EGM has the dumbest A.I of them all

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In what looks like the "dumbest" comparison, EGM have decided to side by side compare Halo 3 - due out on release in under 3 weeks, with the alpha build of Sony's KillZone 2 that was previewed at E3. Despite the game being almost a year away from completion, and despite the developers noting that the A.I was not yet complete, the journalists at EGM wanted to include the game in their "Best Of.." section of the magazine and it seemed like the only category best suited for KillZone 2 was the "Dumbest AI".

This is a direct contradiction from the latest hands-on by IGN and Game Informer, whom actually chose to note the positives of the early version of the game in relation to the "aggressively good" intelligence of the game.

comparing a game that comes out in less then 3 weeks to a game in alpha how stupid can you be

its official EGM are microsofts lapdogs

Yes, they are MS lapdogs afer doing huge reports on Ratchet and Clank and other Sony games. Get over yourself.

Yes, I agree its not smart, but people will know its only an alpha, and they can't get their minds around that, then they are the dumb ones.

http://www.n4g.com/ps3/NewsCom-65159.aspx#Comments

In what looks like the "dumbest" comparison, EGM have decided to side by side compare Halo 3 - due out on release in under 3 weeks, with the alpha build of Sony's KillZone 2 that was previewed at E3. Despite the game being almost a year away from completion, and despite the developers noting that the A.I was not yet complete, the journalists at EGM wanted to include the game in their "Best Of.." section of the magazine and it seemed like the only category best suited for KillZone 2 was the "Dumbest AI".

This is a direct contradiction from the latest hands-on by IGN and Game Informer, whom actually chose to note the positives of the early version of the game in relation to the "aggressively good" intelligence of the game.

comparing a game that comes out in less then 3 weeks to a game in alpha how stupid can you be

its official EGM are microsofts lapdogs

legalize3

oh noes a unfair compairson! Just like all the flak Halo 3 got when it was in the beta! Who could of guessed that Killzone 2, a game just as hyped as Halo 3 would get the same treatment.

Nah - SW takes the prize on that !

I mean just look at all the threads created ( some mayby made by you - I dunno lol ) stating how KZ2 is the best game ever and will compete with Crysis and Gears - yet it was only briefly shown as a work in progress.

Just too too funny :)

http://www.n4g.com/ps3/NewsCom-65159.aspx#Comments

In what looks like the "dumbest" comparison, EGM have decided to side by side compare Halo 3 - due out on release in under 3 weeks, with the alpha build of Sony's KillZone 2 that was previewed at E3. Despite the game being almost a year away from completion, and despite the developers noting that the A.I was not yet complete, the journalists at EGM wanted to include the game in their "Best Of.." section of the magazine and it seemed like the only category best suited for KillZone 2 was the "Dumbest AI".

This is a direct contradiction from the latest hands-on by IGN and Game Informer, whom actually chose to note the positives of the early version of the game in relation to the "aggressively good" intelligence of the game.

comparing a game that comes out in less then 3 weeks to a game in alpha how stupid can you be

its official EGM are microsofts lapdogs

legalize3

EGM>all this other crap people read these days.

EGM are constantly being called biased towards every and all sides. Get over it. They aren't boased, you are.

EGM = Sony haters. They've given EVERY SINGLE PS3 exclusive a lower score than the average media score for that game, and they overrate a load of 360 games too, they are very biased.ShmenonPie

You mean like Lair & Heavenly Sword? Oh wait, their scores were higher than those given by GS and IGN (well, at least for Lair , as GS hasn't reviewed Heavenly Sword yet)

http://www.n4g.com/ps3/NewsCom-65159.aspx#Comments

In what looks like the "dumbest" comparison, EGM have decided to side by side compare Halo 3 - due out on release in under 3 weeks, with the alpha build of Sony's KillZone 2 that was previewed at E3. Despite the game being almost a year away from completion, and despite the developers noting that the A.I was not yet complete, the journalists at EGM wanted to include the game in their "Best Of.." section of the magazine and it seemed like the only category best suited for KillZone 2 was the "Dumbest AI".

This is a direct contradiction from the latest hands-on by IGN and Game Informer, whom actually chose to note the positives of the early version of the game in relation to the "aggressively good" intelligence of the game.

comparing a game that comes out in less then 3 weeks to a game in alpha how stupid can you be

its official EGM are microsofts lapdogs

legalize3

what are you talking about, if the developers had the confidence in showing the game, then everyone should have the right to preview it, is it fair no, but if you are gonna show the game off, be prepared to get it up the booty, just like the developers of Too Human, obviously it was still early, but it didn't stop anyone from blasting the game. either way, what do you want, this game is supposed to be the Halo killer is it not? imagine if it was reversed, Killzone out in 3 weeks and Halo out in a year, if the same comparison was made, Sony fans would be ripping 360 fans a new one,

get over it!

just calm down and stop taking things so serious man, its just video games! not life or death!

EGM = Sony haters. They've given EVERY SINGLE PS3 exclusive a lower score than the average media score for that game, and they overrate a load of 360 games too, they are very biased.ShmenonPie

EGM = Sony haters. They've given EVERY SINGLE PS3 exclusive a lower score than the average media score for that game, and they overrate a load of 360 games too, they are very biased.ShmenonPie

Shane from EGM is one of the must well known Sony lovers in the magazine buisness.

Halo always had amazing AI, even the first one has better AI then some games nowadays.hummer700

I actually have to agree with that, I went back and played Halo 1 again a few weeks ago since I wanted to refresh my mind for Halo 3 and I really took notice to how amazing the AI was. The Elites would run and take cover if their shields were down, and if you got in their face they would beat you down.

Kilzone 2 is Beta, not Alpha....

Kilzone 2 is Beta, not Alpha....

htekemerald

Got proof?

[QUOTE="htekemerald"]

Kilzone 2 is Beta, not Alpha....

Cedmln

Got proof?

Kilzone 2 is Beta, not Alpha....

htekemerald

Well the developers said it was pre-pre-alpha if I remember correctly, but of course there is no such standard with pre-pre-alpha so Im assuming they are going on their own schedule rather than the industries generic one. So even if they say its pre-pre-alpha that doesn't mean its not already in the Alpha or Beta stage that Halo 3 was in.

Its really hard to tell since each developer likes to go by a different standard, and comparing 1 beta to another beta isnt exactly a fair comparison since you dont know what the developers have their priorities on.

[QUOTE="Cedmln"][QUOTE="htekemerald"]

htekemerald

Got proof?

So then its just your oppinion. Ok.

[QUOTE="htekemerald"]

Kilzone 2 is Beta, not Alpha....

justforlotr2004

Well the developers said it was pre-pre-alpha if I remember correctly, but of course there is no such standard with pre-pre-alpha so Im assuming they are going on their own schedule rather than the industries generic one. So even if they say its pre-pre-alpha that doesn't mean its not already in the Alpha or Beta stage that Halo 3 was in.

Its really hard to tell since each developer likes to go by a different standard, and comparing 1 beta to another beta isnt exactly a fair comparison since you dont know what the developers have their priorities on.

Beta = the first version of a game with most if not all things that are planned in the final game

[QUOTE="htekemerald"][QUOTE="Cedmln"][QUOTE="htekemerald"]

Cedmln

Got proof?

So then its just your oppinion. Ok.

[QUOTE="htekemerald"]

Kilzone 2 is Beta, not Alpha....

Cedmln

Got proof?

Well by general standards the game wouldnt even have a visual aid if it was in pre-pre-alpha like Ive heard some people say it was.

Pre-Alpha - Get the idea down on paper and plan how its going to work out.

Alpha- Get the concepts into a rough formation with a lot of place holder textures and objects.

Beta- Testing the near final build of the game to fix any major problems and to fine tune the rest.

Gold - The game is ready for manufacturing.

Thats the basics of the general stages of development. Now like I said above each developer has their own stages for their game, so even if Killzone 2 is in Pre-pre-alpha they could actually already be in Beta by industry standards for all we know. So its pretty debatable what stage they are in, but just naming off stages doesnt really give you a great deal of knowledge of where they are at in production.

[QUOTE="hummer700"]Halo always had amazing AI, even the first one has better AI then some games nowadays.justforlotr2004

I actually have to agree with that, I went back and played Halo 1 again a few weeks ago since I wanted to refresh my mind for Halo 3 and I really took notice to how amazing the AI was. The Elites would run and take cover if their shields were down, and if you got in their face they would beat you down.

Halo 1 still provides a nice challenge on Legendary... though for me, Legendary is my default difficulty. I've played every map in that game so many times I barely ever die on Legendary.

[QUOTE="Cedmln"][QUOTE="htekemerald"]

justforlotr2004

Well by general standards the game wouldnt even have a visual aid if it was in pre-pre-alpha like Ive heard some people say it was.

Pre-Alpha - Get the idea down on paper and plan how its going to work out.

Alpha- Get the concepts into a rough formation with a lot of place holder textures and objects.

Beta- Testing the near final build of the game to fix any major problems and to fine tune the rest.

Gold - The game is ready for manufacturing.

Thats the basics of the general stages of development. Now like I said above each developer has their own stages for their game, so even if Killzone 2 is in Pre-pre-alpha they could actually already be in Beta by industry standards for all we know. So its pretty debatable what stage they are in, but just naming off stages doesnt really give you a great deal of knowledge of where they are at in production.

So basically, none of us know for sure.

So basically, none of us know for sure.

Cedmln

Yeah pretty much. So you really cant throw out the stage names for Killzone 2 since they dont go by the regular standards. Though I dont agree with the guy above stating he knows its beta for a fact since its impossible to tell that just by a few showings.

Now some may say that they did it for Halo 3 but for the most part Halo 3 followed the general stages from pre-alpha to alpha to beta. Though they did add in Delta (think it was delta) and Epsilon which is the 4th and 5th number in Greek, but those were internal testings though it shows you that nearly every dev goes by their own schedule and not a set one.

Killzone A.I. did look terrible.OGTiago

its called demo, its called their still building the game. lol.

[QUOTE="OGTiago"]Killzone A.I. did look terrible.ff7isnumbaone

its called demo, its called their still building the game. lol.

So EGM should stick to praising games based on their potential rather than commenting on things the game needs work on? I'm sick of the glowing previews of games like Lair and Blue Dragon that end up getting poor reviews out of nowhere. If EGM can't bash a game in development just because its not done then what should they write about? What are you reading the magazine for if you don't want to hear the truth about these games.

Good job EGM maybe if the media stops fellating evey game in development then people won't get so hyped up on games that end up being bad, or mayybe people won't bash your reviews when you score the game low eventually.

[QUOTE="legalize3"]

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In what looks like the "dumbest" comparison, EGM have decided to side by side compare Halo 3 - due out on release in under 3 weeks, with the alpha build of Sony's KillZone 2 that was previewed at E3. Despite the game being almost a year away from completion, and despite the developers noting that the A.I was not yet complete, the journalists at EGM wanted to include the game in their "Best Of.." section of the magazine and it seemed like the only category best suited for KillZone 2 was the "Dumbest AI".

This is a direct contradiction from the latest hands-on by IGN and Game Informer, whom actually chose to note the positives of the early version of the game in relation to the "aggressively good" intelligence of the game.

comparing a game that comes out in less then 3 weeks to a game in alpha how stupid can you be

its official EGM are microsofts lapdogs

justforlotr2004

oh noes a unfair compairson! Just like all the flak Halo 3 got when it was in the beta! Who could of guessed that Killzone 2, a game just as hyped as Halo 3 would get the same treatment.

My thoughts exactly. After all the hate the halo 3 beta recieved for its graphics I don't really see anything wrong in this.

[QUOTE="OGTiago"]Killzone A.I. did look terrible.ff7isnumbaone

its called demo, its called their still building the game. lol.

idk if I should help the cows against the lemmings in this or not. The cows were constantly bashing Halo 3 while it was still in development, and sites compared it to Gears of war all the time and were saying it was nothing but Halo 2 in HD. Now the tables are turned and its Killzone that will begin to receive that treatment as it starts to come into the spotlight.

Killzone A.I. did look terrible.OGTiago

and I'm sure Halo 3's brutes and gruntswere tactical geniuses six months ago.

[QUOTE="ff7isnumbaone"]

[QUOTE="OGTiago"]Killzone A.I. did look terrible.justforlotr2004

its called demo, its called their still building the game. lol.

idk if I should help the cows against the lemmings in this or not. The cows were constantly bashing Halo 3 while it was still in development, and sites compared it to Gears of war all the time and were saying it was nothing but Halo 2 in HD. Now the tables are turned and its Killzone that will begin to receive that treatment as it starts to come into the spotlight.

the tables are not turned as you say. people bashed the beta for its graphics. this is about AI and devlopment time now.

[QUOTE="justforlotr2004"][QUOTE="ff7isnumbaone"]

[QUOTE="OGTiago"]Killzone A.I. did look terrible.Mordred19

its called demo, its called their still building the game. lol.

idk if I should help the cows against the lemmings in this or not. The cows were constantly bashing Halo 3 while it was still in development, and sites compared it to Gears of war all the time and were saying it was nothing but Halo 2 in HD. Now the tables are turned and its Killzone that will begin to receive that treatment as it starts to come into the spotlight.

the tables are not turned as you say. people bashed the beta for its graphics. this is about AI and devlopment time now.

Thats the EXACT same thing, the alpha/beta graphics were not complete just as the AI in Killzone 2 is not complete.

[QUOTE="justforlotr2004"][QUOTE="ff7isnumbaone"]

[QUOTE="OGTiago"]Killzone A.I. did look terrible.Mordred19

its called demo, its called their still building the game. lol.

idk if I should help the cows against the lemmings in this or not. The cows were constantly bashing Halo 3 while it was still in development, and sites compared it to Gears of war all the time and were saying it was nothing but Halo 2 in HD. Now the tables are turned and its Killzone that will begin to receive that treatment as it starts to come into the spotlight.

the tables are not turned as you say. people bashed the beta for its graphics. this is about AI and devlopment time now.

[QUOTE="OGTiago"]Killzone A.I. did look terrible.Mordred19

and I'm sure Halo 3's brutes and gruntswere tactical geniuses six months ago.

Actually if you watch the Brute documentary released last year showed how the Brutes worked together with the rest of the covenant and how they gave orders to the lower classed soldiers.

Anyway games cant be compared like that, AI may be the first thing Bungie did and it may be the last thing Guerrilla does for Killzone, who knows.

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In what looks like the "dumbest" comparison, EGM have decided to side by side compare Halo 3 - due out on release in under 3 weeks, with the alpha build of Sony's KillZone 2 that was previewed at E3. Despite the game being almost a year away from completion, and despite the developers noting that the A.I was not yet complete, the journalists at EGM wanted to include the game in their "Best Of.." section of the magazine and it seemed like the only category best suited for KillZone 2 was the "Dumbest AI".

This is a direct contradiction from the latest hands-on by IGN and Game Informer, whom actually chose to note the positives of the early version of the game in relation to the "aggressively good" intelligence of the game.

comparing a game that comes out in less then 3 weeks to a game in alpha how stupid can you be

its official EGM are microsofts lapdogs

legalize3

Once again fanboys prove to not check their information. I will use big text so it's easier for you to understand.

THIS ARTICLE WAS TITLED

'BEST (AND WORST) IN SHOW.'

What does that mean? Well, it was a comparison based on what they saw at E3 '07, NOT final products, but a comparison based on the 2 games' respective quality at the time. If you bring an incomplete product to a trade show, expect to get a lot of flak from the media if it is poor quality. They will compare it to other, more complete products. Car magazines compare the design of prototypes to other production models, for example.

EGM is NOT a MS fanboy mag. They have tried to get Reggie to do one of their "tough love" interviews, but Nintendo refuses to do the interview. I guess if you don't get asked the questions, you don't have to give any answers... Shane is the biggest Sony fanboy on the planet. They have done huge previews of R&C, HS, and others.

All I can say is that at least EGM is willing to openly criticize games. Most other mags and websites (GS included) make every game out to be AAA in their previews. It gets old when EVERY game is made out to be like this. EGM is typically critical when it warrants it.

So, Cows, can you tell me exactly WHEN we are allowed to be critical of Killzone 2? Thanks.

They are saying the true, don't like don't read the magazine.-wii60-

What are they saying?

[QUOTE="Mordred19"][QUOTE="justforlotr2004"][QUOTE="ff7isnumbaone"]

[QUOTE="OGTiago"]Killzone A.I. did look terrible.-wii60-

its called demo, its called their still building the game. lol.

idk if I should help the cows against the lemmings in this or not. The cows were constantly bashing Halo 3 while it was still in development, and sites compared it to Gears of war all the time and were saying it was nothing but Halo 2 in HD. Now the tables are turned and its Killzone that will begin to receive that treatment as it starts to come into the spotlight.

the tables are not turned as you say. people bashed the beta for its graphics. this is about AI and devlopment time now.

maybe you should talk to the cows about that. but I didn't bash the beta. I'm a moderate. don't go calling people you don't know cows just because they talk in general terms.

EGM = Sony haters. They've given EVERY SINGLE PS3 exclusive a lower score than the average media score for that game, and they overrate a load of 360 games too, they are very biased.ShmenonPie

:cry: Cry more cow