Ending the KB+mouse vs controller for FPS debate here and now.

A little auto-aim goes a long way.

AdjacentLives

Get in line buddy, Every day i see the following topics: KB/m vs Controller FINAL DEBATE MS VS SONY FINAL DEBATE graphics vs Gameplay FINAL DEBATE you're not the first nor the last, it was proven kb/m is better than controller decades ago.KukicAdo

I think that if m/k were better I would want to game on my pc? I have been the best on pc so I know what im talking about. Mouse is good..Keyboard is not. BUT gamepad betters all as far as ease of use, comfort. I know this too as I have carpal tunel from too much m/k.

There is no debate, only fanboys who refuse to recognise the right tool for the job because they have no choice in the matter.

When I play a shooter I use a mouse and keyboard, when I play a game like Devil May Cry I use a game pad. I have a choice so I don't dispute what's good for what, console gamers are stuck with just a game pad most of the time; so some of them rationalize it is good for everything.

AnnoyedDragon

But it is though, except for games like Command and Conquer as such.
For you PC gamers, it's all about "I want to turn around fast, I want faster aiming", are you seriously that bothered?

I think that Keyboard and Mouse is a lot better than a controller. But you just have to fiddle around withn the keys and try different layouts and once your use to it its smooth sailing.

I don't think it's about which one works more precise or is faster. But which one is nicer to play with.
A lot of that has to do with what You are used to.

1 wiimote
2 kb mouse
3 dual analogue

That is how i would put it.
I hate dual analogue, You move like a freaking droid. And the aiming ist just meh while moving. It's hard to adjust compared to mouse and wiimote so You get auto aim and stuff that takes away from the feel of me actually shooting someone down. (I played mp3 without lock on.)
Kb mouse is awesome but i think the wiimote really has it beat. Because You have analogue movement and mouselike control over where You shoot. And i reallllly like how You don't always shoot at the middle of the screen, but You can look in a direction and shoot around the screen.

That is quite personal preference though.
Too bad there are so few decent FPS on the wii. The game developers of this gen really suck.

But it is though, except for games like Command and Conquer as such.
For you PC gamers, it's all about "I want to turn around fast, I want faster aiming", are you seriously that bothered?

CBR600-RR

A controller needs to be made to work with shooters, where as kb/m just works. I think that is the point AnnoyedDragon is trying to make.

(I mean would a controller really need unresponsive enemies, large bullet radius's and aim assist if it was really the best tool)

I'm not sure there is an actual debate concerning accuracy.

A lot of people, myself included, prefer a controller to kb/m because it's more comfortable, has rumble, and the triggers feel more natural for virtual shooting than clicking a mouse.

It's really irrelevant how accurate they are in comparison since everybody uses the same control mechanism for each respective platform.

But it is though, except for games like Command and Conquer as such.
For you PC gamers, it's all about "I want to turn around fast, I want faster aiming", are you seriously that bothered?

CBR600-RR

No it is not good for everything, the fact that so many of your shooters have to compensate for the game pad with some sort of assistance is evidence enough. You are actually criticising something that is faster and more accurate than a game pad in every way in FPS and asking is it a big deal? Why wouldn't you use the most effective control method for each genre?

Use the right tool for the job, that only gets argued against because you are stuck with one tool.

Gotta love all these " i still prefer gaming on my couch" replies. Not all pc gamer sit at a desk you know. Just this morning i was laying down having a 2 player game (with 2 pads) of SF4 on my pc in my living room, whilst on my couch on my 40" HDTV. I play Batman AA this way and many others. I play all games like this infact, wireless m+KB go along way you know lol.

you can switch dirctly from keyboard n mouse to controller playing crysis at anytime in the game, it's the same.

playharderfool

Try playing with the pad in the multiplayer.

No one is crazy enough to deny that K&M is the best for PFS games. However it doesn't mean that it makes the games more fun. xsubtownerx

[QUOTE="CBR600-RR"]

But it is though, except for games like Command and Conquer as such.
For you PC gamers, it's all about "I want to turn around fast, I want faster aiming", are you seriously that bothered?

AnnoyedDragon

No it is not good for everything, the fact that so many of your shooters have to compensate for the game pad with some sort of assistance is evidence enough. You are actually criticising something that is faster and more accurate than a game pad in every way in FPS and asking is it a big deal? Why wouldn't you use the most effective control method for each genre?

Use the right tool for the job, that only gets argued against because you are stuck with one tool.

That is entirely, 100% untrue.

I have a gaming PC, a PS3, and a Wii. I've played nearly all the big-name FPS titles across the three platforms and I've come to the conclusion that it goes down like this:

For comfort, the gamepad wins. For precision, KB/M. For fun? Well, I'd pick the Wiimote. It just feels more engaging, even if it is the most difficult to adjust to.

So really what I'm trying to say is it comes down to preference. My preference, more often than not, is a gamepad, because that's what's most comfortable in my hands.

That is entirely, 100% untrue.

I have a gaming PC, a PS3, and a Wii. I've played nearly all the big-name FPS titles across the three platforms and I've come to the conclusion that it goes down like this:

For comfort, the gamepad wins. For precision, KB/M. For fun? Well, I'd pick the Wiimote. It just feels more engaging, even if it is the most difficult to adjust to.

So really what I'm trying to say is it comes down to preference. My preference, more often than not, is a gamepad, because that's what's most comfortable in my hands.

Assassin_87

That is entirely, 100% untrue.

I have a gaming PC, a PS3, and a Wii. I've played nearly all the big-name FPS titles across the three platforms and I've come to the conclusion that it goes down like this:

For comfort, the gamepad wins. For precision, KB/M. For fun? Well, I'd pick the Wiimote. It just feels more engaging, even if it is the most difficult to adjust to.

So really what I'm trying to say is it comes down to preference. My preference, more often than not, is a gamepad, because that's what's most comfortable in my hands.

Assassin_87

What exactly are you responding to? You say my post is 100% untrue then go on to give your unrelated 'opinion' that has nothing to do with what I said.

[QUOTE="Assassin_87"]

That is entirely, 100% untrue.

I have a gaming PC, a PS3, and a Wii. I've played nearly all the big-name FPS titles across the three platforms and I've come to the conclusion that it goes down like this:

For comfort, the gamepad wins. For precision, KB/M. For fun? Well, I'd pick the Wiimote. It just feels more engaging, even if it is the most difficult to adjust to.

So really what I'm trying to say is it comes down to preference. My preference, more often than not, is a gamepad, because that's what's most comfortable in my hands.

AnnoyedDragon

What exactly are you responding to? You say my post is 100% untrue then go on to give your unrelated 'opinion' that has nothing to do with what I said.

I'm not responding specifically to what was said. Rather, how it was said and what is seemingly implied.

You're parading around the idea that EVERYONE would ALWAYS use KB/M if they weren't "forced" to use controllers by their obviously inferior choice of gaming platform. (lol)

I mean, if I've got you all wrong then let me know. But that seems to be the case. There's an air of elitism coming from your posts that doesn't go down smooth. No one cares that you think KB/M demolishes everything else. I enjoy PC gaming too, but I'd never say that people are forced to use gamepads and that they aren't the "right tool for the job". :?

[QUOTE="rzepak"]

[QUOTE="xYamatox"]

Everyone has their opinions about KB&M or Controllers. I personally feel KB&M is way too easy, since you get laser targeting (an please don't even say KB&M is harder to do. ANYONE can get good at it in a weeks time). While with a controller, you have to actually time your shot (you know, like you would a REAL gun). Course, the only thing that drives me crazy about console FPS is that most of them have auto-aim. Thankfully, my favorite online shooter on a console doesn't have enough to notice it.

Can't wait to get flammed by PC "vets"...

_Pedro_

This is hilarious. I take it you have NEVER played any online shooter with kb/m. Comparing pad controls to shooting a real gun...think ill make that my sig.

KB+M is akin to pointing at your enemies and firing. Zero actual skill. It's almost cheating. No actual aiming required. Bread_or_Decide

KB+M is akin to pointing at your enemies and firing. Zero actual skill. It's almost cheating. No actual aiming required. Bread_or_Decide

[QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"]KB+M is akin to pointing at your enemies and firing. Zero actual skill. It's almost cheating. No actual aiming required. Brownesque

[QUOTE="CBR600-RR"]

But it is though, except for games like Command and Conquer as such.
For you PC gamers, it's all about "I want to turn around fast, I want faster aiming", are you seriously that bothered?

AnnoyedDragon

No it is not good for everything, the fact that so many of your shooters have to compensate for the game pad with some sort of assistance is evidence enough. You are actually criticising something that is faster and more accurate than a game pad in every way in FPS and asking is it a big deal? Why wouldn't you use the most effective control method for each genre?

Use the right tool for the job, that only gets argued against because you are stuck with one tool.

It's more fun and comfortable using a gamepad, it still does the job. ;)

I'm not responding specifically to what was said. Rather, how it was said and what is seemingly implied.

You're parading around the idea that EVERYONE would ALWAYS use KB/M if they weren't "forced" to use controllers by their obviously inferior choice of gaming platform. (lol)

I mean, if I've got you all wrong then let me know. But that seems to be the case. There's an air of elitism coming from your posts that doesn't go down smooth. No one cares that you think KB/M demolishes everything else. I enjoy PC gaming too, but I'd never say that people are forced to use gamepads and that they aren't the "right tool for the job". :?

Assassin_87

Stating facts is elitism? Note not once have I said people should be 'forced' to use anything.

The thread is keyboard and mouse Vs game pad for FPS, the correct answer to that is K&M; which are 'superior' to a game pad for the genre. What you personally prefer is preference, but K&M being better for FPS is a fact.

My comments on "the right tool for the job" are in reference to which control methods are better suited to which genres. Saying K&M is better for FPS doesn't make me elitist, saying it it would be better for a genre that clearly favours a game pad would. I didn't say K&M is better at everything, I said different genres favour different control methods.

I get the impression that you skimmed my post for the most part and assumed it was a elitist rave. The people I criticised are those who would say a game pad is better for FPS, this is clearly untrue and they are probably only saying it because a game pad is the only option they have. I wouldn't recommend M&K for a game like DMC4, they're the ones trying to pass off one control method as being good at everything.

It's more fun and comfortable using a gamepad, it still does the job. ;)

CBR600-RR

What's fun and comfortable 'for you' is not evidence of which control method is better for the genre.

It's more fun and comfortable using a gamepad, it still does the job. ;)

CBR600-RR

[QUOTE="AnnoyedDragon"]

[QUOTE="CBR600-RR"]

But it is though, except for games like Command and Conquer as such.
For you PC gamers, it's all about "I want to turn around fast, I want faster aiming", are you seriously that bothered?

CBR600-RR

No it is not good for everything, the fact that so many of your shooters have to compensate for the game pad with some sort of assistance is evidence enough. You are actually criticising something that is faster and more accurate than a game pad in every way in FPS and asking is it a big deal? Why wouldn't you use the most effective control method for each genre?

Use the right tool for the job, that only gets argued against because you are stuck with one tool.

It's more fun and comfortable using a gamepad, it still does the job. ;)

If by "it does the job," you mean the vast majority of games on consoles have copious amounts of auto aim leveling the playing field and reducing the skill ceiling down to just above your head at crouch height, every game featuring at least quarter sized crosshairs with enormous spreads (bullet deviation) and levels designed around combat at 20 meters or preferably less, then sure, gamepads get the job done. Unfortunately PC FPS look nothing like that, there is no resemblance. Go See the video in the OP, does that look like something you played on a gamepad? Go see Red Orchestra, does that look like something you could play on a gamepad? Weapon sway is virtually impossible in console games which is why it is not a convention....which explains why realistic shooting games are exclusively the domain of the PC. Seriously, this is why PC gamers criticize console games, it's because your shooters are nothing like PC shooters.

What's fun and comfortable 'for you' is not evidence of which control method is better for the genre.

AnnoyedDragon

So why the **** did you reply again? I explained, in my own opinion, which is better. I can use the gamepad for everything except the RTS's and such.

:|

It does not do the job. You have failed to demonstrate that you would be capable of performing even a single shot in that killvid linked in the OP on a gamepad, and frankly, I am certain you couldn't if you tried. Even things like tracking a sprinting player or a zigzagging or strafing player are difficult on a gamepad at ranges of maybe 8-10 meters. The railgun is virtually a waste of time on a gamepad, which is something that has been a staple of FPS on PC for a decade.

If by "it does the job," you mean the vast majority of games on consoles have copious amounts of auto aim leveling the playing field and reducing the skill ceiling down to just above your head at crouch height, every game featuring at least quarter sized crosshairs with enormous spreads (bullet deviation) and levels designed around combat at 20 meters or preferably less, then sure, gamepads get the job done. Unfortunately PC FPS look nothing like that, there is no resemblance. Go See the video in the OP, does that look like something you played on a gamepad? Go see Red Orchestra, does that look like something you could play on a gamepad? Weapon sway is virtually impossible in console games which is why it is not a convention....which explains why realistic shooting games are exclusively the domain of the PC. Seriously, this is why PC gamers criticize console games, it's because your shooters are nothing like PC shooters.

Brownesque

You're going way too into this.
It definitely does the job for me, so what are you moaning at? The reason I don't use mouse and keyboard is because I prefer console shooters with a gamepad, they're more fun and easier.

So why the **** did you reply again? I explained, in my own opinion, which is better. I can use the gamepad for everything except the RTS's and such.

:|

CBR600-RR

You kept responding with preferences when I have clearly been talking about factual advantages the whole time; and you're mad at me?

[QUOTE="xsubtownerx"]No one is crazy enough to deny that K&M is the best for PFS games. However it doesn't mean that it makes the games more fun. methinksyou

A controller is better for moving around in 3D space, hence why you see more melee/close combat in console games like Halo, and Gear of War. I'll also argue that game studies have shown melee/close combat scenarios have the highest increase of engagement levels in players, and create a better gaming experience. From this we can conclude that the controller while not as precise is more fun.

[QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"]KB+M is akin to pointing at your enemies and firing. Zero actual skill. It's almost cheating. No actual aiming required. Brownesque

So by do the job, you mean they do a different type of game? That isn't exactly the same job. Sure, they're all right for casuals. I'm sure a soccer ball works all right for a game of basketball....if you're a casual player.Brownesque

Basketball? That's different. There are alternatives to shooters you know. :roll:

Honestly who are these people to decide what control method is more fun? Fun is subjective, so I'm not about to argue M&K are more fun, I determine fun by what I am playing; not what method I am using to play the game. Personally the restrictions of a controller would annoy me, but that's just my preference; and I'm not about to try to pass that off as fact.

The people talking about 'what's more fun' are just redirecting the comparison to one they think they can win.

Awweee...The on going debate that will surely last longer than any of us here. Lets just say im sure everyone here has, at some point in time, used k/m and a gamepad. So why is it that people that say a gamepad is better, are wrong? Is it just so hard for the pc elite to understand that people have different opinions on whats better for each person?

I honestly think its almost impossible for any pcgamer/fanboy to admit anything can be as good or better on a console. It just aint gonna happen.

I really think with the amount of these threads that pop up, its just an "argument" thing that people want instead of real opinions and preferences. SO IF everyone that likes gamepads just agreed that m/k are better for everyone...would that shut people up? I bet not..

[QUOTE="Brownesque"][QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"]KB+M is akin to pointing at your enemies and firing. Zero actual skill. It's almost cheating. No actual aiming required. Bread_or_Decide

Honestly who are these people to decide what control method is more fun? Fun is subjective, so I'm not about to argue M&K are more fun, I determine fun by what I am playing; not what method I am using to play the game. Personally the restrictions of a controller would annoy me, but that's just my preference; and I'm not about to try to pass that off as fact.

The people talking about 'what's more fun' are just redirecting the comparison to one they think they can win.

AnnoyedDragon

actually several research companies have objective ways of testing enjoyment by the end user. These are used for product, and academic research in most entertainment industries.

actually several research companies have objective ways of testing enjoyment by the end user. These are used for product, and academic research in most entertainment industries.

jrhawk42

Unless you have such research on this specific subject, that doesn't help.

The impression I get is people are trying to shift this from a objective to a subjective comparison. You cannot argue a game pad is more accurate in a FPS than a keyboard and mouse, but whether it is more fun they have a chance of arguing.

It's like those Crysis comparisons, they keep shifting the subject until they find one they can use to attack the game with.

Its all opinion. Unless it comes to action games when controllers own

It's like those Crysis comparisons, they keep shifting the subject until they find one they can use to attack the game with.

AnnoyedDragon

[QUOTE="Brownesque"][QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"]KB+M is akin to pointing at your enemies and firing. Zero actual skill. It's almost cheating. No actual aiming required. Bread_or_Decide

Also, dare you say that the person in the video linked in the OP is not more skilled than you are?

I also think it's cute that you're talking down to me like this. You do realize I play this game:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Acuji4npvMc

This game has no crosshairs. When you sprint you accumulate fatigue which causes you to have fierce weapon sway when you try and look down the sights....when you move your sights sway violently, the game also has real ballistics which means I have to deal with real trajectories. From the hip not only do you have no crosshairs, you also have free aim. Just because I have nothing artificially inhibiting my reflexes in the input device doesn't mean that I don't have gameplay mechanics I'm coping with that would make you incapable of shooting the broad side of a barn with a gamepad.

I routinely shoot zigzagging targets that I have to lead (remember that trajectory I was talking about earlier) at ranges of 100 meters plus or hunt players literally occupying just a few pixels, a square millimeter at best on my 20 inch monitor.

Then you've got the guy in the OP who acquires targets in just a few milliseconds and kills them with a weapon that drops a single ray on the crosshair.

Meanwhile, this is you:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JbIgbk6wiak

[QUOTE="jrhawk42"]

actually several research companies have objective ways of testing enjoyment by the end user. These are used for product, and academic research in most entertainment industries.

AnnoyedDragon

Unless you have such research on this specific subject, that doesn't help.

The impression I get is people are trying to shift this from a objective to a subjective comparison. You cannot argue a game pad is more accurate in a FPS than a keyboard and mouse, but whether it is more fun they have a chance of arguing.

It's like those Crysis comparisons, they keep shifting the subject until they find one they can use to attack the game with.

http://www.gamasutra.com/view/feature/3868/shoot_to_thrill_biosensory_.php?print=1

basically k/m supporters have only looked at one aspect of the argument, and that's accuracy (also one of 2 aspects the k/m has a clear win of). There's much more to input than just aiming. People are basically making this a more rounded argument in order to actually make sure all points are covered. When you start to look at aspects other than aim you can clearly see the k/m isn't a clear winner at this point.

[QUOTE="AnnoyedDragon"]

It's like those Crysis comparisons, they keep shifting the subject until they find one they can use to attack the game with.

methinksyou

No, that is not how SW works, we go by score here; outside of that is up for dispute. Also bringing up that is unrelated to the comparison I was making.

My Crysis comment was not regarding preference, it was about people working their way down a list of criticisms until they find one that enables them to criticise. In this case people are realizing they cannot reach their desired result with a objective comparison, so they are attempting to shift the discussion into a subjective one were they are in a better position to argue controllers > M&K. If for whatever reason that doesn't work, I'd expect the method of comparison to suddenly change again.

This is why this topic pops up time and time again despite the answer being clear, people aren't happy with the obvious answers so try to blur logic until their chosen method come out the answer.

http://www.gamasutra.com/view/feature/3868/shoot_to_thrill_biosensory_.php?print=1

basically k/m supporters have only looked at one aspect of the argument, and that's accuracy (also one of 2 aspects the k/m has a clear win of). There's much more to input than just aiming. People are basically making this a more rounded argument in order to actually make sure all points are covered. When you start to look at aspects other than aim you can clearly see the k/m isn't a clear winner at this point.

jrhawk42

Based on the skim through I did; that link has to do with researching players response to games, not the controller debate going on right now. I didn't dispute the existence of such research, I said unless you can find research on this topic bringing it up wasn't helpful.

Quite frankly you are an obvious example of the description I gave above. It isn't enough to just accept that certain controllers are better at certain genres, no no, you are trying to rationalize your way into arguing controllers > M&K :roll: You are so focused on this rational that you didn't notice you could quite easily turn your above argument around against controller supporters, accuse them of not looking at the whole picture.

Throughout this thread I have made one argument, the right tool for the job, don't get confused because you are the one being fanboyish right now.

[QUOTE="Assassin_87"]

I'm not responding specifically to what was said. Rather, how it was said and what is seemingly implied.

You're parading around the idea that EVERYONE would ALWAYS use KB/M if they weren't "forced" to use controllers by their obviously inferior choice of gaming platform. (lol)

I mean, if I've got you all wrong then let me know. But that seems to be the case. There's an air of elitism coming from your posts that doesn't go down smooth. No one cares that you think KB/M demolishes everything else. I enjoy PC gaming too, but I'd never say that people are forced to use gamepads and that they aren't the "right tool for the job". :?

AnnoyedDragon

Stating facts is elitism? Note not once have I said people should be 'forced' to use anything.

The thread is keyboard and mouse Vs game pad for FPS, the correct answer to that is K&M; which are 'superior' to a game pad for the genre. What you personally prefer is preference, but K&M being better for FPS is a fact.

My comments on "the right tool for the job" are in reference to which control methods are better suited to which genres. Saying K&M is better for FPS doesn't make me elitist, saying it it would be better for a genre that clearly favours a game pad would. I didn't say K&M is better at everything, I said different genres favour different control methods.

I get the impression that you skimmed my post for the most part and assumed it was a elitist rave. The people I criticised are those who would say a game pad is better for FPS, this is clearly untrue and they are probably only saying it because a game pad is the only option they have. I wouldn't recommend M&K for a game like DMC4, they're the ones trying to pass off one control method as being good at everything.

Okay, I can agree with what you're saying. It's really hard to judge things like tone through typed word so I sort of assumed you were being an elitist hermit. If you're honestly just saying that KB/M is more accurate, then go on about your business because I have no argument there.

[QUOTE="AnnoyedDragon"]

[QUOTE="jrhawk42"]

actually several research companies have objective ways of testing enjoyment by the end user. These are used for product, and academic research in most entertainment industries.

jrhawk42

Unless you have such research on this specific subject, that doesn't help.

The impression I get is people are trying to shift this from a objective to a subjective comparison. You cannot argue a game pad is more accurate in a FPS than a keyboard and mouse, but whether it is more fun they have a chance of arguing.

It's like those Crysis comparisons, they keep shifting the subject until they find one they can use to attack the game with.

http://www.gamasutra.com/view/feature/3868/shoot_to_thrill_biosensory_.php?print=1

basically k/m supporters have only looked at one aspect of the argument, and that's accuracy (also one of 2 aspects the k/m has a clear win of). There's much more to input than just aiming. People are basically making this a more rounded argument in order to actually make sure all points are covered. When you start to look at aspects other than aim you can clearly see the k/m isn't a clear winner at this point.

No, you're right, overcoming some arbitrary limitation is much more difficult, but it's not aiming. Aiming is making lining up your gun with your target, it's as simple as that.

Also, dare you say that the person in the video linked in the OP is not more skilled than you are?

I also think it's cute that you're talking down to me like this. You do realize I play this game:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Acuji4npvMc

This game has no crosshairs. When you sprint you accumulate fatigue which causes you to have fierce weapon sway when you try and look down the sights....when you move your sights sway violently, the game also has real ballistics which means I have to deal with real trajectories. From the hip not only do you have no crosshairs, you also have free aim. Just because I have nothing artificially inhibiting my reflexes in the input device doesn't mean that I don't have gameplay mechanics I'm coping with that would make you incapable of shooting the broad side of a barn with a gamepad.

I routinely shoot zigzagging targets that I have to lead (remember that trajectory I was talking about earlier) at ranges of 100 meters plus or hunt players literally occupying just a few pixels, a square millimeter at best on my 20 inch monitor.

Then you've got the guy in the OP who acquires targets in just a few milliseconds and kills them with a weapon that drops a single ray on the crosshair.

Meanwhile, this is you:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JbIgbk6wiak

Brownesque

Wow, I read that and seen nothing but one big boast. You have skills, we don't care. I would get fustrated as soon as I started to play that Red Orchestra, it just looks like it's only meant for people who spend too much time "improving my skilzzzz".

[QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"][QUOTE="Brownesque"] Incidentally, aiming is pointing at your enemies and firing.Brownesque

Also, dare you say that the person in the video linked in the OP is not more skilled than you are?

I also think it's cute that you're talking down to me like this. You do realize I play this game:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Acuji4npvMc

This game has no crosshairs. When you sprint you accumulate fatigue which causes you to have fierce weapon sway when you try and look down the sights....when you move your sights sway violently, the game also has real ballistics which means I have to deal with real trajectories. From the hip not only do you have no crosshairs, you also have free aim. Just because I have nothing artificially inhibiting my reflexes in the input device doesn't mean that I don't have gameplay mechanics I'm coping with that would make you incapable of shooting the broad side of a barn with a gamepad.

I routinely shoot zigzagging targets that I have to lead (remember that trajectory I was talking about earlier) at ranges of 100 meters plus or hunt players literally occupying just a few pixels, a square millimeter at best on my 20 inch monitor.

Then you've got the guy in the OP who acquires targets in just a few milliseconds and kills them with a weapon that drops a single ray on the crosshair.

Meanwhile, this is you:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JbIgbk6wiak