Elder Scrolls vs Dark Soul games

I didn't use Mortal Kombat as an example because I'm fairly certain that there are fewer serious MK players than there are serious Tekken players. So it's difficult to say that MK is more popular when clearly, it has more of a cult following. The MK player base has always been a cult following. MK9 in 2011 increased the mainstream exposure to it, but I don't count the average console player who bought the game, raved about it on the internet, but stopped playing after that. I prefer defining the player base size of a fighting game based on 'active' players, not the number of people who bought the game

The Elder Scrolls

I prefer The Elder Scrolls. I like games with deep lore, where you read about something in a book and then go out to find that place/item/NPC etc and face something mysterious when you get there or along the way. I feel like I am part of that world and on an epic adventure. Other open world games like GTA fail to do so. May be because it is set in present time, so it fails to grab me like other games like Deus Ex, The Elder Scrolls, Divinity, Black Flag (not RPG of course, just used as example), Witcher etc.

I went back to Oblivion few days ago and couldn't get into it. The main element of The Elder Scrolls games is Exploration. For that to be fun, it is important to have better looking visuals and more alive environments to grab you and make you want to explore more. While map of Oblivion is bigger than Skyrim, the quality itself is better in Skyrim. Graphics are better, production values are higher, music is better, towns and villages feel more alive and so on. But drawbacks are there too; UI is worse, RPG elements are dumbed down etc. But overall it is better game IMO.

@_Matt_: in what ways could you tackle a fight? Because from what I remember of dark souls, I pretty much did the same thing with every enemy. Swing, run in circles and avoid their attacks and repeat while occasionally blocking.

In skyrim you could use magic, stealth, bows, melee, shouts or any combination of those abilities.

ES should be compared to facebook games, not real rpgs like the Souls series. Morrowind was the last ES that was considered as a "real rpg". Since Skyrim sold as much as it did, i don't think Bethesda will ever release anything close to Morrowind.

Also.

The elder scrolls requires modding to be good. Darksouls isn't just good: it's great.

I'd much rather play The Elder Scrolls (sans Oblivion) on the basis that I don't enjoy the gameplay offered by the Souls games. I can see the appeal, but they're not my cup of tea.

They are different games in my opinion, why even compare them? Skyrim has a much more immersive and detailed world. DS has a much more fun and engaging combat system. DS is a frustrating trial and error game, that becomes very satisfying once you beat that level/boss. TES games dont have that.

In my opinion nothing triumphs modded Morrowind. You can get it to look better than Oblivion with the right texture packs, removal of the fog and such. Vvardenfell is a very beautiful place once you remove the fog and you have huge draw distances. Kind of looks a little like Blades Edge mountains from WoW. Theres also a whole lot more content than other RES games, once you add the expansions. The combat in Morrowind is a little poor tho.

Because you don't replay the same fights or sections over an over again in souls games right?

if you called Skyrim an action adventure game then i can go with that Begrudgingly but Morrowind and Oblivion? no Fucking way are they action adventure games, Oblivion and Morrowind have more Stat, Character development features than Most RPG's on the Market.

Personally i would go with the Elder scrolls over Souls games all day long, Bigger scale, more NPC interaction, More options for character development, More Races, More classes, more locations to explore, more Enemy types and a huge seamless world within which you can interact with Virtually every object you come across.

And i don't have to rinse and repeat EXACTLY the same levels with EXACTLY the same enemy over and over Again.

The only thing Souls beats Elder scrolls in my opinion is the Combat is better on souls, Apart from that Elder scrolls wins in every other category.

Souls is more of an Action adventure game than Elder scrolls will ever be, even Skyrim has more Character development options than souls games, which is what role playing games are all about.

How many different characters can you be in Dark souls? can you be a Merchant for example?

There are nowhere near as many options for character development in souls games, end of.

As someone already said anyway,Souls games are more Dungeon Crawlers than RPG's.

How the Hell are souls games more of an RPG than Elder scrolls? Even Skyrim has Way more character development options than souls for starters.

Can you get married in souls games? own property? Interact with NPC's the same way you do in Skyrim? is there a Crime and punishment system in souls?

I can understand people saying they prefer the combat in souls and souls games in general but to say that Skyrim is less of an RPG (ROLE PLAYING GAME) than Souls is juts plain BS

Larger world, Way bigger scale, More NPC's, more locations, more quests, more Races, more variety in enemys, richer more realistic world and More character development options.

It beggars belief that people would call what is essentially a dungeon Crawler with Minimal character development options more of an RPG than elder scrolls games.

i swear people around here have no clue what an RPG actually is,lol

Souls games.

At launch ES (the last two excluding the mmo one) is a casual adventure game aka Dora The Explorer simulator. One month after release it becomes a porn game. Year(s) later its a porn simulator. That's all you need to know about ES.

Please explain how that would make Elder scrolls Less of an RPG than souls games? even if it was a Porn simulator it still has more RPG elements and character customization/Management than the souls games and as far as i was aware RPG's are defined by Character management and developement and interaction with the gameworld, NPC's, enemys, Etc

Nothing you have said even remotely debunks anything i have said, good job.

Hands down Elder scrolls has more RPG elements and features than souls games

Skyrim's lore is not deep. Not in the slightest. Skyrim manages to beat Dark Souls in narration, but not depth of lore. Both games chose different approaches to their methodology of exposition. Skyrim chose narration as their medium of exposition, whereas Dark Souls chose visual display and discovery. So if you walk around the world of Dark Souls without observing stuff, you'll totally miss out their lore - and perceived it as being non-existent.

I would say that you're the kind of gamer who wants to be told, not shown things.

Anyone who's sane would pick the Souls series since Bethesda games are trash.

i don't need to explain anything, this conversation is so 2012. ES is a casual adventure game that has only one thing going for it, mod community. Its like comparing Street Fighter to the last DOA and pretend its a better/more of a fighter than SF.

Nope. When I play the game I explore every nook and cranny in the game. Skyrim's story isn't anything special either. What I meant was, there is a lot to do TES games and everything has a background story. Dark Souls is combat heavy game. I like story of Amnesia as well, where you learn the story by finding pages and reading them. Different games unfold their story and world differently but it is not hard to see that TES games offer more than just combat. You play Dark Souls, but you live in TES.

I'll never understand the love for ES games. I've tried, but they are so boring, souless, and actually terrible to play that I could never enjoy one.

Souls all the way

lol dark souls has no story or lore and if it does it sure as hell wasn't interesting enough to pay any attention to

god damn you're clueless especially when talking about the original Dark Souls...

Nice cop out but if the Elder scrolls are casual adventure games what does that make soul? Especially considering Elder scrolls Dwarfs Souls games when it comes to RPG elements and features, even Skyrim has more RPG elements and features despite being heavily stripped down RPG elements and character customisation.

Quite frankly only a very silly person would claim that souls games are RPG's and Elder scrolls games are not, especially when souls games are more like a dungeon crawler than an open world RPG

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Elder scrolls has more Character customisation options than souls

Elder scrolls has more choices as to what you character can be or do.

Elder scrolls has more Felxibility when it comes to Approaching or completing quests and exploration.

Elder scrolls has more Quests, More NPC's, more locations to explore, more variety in enemys/races and a more realistic/interactive world

Souls has better combat.

But thats fine, it's clear that you have no intention oi even debating the points i put forward so feel free and carry on Copping out with Lame statements that are purely based on personal preference, which i respect, and nothing else.

And in my opinion DOA IS a better fighting game than Streetfighter, not 'more of a fighter' but generally better.

lol thats kind of how i feel about the souls games tbh

sounds like a struck a nerve. truth hurts i guess.

Have you read all the books in Skyrim? there plenty of lore if you actually look around and read the books and there is plenty of visual lore as weel if you look hard enough.

Saying that i have clocked more than 300 hours on Skyrim and explored virtually every location of which there are more than 400, there s Ton mre to see in Elder scrolls games than souls games.

Neither. Fallout New Vegas is superior to both.

@delta3074:

TES games haven't got more character customization than Souls games, what are you on about? If you mean appearance wise? Sure. If you mean gameplay wise, it's not even close.

In TES games all melee weapons feel the same in the end. Swords, axes and hammers only have different swing speeds, same goes for their larger variants. It doesn't matter if you wield blunt or bladed weapons, they all feel and play the same. Souls games have an astounding variety of weapons that control completely differently from one another. You got different move sets for each of them, different upgrade paths, skills scaling and a shitload of other things. Same goes for armor and their weight, their defense against fire, magic or lightning, the overall poise(the amount of hits you can take before getting staggered) they give you. We can then talk about the endless list of spells and how miracles and pyromancies work. Overall there is so much variety you have entire sections of wikis dedicated to different builds for different situations. The same cannot be said for Skyrim.

Skyrim has basically a hierarchy of weapons and you simply ditch the current one for the next tier once you're done. For example, Ebony is better than Orcish which is better than Dwarven which is better than Steel. There's no point in keeping Dwarven over Ebony when the latter beats it in every single imaginable category by a wide margin(except weight). In Dark Souls you have many different things to consider. The length of the weapon, its weight, how it controls(do you swing in wide arcs or simply poke?), the parrying window it gives and many many other things. Same goes for armor, at different equipment loads your character moves differently. Armors also have variying levels of defence against different elements(physical, magic, fire and lightning and darkness). Skyrim's armors have an armor rating against everything and you simply pick the one with the higher armor rating making others below it obsolete.

I played Souls games and Skyrim extensively and you're out to lunch if you think TES games have more character customization(aside from looks). They are worlds apart. It's actually not even close how much more in-depth character building there is in Souls games.

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@Juub1990: lol i win. when you cant even defend your opinion and have to resort to trying to change the subject you lose. take that L bruh. better luck next time.

souls games have no story confirmed.

I actually didn't bother to respond to your post full of ignorance. Enjoy that 2nd round exit.

@princeofshapeir: Every ounce of enjoyment I managed to squeeze out of Dark Souls was purely because I avoided all guides. But it didn't take long to figure the game out.

It feels like a game from another age, when games were less forgiving and more repetitious.

Edit: And much more simple.

Souls any day, I love the Elder Scrolls games too but I like Souls better.

the truth is that you play your rpg's like a linear fps, skipping everything and not paying attention to the items and environment you're in. DkS1 has f*ckton of lore, wake up

Souls is the better series. But they both play very differently and have their own strengths.

Dark Souls is a pure Hack and Slash RPG, almost 100% combat, almost non existent story, character interactions/advancement. Elder Scrolls is more of a traditional RPG even when it's elements are a little on the low quality side, and many people call it an action adventure.

@silversix_: Lol wut? If anything, dark souls is way more linear than skyrim. Please explain the story in dark souls then. Cause from what I remember it's just dumb bullshit

thanks for telling us what we all know. i win. here homie, hold this L.

when you're ready to explain how good the lore is in the empty, souless and boring world of dark souls you can let it go.

Well I despise Bethesda games so the Souls series wins by default.

Also were is Lulu_Lulu?

saying that the original Dark Souls had no story is as ignorant as it gets lol almost every item you pickup in that game had a back story/lore to it. Now this isn't present in DkS2 but its still way deeper than Skyrim with its 'kill 10 rats and come back for reward' fetch quests.

@silversix_: 2 minutes in and im already fucking bored. this is fucking stupid. saying dark souls has a deep and interesting lore is like saying mario has a deep and interesting lore except mario games are actually fun to play.

you're mems_ of course you're bored. here's a CoD montage for you, enjoy.

meh, not a fan of sniping in multiplayer games. that video has a way more interesting story than the fucking awful dark souls video you just posted.

glad you enjoyed.

didn't, only watched like 15 seconds of that cod video. i just said it was better than the dark souls video.

liar. you watched the whole thing and put it in your fav folder. I know you're into dat dudebro stuff.

Probably has PSTV streaming service.

So much Skyrim haters here. IMO Skyrim > Dark Souls.

nah

yeah except for the part that this a dumb analogy and your post is full of bs. If your brain can't handle the scattered lore there are some great videos on the internet that explain it and why.