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[QUOTE="ReadingRainbow4"]

Microsoft is going to try their hardest to put these guys out of business, lol.

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They should worry about finding a new manager for the Xbox division first lol

Xbots can longer refute that PS4 is much strongerdrakekratos
You're truly a sad little fanboy, aren't you.
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#52 clone01
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Heres my prediction.  XBox One and PS4 will release largely the same library, and the games will look and play about the same.  I might be wrong, guess we will see in the coming gen.

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#53 Wickerman777
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Heres my prediction.  XBox One and PS4 will release largely the same library, and the games will look and play about the same.  I might be wrong, guess we will see in the coming gen.

clone01

Probably at first. But a year or two after launch the difference will be pretty easy to notice. But hey, maybe that's all the time MS will need to build up momentum.

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#54 EG101
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I wonder how much Sony paid Edge to publish this nonsense.

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#55 clone01
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[QUOTE="clone01"]

Heres my prediction.  XBox One and PS4 will release largely the same library, and the games will look and play about the same.  I might be wrong, guess we will see in the coming gen.

Wickerman777

Probably at first. But a year or two after launch the difference will be pretty easy to notice. But hey, maybe that's all the time MS will need to build up momentum.

Guess we'll see. Didn't really happen this gen. Look, I'll be the first to say that PS3 exclusives probably have a little better "spit shine" polish to them, but to say something like Gears 3 looks shabby is erroneous. Consolites (and I am a console-only gamer) do this ridiculous d*ck waving contest every generation.
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#56 Wickerman777
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[QUOTE="Wickerman777"]

[QUOTE="clone01"]

Heres my prediction.  XBox One and PS4 will release largely the same library, and the games will look and play about the same.  I might be wrong, guess we will see in the coming gen.

clone01

Probably at first. But a year or two after launch the difference will be pretty easy to notice. But hey, maybe that's all the time MS will need to build up momentum.

Guess we'll see. Didn't really happen this gen. Look, I'll be the first to say that PS3 exclusives probably have a little better "spit shine" polish to them, but to say something like Gears 3 looks shabby is erroneous. Consolites (and I am a console-only gamer) do this ridiculous d*ck waving contest every generation.

You're bringing up the current gen but imo there's more separating Xbox One and PS4 than there is PS3 and Xbox 360 ... quite a bit more.

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You're bringing up the current gen but imo there's more separating Xbox One and PS4 than there is PS3 and Xbox 360 ... quite a bit more.Wickerman777
Okay. Like I said. Guess we'll see. I think my prediction is going to be closer than yours though. But hey, If I'm wrong, so be it.
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#58 HAMMERCLAW
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I wonder how much Sony paid Edge to publish this nonsense.

EG101

What ever it was, it certainly gave them the "EDGE". It's not about who has the biggest pair---it's how the total package performs. We won't really know until we can set the consoles side-by-side and pop the same game in both. Xbox One, baby, BAD TO THE BONE!

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[QUOTE="Wickerman777"]You're bringing up the current gen but imo there's more separating Xbox One and PS4 than there is PS3 and Xbox 360 ... quite a bit more.clone01
Okay. Like I said. Guess we'll see. I think my prediction is going to be closer than yours though. But hey, If I'm wrong, so be it.

The problem with PS3 is that it had a lot of theoretical advantages but those advantages rarely showed up in real-world situations because the hardware design was so complicated. But PS4 doesn't have that problem. Just like the PS3 it has the edge on paper but the big difference this time is that the architecture is simplistic as well.

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PS4 devs have set themselves up to where any PS4 games that isn't leagues better on a technical level than any X1 game is clearly a sign of developer incompetence.  Not to mention that the X1 game is a miracle as it's doing things that are technically impossible akin to running Crysis on ultra on a 486.

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Its pretty obvious that PS4 is by far the best bang for the buck... hell its been obvious since E3.

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Tell that to the lemz, they still not believe it...:lol:

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'almost identical' and you have to factor in the rest of a consoles architecture to do a decent comparison between power, you know this tormentos, you just have to be patient, i have a feeling your day is coming just not yet:)delta3074

Like what.?

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Guess we'll see. Didn't really happen this gen. Look, I'll be the first to say that PS3 exclusives probably have a little better "spit shine" polish to them, but to say something like Gears 3 looks shabby is erroneous. Consolites (and I am a console-only gamer) do this ridiculous d*ck waving contest every generation.clone01

 

The PS2 sold 100 million in 5 years the PS3 is like 80 in 7 years,so going by pass generation is not always right.

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[QUOTE="ConanTheStoner"]

Its pretty obvious that PS4 is by far the best bang for the buck... hell its been obvious since E3.

aroxx_ab

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Tell that to the lemz, they still not believe it...:lol:

I just wish they'd fix that controller and ape MS's achievements system completely. Yeah, I get why the controller is the way it is. They don't want to piss in the Kool-Aid of long-time Playstation owners. But times have changed!!! The d-pad is barely used anymore. Makes no sense to me to give it such prized real estate on the pad. At least make a secondary design of the pad where you've got the d-pad and the left analog stick's positions swapped ... a v2 that can only be bought separately. That would make it much more attractive to me. As far as achievements and trophies go it's hard for me to even explain why I prefer MS's system. I just do. It's like asking someone why they prefer the color blue over green. They can't explain why. The trophies are already clearly influenced by MS's system. If you're gonna steal something don't half-ass it, do it all the way.

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#65 blackace
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LOL

not this thread again

KBFloYd

I was thinking the same thing. Cows are sooooooooooo stupid?

I'll be waiting and waiting and waiting for devs to released a PS4 game that actually shows it's 50% more powerful then an XBox One game. No game so far proves that point. Prove it in the game, not on paper.

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[QUOTE="clone01"] Guess we'll see. Didn't really happen this gen. Look, I'll be the first to say that PS3 exclusives probably have a little better "spit shine" polish to them, but to say something like Gears 3 looks shabby is erroneous. Consolites (and I am a console-only gamer) do this ridiculous d*ck waving contest every generation.tormentos

 

The PS2 sold 100 million in 5 years the PS3 is like 80 in 7 years,so going by pass generation is not always right.

The PS2 didn't sell 100 million in 5 years. Took like 7 years. The PS2 was discontinued in Dec 2012. What did sales have to do with how great Gears of War 3 looked?

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[QUOTE="clone01"] Guess we'll see. Didn't really happen this gen. Look, I'll be the first to say that PS3 exclusives probably have a little better "spit shine" polish to them, but to say something like Gears 3 looks shabby is erroneous. Consolites (and I am a console-only gamer) do this ridiculous d*ck waving contest every generation.tormentos

 

The PS2 sold 100 million in 5 years the PS3 is like 80 in 7 years,so going by pass generation is not always right.

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[QUOTE="delta3074"] 'almost identical' and you have to factor in the rest of a consoles architecture to do a decent comparison between power, you know this tormentos, you just have to be patient, i have a feeling your day is coming just not yet:)tormentos

Like what.?

how the rest of the architecture effects the performance of the console, in the early years of the Ps3 they had a problem with a bottle neck becasue they where trying to do all the Graphics on the GPU and allowing it to use the RAM allocated for the Cell, then they had the amazingly Clever idea of using the Cell to do a lot of the GPU's work so the bottleneck that occured when the GPU tried to access the CPU's memory pool was eleiminated. You can have a powerful GPU but it can either be helped or hindered by the rest of the Hardware. Example: having a high end GPU gimped by high RAM latency.
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[QUOTE="Wickerman777"]You're bringing up the current gen but imo there's more separating Xbox One and PS4 than there is PS3 and Xbox 360 ... quite a bit more.clone01
Okay. Like I said. Guess we'll see. I think my prediction is going to be closer than yours though. But hey, If I'm wrong, so be it.

LOL. xbone and ps4 could be as different as night and day and people like you would still come into say shit like "i dont see the difference" lawl.
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[QUOTE="tormentos"]

[QUOTE="delta3074"] 'almost identical' and you have to factor in the rest of a consoles architecture to do a decent comparison between power, you know this tormentos, you just have to be patient, i have a feeling your day is coming just not yet:)delta3074

Like what.?

how the rest of the architecture effects the performance of the console, in the early years of the Ps3 they had a problem with a bottle neck becasue they where trying to do all the Graphics on the GPU and allowing it to use the RAM allocated for the Cell, then they had the amazingly Clever idea of using the Cell to do a lot of the GPU's work so the bottleneck that occured when the GPU tried to access the CPU's memory pool was eleiminated. You can have a powerful GPU but it can either be helped or hindered by the rest of the Hardware. Example: having a high end GPU gimped by high RAM latency.

Look, I know you had a love affair with your Xbox,  but why do you feel the need to continue defending the Xbone now that you're gonna cheat on it with the PS4?

The Xbox ONE's architecture is even worse than the PS4's.

Insiders have been saying that the PS4's architecture was more efficient and that real-world performance was very close to the theoretical performance (172 GB/s Realworld bandwidth out of 176 GB/s theoretical bandwidth). It's the Xbox ONE that's having difficult reaching even 65% of its theoretical performance. The eSRAM's realworld bandwidth is 133 GB/s out of 218 GB/s theoretical bandwidth.

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#71 clone01
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[QUOTE="clone01"][QUOTE="Wickerman777"]You're bringing up the current gen but imo there's more separating Xbox One and PS4 than there is PS3 and Xbox 360 ... quite a bit more.L0mak
Okay. Like I said. Guess we'll see. I think my prediction is going to be closer than yours though. But hey, If I'm wrong, so be it.

LOL. xbone and ps4 could be as different as night and day and people like you would still come into say shit like "i dont see the difference" lawl.

Prove me wrong. Do you really see a huge gap between ps3/360 or ps2/Xbox. I don't, and I fully admit that a lot of ps3 exclusives look the best this gen. But leaps and bounds? Nope. Console fanboys play this silly game. Really, though, PC smokes them.
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#72 clone01
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[QUOTE="delta3074"][QUOTE="tormentos"]

Like what.?

Sonysexual1

how the rest of the architecture effects the performance of the console, in the early years of the Ps3 they had a problem with a bottle neck becasue they where trying to do all the Graphics on the GPU and allowing it to use the RAM allocated for the Cell, then they had the amazingly Clever idea of using the Cell to do a lot of the GPU's work so the bottleneck that occured when the GPU tried to access the CPU's memory pool was eleiminated. You can have a powerful GPU but it can either be helped or hindered by the rest of the Hardware. Example: having a high end GPU gimped by high RAM latency.

Look, I know you had a love affair with your Xbox,  but why do you feel the need to continue defending the Xbone now that you're gonna cheat on it with the PS4?

The Xbox ONE's architecture is even worse than the PS4's.

Who cares? I enjoyed SMG 1 & 2, and those graphics were sd.
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[QUOTE="delta3074"][QUOTE="tormentos"]

Like what.?

Sonysexual1

how the rest of the architecture effects the performance of the console, in the early years of the Ps3 they had a problem with a bottle neck becasue they where trying to do all the Graphics on the GPU and allowing it to use the RAM allocated for the Cell, then they had the amazingly Clever idea of using the Cell to do a lot of the GPU's work so the bottleneck that occured when the GPU tried to access the CPU's memory pool was eleiminated. You can have a powerful GPU but it can either be helped or hindered by the rest of the Hardware. Example: having a high end GPU gimped by high RAM latency.

Look, I know you had a love affair with your Xbox,  but why do you feel the need to continue defending the Xbone now that you're gonna cheat on it with the PS4?

The Xbox ONE's architecture is even worse than the PS4's.

Insiders have been saying that the PS4's architecture was more efficient and that real-world performance was very close to the theoretical performance (172 GB/s Realworld bandwidth out of 176 GB/s theoretical bandwidth). It's the Xbox ONE that's having difficult reaching even 65% of its theoretical performance. The eSRAM's realworld bandwidth is 133 GB/s out of 218 GB/s theoretical bandwidth.

What? i am getting a Ps4 you moron and i already know that the Ps4 will have an edge in power, i was just pointing out that you cannot really use Graphics cards as a comparison for Console GPU's and that power is not just determined by a consoles GPU/CPU, i suggest you read through the whole conversation before coming in here making yourself look like an idiot.
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[QUOTE="delta3074"]how the rest of the architecture effects the performance of the console, in the early years of the Ps3 they had a problem with a bottle neck becasue they where trying to do all the Graphics on the GPU and allowing it to use the RAM allocated for the Cell, then they had the amazingly Clever idea of using the Cell to do a lot of the GPU's work so the bottleneck that occured when the GPU tried to access the CPU's memory pool was eleiminated. You can have a powerful GPU but it can either be helped or hindered by the rest of the Hardware. Example: having a high end GPU gimped by high RAM latency.clone01

Look, I know you had a love affair with your Xbox,  but why do you feel the need to continue defending the Xbone now that you're gonna cheat on it with the PS4?

The Xbox ONE's architecture is even worse than the PS4's.

Who cares? I enjoyed SMG 1 & 2, and those graphics were sd.

Xboners should care...

The Xbone has a worse controller, worse specs, and no good games. Their best game Halo is now a shadow of its former self. There is nothing on Microsoft's side that redeems this POS of a console.

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[QUOTE="Sonysexual1"]

[QUOTE="delta3074"]how the rest of the architecture effects the performance of the console, in the early years of the Ps3 they had a problem with a bottle neck becasue they where trying to do all the Graphics on the GPU and allowing it to use the RAM allocated for the Cell, then they had the amazingly Clever idea of using the Cell to do a lot of the GPU's work so the bottleneck that occured when the GPU tried to access the CPU's memory pool was eleiminated. You can have a powerful GPU but it can either be helped or hindered by the rest of the Hardware. Example: having a high end GPU gimped by high RAM latency.delta3074

Look, I know you had a love affair with your Xbox,  but why do you feel the need to continue defending the Xbone now that you're gonna cheat on it with the PS4?

The Xbox ONE's architecture is even worse than the PS4's.

Insiders have been saying that the PS4's architecture was more efficient and that real-world performance was very close to the theoretical performance (172 GB/s Realworld bandwidth out of 176 GB/s theoretical bandwidth). It's the Xbox ONE that's having difficult reaching even 65% of its theoretical performance. The eSRAM's realworld bandwidth is 133 GB/s out of 218 GB/s theoretical bandwidth.

What? i am getting a Ps4 you moron and i already know that the Ps4 will have an edge in power, i was just pointing out that you cannot really use Graphics cards as a comparison for Console GPU's and that power is not just determined by a consoles GPU/CPU, i suggest you read through the whole conversation before coming in here making yourself look like an idiot.

From the looks of it, you seem to like defending the Xbox ONE even though you're getting the PS4. Why is that?

You talk about architectural efficiency, yet the PS4's architecture is superior to the Xbox ONE's.

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[QUOTE="aroxx_ab"]

[QUOTE="ConanTheStoner"]

Its pretty obvious that PS4 is by far the best bang for the buck... hell its been obvious since E3.

Wickerman777

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Tell that to the lemz, they still not believe it...:lol:

I just wish they'd fix that controller and ape MS's achievements system completely. Yeah, I get why the controller is the way it is. They don't want to piss in the Kool-Aid of long-time Playstation owners. But times have changed!!! The d-pad is barely used anymore. Makes no sense to me to give it such prized real estate on the pad. At least make a secondary design of the pad where you've got the d-pad and the left analog stick's positions swapped ... a v2 that can only be bought separately. That would make it much more attractive to me. As far as achievements and trophies go it's hard for me to even explain why I prefer MS's system. I just do. It's like asking someone why they prefer the color blue over green. They can't explain why. The trophies are already clearly influenced by MS's system. If you're gonna steal something don't half-ass it, do it all the way.

Prepare to play the worse multiplats dude...:P

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[QUOTE="delta3074"][QUOTE="Sonysexual1"]

Look, I know you had a love affair with your Xbox,  but why do you feel the need to continue defending the Xbone now that you're gonna cheat on it with the PS4?

The Xbox ONE's architecture is even worse than the PS4's.

Insiders have been saying that the PS4's architecture was more efficient and that real-world performance was very close to the theoretical performance (172 GB/s Realworld bandwidth out of 176 GB/s theoretical bandwidth). It's the Xbox ONE that's having difficult reaching even 65% of its theoretical performance. The eSRAM's realworld bandwidth is 133 GB/s out of 218 GB/s theoretical bandwidth.

Sonysexual1

What? i am getting a Ps4 you moron and i already know that the Ps4 will have an edge in power, i was just pointing out that you cannot really use Graphics cards as a comparison for Console GPU's and that power is not just determined by a consoles GPU/CPU, i suggest you read through the whole conversation before coming in here making yourself look like an idiot.

From the looks of it, you seem to like defending the Xbox ONE even though you're getting the PS4. Why is that?

You talk about architectural efficiency, yet the PS4's architecture is superior to the Xbox ONE's.

Come back when you have read through the whole conversation and you actually understand what you are talking about, i wasn't defending the Xb1 at all, i was pointing out that tormentos keeps using Graphics cards to try and compare performance between Console GPU's, if you actually read the whole conversation i also said that tormentos would have his day on this, he just needs to be patient and wait for some proper benchmarks on the both sets of harware as a whole.
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[QUOTE="Sonysexual1"]

[QUOTE="delta3074"]What? i am getting a Ps4 you moron and i already know that the Ps4 will have an edge in power, i was just pointing out that you cannot really use Graphics cards as a comparison for Console GPU's and that power is not just determined by a consoles GPU/CPU, i suggest you read through the whole conversation before coming in here making yourself look like an idiot.delta3074

From the looks of it, you seem to like defending the Xbox ONE even though you're getting the PS4. Why is that?

You talk about architectural efficiency, yet the PS4's architecture is superior to the Xbox ONE's.

Come back when you have read through the whole conversation and you actually understand what you are talking about, i wasn't defending the Xb1 at all, i was pointing out that tormentos keeps using Graphics cards to try and compare performance between Console GPU's, if you actually read the whole conversation i also said that tormentos would have his day on this, he just needs to be patient and wait for some proper benchmarks on the both sets of harware as a whole.

Just comparing the graphics card is being highly generous to the Xbone. The PS4's architecture is highly efficient and real-world performance is 95-99% of its theoretical performance.

The Xbone's inefficient architecture will allow only 50-65% of its theoretical power to be used.

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#79 clone01
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[QUOTE="clone01"][QUOTE="Sonysexual1"]

Look, I know you had a love affair with your Xbox,  but why do you feel the need to continue defending the Xbone now that you're gonna cheat on it with the PS4?

The Xbox ONE's architecture is even worse than the PS4's.

Sonysexual1

Who cares? I enjoyed SMG 1 & 2, and those graphics were sd.

Xboners should care...

The Xbone has a worse controller, worse specs, and no good games. Their best game Halo is now a shadow of its former self. There is nothing on Microsoft's side that redeems this POS of a console.

Sure there are. If it has games one wants to play, there you go. You really want to get caught up in the ridiculous measuring of console capabilities? Again that's a battle that PC wins easily.
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The Xbone's inefficient architecture will allow only 50-65% of its theoretical power to be used.Sonysexual1
How would you know? Yes i am sure MS went with hardware they can only use 65% of the power on *rolls eyes* If you are not a game developer then shut the hell up dude or provide evidence that a game developer has actually said that about the XB 1 I am pretty sure the Ps4 will be more powerful but i won't abide people pulling percentages out of there backside dude.
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If this is true it might make go ps4 first. I've been leaning Xbox first and ps4 later. Now I'm thinking wait 6 months to see if this is truly the case.
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[QUOTE="Sonysexual1"]

[QUOTE="clone01"] Who cares? I enjoyed SMG 1 & 2, and those graphics were sd.clone01

Xboners should care...

The Xbone has a worse controller, worse specs, and no good games. Their best game Halo is now a shadow of its former self. There is nothing on Microsoft's side that redeems this POS of a console.

Sure there are. If it has games one wants to play, there you go. You really want to get caught up in the ridiculous measuring of console capabilities? Again that's a battle that PC wins easily.

Xboners will play on a cheap, madcatz clone controller that's worse than the DS3 (Yes, you read that correctly. The DS3, not the DS4). Professional critics and gamers alike (Including myself) have attested to the superiority of the DS4.

Xboners will suffer from horrendous multiplat ports. Confirmed by devs, Edge insiders, and Shensolidus.

Xboners will have no exclusive worth owning. Halo is trash now. How can a gaming company have no good game?

Again, what is on the Xbone that will redeem its inferiority?

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[QUOTE="Sonysexual1"]The Xbone's inefficient architecture will allow only 50-65% of its theoretical power to be used.delta3074
How would you know? Yes i am sure MS went with hardware they can only use 65% of the power on *rolls eyes* If you are not a game developer then shut the hell up dude or provide evidence that a game developer has actually said that about the XB 1 I am pretty sure the Ps4 will be more powerful but i won't abide people pulling percentages out of there backside dude.

Digital Foundry confirmed that the eSRAM can only use 133 GB/s out of its theoretical max of 218 GB/s.

The PS4's realworld bandwidth is 172 GB/s out of its theoretical max of 176 GB/s.

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#84 delta3074
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[QUOTE="clone01"][QUOTE="Sonysexual1"]

Xboners should care...

The Xbone has a worse controller, worse specs, and no good games. Their best game Halo is now a shadow of its former self. There is nothing on Microsoft's side that redeems this POS of a console.

Sonysexual1

Sure there are. If it has games one wants to play, there you go. You really want to get caught up in the ridiculous measuring of console capabilities? Again that's a battle that PC wins easily.

Xboners will play on a cheap, madcatz clone controller that's worse than the DS3 (Yes, you read that correctly. The DS3, not the DS4). Professional critics and gamers alike (Including myself) have attested to the superiority of the DS4.

Xboners will suffer from horrendous multiplat ports. Confirmed by devs, Edge insiders, and Shensolidus.

Xboners will have no exclusive worth owning. Halo is trash now. How can a gaming company have no good game?

Again, what is on the Xbone that will redeem its inferiority?

where did a edge say the XB1 would have horrendous multiplat games? Why do you keep saying people have said things that, clearly ,they have not said? You are just a SONY drone spouting useless drivel, somebody get this man a Bib.
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[QUOTE="Sonysexual1"]The Xbone's inefficient architecture will allow only 50-65% of its theoretical power to be used.delta3074
How would you know? Yes i am sure MS went with hardware they can only use 65% of the power on *rolls eyes* If you are not a game developer then shut the hell up dude or provide evidence that a game developer has actually said that about the XB 1 I am pretty sure the Ps4 will be more powerful but i won't abide people pulling percentages out of there backside dude.

The percenatages don't come out of anyone's backside: 18 CUs vs 12 CUs = 40%-50% difference. Really couldn't be anymore simple.

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#86 clone01
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[QUOTE="clone01"][QUOTE="Sonysexual1"]

Xboners should care...

The Xbone has a worse controller, worse specs, and no good games. Their best game Halo is now a shadow of its former self. There is nothing on Microsoft's side that redeems this POS of a console.

Sonysexual1

Sure there are. If it has games one wants to play, there you go. You really want to get caught up in the ridiculous measuring of console capabilities? Again that's a battle that PC wins easily.

Xboners will play on a cheap, madcatz clone controller that's worse than the DS3 (Yes, you read that correctly. The DS3, not the DS4). Professional critics and gamers alike (Including myself) have attested to the superiority of the DS4.

Xboners will suffer from horrendous multiplat ports. Confirmed by devs, Edge insiders, and Shensolidus.

Xboners will have no exclusive worth owning. Halo is trash now. How can a gaming company have no good game?

Again, what is on the Xbone that will redeem its inferiority?

I like Halo a lot. Us your opinion a gauge of fact?
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[QUOTE="Sonysexual1"]

[QUOTE="clone01"] Sure there are. If it has games one wants to play, there you go. You really want to get caught up in the ridiculous measuring of console capabilities? Again that's a battle that PC wins easily.clone01

Xboners will play on a cheap, madcatz clone controller that's worse than the DS3 (Yes, you read that correctly. The DS3, not the DS4). Professional critics and gamers alike (Including myself) have attested to the superiority of the DS4.

Xboners will suffer from horrendous multiplat ports. Confirmed by devs, Edge insiders, and Shensolidus.

Xboners will have no exclusive worth owning. Halo is trash now. How can a gaming company have no good game?

Again, what is on the Xbone that will redeem its inferiority?

I like Halo a lot. Us your opinion a gauge of fact?

So did I. It's now a trash series on life support. Halo devs have been caught saying that they don't know what's wrong and that they don't know how to fix their damaged brand.

It's game over, xboners. No good games. Inferior multiplats. Crap controller that makes DS3 feel like gold. Dead online community. Overpriced.

It's like the perfect storm. Microsoft could not have been in a worse position if they even tried. :lol:

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#88 clone01
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[QUOTE="clone01"][QUOTE="Sonysexual1"]

Xboners will play on a cheap, madcatz clone controller that's worse than the DS3 (Yes, you read that correctly. The DS3, not the DS4). Professional critics and gamers alike (Including myself) have attested to the superiority of the DS4.

Xboners will suffer from horrendous multiplat ports. Confirmed by devs, Edge insiders, and Shensolidus.

Xboners will have no exclusive worth owning. Halo is trash now. How can a gaming company have no good game?

Again, what is on the Xbone that will redeem its inferiority?

Sonysexual1

I like Halo a lot. Us your opinion a gauge of fact?

So did I. It's now a trash series on life support. Halo devs have been caught saying that they don't know what's wrong and that they don't know how to fix their damaged brand.

It's game over, xboners. No good games. Inferior multiplats. Crap controller that makes DS3 feel like gold. Dead online community. Overpriced.

It's like the perfect storm. Microsoft could not have been in a worse position if they even tried. :lol:

How is the series on life support? I thought Halo 4 was excellent. A lot if critics would agree. Is this you schtick or something?
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[QUOTE="Sonysexual1"]

[QUOTE="clone01"] I like Halo a lot. Us your opinion a gauge of fact?clone01

So did I. It's now a trash series on life support. Halo devs have been caught saying that they don't know what's wrong and that they don't know how to fix their damaged brand.

It's game over, xboners. No good games. Inferior multiplats. Crap controller that makes DS3 feel like gold. Dead online community. Overpriced.

It's like the perfect storm. Microsoft could not have been in a worse position if they even tried. :lol:

How is the series on life support? I thought Halo 4 was excellent. A lot if critics would agree. Is this you schtick or something?

You know 343i is in trouble if they don't know how to fix their series. :lol:

Microsoft will throw $500,000,000 to make Halo 5 into a cinematic experience. They are hoping that lots of cutscenes will compensate for the lack of Halo magic. It's too bad that 343i is a mediocre talentless studio.

Only Naughty Dog is able to create a perfect mix of cinematics with great gameplay. 343i will butcher the Halo series even further. Xboners would trade Halo for Naughty Dog in a heartbeat. I know I would if I were an Xboner.

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#90 delta3074
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[QUOTE="delta3074"][QUOTE="Sonysexual1"]The Xbone's inefficient architecture will allow only 50-65% of its theoretical power to be used.Wickerman777

How would you know? Yes i am sure MS went with hardware they can only use 65% of the power on *rolls eyes* If you are not a game developer then shut the hell up dude or provide evidence that a game developer has actually said that about the XB 1 I am pretty sure the Ps4 will be more powerful but i won't abide people pulling percentages out of there backside dude.

The percenatages don't come out of anyone's backside: 18 CUs vs 12 CUs = 40%-50% difference. Really couldn't be anymore simple.

Are you thick? we where talking about how much of it's theoretical power the XB1 could use, not the power difference between the XB1 and Ps4
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[QUOTE="KBFloYd"]

LOL

not this thread again

blackace

I was thinking the same thing. Cows are sooooooooooo stupid?

I'll be waiting and waiting and waiting for devs to released a PS4 game that actually shows it's 50% more powerful then an XBox One game. No game so far proves that point. Prove it in the game, not on paper.

 

Killzone SF >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Titanfall,Ryse,Dead Rising..

 

Infamous >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Titanfall,Ryse,Dead Rising..

 

You really most be completely blind to not see that killzone look better than any xbox one game,50% more power doesn't equate to 50% better graphics this is a fact even on PC.

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#92 Sonysexual1
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[QUOTE="Wickerman777"]

[QUOTE="delta3074"]How would you know? Yes i am sure MS went with hardware they can only use 65% of the power on *rolls eyes* If you are not a game developer then shut the hell up dude or provide evidence that a game developer has actually said that about the XB 1 I am pretty sure the Ps4 will be more powerful but i won't abide people pulling percentages out of there backside dude.delta3074

The percenatages don't come out of anyone's backside: 18 CUs vs 12 CUs = 40%-50% difference. Really couldn't be anymore simple.

Are you thick? we where talking about how much of it's theoretical power the XB1 could use, not the power difference between the XB1 and Ps4

133 GB/s out of 218 GB/s. You do the math, little boy.

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#93 tormentos
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The PS2 didn't sell 100 million in 5 years. Took like 7 years. The PS2 was discontinued in Dec 2012. What did sales have to do with how great Gears of War 3 looked?

blackace

 

http://www.1up.com/news/ps2-reaches-100-million

 

No it took just 5.

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#94 clone01
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[QUOTE="clone01"][QUOTE="Sonysexual1"]

So did I. It's now a trash series on life support. Halo devs have been caught saying that they don't know what's wrong and that they don't know how to fix their damaged brand.

It's game over, xboners. No good games. Inferior multiplats. Crap controller that makes DS3 feel like gold. Dead online community. Overpriced.

It's like the perfect storm. Microsoft could not have been in a worse position if they even tried. :lol:

Sonysexual1

How is the series on life support? I thought Halo 4 was excellent. A lot if critics would agree. Is this you schtick or something?

You know 343i is in trouble if they don't know how to fix their series. :lol:

Microsoft will throw $500,000,000 to make Halo 5 into a cinematic experience. They are hoping that lots of cutscenes will compensate for the lack of Halo magic. It's too bad that 343i is a mediocre talentless studio.

Only Naughty Dog is able to create a perfect mix of cinematics with great gameplay. 343i will butcher the Halo series even further. Xboners would trade Halo for Naughty Dog in a heartbeat. I know I would if I were an Xboner.

You didn't answer my question.
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[QUOTE="clone01"][QUOTE="Sonysexual1"]

So did I. It's now a trash series on life support. Halo devs have been caught saying that they don't know what's wrong and that they don't know how to fix their damaged brand.

It's game over, xboners. No good games. Inferior multiplats. Crap controller that makes DS3 feel like gold. Dead online community. Overpriced.

It's like the perfect storm. Microsoft could not have been in a worse position if they even tried. :lol:

Sonysexual1

How is the series on life support? I thought Halo 4 was excellent. A lot if critics would agree. Is this you schtick or something?

You know 343i is in trouble if they don't know how to fix their series. :lol:

Microsoft will throw $500,000,000 to make Halo 5 into a cinematic experience. They are hoping that lots of cutscenes will compensate for the lack of Halo magic. It's too bad that 343i is a mediocre talentless studio.

Only Naughty Dog is able to create a perfect mix of cinematics with great gameplay. 343i will butcher the Halo series even further. Xboners would trade Halo for Naughty Dog in a heartbeat. I know I would if I were an Xboner.

What do they need to Fix? it sold enough and it got good reviews? Halo is a dying Franchise? You people live in cloud cuckoo land.
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Heres my prediction.  XBox One and PS4 will release largely the same library, and the games will look and play about the same.  I might be wrong, guess we will see in the coming gen.

clone01

That's not bad prediction. The differences in a lot of the multiplat games may be negligible, but on account of this fact: MS has a clause that requires devs to scale the visual fidelity of their games, so that they're equal on each console. In the case of this upcoming generation, I'm assuming the PS4 versions will be scaled back.

We'll likely see substantial differences with 1st party games, though.

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More than raw horsepower, I'm interested in XBO's access to the Azure cloud and OS features like snapping apps (but most, if not all, of the worthwhile apps will require XBL Gold :/).

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how the rest of the architecture effects the performance of the console, in the early years of the Ps3 they had a problem with a bottle neck becasue they where trying to do all the Graphics on the GPU and allowing it to use the RAM allocated for the Cell, then they had the amazingly Clever idea of using the Cell to do a lot of the GPU's work so the bottleneck that occured when the GPU tried to access the CPU's memory pool was eleiminated. You can have a powerful GPU but it can either be helped or hindered by the rest of the Hardware. Example: having a high end GPU gimped by high RAM latency.delta3074

 

 

Ram allocated for Cell can't be use for the GPU.

No dude sony used SPE since day 1,just not all of them because many games were rush like any launch unit.

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#98 delta3074
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[QUOTE="delta3074"][QUOTE="Wickerman777"]

The percenatages don't come out of anyone's backside: 18 CUs vs 12 CUs = 40%-50% difference. Really couldn't be anymore simple.

Sonysexual1

Are you thick? we where talking about how much of it's theoretical power the XB1 could use, not the power difference between the XB1 and Ps4

133 GB/s out of 218 GB/s. You do the math, little boy.

Thats only the ESRAM , i asked how that factored in to the whole console(ie NOT just the ESRAM), you did not answer my question,and what the hell does that have to do with the fact the other guy got what we where both talking about out of context, you are VERY strange dude.
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[QUOTE="clone01"]

Heres my prediction.  XBox One and PS4 will release largely the same library, and the games will look and play about the same.  I might be wrong, guess we will see in the coming gen.

TREAL_Since

That's not bad prediction. The differences in a lot of the multiplat games may be negligible, but on account of this fact: MS has a clause that requires devs to scale the visual fidelity of their games, so that they're equal on each console. In the case of this upcoming generation, I'm assuming the PS4 versions will be scaled back.

We'll likely see substantial differences with 1st party games, though.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Could be. I'm interested to see how it all pans out.
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[QUOTE="Sonysexual1"]

[QUOTE="delta3074"]Are you thick? we where talking about how much of it's theoretical power the XB1 could use, not the power difference between the XB1 and Ps4delta3074

133 GB/s out of 218 GB/s. You do the math, little boy.

Thats only the ESRAM , i asked how that factored in to the whole console(ie NOT just the ESRAM), you did not answer my question,and what the hell does that have to do with the fact the other guy got what we where both talking about out of context, you are VERY strange dude.

The eSRAM is an overglorified cache that'll be used for nothing more than a framebuffer. You know how the PS3 suffered due to its split memory bank? Yeah, it's the same concept. 32 mb is still just 32 mb. KZ: SF is using 40 mb for the frame buffer alone. Unified 8 GB GDDR5 allows for more flexibility with the developers.

Next, the fine-grain compute architecture of the PS4's GPU will allow the GPU to queue up compute tasks when the GPU isn't fully utilized. In the real-world, the GPU is never utilizing 100% of its power for graphics rendering. The large amount of ACEs will allow the PS4's GPU to accomplish GPGPU tasks with the cores it isn't using for graphics rendering, meaning its GPU will always utilize 100% of its power. The Xbox ONE, unfortunately, doesn't have this customization. The Xbox ONE's GPU will be used for graphics rendering, but as I have stated before, the GPU never utilizes 100% of its power for graphics rendering. The unused power will be used for GPGPU computing, but with only a paltry 2 ACEs, it's not going to accomplish much.