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#1 The_Nemacyst
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I am tired of fanboys. Especially sheep. Who claim " Gameplay is better than graphics"

But before you flame, read my whole post.

Fanboys usually have retarded reasons why gameplay is better than graphics.. Like

"LoLz, if you think gameplay is worser than graphics, then go watch a movie because that has good graphics.."

My comeback? "Well, if you have no graphics whatsoever, enjoy playing Zelda when your screen is black"

I also hate it how sheep act as if the Wii makes the gameplay better than the other consoles. The gameplay is the same. It's not like Xbox360/PS3 = Only graphics.

The Xbox360/PS3 = Next generation graphics, plus gameplay that we all love since last gen. I mean, I hate it how sheep hate games without motion sensing, when less than 2-3 years ago they were loving Resident Evil 4, SSBM etc.

The Wii is not new revolutionary gameplay. Games like WarioWare/Cooking Mama/Trauma Center are not game changing gameplay. There are hundreds of better games.

Gameplay depends on the actually gameplay of the game, not just the controller. The Wii also has bad graphics.

Gameplay is definitely more important than graphics, but its not like the all other consoles other than the Wii have no gameplay. You have been playing that gameplay that you have loved before the Wii, and that gameplay will still be good for many years to come.

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I am tired of fanboys. Especially sheep. Who claim " Gameplay is better than graphics"

But before you flame, read my whole post.

Fanboys usually have retarded reasons why gameplay is better than graphics.. Like

"LoLz, if you think gameplay is worser than graphics, then go watch a movie.."

My comeback? "Well, if you have no graphics whatsoever, enjoy playing Zelda when your screen is off"

I also hate it how sheep act as if the Wii makes the gameplay better than the other consoles. The gameplay is the same. It's not like Xbox360/PS3 = Only graphics.

The Xbox360/PS3 = Next generation graphics, plus gameplay that we all love since last gen. I mean, I hate it how sheep hate games without motion sensing, when less than 2-3 years ago they were loving Resident Evil 4, SSBM etc.

The Wii is not new revolutionary gameplay. Games like WarioWare/Cooking Mama/Trauma Center are not game changing gameplay. There are hundreds of better games.

Gameplay depends on the actually gameplay of the game, not just the controller. The Wii also has bad graphics.

The_Nemacyst


We didn't see those kinds of games 4 years ago... and there are more and more poping up everday... Something must have changed.
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#3 The_Nemacyst
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[QUOTE="The_Nemacyst"]

I am tired of fanboys. Especially sheep. Who claim " Gameplay is better than graphics"

But before you flame, read my whole post.

Fanboys usually have retarded reasons why gameplay is better than graphics.. Like

"LoLz, if you think gameplay is worser than graphics, then go watch a movie.."

My comeback? "Well, if you have no graphics whatsoever, enjoy playing Zelda when your screen is off"

I also hate it how sheep act as if the Wii makes the gameplay better than the other consoles. The gameplay is the same. It's not like Xbox360/PS3 = Only graphics.

The Xbox360/PS3 = Next generation graphics, plus gameplay that we all love since last gen. I mean, I hate it how sheep hate games without motion sensing, when less than 2-3 years ago they were loving Resident Evil 4, SSBM etc.

The Wii is not new revolutionary gameplay. Games like WarioWare/Cooking Mama/Trauma Center are not game changing gameplay. There are hundreds of better games.

Gameplay depends on the actually gameplay of the game, not just the controller. The Wii also has bad graphics.

GundamGuy0


We didn't see those kinds of games 4 years ago... and there are more and more poping up everday... Something must have changed.

We didn't see games where physics really matter 4 years ago. We didn't see full in game voicing. We didn't see revolutionary graphics. We didn't see gameplay like GoW2. We didn't see many things.
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have fun with your movies
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#5 The_Nemacyst
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have fun with your moviesthriteenthmonke
Have fun with your TV off.
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have fun with your moviesthriteenthmonke

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I am tired of fanboys. Especially sheep. Who claim " Gameplay is better than graphics"

But before you flame, read my whole post.

Fanboys usually have retarded reasons why gameplay is better than graphics.. Like

"LoLz, if you think gameplay is worser than graphics, then go watch a movie because that has good graphics.."

My comeback? "Well, if you have no graphics whatsoever, enjoy playing Zelda when your screen is black"

I also hate it how sheep act as if the Wii makes the gameplay better than the other consoles. The gameplay is the same. It's not like Xbox360/PS3 = Only graphics.

The Xbox360/PS3 = Next generation graphics, plus gameplay that we all love since last gen. I mean, I hate it how sheep hate games without motion sensing, when less than 2-3 years ago they were loving Resident Evil 4, SSBM etc.

The Wii is not new revolutionary gameplay. Games like WarioWare/Cooking Mama/Trauma Center are not game changing gameplay. There are hundreds of better games.

Gameplay depends on the actually gameplay of the game, not just the controller. The Wii also has bad graphics.

Gameplay is definitely more important than graphics, but its not like the all other consoles other than the Wii have no gameplay. You have been playing that gameplay that you have loved before the Wii, and that gameplay will still be good for many years to come.

The_Nemacyst

See the flaw in ur logic is that the Wii does graphics that look like a two year old drew it.  In fact it doesn't the graphics for the first party games don't look that bad.  Yes i know compared to the 360 or ps3 its not but it doesn't look that bad and if you still want to look "cool" because you have a next gen system that does great graphics then good for you if u care about graphics then you dont have to worry about the wii do you. Its not threat at all because graphics > gameplay thus wii will flop.

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[QUOTE="GundamGuy0"][QUOTE="The_Nemacyst"]

I am tired of fanboys. Especially sheep. Who claim " Gameplay is better than graphics"

But before you flame, read my whole post.

Fanboys usually have retarded reasons why gameplay is better than graphics.. Like

"LoLz, if you think gameplay is worser than graphics, then go watch a movie.."

My comeback? "Well, if you have no graphics whatsoever, enjoy playing Zelda when your screen is off"

I also hate it how sheep act as if the Wii makes the gameplay better than the other consoles. The gameplay is the same. It's not like Xbox360/PS3 = Only graphics.

The Xbox360/PS3 = Next generation graphics, plus gameplay that we all love since last gen. I mean, I hate it how sheep hate games without motion sensing, when less than 2-3 years ago they were loving Resident Evil 4, SSBM etc.

The Wii is not new revolutionary gameplay. Games like WarioWare/Cooking Mama/Trauma Center are not game changing gameplay. There are hundreds of better games.

Gameplay depends on the actually gameplay of the game, not just the controller. The Wii also has bad graphics.

The_Nemacyst


We didn't see those kinds of games 4 years ago... and there are more and more poping up everday... Something must have changed.

We didn't see games where physics really matter 4 years ago. We didn't see full in game voicing. We didn't see revolutionary graphics. We didn't see gameplay like GoW2. We didn't see many things.



Yes of course. It seems that people care more about revolutions in gameplay then they do in physics, acting, and graphics, and GoW2 is not a new kind of gameplay... it's just the best at that kind of gameplay.

Go figure.
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#9 The_Nemacyst
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The wii graphics are crap. Nintendo wanted to make a profit unlike Sony or Microsoft (whom basically lost profits for their fans)

So they didn't make good hardware.

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graphic whores will kill the indusrty, i hope your happy tc, youre leading the charge against the demise of videogames :(

Seriously, wii haters have been in full damage control ever since ndp numbers came in and nintendo cleaned house

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The wii graphics are crap. Nintendo wanted to make a profit unlike Sony or Microsoft (whom basically lost profits for their fans)

So they didn't make good hardware.

The_Nemacyst


No, Sony and Microsoft lost money so they could become the Media Center of your home... They get the money back from you, don't worry.
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graphic whores will kill the indusrty, i hope your happy tc, youre leading the charge against the demise of videogames :(

Seriously, wii haters have been in full damage control ever since ndp numbers came in and nintendo cleaned house

sexy_luigi
I'm not a graphics whore. I'm just saying the Wii sucks. Wii is not good graphics Wii is not better gameplay than other consoles, the motion sensing doesn't make it automatically good.
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Oh how did we ever, ever get through the 8 and 16-bit era?
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#14 The_Nemacyst
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The wii graphics are crap. Nintendo wanted to make a profit unlike Sony or Microsoft (whom basically lost profits for their fans)

So they didn't make good hardware.

GundamGuy0


No, Sony and Microsoft lost money so they could become the Media Center of your home... They get the money back from you, don't worry.

They really explains the 1000 dollar manufacturing cost for the PS3 at launch, that explains the 600 manufacturing cost for the 360 at launch.. /sarcasm Whats the cost for the Wii? Probably less than 60 dollars.
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graphic whores will kill the indusrty, i hope your happy tc, youre leading the charge against the demise of videogames :(

Seriously, wii haters have been in full damage control ever since ndp numbers came in and nintendo cleaned house

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I hope you know that your avatar and name give you away. I agree with threadmaker on alot of the points he makes. P.S. - Atlantis Rules.
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I am tired of fanboys. Especially sheep. Who claim " Gameplay is better than graphics"

But before you flame, read my whole post.

Fanboys usually have retarded reasons why gameplay is better than graphics.. Like

"LoLz, if you think gameplay is worser than graphics, then go watch a movie because that has good graphics.."

My comeback? "Well, if you have no graphics whatsoever, enjoy playing Zelda when your screen is black"

I also hate it how sheep act as if the Wii makes the gameplay better than the other consoles. The gameplay is the same. It's not like Xbox360/PS3 = Only graphics.

The Xbox360/PS3 = Next generation graphics, plus gameplay that we all love since last gen. I mean, I hate it how sheep hate games without motion sensing, when less than 2-3 years ago they were loving Resident Evil 4, SSBM etc.

The Wii is not new revolutionary gameplay. Games like WarioWare/Cooking Mama/Trauma Center are not game changing gameplay. There are hundreds of better games.

Gameplay depends on the actually gameplay of the game, not just the controller. The Wii also has bad graphics.

Gameplay is definitely more important than graphics, but its not like the all other consoles other than the Wii have no gameplay. You have been playing that gameplay that you have loved before the Wii, and that gameplay will still be good for many years to come.

The_Nemacyst
Hey man shut up your post made sense and was reasonalbe.
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I am tired of fanboys. Especially sheep. Who claim " Gameplay is better than graphics"

But before you flame, read my whole post.

Fanboys usually have retarded reasons why gameplay is better than graphics.. Like

"LoLz, if you think gameplay is worser than graphics, then go watch a movie because that has good graphics.."

My comeback? "Well, if you have no graphics whatsoever, enjoy playing Zelda when your screen is black"

I also hate it how sheep act as if the Wii makes the gameplay better than the other consoles. The gameplay is the same. It's not like Xbox360/PS3 = Only graphics.

The Xbox360/PS3 = Next generation graphics, plus gameplay that we all love since last gen. I mean, I hate it how sheep hate games without motion sensing, when less than 2-3 years ago they were loving Resident Evil 4, SSBM etc.

The Wii is not new revolutionary gameplay. Games like WarioWare/Cooking Mama/Trauma Center are not game changing gameplay. There are hundreds of better games.

Gameplay depends on the actually gameplay of the game, not just the controller. The Wii also has bad graphics.

Gameplay is definitely more important than graphics, but its not like the all other consoles other than the Wii have no gameplay. You have been playing that gameplay that you have loved before the Wii, and that gameplay will still be good for many years to come.

The_Nemacyst


"The Wii is not new revolutionary gameplay. Games like WarioWare/Cooking Mama/Trauma Center are not game changing gameplay." Having a change of heart from your last post? Maybe because it did not go so well?

You're the one who said in your last post that we couldn't affect you, because you didn't care and yet I can see that your tired "I am tired of fanboys. Especially sheep. Who claim " Gameplay is better than graphics"" and that you're overly generalizing, and assuming. Not only that you're using the general quotes mostly never used by anybody on these forums as a base to actually suppor your argument.
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#18 GundamGuy0
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[QUOTE="GundamGuy0"][QUOTE="The_Nemacyst"]

The wii graphics are crap. Nintendo wanted to make a profit unlike Sony or Microsoft (whom basically lost profits for their fans)

So they didn't make good hardware.

The_Nemacyst


No, Sony and Microsoft lost money so they could become the Media Center of your home... They get the money back from you, don't worry.

They really explains the 1000 dollar manufacturing cost for the PS3 at launch, that explains the 600 manufacturing cost for the 360 at launch.. /sarcasm Whats the cost for the Wii? Probably less than 60 dollars.



It does... You buy the Xbox pay for stuff on XBLA, or Gold Memberships for XBL, and bam in a few years all cost that you saved on hardware are spent on data, movies and IPTV and whatever else Microsoft comes up with that consumers will be willing to buy like it's no tomorrow... It's smart take a loss now to make it back 10 fold later.

Same with the PS3.
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It may be foolhardy of me to reply, since your legacy here is one of bashing anything for any reason you see fit, but nonetheless, here goes! First off, lets just establish that graphics are relative. No, not in terms of just pushing polygons, shaders, bump mapping, etc. That's all quantifyable. However, what really matters is the opinion one takes away from the game. And that relies upon technical graphics as well as art style. For example, Gears of War. Many found it to be graphically stunning. Me? Though very impressive, technologically, I found it underwhelming, graphically, due to it's strong genericness. The art style was practically non-existant except for an intense overuse of the color grey. And as such, graphical standards are subjective. Me? I'm fine with the higher end stuff from last gen. Stuff like RE4, Rogue Leader, Ninja Gaiden Black, God of War, and Twilight Princess. You? Apparently you're different. So does the Wii have bad graphics? Comparatively, yes, it's not on the same level as the PS3 and 360. Subjectively? Well, that's subjective. You apparently think so. Me? Not so much. As for gameplay, you seem to miss the point. It's not the exact gameplay that's being changed as the control method. Take Sonic and the Secret Rings, for example. The gameplay could easily be done on any other 3D capable console. But the control method, using the Wiimote's motion and tilt sensing, takes the gameplay experience to another level. However, there we come again to subjectivity. I think the controls are excellent and serve to make the gameplay much more fun (Example: Homing attack. Flicking the Wiimote forward is much more engaging and fun than pressing "A" over and over). However, I've heard others describe it as impercise and frustrating. Once again, subjective opinions reign supreme. And is it revolutionary? Once again, opinion based on your expectations. Some expected something amazing, a paradigm shift in gaming. They will be disapointed. I was looking for it to enable me to play games that couldn't have been done on consoles before. And the Wii has already delivered in that regard. Good luck trying to do Trauma Center on the PS3 or 360. So I think it is revolutionary, in that regard. Once again, subjective opinions reign supreme. So basically your entire post boils down to a combination of hyperbole (No graphics? Do you really think that's what they're arguing?), obvious statements (No, sheep don't suddenly abjectly hate any game without motion sensing, they just find motion controls enhance the gaming experience), and opinion.
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#21 The_Nemacyst
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[QUOTE="The_Nemacyst"]

I am tired of fanboys. Especially sheep. Who claim " Gameplay is better than graphics"

But before you flame, read my whole post.

Fanboys usually have retarded reasons why gameplay is better than graphics.. Like

"LoLz, if you think gameplay is worser than graphics, then go watch a movie because that has good graphics.."

My comeback? "Well, if you have no graphics whatsoever, enjoy playing Zelda when your screen is black"

I also hate it how sheep act as if the Wii makes the gameplay better than the other consoles. The gameplay is the same. It's not like Xbox360/PS3 = Only graphics.

The Xbox360/PS3 = Next generation graphics, plus gameplay that we all love since last gen. I mean, I hate it how sheep hate games without motion sensing, when less than 2-3 years ago they were loving Resident Evil 4, SSBM etc.

The Wii is not new revolutionary gameplay. Games like WarioWare/Cooking Mama/Trauma Center are not game changing gameplay. There are hundreds of better games.

Gameplay depends on the actually gameplay of the game, not just the controller. The Wii also has bad graphics.

Gameplay is definitely more important than graphics, but its not like the all other consoles other than the Wii have no gameplay. You have been playing that gameplay that you have loved before the Wii, and that gameplay will still be good for many years to come.

StealthSting


"The Wii is not new revolutionary gameplay. Games like WarioWare/Cooking Mama/Trauma Center are not game changing gameplay." Having a change of heart from your last post? Maybe because it did not go so well?

You're the one who said in your last post that we couldn't affect you, because you didn't care and yet I can see that your tired "I am tired of fanboys. Especially sheep. Who claim " Gameplay is better than graphics"" and that you're overly generalizing, and assuming. Not only that you're using the general quotes mostly never used by anybody on these forums as a base to actually suppor your argument.

Those games suck. Also The Nintendo DS had already bought that type of gameplay before the Wii did.
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#22 The_Nemacyst
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[QUOTE="The_Nemacyst"][QUOTE="GundamGuy0"][QUOTE="The_Nemacyst"]

The wii graphics are crap. Nintendo wanted to make a profit unlike Sony or Microsoft (whom basically lost profits for their fans)

So they didn't make good hardware.

GundamGuy0


No, Sony and Microsoft lost money so they could become the Media Center of your home... They get the money back from you, don't worry.

They really explains the 1000 dollar manufacturing cost for the PS3 at launch, that explains the 600 manufacturing cost for the 360 at launch.. /sarcasm Whats the cost for the Wii? Probably less than 60 dollars.



It does... You buy the Xbox pay for stuff on XBLA, or Gold Memberships for XBL, and bam in a few years all cost that you saved on hardware are spent on data, movies and IPTV and whatever else Microsoft comes up with that consumers will be willing to buy like it's no tomorrow... It's smart take a loss now to make it back 10 fold later.

Same with the PS3.

Not true. Microsoft and Sony's gaming division are constantly in losses. While Nintendo is always making money, off of the WIi and off of the things you buy on VC/games etc.
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#23 GundamGuy0
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[QUOTE="StealthSting"][QUOTE="The_Nemacyst"]

I am tired of fanboys. Especially sheep. Who claim " Gameplay is better than graphics"

But before you flame, read my whole post.

Fanboys usually have retarded reasons why gameplay is better than graphics.. Like

"LoLz, if you think gameplay is worser than graphics, then go watch a movie because that has good graphics.."

My comeback? "Well, if you have no graphics whatsoever, enjoy playing Zelda when your screen is black"

I also hate it how sheep act as if the Wii makes the gameplay better than the other consoles. The gameplay is the same. It's not like Xbox360/PS3 = Only graphics.

The Xbox360/PS3 = Next generation graphics, plus gameplay that we all love since last gen. I mean, I hate it how sheep hate games without motion sensing, when less than 2-3 years ago they were loving Resident Evil 4, SSBM etc.

The Wii is not new revolutionary gameplay. Games like WarioWare/Cooking Mama/Trauma Center are not game changing gameplay. There are hundreds of better games.

Gameplay depends on the actually gameplay of the game, not just the controller. The Wii also has bad graphics.

Gameplay is definitely more important than graphics, but its not like the all other consoles other than the Wii have no gameplay. You have been playing that gameplay that you have loved before the Wii, and that gameplay will still be good for many years to come.

The_Nemacyst


"The Wii is not new revolutionary gameplay. Games like WarioWare/Cooking Mama/Trauma Center are not game changing gameplay." Having a change of heart from your last post? Maybe because it did not go so well?

You're the one who said in your last post that we couldn't affect you, because you didn't care and yet I can see that your tired "I am tired of fanboys. Especially sheep. Who claim " Gameplay is better than graphics"" and that you're overly generalizing, and assuming. Not only that you're using the general quotes mostly never used by anybody on these forums as a base to actually suppor your argument.

Those games suck. Also The Nintendo DS had already bought that type of gameplay before the Wii did.



Suckage == Opinion, one that what appears to be a majorty of game buyers at this point and time don't agree with.

I mean it's apparently people like this kind of game play, that wasn't avaible before the DS or Wii.


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Still play chrono trigger for the snes, it  never gets old and its better than any next gen rpg has come up with. 
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#25 MaTT2011
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You guys always take things to unreasonable extremes. People who believe the Gameplay>>>>Graphics philosophy to be true, on various levels, are NOT suggesting that we can do entirely without graphics! What would make you think that? To suggest that we would rather play a black screen is ridiculous on so many levels; you cant possibly be serious. "Gameplay depends on the actually gameplay of the game, not just the controller. The Wii also has bad graphics." sigh. A player is able to ACCESS gameplay THROUGH the controls! thats the primary means of gameplay! Play=doing something. The controller has MOST to do with user end gameplay. Your post REEKS of illogical argumentation. Do you know what the strawman fallacy is? Because you committed it quite a bit. Not to mention using a slippery slope argument , "Well then have fun staring at a black screen!" I suggest you think before posting, son, it will help.
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[QUOTE="Hoffgod"]It may be foolhardy of me to reply, since your legacy here is one of bashing anything for any reason you see fit, but nonetheless, here goes! First off, lets just establish that graphics are relative. No, not in terms of just pushing polygons, shaders, bump mapping, etc. That's all quantifyable. However, what really matters is the opinion one takes away from the game. And that relies upon technical graphics as well as art style. For example, Gears of War. Many found it to be graphically stunning. Me? Though very impressive, technologically, I found it underwhelming, graphically, due to it's strong genericness. The art style was practically non-existant except for an intense overuse of the color grey. And as such, graphical standards are subjective. Me? I'm fine with the higher end stuff from last gen. Stuff like RE4, Rogue Leader, Ninja Gaiden Black, God of War, and Twilight Princess. You? Apparently you're different. So does the Wii have bad graphics? Comparatively, yes, it's not on the same level as the PS3 and 360. Subjectively? Well, that's subjective. You apparently think so. Me? Not so much. As for gameplay, you seem to miss the point. It's not the exact gameplay that's being changed as the control method. Take Sonic and the Secret Rings, for example. The gameplay could easily be done on any other 3D capable console. But the control method, using the Wiimote's motion and tilt sensing, takes the gameplay experience to another level. However, there we come again to subjectivity. I think the controls are excellent and serve to make the gameplay much more fun (Example: Homing attack. Flicking the Wiimote forward is much more engaging and fun than pressing "A" over and over). However, I've heard others describe it as impercise and frustrating. Once again, subjective opinions reign supreme. And is it revolutionary? Once again, opinion based on your expectations. Some expected something amazing, a paradigm shift in gaming. They will be disapointed. I was looking for it to enable me to play games that couldn't have been done on consoles before. And the Wii has already delivered in that regard. Good luck trying to do Trauma Center on the PS3 or 360. So I think it is revolutionary, in that regard. Once again, subjective opinions reign supreme. So basically your entire post boils down to a combination of hyperbole (No graphics? Do you really think that's what they're arguing?), obvious statements (No, sheep don't suddenly abjectly hate any game without motion sensing, they just find motion controls enhance the gaming experience), and opinion.

Also, the Xbox360/PS3 can have good art styles in 1080p. The Wii does not have good graphics in both 3d visuals and art styles.. Games from the PS2 are beating the Wii in graphics from both ART and 3d. New movements, but that doesn't really matter. Get this, if you are really concentrating on the game itself YOU ARE NOT GOING TO PAY ATTENTION TO YOUR MOVMENTS. They will be a side thing, while the gameplay inside the gameitself is the main thing. Imagine this, you are fiddling with a new controller with controls you don't know how to use on the PS3. At first, whatever button you press you look at it since you are new to it and aren't use to it. But once you get used to it, it becomes a 2nd thing, and you concentrate on the game itself rather than on the controls.
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#27 GundamGuy0
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[QUOTE="GundamGuy0"][QUOTE="The_Nemacyst"][QUOTE="GundamGuy0"][QUOTE="The_Nemacyst"]

The wii graphics are crap. Nintendo wanted to make a profit unlike Sony or Microsoft (whom basically lost profits for their fans)

So they didn't make good hardware.

The_Nemacyst


No, Sony and Microsoft lost money so they could become the Media Center of your home... They get the money back from you, don't worry.

They really explains the 1000 dollar manufacturing cost for the PS3 at launch, that explains the 600 manufacturing cost for the 360 at launch.. /sarcasm Whats the cost for the Wii? Probably less than 60 dollars.



It does... You buy the Xbox pay for stuff on XBLA, or Gold Memberships for XBL, and bam in a few years all cost that you saved on hardware are spent on data, movies and IPTV and whatever else Microsoft comes up with that consumers will be willing to buy like it's no tomorrow... It's smart take a loss now to make it back 10 fold later.

Same with the PS3.

Not true. Microsoft and Sony's gaming division are constantly in losses. While Nintendo is always making money, off of the WIi and off of the things you buy on VC/games etc.



Yes, Notice how it says Later? Once the cost of the console comes down people will still be paying the 50$ a year for live, and for all that other stuff, loss on hardware will decrease for them, Revinew from these sources will stay the same or increase, and vola raking in the money, on. This doesn't happen the month or even the year after they launch... It's a long term investment.

And yes the Wii does it too, smart of Nintendo eh.
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[QUOTE="MaTT2011"]You guys always take things to unreasonable extremes. People who believe the Gameplay>>>>Graphics philosophy to be true, on various levels, are NOT suggesting that we can do entirely without graphics! What would make you think that? To suggest that we would rather play a black screen is ridiculous on so many levels; you cant possibly be serious. "Gameplay depends on the actually gameplay of the game, not just the controller. The Wii also has bad graphics." sigh. A player is able to ACCESS gameplay THROUGH the controls! thats the primary means of gameplay! Play=doing something. The controller has MOST to do with user end gameplay. Your post REEKS of illogical argumentation. Do you know what the strawman fallacy is? Because you committed it quite a bit. Not to mention using a slippery slope argument , "Well then have fun staring at a black screen!" I suggest you think before posting, son, it will help.

Since when you do play your PC and always pay attention to what buttons you press?
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#29 Hoffgod
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[QUOTE="GundamGuy0"][QUOTE="The_Nemacyst"][QUOTE="GundamGuy0"][QUOTE="The_Nemacyst"]

The wii graphics are crap. Nintendo wanted to make a profit unlike Sony or Microsoft (whom basically lost profits for their fans)

So they didn't make good hardware.

The_Nemacyst


No, Sony and Microsoft lost money so they could become the Media Center of your home... They get the money back from you, don't worry.

They really explains the 1000 dollar manufacturing cost for the PS3 at launch, that explains the 600 manufacturing cost for the 360 at launch.. /sarcasm Whats the cost for the Wii? Probably less than 60 dollars.



It does... You buy the Xbox pay for stuff on XBLA, or Gold Memberships for XBL, and bam in a few years all cost that you saved on hardware are spent on data, movies and IPTV and whatever else Microsoft comes up with that consumers will be willing to buy like it's no tomorrow... It's smart take a loss now to make it back 10 fold later.

Same with the PS3.

Not true. Microsoft and Sony's gaming division are constantly in losses. While Nintendo is always making money, off of the WIi and off of the things you buy on VC/games etc.

Not true. Sony's games division was the most profitable division of the company last generation, and Microsoft is currently making about a $75 profit off of each Premium 360 sold. Businesses exist to make money. Don't act so shocked when that's what they try to do.
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#30 The_Nemacyst
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Still play chrono trigger for the snes, it  never gets old and its better than any next gen rpg has come up with. Dahaka-UK
Chrono Chross is better :)
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[QUOTE="StealthSting"][QUOTE="The_Nemacyst"]

I am tired of fanboys. Especially sheep. Who claim " Gameplay is better than graphics"

But before you flame, read my whole post.

Fanboys usually have retarded reasons why gameplay is better than graphics.. Like

"LoLz, if you think gameplay is worser than graphics, then go watch a movie because that has good graphics.."

My comeback? "Well, if you have no graphics whatsoever, enjoy playing Zelda when your screen is black"

I also hate it how sheep act as if the Wii makes the gameplay better than the other consoles. The gameplay is the same. It's not like Xbox360/PS3 = Only graphics.

The Xbox360/PS3 = Next generation graphics, plus gameplay that we all love since last gen. I mean, I hate it how sheep hate games without motion sensing, when less than 2-3 years ago they were loving Resident Evil 4, SSBM etc.

The Wii is not new revolutionary gameplay. Games like WarioWare/Cooking Mama/Trauma Center are not game changing gameplay. There are hundreds of better games.

Gameplay depends on the actually gameplay of the game, not just the controller. The Wii also has bad graphics.

Gameplay is definitely more important than graphics, but its not like the all other consoles other than the Wii have no gameplay. You have been playing that gameplay that you have loved before the Wii, and that gameplay will still be good for many years to come.

The_Nemacyst


"The Wii is not new revolutionary gameplay. Games like WarioWare/Cooking Mama/Trauma Center are not game changing gameplay." Having a change of heart from your last post? Maybe because it did not go so well?

You're the one who said in your last post that we couldn't affect you, because you didn't care and yet I can see that your tired "I am tired of fanboys. Especially sheep. Who claim " Gameplay is better than graphics"" and that you're overly generalizing, and assuming. Not only that you're using the general quotes mostly never used by anybody on these forums as a base to actually suppor your argument.

Those games suck. Also The Nintendo DS had already bought that type of gameplay before the Wii did.

Your forgot to put IMO after the "Those games suck" then again its not required, since some people don't agree with you. For example? Some reviewers on gamespot.
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[QUOTE="The_Nemacyst"][QUOTE="GundamGuy0"][QUOTE="The_Nemacyst"][QUOTE="GundamGuy0"][QUOTE="The_Nemacyst"]

The wii graphics are crap. Nintendo wanted to make a profit unlike Sony or Microsoft (whom basically lost profits for their fans)

So they didn't make good hardware.

Hoffgod


No, Sony and Microsoft lost money so they could become the Media Center of your home... They get the money back from you, don't worry.

They really explains the 1000 dollar manufacturing cost for the PS3 at launch, that explains the 600 manufacturing cost for the 360 at launch.. /sarcasm Whats the cost for the Wii? Probably less than 60 dollars.



It does... You buy the Xbox pay for stuff on XBLA, or Gold Memberships for XBL, and bam in a few years all cost that you saved on hardware are spent on data, movies and IPTV and whatever else Microsoft comes up with that consumers will be willing to buy like it's no tomorrow... It's smart take a loss now to make it back 10 fold later.

Same with the PS3.

Not true. Microsoft and Sony's gaming division are constantly in losses. While Nintendo is always making money, off of the WIi and off of the things you buy on VC/games etc.

Not true. Sony's games division was the most profitable division of the company last generation, and Microsoft is currently making about a $75 profit off of each Premium 360 sold. Businesses exist to make money. Don't act so shocked when that's what they try to do.

Overall Microsoft is still losing money. They barely started making money since November last year. But they are still in debt (gaming division)
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#33 The_Nemacyst
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[QUOTE="The_Nemacyst"][QUOTE="StealthSting"][QUOTE="The_Nemacyst"]

I am tired of fanboys. Especially sheep. Who claim " Gameplay is better than graphics"

But before you flame, read my whole post.

Fanboys usually have retarded reasons why gameplay is better than graphics.. Like

"LoLz, if you think gameplay is worser than graphics, then go watch a movie because that has good graphics.."

My comeback? "Well, if you have no graphics whatsoever, enjoy playing Zelda when your screen is black"

I also hate it how sheep act as if the Wii makes the gameplay better than the other consoles. The gameplay is the same. It's not like Xbox360/PS3 = Only graphics.

The Xbox360/PS3 = Next generation graphics, plus gameplay that we all love since last gen. I mean, I hate it how sheep hate games without motion sensing, when less than 2-3 years ago they were loving Resident Evil 4, SSBM etc.

The Wii is not new revolutionary gameplay. Games like WarioWare/Cooking Mama/Trauma Center are not game changing gameplay. There are hundreds of better games.

Gameplay depends on the actually gameplay of the game, not just the controller. The Wii also has bad graphics.

Gameplay is definitely more important than graphics, but its not like the all other consoles other than the Wii have no gameplay. You have been playing that gameplay that you have loved before the Wii, and that gameplay will still be good for many years to come.

StealthSting


"The Wii is not new revolutionary gameplay. Games like WarioWare/Cooking Mama/Trauma Center are not game changing gameplay." Having a change of heart from your last post? Maybe because it did not go so well?

You're the one who said in your last post that we couldn't affect you, because you didn't care and yet I can see that your tired "I am tired of fanboys. Especially sheep. Who claim " Gameplay is better than graphics"" and that you're overly generalizing, and assuming. Not only that you're using the general quotes mostly never used by anybody on these forums as a base to actually suppor your argument.

Those games suck. Also The Nintendo DS had already bought that type of gameplay before the Wii did.

Your forgot to put IMO after the "Those games suck" then again its not required, since some people don't agree with you. For example? Some reviewers on gamespot.

Those same reviewers also think TP sucks.
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[QUOTE="The_Nemacyst"][QUOTE="MaTT2011"]You guys always take things to unreasonable extremes. People who believe the Gameplay>>>>Graphics philosophy to be true, on various levels, are NOT suggesting that we can do entirely without graphics! What would make you think that? To suggest that we would rather play a black screen is ridiculous on so many levels; you cant possibly be serious. "Gameplay depends on the actually gameplay of the game, not just the controller. The Wii also has bad graphics." sigh. A player is able to ACCESS gameplay THROUGH the controls! thats the primary means of gameplay! Play=doing something. The controller has MOST to do with user end gameplay. Your post REEKS of illogical argumentation. Do you know what the strawman fallacy is? Because you committed it quite a bit. Not to mention using a slippery slope argument , "Well then have fun staring at a black screen!" I suggest you think before posting, son, it will help.

Since when you do play your PC and always pay attention to what buttons you press?

Are you seriously trying to suggest that when people play video games they dont think about what they are doing? If yes; LMFAO. That would have to be the most ridiculous thing ever proposed. How else are you supposed to learn how to play a game? You have to know what to push and when; what circumstances require certain actions and which require others? You have to know what to do, know what buttons to push, in order to play a game. Please tell me you arent serious...
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The wii graphics are crap. Nintendo wanted to make a profit unlike Sony or Microsoft (whom basically lost profits for their fans)

So they didn't make good hardware.

The_Nemacyst
LOL. Don't you know what a business model is? Microsoft and Sony put so much money into their consoles because they thought they could gain more marketshare through superior graphics. LOL. "Lost profits for their fans"? Are you thirteen or something? Yeah I'm sure Kutaragi was sitting in bed at night thinking "I must make my fans happy...I must create a system capable of rendering objects in 4D..." And Bill Gates? Oh yeah, I'm sure that Xenon was designed to make fans "happy" and not sell the console. The quality of your posts has really gone downhill lately.
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all these graphics are doing really as of this gen.. are making games extremely short and slow development times for games the rest is just pretty.. you can have good pyshics with crappy graphics, you can have a good game with crappy graphics.. and you can have a crappy game with the best graphics going, and as for wii games being crap yes they are crap but that isnt cause they have shoddy graphics, it's cause they are dumbed down for none gamers thats what nintendo are focusing on arent they dumbing games down.
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#38 The_Nemacyst
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[QUOTE="The_Nemacyst"]

The wii graphics are crap. Nintendo wanted to make a profit unlike Sony or Microsoft (whom basically lost profits for their fans)

So they didn't make good hardware.

Tristam22
LOL. Don't you know what a business model is? Microsoft and Sony put so much money into their consoles because they thought they could gain more marketshare through superior graphics. LOL. "Lost profits for their fans"? Are you thirteen or something? Yeah I'm sure Kutaragi was sitting in bed at night thinking "I must make my fans happy...I must create a system capable of rendering objects in 4D..." And Bill Gates? Oh yeah, I'm sure that Xenon was designed to make fans "happy" and not sell the console. The quality of your posts has really gone downhill lately.

The MORE consoles they sell the MORE AT LOST THEY ARE. They are doing it for their fans.
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[QUOTE="StealthSting"][QUOTE="The_Nemacyst"][QUOTE="StealthSting"][QUOTE="The_Nemacyst"]

I am tired of fanboys. Especially sheep. Who claim " Gameplay is better than graphics"

But before you flame, read my whole post.

Fanboys usually have retarded reasons why gameplay is better than graphics.. Like

"LoLz, if you think gameplay is worser than graphics, then go watch a movie because that has good graphics.."

My comeback? "Well, if you have no graphics whatsoever, enjoy playing Zelda when your screen is black"

I also hate it how sheep act as if the Wii makes the gameplay better than the other consoles. The gameplay is the same. It's not like Xbox360/PS3 = Only graphics.

The Xbox360/PS3 = Next generation graphics, plus gameplay that we all love since last gen. I mean, I hate it how sheep hate games without motion sensing, when less than 2-3 years ago they were loving Resident Evil 4, SSBM etc.

The Wii is not new revolutionary gameplay. Games like WarioWare/Cooking Mama/Trauma Center are not game changing gameplay. There are hundreds of better games.

Gameplay depends on the actually gameplay of the game, not just the controller. The Wii also has bad graphics.

Gameplay is definitely more important than graphics, but its not like the all other consoles other than the Wii have no gameplay. You have been playing that gameplay that you have loved before the Wii, and that gameplay will still be good for many years to come.

The_Nemacyst


"The Wii is not new revolutionary gameplay. Games like WarioWare/Cooking Mama/Trauma Center are not game changing gameplay." Having a change of heart from your last post? Maybe because it did not go so well?

You're the one who said in your last post that we couldn't affect you, because you didn't care and yet I can see that your tired "I am tired of fanboys. Especially sheep. Who claim " Gameplay is better than graphics"" and that you're overly generalizing, and assuming. Not only that you're using the general quotes mostly never used by anybody on these forums as a base to actually suppor your argument.

Those games suck. Also The Nintendo DS had already bought that type of gameplay before the Wii did.

Your forgot to put IMO after the "Those games suck" then again its not required, since some people don't agree with you. For example? Some reviewers on gamespot.

Those same reviewers also think TP sucks.

Because a score of "8.8" sucks doesn't it? Just ignore that "GREAT" underneath the numerical score.
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#40 The_Nemacyst
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[QUOTE="MaTT2011"][QUOTE="The_Nemacyst"][QUOTE="MaTT2011"]You guys always take things to unreasonable extremes. People who believe the Gameplay>>>>Graphics philosophy to be true, on various levels, are NOT suggesting that we can do entirely without graphics! What would make you think that? To suggest that we would rather play a black screen is ridiculous on so many levels; you cant possibly be serious. "Gameplay depends on the actually gameplay of the game, not just the controller. The Wii also has bad graphics." sigh. A player is able to ACCESS gameplay THROUGH the controls! thats the primary means of gameplay! Play=doing something. The controller has MOST to do with user end gameplay. Your post REEKS of illogical argumentation. Do you know what the strawman fallacy is? Because you committed it quite a bit. Not to mention using a slippery slope argument , "Well then have fun staring at a black screen!" I suggest you think before posting, son, it will help.

Since when you do play your PC and always pay attention to what buttons you press?

Are you seriously trying to suggest that when people play video games they dont think about what they are doing? If yes; LMFAO. That would have to be the most ridiculous thing ever proposed. How else are you supposed to learn how to play a game? You have to know what to push and when; what circumstances require certain actions and which require others? You have to know what to do, know what buttons to push, in order to play a game. Please tell me you arent serious...

Got to be kidding me, so you are telling me you have never been extremely into a game where you don't press a button without having to think about it? So every time you play Halo 2 or say, and when you want to jump for example.. do you ask yourself "I need to jump over there" or do you ask yourself "I need to jump over there, wheres the A button?"
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[QUOTE="sexy_luigi"]

graphic whores will kill the indusrty, i hope your happy tc, youre leading the charge against the demise of videogames :(

Seriously, wii haters have been in full damage control ever since ndp numbers came in and nintendo cleaned house

The_Nemacyst

I'm not a graphics whore. I'm just saying the Wii sucks. Wii is not good graphics Wii is not better gameplay than other consoles, the motion sensing doesn't make it automatically good.

I agree with this, so far, the Wii-mote has been nothing more than a gimmik and has added ZERO to gameplay other than be annoying and make people wish they had a regular controller in there hand instead.  I could not bring my self to finish Zelda on the Wii, the controls down right suck and are distracting, and the speaker on the wii mote does not help things much as all it is, is a tinny sounding annoyince wrapped in plastic.

 And I don't wanna buy the cube version cause it does not have wide screen, and I am not gonna pay $80 for Componet cables off of Ebay for the cube.

The Wii = FLOP IMO.  + with the drought coming up ( o wow no big suprise there from Nintendo :roll: ) Sheep are gonna be playing Zelda over and over and over....

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[QUOTE="The_Nemacyst"][QUOTE="StealthSting"][QUOTE="The_Nemacyst"][QUOTE="StealthSting"][QUOTE="The_Nemacyst"]

I am tired of fanboys. Especially sheep. Who claim " Gameplay is better than graphics"

But before you flame, read my whole post.

Fanboys usually have retarded reasons why gameplay is better than graphics.. Like

"LoLz, if you think gameplay is worser than graphics, then go watch a movie because that has good graphics.."

My comeback? "Well, if you have no graphics whatsoever, enjoy playing Zelda when your screen is black"

I also hate it how sheep act as if the Wii makes the gameplay better than the other consoles. The gameplay is the same. It's not like Xbox360/PS3 = Only graphics.

The Xbox360/PS3 = Next generation graphics, plus gameplay that we all love since last gen. I mean, I hate it how sheep hate games without motion sensing, when less than 2-3 years ago they were loving Resident Evil 4, SSBM etc.

The Wii is not new revolutionary gameplay. Games like WarioWare/Cooking Mama/Trauma Center are not game changing gameplay. There are hundreds of better games.

Gameplay depends on the actually gameplay of the game, not just the controller. The Wii also has bad graphics.

Gameplay is definitely more important than graphics, but its not like the all other consoles other than the Wii have no gameplay. You have been playing that gameplay that you have loved before the Wii, and that gameplay will still be good for many years to come.

Tristam22


"The Wii is not new revolutionary gameplay. Games like WarioWare/Cooking Mama/Trauma Center are not game changing gameplay." Having a change of heart from your last post? Maybe because it did not go so well?

You're the one who said in your last post that we couldn't affect you, because you didn't care and yet I can see that your tired "I am tired of fanboys. Especially sheep. Who claim " Gameplay is better than graphics"" and that you're overly generalizing, and assuming. Not only that you're using the general quotes mostly never used by anybody on these forums as a base to actually suppor your argument.

Those games suck. Also The Nintendo DS had already bought that type of gameplay before the Wii did.

Your forgot to put IMO after the "Those games suck" then again its not required, since some people don't agree with you. For example? Some reviewers on gamespot.

Those same reviewers also think TP sucks.

Because a score of "8.8" sucks doesn't it? Just ignore that "GREAT" underneath the numerical score.

Yeah and PDZ was better than TP... And Call of Duty 3 on the Wii was a "good game"
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[QUOTE="StealthSting"][QUOTE="The_Nemacyst"][QUOTE="StealthSting"][QUOTE="The_Nemacyst"]

I am tired of fanboys. Especially sheep. Who claim " Gameplay is better than graphics"

But before you flame, read my whole post.

Fanboys usually have retarded reasons why gameplay is better than graphics.. Like

"LoLz, if you think gameplay is worser than graphics, then go watch a movie because that has good graphics.."

My comeback? "Well, if you have no graphics whatsoever, enjoy playing Zelda when your screen is black"

I also hate it how sheep act as if the Wii makes the gameplay better than the other consoles. The gameplay is the same. It's not like Xbox360/PS3 = Only graphics.

The Xbox360/PS3 = Next generation graphics, plus gameplay that we all love since last gen. I mean, I hate it how sheep hate games without motion sensing, when less than 2-3 years ago they were loving Resident Evil 4, SSBM etc.

The Wii is not new revolutionary gameplay. Games like WarioWare/Cooking Mama/Trauma Center are not game changing gameplay. There are hundreds of better games.

Gameplay depends on the actually gameplay of the game, not just the controller. The Wii also has bad graphics.

Gameplay is definitely more important than graphics, but its not like the all other consoles other than the Wii have no gameplay. You have been playing that gameplay that you have loved before the Wii, and that gameplay will still be good for many years to come.

The_Nemacyst


"The Wii is not new revolutionary gameplay. Games like WarioWare/Cooking Mama/Trauma Center are not game changing gameplay." Having a change of heart from your last post? Maybe because it did not go so well?

You're the one who said in your last post that we couldn't affect you, because you didn't care and yet I can see that your tired "I am tired of fanboys. Especially sheep. Who claim " Gameplay is better than graphics"" and that you're overly generalizing, and assuming. Not only that you're using the general quotes mostly never used by anybody on these forums as a base to actually suppor your argument.

Those games suck. Also The Nintendo DS had already bought that type of gameplay before the Wii did.

Your forgot to put IMO after the "Those games suck" then again its not required, since some people don't agree with you. For example? Some reviewers on gamespot.

Those same reviewers also think TP sucks.

Even if that was true if I were to hold their opinion agains't them, I would be doing the exact same thing you're doing with your topic.
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Also, the Xbox360/PS3 can have good art styles in 1080p. The Wii does not have good graphics in both 3d visuals and art styles.. Games from the PS2 are beating the Wii in graphics from both ART and 3d.The_Nemacyst
In your opinion. I find Twilight Princess and Sonic and the Secret Rings to be graphically superior to any PS2 game I've ever seen, in terms of technological proficiency and art style. Other games have art styles the likes of which are near impossible to beat. Games like WarioWare, Rayman, and Trauma Center all ooze with stylistic brilliance that leaves me awed. Hell, even Red Steel is worth mentioning. The Rabbit level is one of the best uses of atmosphere I've seen in gaming.
New movements, but that doesn't really matter. Get this, if you are really concentrating on the game itself YOU ARE NOT GOING TO PAY ATTENTION TO YOUR MOVMENTS. They will be a side thing, while the gameplay inside the gameitself is the main thing. Imagine this, you are fiddling with a new controller with controls you don't know how to use on the PS3. At first, whatever button you press you look at it since you are new to it and aren't use to it. But once you get used to it, it becomes a 2nd thing, and you concentrate on the game itself rather than on the controls.The_Nemacyst
You pay attention to movements like you pay attention to what button you're pressing. You're well conscious of it at first, and then as you get used to it, it becomes more subconscious. Even so, it does provide an extra level of immersion when done right. And that extra level of immersion can provide incredible amounts of fun. For example, Zelda. I found the sword fight against Gannondorf at the end significantly more intense because I had to time my actual swings instead of just when to push B. And that extra level of involvement, that extra level of effort invested into it made victory much more rewarding.
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#45 The_Nemacyst
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[QUOTE="The_Nemacyst"]Since when you do play your PC and always pay attention to what buttons you press?Kev_Unreal

Jet Sim games, noob.:|

There are people that play DDR (Dance Dance Revolution) and think about what comes up next and looks at their feet for the controls... Then they are the people who are too into the game to look at their feet and only pay attention to what's on the screen.
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#46 Tristam22
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[QUOTE="Tristam22"][QUOTE="The_Nemacyst"]

The wii graphics are crap. Nintendo wanted to make a profit unlike Sony or Microsoft (whom basically lost profits for their fans)

So they didn't make good hardware.

The_Nemacyst
LOL. Don't you know what a business model is? Microsoft and Sony put so much money into their consoles because they thought they could gain more marketshare through superior graphics. LOL. "Lost profits for their fans"? Are you thirteen or something? Yeah I'm sure Kutaragi was sitting in bed at night thinking "I must make my fans happy...I must create a system capable of rendering objects in 4D..." And Bill Gates? Oh yeah, I'm sure that Xenon was designed to make fans "happy" and not sell the console. The quality of your posts has really gone downhill lately.

The MORE consoles they sell the MORE AT LOST THEY ARE. They are doing it for their fans.

Man, I've bust a gut laughing. The more consoles they SELL the more at a loss they are? The more consoles they SELL the more revenue they accrue. The more consoles they MANUFACTURE during the first year or so of the console's life (by the way, Microsoft has been profiting off of the Premium for a while now...whoops, there goes the argument) the more at a loss they are FOR THAT TIME SPAN. Every manufacturer simply wants to pull the same marketshare that Nintendo had during the NES era. "For their fans." This again? Christ, I'm not even a cynic, but this is ridiculous. You know that the business model in the video game console market has ALWAYS been to improve graphics with a price you can get away with (Sony clearly forgot the latter)? Was every corporation doing it for their fans? Or did they do it because they were corporations?
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[QUOTE="Tristam22"][QUOTE="The_Nemacyst"][QUOTE="StealthSting"][QUOTE="The_Nemacyst"][QUOTE="StealthSting"][QUOTE="The_Nemacyst"]

I am tired of fanboys. Especially sheep. Who claim " Gameplay is better than graphics"

But before you flame, read my whole post.

Fanboys usually have retarded reasons why gameplay is better than graphics.. Like

"LoLz, if you think gameplay is worser than graphics, then go watch a movie because that has good graphics.."

My comeback? "Well, if you have no graphics whatsoever, enjoy playing Zelda when your screen is black"

I also hate it how sheep act as if the Wii makes the gameplay better than the other consoles. The gameplay is the same. It's not like Xbox360/PS3 = Only graphics.

The Xbox360/PS3 = Next generation graphics, plus gameplay that we all love since last gen. I mean, I hate it how sheep hate games without motion sensing, when less than 2-3 years ago they were loving Resident Evil 4, SSBM etc.

The Wii is not new revolutionary gameplay. Games like WarioWare/Cooking Mama/Trauma Center are not game changing gameplay. There are hundreds of better games.

Gameplay depends on the actually gameplay of the game, not just the controller. The Wii also has bad graphics.

Gameplay is definitely more important than graphics, but its not like the all other consoles other than the Wii have no gameplay. You have been playing that gameplay that you have loved before the Wii, and that gameplay will still be good for many years to come.

The_Nemacyst


"The Wii is not new revolutionary gameplay. Games like WarioWare/Cooking Mama/Trauma Center are not game changing gameplay." Having a change of heart from your last post? Maybe because it did not go so well?

You're the one who said in your last post that we couldn't affect you, because you didn't care and yet I can see that your tired "I am tired of fanboys. Especially sheep. Who claim " Gameplay is better than graphics"" and that you're overly generalizing, and assuming. Not only that you're using the general quotes mostly never used by anybody on these forums as a base to actually suppor your argument.

Those games suck. Also The Nintendo DS had already bought that type of gameplay before the Wii did.

Your forgot to put IMO after the "Those games suck" then again its not required, since some people don't agree with you. For example? Some reviewers on gamespot.

Those same reviewers also think TP sucks.

Because a score of "8.8" sucks doesn't it? Just ignore that "GREAT" underneath the numerical score.

Yeah and PDZ was better than TP... And Call of Duty 3 on the Wii was a "good game"



... 8.8 is higher then anything on the PS3...
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[QUOTE="The_Nemacyst"][QUOTE="MaTT2011"][QUOTE="The_Nemacyst"][QUOTE="MaTT2011"]You guys always take things to unreasonable extremes. People who believe the Gameplay>>>>Graphics philosophy to be true, on various levels, are NOT suggesting that we can do entirely without graphics! What would make you think that? To suggest that we would rather play a black screen is ridiculous on so many levels; you cant possibly be serious. "Gameplay depends on the actually gameplay of the game, not just the controller. The Wii also has bad graphics." sigh. A player is able to ACCESS gameplay THROUGH the controls! thats the primary means of gameplay! Play=doing something. The controller has MOST to do with user end gameplay. Your post REEKS of illogical argumentation. Do you know what the strawman fallacy is? Because you committed it quite a bit. Not to mention using a slippery slope argument , "Well then have fun staring at a black screen!" I suggest you think before posting, son, it will help.

Since when you do play your PC and always pay attention to what buttons you press?

Are you seriously trying to suggest that when people play video games they dont think about what they are doing? If yes; LMFAO. That would have to be the most ridiculous thing ever proposed. How else are you supposed to learn how to play a game? You have to know what to push and when; what circumstances require certain actions and which require others? You have to know what to do, know what buttons to push, in order to play a game. Please tell me you arent serious...

Got to be kidding me, so you are telling me you have never been extremely into a game where you don't press a button without having to think about it? So every time you play Halo 2 or say, and when you want to jump for example.. do you ask yourself "I need to jump over there" or do you ask yourself "I need to jump over there, wheres the A button?"

Things dont happen by accident; when a human reacts to conditions in a video game there is a reaction in the brain, thought, which guides us to certain action. It could be split second, it could be complex; either way the human brain is active and thinking. So yah, if i do need to jump my brain assesses the circumstance, presents possible options (like jumping) and then instructs my hands to perform the required action. Its not as though this takes an immense amount of time, like i said it could be split second. You do, despite your suggestion, ask yourself "wheres the A button and where is it in relation to the current location of my thumb" and you then act based upon the conclusions you reach through these thought process's. Nothing happens by accident; a human thumb doesnt push a button unless we instruct it to. Thought IS required to play games!
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#49 The_Nemacyst
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[QUOTE="The_Nemacyst"]Also, the Xbox360/PS3 can have good art styles in 1080p. The Wii does not have good graphics in both 3d visuals and art styles.. Games from the PS2 are beating the Wii in graphics from both ART and 3d.Hoffgod
In your opinion. I find Twilight Princess and Sonic and the Secret Rings to be graphically superior to any PS2 game I've ever seen, in terms of technological proficiency and art style. Other games have art styles the likes of which are near impossible to beat. Games like WarioWare, Rayman, and Trauma Center all ooze with stylistic brilliance that leaves me awed. Hell, even Red Steel is worth mentioning. The Rabbit level is one of the best uses of atmosphere I've seen in gaming.
New movements, but that doesn't really matter. Get this, if you are really concentrating on the game itself YOU ARE NOT GOING TO PAY ATTENTION TO YOUR MOVMENTS. They will be a side thing, while the gameplay inside the gameitself is the main thing. Imagine this, you are fiddling with a new controller with controls you don't know how to use on the PS3. At first, whatever button you press you look at it since you are new to it and aren't use to it. But once you get used to it, it becomes a 2nd thing, and you concentrate on the game itself rather than on the controls.The_Nemacyst
You pay attention to movements like you pay attention to what button you're pressing. You're well conscious of it at first, and then as you get used to it, it becomes more subconscious. Even so, it does provide an extra level of immersion when done right. And that extra level of immersion can provide incredible amounts of fun. For example, Zelda. I found the sword fight against Gannondorf at the end significantly more intense because I had to time my actual swings instead of just when to push B. And that extra level of involvement, that extra level of effort invested into it made victory much more rewarding.

God of War 2 looks better than anything on the Wii, and Okami looks more artistic. And to your 2nd point, maybe its just me. But when I was playing Tennis and Boxing in Wii sports, I didn't even pay attention to what my hands were doing, I was just too into the game to have fun with moving around.
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[QUOTE="Tristam22"][QUOTE="The_Nemacyst"]

The wii graphics are crap. Nintendo wanted to make a profit unlike Sony or Microsoft (whom basically lost profits for their fans)

So they didn't make good hardware.

The_Nemacyst
LOL. Don't you know what a business model is? Microsoft and Sony put so much money into their consoles because they thought they could gain more marketshare through superior graphics. LOL. "Lost profits for their fans"? Are you thirteen or something? Yeah I'm sure Kutaragi was sitting in bed at night thinking "I must make my fans happy...I must create a system capable of rendering objects in 4D..." And Bill Gates? Oh yeah, I'm sure that Xenon was designed to make fans "happy" and not sell the console. The quality of your posts has really gone downhill lately.

The MORE consoles they sell the MORE AT LOST THEY ARE. They are doing it for their fans.

Wrong. They do it to make money. That's the goal. The different companies have different business models. Nintendo is purely a gaming company, so they can't afford to lose money on their sole point of business. Therefore, they aim to be profitable from day 1. By contrast, Sony and Microsoft are aiming to sell at a loss to get people to buy their consoles, at which point they'll buy games. It's by buying games and accessories that the loss is made up, by licensing fees on games and the profits off of accessories. Sony pulled it off very well last gen, but not so well this gen. Microsoft made some stupid decisions when deciding how the Xbox would be manufactured, so they didn't make anything last gen, but that was an investment in establishing a brandname and userbase. This gen they're pulling off what Sony did so well last gen. However, it's clearly a more volitile and risky plan, so clearly a limited company like Nintendo avoids it. Then again, given your previous statements, you seem to fail to understand that the purposes of businesses are to make money by serving a want or need of the people, and to profit from selling the desired good or service. Perhaps we should start there.