://www.edge-online.com/news/power-struggle-the-real-differences-between-ps4-and-xbox-one-performance/

 

PlayStation 4 is currently around 50 per cent faster than its rival Xbox One. Multiple high-level game development sources have described the difference in performance between the consoles as significant and obvious.

Our contacts have told us that memory reads on PS4 are 40-50 per cent quicker than Xbox One, and its ALU (Arithmetic Logic Unit) is around 50 per cent faster. One basic example we were given suggested that without optimisation for either console, a platform-agnostic development build can run at around 30FPS in 1920×1080 on PS4, but itll run at 20-something FPS in 1600×900 on Xbox One. Xbox One is weaker and its a pain to use its ESRAM, concluded one developer.

Microsoft is aware of the problem and, having recently upped the clock speed of Xbox One, is working hard to close the gap on PS4, though one developer we spoke to downplayed the move. The clock speed update is not significant, it does not change things that much, he said. Of course, something is better than nothing.

 

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This is yet another article with devs stating how much more powerful PS4 is. MS wants you to pay $100 extra for a weaker console... they say Kinect adds value, but their are no games for Kinect. 

LOL

not this thread again

Its pretty obvious that PS4 is by far the best bang for the buck... hell its been obvious since E3.

What is this, the 4th or 5th thread on this???

Microsoft is going to try their hardest to put these guys out of business, lol.

Microsoft is going to try their hardest to put these guys out of business, lol.

ReadingRainbow4

This isn't the 7th thread on this today.

This isn't the 7th thread on this today.

Chutebox

Way, way, way, way, way, way, way late.

Yay, this again. A thought though, why are Sony so quiet? The first time they have a legit spec advantage and they put on this meek, humble act that PS fanboys are lapping up but where's the entertainment? Let's see some swagger, twist the knife and make MS squirm. At least throw a pie or something.Floppy_Jim

A few minutes of Tretton on stage + the game sharing "commercial" was overload.  Sony did enough knife twisting in those short moments to last for years.

PS4 has better faster RAM & 50% higher grphics processing power. This has been known for months. The Cloud BS will keep Lems saying the X1 is close in performance. 

[QUOTE="Floppy_Jim"]Yay, this again. A thought though, why are Sony so quiet? The first time they have a legit spec advantage and they put on this meek, humble act that PS fanboys are lapping up but where's the entertainment? Let's see some swagger, twist the knife and make MS squirm. At least throw a pie or something.ConanTheStoner

A few minutes of Tretton on stage + the game sharing "commercial" was overload.  Sony did enough knife twisting in those short moments to last for years.

Seriously tho, it's like EDGE really wants to put the hurt on MS. lol.

I respect them for telling it like it is anyway, but it's a bit funny how they are constantly forcing MS to respond.

LOL the Xbox is dieing and its about time. The PS4 will DESTROY it in sales. Any exclusive games for M$ will be like F that, and come to the PS4.

Xbots can longer refute that PS4 is much strongerdrakekratos

Or, the extent of your idiocy.

Xbots can longer refute that PS4 is much strongerdrakekratos

[QUOTE="drakekratos"]Xbots can longer refute that PS4 is much strongernavyguy21

Except Sony still has the best 1st party devs in the industry.

[QUOTE="navyguy21"][QUOTE="drakekratos"]Xbots can longer refute that PS4 is much strongerReadingRainbow4

Except Sony still has the best 1st party devs in the industry.

[QUOTE="ReadingRainbow4"]

[QUOTE="navyguy21"] No one ever disputes that. People refute cows exaggeration of the differences like they did last gen when the PS3 was supposed to be so much faster..........the cell was supposed to be so much faster and capable............yet those things never materialized. It was that DEVS that made the games shine DESPITE the hardware. Will be the same this gen.navyguy21

Except Sony still has the best 1st party devs in the industry.

I wouldn't say that, Hardware will definitely come into play.

We might not see real differences between the systems until atleast a year or 2 after launch however, there is a gap there.

"Graphics don't matter"

"FPS doesn't matter"

I guess they only matter when you want them to.

[QUOTE="navyguy21"][QUOTE="ReadingRainbow4"]

Except Sony still has the best 1st party devs in the industry.

ReadingRainbow4

I wouldn't say that, Hardware will definitely come into play.

PS4 has better faster RAM & 50% higher grphics processing power. This has been known for months. The Cloud BS will keep Lems saying the X1 is close in performance. 

clr84651

[QUOTE="ReadingRainbow4"]

[QUOTE="navyguy21"] Thats very true, and THAT is why sony will have the advantage. Nothing to do with hardware.navyguy21

I wouldn't say that, Hardware will definitely come into play.

Someone wake me when ps4 games start to look better.

http://www.edge-online.com/news/power-struggle-the-real-differences-between-ps4-and-xbox-one-performance/

PlayStation 4 is currently around 50 per cent faster than its rival Xbox One. Multiple high-level game development sources have described the difference in performance between the consoles as significant and obvious.

Our contacts have told us that memory reads on PS4 are 40-50 per cent quicker than Xbox One, and its ALU (Arithmetic Logic Unit) is around 50 per cent faster. One basic example we were given suggested that without optimisation for either console, a platform-agnostic development build can run at around 30FPS in 1920×1080 on PS4, but itll run at 20-something FPS in 1600×900 on Xbox One. Xbox One is weaker and its a pain to use its ESRAM, concluded one developer.

Microsoft is aware of the problem and, having recently upped the clock speed of Xbox One, is working hard to close the gap on PS4, though one developer we spoke to downplayed the move. The clock speed update is not significant, it does not change things that much, he said. Of course, something is better than nothing.

drakekratos

More at the source.

This is yet another article with devs stating how much more powerful PS4 is. MS wants you to pay $100 extra for a weaker console... they say Kinect adds value, but their are no games for Kinect.

That dev who claimed in your Edge link should have put their name on it.

http://www.videogamer.com/news/xbox_one_and_ps4_have_no_advantage_over_the_other_says_redlynx.html

Speaking to VideoGamer.com at E3, Ilvessuo said: " Obviously we have been developing this game for a while and you can see the comparisons. I would say if you know how to use the platform they are both very powerful. I don't see a benefit over the other with any of the consoles."

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http://www.videogamer.com/xboxone/metal_gear_solid_5_the_phantom_pain/news/ps4_and_xbox_one_power_difference_is_minimal_says_kojima.html

"The difference is small, and I don't really need to worry about it," he said, suggesting versions for Xbox One and PS4 won't be dramatically different.

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http://gamingbolt.com/ubisoft-explains-the-difference-between-ps4-and-xbox-one-versions-of-watch_dogs

"Of course, the Xbox One isnt to be counted out. We asked Guay how the Xbox One version of Watch_Dogs would be different compared to the PC and PS4 versions of the game, to which he replied that, The Xbox One is a powerful platform, as of now we do not foresee a major difference in on screen result between the PS4 and the Xbox One. Obviously since we are still working on pushing the game on these new consoles, we are still doing R&D."

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"We're still very much in the R&D period, that's what I call it, because the hardware is still new," Guay answered. "It's obvious to us that its going to take a little while before we can get to the full power of those machines and harness everything. But, even now we realise that both of them have comparable power, and for us thats good, but everyday it changes almost. Were pushing it and were going to continue doing that until [Watch Dogs] ship date."

http://www.polygon.com/2013/8/1/4580380/carmack-on-next-gen-console-hardware-very-close-very-good

Carmack on next-gen console hardware: 'very close,' 'very good'

http://www.edge-online.com/news/gaijin-games-on-why-war-thunder-isnt-coming-to-xbox-one/

How much more powerful?

AY: It depends what youre doing. GPU, like 40 per cent more powerful. DDR5 is basically 50 per cent more powerful than DDR3, but the memory write [performance] is bigger on Xbox One so it depends on what youre doing.

How is that going to translate to on-screen results for the kinds of games you want to make? So to optimise War Thunder on both consoles you could hypothetically make a better, prettier version on PS4?

AY: Yep.

KY: Probably yes. But again, thats not a very big deal.

http://www.edge-online.com/news/power-struggle-the-real-differences-between-ps4-and-xbox-one-performance/

Xbox One does, however, boast superior performance to PS4 in other ways. Lets say you are using procedural generation or raytracing via parametric surfaces that is, using a lot of memory writes and not much texturing or ALU Xbox One will be likely be faster, said one developer

PS; Without the effective ESRAM usage, X1's GCN can be reduced into 7770 like results.

I feel sorry for the ignorant people that will buy the Xbone. tenaka2

Been saying it for months, no one believes me, blah blah blah, crazy Shensolidus, yeah I get it.

Yeah, the X1 is having problems right now, and its kind of in a sorry state across the board. I hope MS can straighten out... well, everything really, in time for launch. The stuff that is not even half of what they claim it is on the OS side is going to leave a lot of day 1 buyers burned.

[QUOTE="navyguy21"][QUOTE="ReadingRainbow4"]

Except Sony still has the best 1st party devs in the industry.

ReadingRainbow4

I wouldn't say that, Hardware will definitely come into play.

We might not see real differences between the systems until atleast a year or 2 after launch however, there is a gap there.

Been saying it for months, no one believes me, blah blah blah, crazy Shensolidus, yeah I get it.

Yeah, the X1 is having problems right now, and its kind of in a sorry state across the board. I hope MS can straighten out... well, everything really, in time for launch. The stuff that is not even half of what they claim it is on the OS side is going to leave a lot of day 1 buyers burned.

Shensolidus

I feel sorry for the ignorant people that will buy the Xbone. tenaka2

This thread again?

It's clear, by looking at specs, that PS4 is slightly more powerful than X1. Will the difference be massive in games? No.

"Xbox One does, however, boast superior performance to PS4 in other ways. Lets say you are using procedural generation or raytracing via parametric surfaces that is, using a lot of memory writes and not much texturing or ALU Xbox One will be likely be faster, said one developer." From your article...navyguy21

So good Raytracing horrible and not many textures.?

No one ever disputes that. People refute cows exaggeration of the differences like they did last gen when the PS3 was supposed to be so much faster..........the cell was supposed to be so much faster and capable............yet those things never materialized. It was that DEVS that made the games shine DESPITE the hardware. Will be the same this gen.navyguy21

WTF.?

You know the xbox 360 has a way stronger and faster GPU than the PS3.? You do know that without Cell the PS3 would have been blown out of the water by the xbox 360,the combination of the 2 is what actually helped the PS3 stay there and even surpass the 360 graphically.

So tell me again how Cell help never materialized.? Post processing was done on Cell on the xbox 360 was done on the Xenos,the smae with many other task,Cell was very powerful and worket for sony.

Comparing the PS3 vs 360 with the Ps4 vs xbox one,show how little you know about hardware and how closes minded if your view on this,you may claim that cows are exagerating buy your are not better when you hold tied to the PS3 and Cell/

RSX = Nvidia

Xenos = AMD.

This gen both consoles come from the same vendor of CPU and GPU,both have GPU from the same line one is stronger,one has faster more straigh forward memory,in fact developers are claming increadibly easy to work with hardware from the PS4.

The Crew game was powr by 3 people to the PS4,the time to trieangle a game is way fast on PS4,and not having to deal with ESRAM is making developers life easier on PS4 than on xbox one how could that be.? So not only the PS4 is stronger is been claim to be easier to which is incredible.

http://www.edge-online.com/news/power-struggle-the-real-differences-between-ps4-and-xbox-one-performance/

 

PlayStation 4 is currently around 50 per cent faster than its rival Xbox One. Multiple high-level game development sources have described the difference in performance between the consoles as significant and obvious.

Our contacts have told us that memory reads on PS4 are 40-50 per cent quicker than Xbox One, and its ALU (Arithmetic Logic Unit) is around 50 per cent faster. One basic example we were given suggested that without optimisation for either console, a platform-agnostic development build can run at around 30FPS in 1920×1080 on PS4, but itll run at 20-something FPS in 1600×900 on Xbox One. Xbox One is weaker and its a pain to use its ESRAM, concluded one developer.

Microsoft is aware of the problem and, having recently upped the clock speed of Xbox One, is working hard to close the gap on PS4, though one developer we spoke to downplayed the move. The clock speed update is not significant, it does not change things that much, he said. Of course, something is better than nothing.

drakekratos

 

More at the source.

 

This is yet another article with devs stating how much more powerful PS4 is. MS wants you to pay $100 extra for a weaker console... they say Kinect adds value, but their are no games for Kinect. 

false the PS4 gpu does not have 50% more processing power. 1.31 TFLOP vs 1.84 TFLOP is only a 29% difference , 1.31 is 71% the processing power of 1.84. There is only a 530 GFLOP difference between the two gpu's You can take 7770 vs 7790 or even a 7850 vs 7870 gpu's which have 505 and 800 GFLOP differences and yet at same settings 1080 resolutions there is only a 8-12 fps differences. There will only be minor differences between these consoles. 04dcarraher

Lets see what word we should take a developers one,or your butthurt biased opinion..

The PS4 has a damn PITCAIR GPU the xbox one BONAIRE,so no you can't compare 7770 to 7790 because that doesn't represent the situation here.

In the end is 1.31TF with 10% GPU reservation,which is 1.18 TF lower than 7770 performance period nothing the xbox one does with ESRAM,DME or any crap will chage that.

And just 5 to 12 FPS.? Bullsh**..

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/product/857?vs=778

As much as 24FPS difference in some games.

Dirt 1080p Ultra quality 4XMSAA

7870= 105 FPS

7850= 81 FPS

Sleeping Dogs as much as 19FPS difference.

BF3 as much as 14 FPS.

Hitman as much as 12 FPS.

Farcry 3 as much as 10FPS.

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/product/776?vs=777

7790 vs 7770 the same.

Dirt same settings 1080 Ultra MSAA X 4

7790 = 74

7770 = 57

Look at Hitman minimun frame test.

7790  38FPS playable.

7770 22FPS horrible.

Even compare using your poin still the difference can ammount to as high as 24 FPS,but even a 10FPS difference is enough to send the xbox one version into unplayable or horrible.

[QUOTE="tenaka2"]I feel sorry for the ignorant people that will buy the Xbone. remiks00

The problem is that for a lot of the public it will not be an informed choice. A lot of people will buy the xbox one without knowing how bad it is, less powerful, kinect focused, draconian operating rules.

Hopefully the wider press with highlight how bad it is before launch and prevent people gettign ripped off by microsoft.

http://www.edge-online.com/news/power-struggle-the-real-differences-between-ps4-and-xbox-one-performance/

 

PlayStation 4 is currently around 50 per cent faster than its rival Xbox One. Multiple high-level game development sources have described the difference in performance between the consoles as significant and obvious.

Our contacts have told us that memory reads on PS4 are 40-50 per cent quicker than Xbox One, and its ALU (Arithmetic Logic Unit) is around 50 per cent faster. One basic example we were given suggested that without optimisation for either console, a platform-agnostic development build can run at around 30FPS in 1920×1080 on PS4, but itll run at 20-something FPS in 1600×900 on Xbox One. Xbox One is weaker and its a pain to use its ESRAM, concluded one developer.

Microsoft is aware of the problem and, having recently upped the clock speed of Xbox One, is working hard to close the gap on PS4, though one developer we spoke to downplayed the move. The clock speed update is not significant, it does not change things that much, he said. Of course, something is better than nothing.

drakekratos

 

More at the source.

 

This is yet another article with devs stating how much more powerful PS4 is. MS wants you to pay $100 extra for a weaker console... they say Kinect adds value, but their are no games for Kinect. 

[QUOTE="04dcarraher"] false the PS4 gpu does not have 50% more processing power. 1.31 TFLOP vs 1.84 TFLOP is only a 29% difference , 1.31 is 71% the processing power of 1.84. There is only a 530 GFLOP difference between the two gpu's You can take 7770 vs 7790 or even a 7850 vs 7870 gpu's which have 505 and 800 GFLOP differences and yet at same settings 1080 resolutions there is only a 8-12 fps differences. There will only be minor differences between these consoles. tormentos

Lets see what word we should take a developers one,or your butthurt biased opinion..

The PS4 has a damn PITCAIR GPU the xbox one BONAIRE,so no you can't compare 7770 to 7790 because that doesn't represent the situation here.

In the end is 1.31TF with 10% GPU reservation,which is 1.18 TF lower than 7770 performance period nothing the xbox one does with ESRAM,DME or any crap will chage that.

And just 5 to 12 FPS.? Bullsh**..

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/product/857?vs=778

As much as 24FPS difference in some games.

Dirt 1080p Ultra quality 4XMSAA

7870= 105 FPS

7850= 81 FPS

Sleeping Dogs as much as 19FPS difference.

BF3 as much as 14 FPS.

Hitman as much as 12 FPS.

Farcry 3 as much as 10FPS.

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/product/776?vs=777

7790 vs 7770 the same.

Dirt same settings 1080 Ultra MSAA X 4

7790 = 74

7770 = 57

Look at Hitman minimun frame test.

7790  38FPS playable.

7770 22FPS horrible.

Even compare using your poin still the difference can ammount to as high as 24 FPS,but even a 10FPS difference is enough to send the xbox one version into unplayable or horrible.

you are doing it again, comparing the GPU on each platform to there so called 'real world counterpart' in Graphics cards is completely useless mate, Both GPU's are custom.delta3074

Because both GPU are almost identical t their PS counterparts and is the PS4 one the GPU that is heavily modified for compute not the xbox one GPU,as of now the xbox one GPU look like a 7790 with 2 less CU and lower clock speed and bigger bus.

Also read what i was quoting.

Fact is the PS4 is fine tune to take advantage of compute the xbox one is not,the PS4 is stronger,the PS4 is very easy to code for,to the point where some think is actually easier than the xbox one,do to not having any middle man like ESRAM.

[QUOTE="ReadingRainbow4"]

[QUOTE="navyguy21"] Thats very true, and THAT is why sony will have the advantage. Nothing to do with hardware.Shensolidus

I wouldn't say that, Hardware will definitely come into play.

We might not see real differences between the systems until atleast a year or 2 after launch however, there is a gap there.

[QUOTE="delta3074"]you are doing it again, comparing the GPU on each platform to there so called 'real world counterpart' in Graphics cards is completely useless mate, Both GPU's are custom.tormentos

Because both GPU are almost identical t their PS counterparts and is the PS4 one the GPU that is heavily modified for compute not the xbox one GPU,as of now the xbox one GPU look like a 7790 with 2 less CU and lower clock speed and bigger bus.

Also read what i was quoting.

Fact is the PS4 is fine tune to take advantage of compute the xbox one is not,the PS4 is stronger,the PS4 is very easy to code for,to the point where some think is actually easier than the xbox one,do to not having any middle man like ESRAM.

Probably already posted but MS recently responded with this:

Ten years ago, you could argue that a consoles power was summed up in terms of a few of its specs, but Xbox One is designed as a powerful machine to deliver the best blockbuster games today and for the next decade.

Xbox One architecture is much more complex than what any single figure can convey. It was designed with balanced performance in mind, and we think the games we continue to show running on near-final hardware demonstrate that performance. In the end, well let the consoles and their games speak for themselves.

Look, you guys screwed up the hardware ... period! It has DDR3, ESRAM, and data move engines in it when it doesn't need to because you weren't able to accurately predict that 8 gigs of GDDR5 would be possible in 2013. Additionally, you've got other stuff eating up even more of the APU space like audio chips because you've got such a hard-on for Kinect. The APU is just as big and expensive as PS4's APU but its graphics processing is significantly weaker because you've got so much unnessary crap on it. You found out about this disparity many months before launch and you did NOTHING about it save for some meaningless upclocks, something a kid can do to his/her computer. You made your bed, now lay in it. I preferred it when MS just claimed that power doesn't matter. But all this bs about the consoles being technically equal is just that ... bs. MS messed up the design of the innards of this console as badly as Sony did the PS3. They've managed to pay the same thing for 30%-50% less power and they act amazed that anyone questions them about it.