EGM doesnt give MGS4 a review score (letter) due to Konami?

Just heard about this...How Konami was telling reviewers not to mention the long cutscenes and other aspects of the game that may turn people off

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But Im sure it would have gotten A's all around.

Strange on Konami's part. I didnt think they would pull a Kane and Lynch like move on MGS4, because unlike that POS, MGS4 could stand on its own.

Pathetic, Konami doesn't want reviewers to be honest about the games flaws.Frexie

Long cutscenes is not a flaw. ITs how entertaining they are that matters.

i think the lengthy install before you start the game and the additional installs/ loading times (2 minutes) before each chapter is what they want to keep secret the most.

shame.. just be honest about everything. we will but the game anyway.

Pathetic, Konami doesn't want reviewers to be honest about the games flaws.Frexie

Have you ever played a Metal Gear game? they are widely known for there High quaility cutscenes that are way better than any game :) atleast i think they are.

i think the lengthy install before you start the game and the additional installs/ loading times (2 minutes) before each chapter is what they want to keep secret the most.

shame.. just be honest about everything. we will but the game anyway.

Always-Honest

Why do installs matter?

Ive been waiting 7 years to play this game, how is a 10-15 minute install gonna make the game any worse

who cares? the game is known for having long cutscenes, but at least they are worth watchinggohan2710

Agreed, the cutscenes are what I like the most about the series.

But I think your missing the point. When the publisher tries to dictate how a review should be written or presented, its just not good for the industry. Its dishonest, and it really tests the limits of journalistic integrity.

10 days to go........

Konami should have let such details be mentioned, Fans of the Series wouldnt mind having a 20 minute installation or more.... we waited so many years for a sequel, am sure 20/25 mins more is not the end of the world...

Also long cut-scenes in a story driven game are seen as a plus.... (imo)

WTF??? Long cut scenes are viewed as a flaw? Metal Gear Solid is ALL ABOUT STORY. Cut scenes are a huge tool used to tell that story.Omnisystem

Which makes it odd that Konami feels that needs to be downplayed.

It's a strength of the series to fans, one would imagine they'd highlight it.

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i think the lengthy install before you start the game and the additional installs/ loading times (2 minutes) before each chapter is what they want to keep secret the most.

shame.. just be honest about everything. we will but the game anyway.

therealmcc0y

Why do installs matter?

Ive been waiting 7 years to play this game, how is a 10-15 minute install gonna make the game any worse

i know, i don't mind either.

[QUOTE="Omnisystem"]WTF??? Long cut scenes are viewed as a flaw? Metal Gear Solid is ALL ABOUT STORY. Cut scenes are a huge tool used to tell that story.Danm_999

Which makes it odd that Konami feels that needs to be downplayed.

It's a strength of the series to fans, one would imagine they'd highlight it.

Konami are probably being really cautious, I'm sure Kojima wouldn't have minded it out. Hell, he made the game :D

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[QUOTE="Omnisystem"]WTF??? Long cut scenes are viewed as a flaw? Metal Gear Solid is ALL ABOUT STORY. Cut scenes are a huge tool used to tell that story.thrones

Which makes it odd that Konami feels that needs to be downplayed.

It's a strength of the series to fans, one would imagine they'd highlight it.

Konami are probably being really cautious, I'm sure Kojima wouldn't have minded it out. Hell, he made the game :D

Dont you dare calling again MGSIV a 'game'... its so much more... its a marvelous Experience !!! :)

[QUOTE="Frexie"]Pathetic, Konami doesn't want reviewers to be honest about the games flaws.Cedmln

Long cutscenes is not a flaw. ITs how entertaining they are that matters.

If it was not a flaw they would not have asked reviewers not to mention em. think about it. They know it is a problem for most people.Eltroz

Its a problem for the FPS "blowitallup" market, and the casual "1 hour a month on wii fit" market.

Simple fact is, even if the cutscenes are amazing, people who just cant be bothered will be turned off. Unfortunately, those same people who just cant be bothered with anything without a crosshair all the way through the game make up the majority of the market these days, and konami needs to sell the game.

It being a problem and it being a flaw are two different things in that respect.

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[QUOTE="Frexie"]Pathetic, Konami doesn't want reviewers to be honest about the games flaws.Eltroz

Long cutscenes is not a flaw. ITs how entertaining they are that matters.

Its not a problem for many others though.. (the majority of the MGS series most probably) - so NO long cut-scenes in a story driven game cannot be considered as a flaw...

a cutscene length and install option, has nothing to do with the quality of the actual game, there silly reasons to even consider a flaw or negative.

its something for haterz to brag about.

its the overall gameplay, graphics, online that scores should be based off. geez

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[QUOTE="Frexie"]Pathetic, Konami doesn't want reviewers to be honest about the games flaws.Malta_1980

Long cutscenes is not a flaw. ITs how entertaining they are that matters.

Its not a problem for many others though.. (the majority of the MGS series most probably) - so NO long cut-scenes in a story driven game cannot be considered as a flaw...

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[QUOTE="Frexie"]Pathetic, Konami doesn't want reviewers to be honest about the games flaws.Eltroz

Long cutscenes is not a flaw. ITs how entertaining they are that matters.

Its not a problem for many others though.. (the majority of the MGS series most probably) - so NO long cut-scenes in a story driven game cannot be considered as a flaw...

9 hours of cutscenes AND 20 hours of gameplay. The reviewer stated it was 29 hours in total.

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[QUOTE="Frexie"]Pathetic, Konami doesn't want reviewers to be honest about the games flaws.Eltroz

Long cutscenes is not a flaw. ITs how entertaining they are that matters.

Its not a problem for many others though.. (the majority of the MGS series most probably) - so NO long cut-scenes in a story driven game cannot be considered as a flaw...

For you maybe. This is the exact same ratio as Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty. You know, the best in the series.

That was 10 hours gameplay and 5 hours or so of cutscenes.

Just realised what you said.. it's 9 hours of cutscenes and 20 hours of gameplay.

[QUOTE="Frexie"]Pathetic, Konami doesn't want reviewers to be honest about the games flaws.Cedmln

Long cutscenes is not a flaw. ITs how entertaining they are that matters.

Actually, it is a flaw. It can keep you from playing the actual game, which makes it seem that the developers weren't confident that the gameplay was good. Didn't people complain about the length of cutscenes in Sons of Liberty?

Those reviewers got the game early and with that privlige, they werent allowed to talk about certain aspects of the game.

If the reviewer thought it was bad they could still have given it a low score listing 'reasons they cant talk about'

Once we get closer to the release date im sure people can say what they want about the cutscenes and whatever else with no problems

Looks like Konami care more about what game reviewers say than actual gamers. The cutscenes in their previous games were fine even if they were a little lengthy. I doubt there's anything wrong with them this time around.BigDaddyPOLO

Don't reviewers somewhat influence the general opinion of a game? Look at all the people on this site who love FF12. I'm one of the few who hates it. What if it got a 5.2? There'd be very little love.

[QUOTE="BigDaddyPOLO"]Looks like Konami care more about what game reviewers say than actual gamers. The cutscenes in their previous games were fine even if they were a little lengthy. I doubt there's anything wrong with them this time around.Video_Game_King

Don't reviewers somewhat influence the general opinion of a game? Look at all the people on this site who love FF12. I'm one of the few who hates it. What if it got a 5.2? There'd be very little love.

[QUOTE="BigDaddyPOLO"]Looks like Konami care more about what game reviewers say than actual gamers. The cutscenes in their previous games were fine even if they were a little lengthy. I doubt there's anything wrong with them this time around.Video_Game_King

Don't reviewers somewhat influence the general opinion of a game? Look at all the people on this site who love FF12. I'm one of the few who hates it. What if it got a 5.2? There'd be very little love.

Konami, geesh. WTF are they thinking? Like someone else said, the game would have scored great across the board probably anyway, now it's just going to have this small bit of "funk" around the game.

Suck it up Konami, before you put a wave of controversy around what will be a really great game.

Long cutscenes is not a flaw. ITs how entertaining they are that matters.

Long cutscenes are a flaw and I will tell you why.

The MGS series' biggest problem is the insane amount of cutscenes that prevent it from reaching a wider audience. That's about it. It's a hardcore game only. Fans will find MGS4 amazing while newcomers and casuals will find their head spinning. That's a flaw, and I already know this without playing it, because every other MGS suffered from this and judging from appearances, MGS4 seems to be the most 'hardcore' of the lot so far.

'Skip the cutscenes' someone says. Well that's not exactly going to help when your head is already spinning from the story that goes on in the cutscenes. Is it even possible to enjoy MGS by skipping the cutscenes? After all, the hook of the series is through its characters and plot.

People keep saying mgs is a story driven game...how is that possible when the story in 2 and 3 was bad? sry when i hear story driven game i think of a interactive movie.

Last i checked MGS was an adventure/stealth game...just with no so much per say...stealth.

People keep saying mgs is a story driven game...how is that possible when the story in 2 and 3 was bad? sry when i hear story driven game i think of a interactive movie.

Last i checked MGS was an adventure/stealth game...just with no so much per say...stealth.

WilliamRLBaker

Maybe you're playing it wrong...

Pathetic, Konami doesn't want reviewers to be honest about the games flaws.Frexie

I know it may be a foreign concept to you, but perhaps you shouldn't believe everything you read or believe something just because you're wanting to believe it. If this was true, then why has pretty much everyone who has reviewed the game mentioned the cutscenes, and most reviewers have mentioned the install?

MS FUD is in overdrive these last couple weeks.

People keep saying mgs is a story driven game...how is that possible when the story in 2 and 3 was bad? sry when i hear story driven game i think of a interactive movie.

Last i checked MGS was an adventure/stealth game...just with no so much per say...stealth.

WilliamRLBaker

You have No idea what your talking about, please stop.

[QUOTE="Eltroz"] If it was not a flaw they would not have asked reviewers not to mention em. think about it. They know it is a problem for most people.nicenator

Its a problem for the FPS "blowitallup" market, and the casual "1 hour a month on wii fit" market.

Simple fact is, even if the cutscenes are amazing, people who just cant be bothered will be turned off. Unfortunately, those same people who just cant be bothered with anything without a crosshair all the way through the game make up the majority of the market these days, and konami needs to sell the game.

It being a problem and it being a flaw are two different things in that respect.

but people that are new to MGS need to know that there are such long cutsences or they will just stop playing.

I love cutsences and think they are a big plus (as long as they are good) but i think this is a cheap shot not to let reveiwers bring it up as it will be a big point to a newcomer .

People keep saying mgs is a story driven game...how is that possible when the story in 2 and 3 was bad? sry when i hear story driven game i think of a interactive movie.

Last i checked MGS was an adventure/stealth game...just with no so much per say...stealth.

WilliamRLBaker

It's a Tactical Espionage Action game. What that translates to is choice between stealth action or a mix of both :| Your call on whatever situation.

Old old old old OLD...

This news is quite old..

Bravo EGM.

I'm glad some journalists are retraining their personal integrity and not caving to the will of a publisher's demands by printing a review that doesn't allow them to express how they truly feel about a game. In an industry where opinions are sold to the highest bidder and publishers have far too much control over editorial content, this stands out as one of the few shining lights left.

But perhaps I'm making too much of this. I guess my time in the industry, seeing its seedy underbelly has made me a bit jaded...

They just don't want people to be turned off from the game. I don't know why, because in reality, people don't really care much about cutscenes. It's only on the internet where fanboys and haters go "zomg teh 2 minute cutscene, game teh suxorz, wait its not even a game its a movie!!1!1eleven!!"

[QUOTE="Frexie"]Pathetic, Konami doesn't want reviewers to be honest about the games flaws.Cedmln

Long cutscenes is not a flaw. ITs how entertaining they are that matters.

Have you ever played a Metal Gear game? they are widely known for there High quaility cutscenes that are way better than any game :) atleast i think they are.

hofuldig

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Have you ever played a Metal Gear game? they are widely known for there High quaility cutscenes that are way better than any game :) atleast i think they are.

blue_hazy_basic

..and haters of MGS need to understand that people don't mind watching 15 minutes of cutscenes. The "I want to play games not watch them" is really old, and untrue. I guess when you gotta grasp for straws, you gotta go for anything.

Oh, with that being said, i'm not a MGS fan. I'm just not a fanboy or hater. I respect games for what they are because unlike 99% of the "forum" gamers, I realize people have different taste and not every game is supposed to appeal to me.

Just heard about this...How Konami was telling reviewers not to mention the long cutscenes and other aspects of the game that may turn people off

LINK

But Im sure it would have gotten A's all around.

Strange on Konami's part. I didnt think they would pull a Kane and Lynch like move on MGS4, because unlike that POS, MGS4 could stand on its own.

rappid_rabbit

Well this isn't a Kane and Lynch move at all.........Konami isn't mad about how something was scored or asking for anyone to be fired.

There isn't ANY REASON for these people to not be able to comment on the game. They can go buy a retail copy and play, then write up a review. More than likely what has happened is to get an early copy of the game to review they had to agree not to mention the cutscenes or install length.

So lets not get confused here, they can rate the game any way they like to and say anything they want about the game. If they make deals with Konami, it's on them.

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Have you ever played a Metal Gear game? they are widely known for there High quaility cutscenes that are way better than any game :) atleast i think they are.

PRKiNG45

..and haters of MGS need to understand that people don't mind watching 15 minutes of cutscenes. The "I want to play games not watch them" is really old, and untrue. I guess when you gotta grasp for straws, you gotta go for anything.

Oh, with that being said, i'm not a MGS fan. I'm just not a fanboy or hater. I respect games for what they are because unlike 99% of the "forum" gamers, I realize people have different taste and not every game is supposed to appeal to me.