Enjoy that good gameplay? It wont be ANYTHING without graphics.

Someone got their topic all jumbled.. lol

At least, in my view its mixed up.

I'm sure it has been said, but you could have the most amazing looking game in the world.. and if it plays horribly, it will BE horrible. Anyone that disagrees, quite honestly, is an idiot.. or just looks at their games while someone else plays for them.. er somethin'.

The wii graphics are crap. Nintendo wanted to make a profit unlike Sony or Microsoft (whom basically lost profits for their fans)

So they didn't make good hardware.

The_Nemacyst

This is an good example, of how art can really express better than realism.

But what do I know?

The_Nemacyst

[QUOTE="The_Nemacyst"]

The wii graphics are crap. Nintendo wanted to make a profit unlike Sony or Microsoft (whom basically lost profits for their fans)

So they didn't make good hardware.

Axel_rocks14

Well said. Nintendo is the very definition of why graphics do NOT matter most.

The Wii and DS, although I only own the latter, both have got my family playing videogames.. even those that I would NEVER think to play a game in their lifetimes.. namely my mom, grandparents and my 91 year old great grandmother. She kicks my ass in both golf and boxing, go figure.

At any rate, I'm not going to be mean or anything.. or de-value other's opinions, as I wouldn't want that done to me, but I just detest those that think graphics are everything.. cuz like "WHOA man, the 360 has the bestest GRAFX, insta-win for this generation, ch'yeah. 360=1337."

But where's the unique games like Okami or the unique ways of playing games like with the Wiimote and stylus?

I am tired of fanboys. Especially sheep. Who claim " Gameplay is better than graphics"

But before you flame, read my whole post.

Fanboys usually have retarded reasons why gameplay is better than graphics.. Like

"LoLz, if you think gameplay is worser than graphics, then go watch a movie because that has good graphics.."

My comeback? "Well, if you have no graphics whatsoever, enjoy playing Zelda when your screen is black"

I also hate it how sheep act as if the Wii makes the gameplay better than the other consoles. The gameplay is the same. It's not like Xbox360/PS3 = Only graphics.

The Xbox360/PS3 = Next generation graphics, plus gameplay that we all love since last gen. I mean, I hate it how sheep hate games without motion sensing, when less than 2-3 years ago they were loving Resident Evil 4, SSBM etc.

The Wii is not new revolutionary gameplay. Games like WarioWare/Cooking Mama/Trauma Center are not game changing gameplay. There are hundreds of better games.

Gameplay depends on the actually gameplay of the game, not just the controller. The Wii also has bad graphics.

Gameplay is definitely more important than graphics, but its not like the all other consoles other than the Wii have no gameplay. You have been playing that gameplay that you have loved before the Wii, and that gameplay will still be good for many years to come.

The_Nemacyst

I am tired of fanboys. Especially sheep. Who claim " Gameplay is better than graphics"

But before you flame, read my whole post.

Fanboys usually have retarded reasons why gameplay is better than graphics.. Like

"LoLz, if you think gameplay is worser than graphics, then go watch a movie because that has good graphics.."

My comeback? "Well, if you have no graphics whatsoever, enjoy playing Zelda when your screen is black"

I also hate it how sheep act as if the Wii makes the gameplay better than the other consoles. The gameplay is the same. It's not like Xbox360/PS3 = Only graphics.

The Xbox360/PS3 = Next generation graphics, plus gameplay that we all love since last gen. I mean, I hate it how sheep hate games without motion sensing, when less than 2-3 years ago they were loving Resident Evil 4, SSBM etc.

The Wii is not new revolutionary gameplay. Games like WarioWare/Cooking Mama/Trauma Center are not game changing gameplay. There are hundreds of better games.

Gameplay depends on the actually gameplay of the game, not just the controller. The Wii also has bad graphics.

Gameplay is definitely more important than graphics, but its not like the all other consoles other than the Wii have no gameplay. You have been playing that gameplay that you have loved before the Wii, and that gameplay will still be good for many years to come.

The_Nemacyst

I could still enjoy playing NES(20 years old) games and PC(Now/today) games at the same time.:P Kev_Unreal

Let's see...what could I dig up from this thread?

TC says something like:

Sheep: "O YA!? HAVE FUN WATCHING A MOVIE!"

TC: " O YA!? HAVE FUN LOOKING AT A BLANK SCREEN!"

Well, considering that games are supposed to have gameplay in the first place, that point is blown off. However, the player at least also has to be able to see otherwise they can't play in the first place which is why a game needs both to be a game at all, no matter how bad. 

This is something everyone should agree on though:

A game with good gameplay but bad graphics sucks.  A game with bad gameplay but good graphics sucks even more. A game with both good gameplay and graphics rocks.

TC says something like:

Sheep: "Nintendo needs to profit because they're only a gaming company!"

TC: "Microsoft and Sony are losing money because they're not greedy!"

The problem is that if companies kept on losing money, they'd go bankrupt and then everyone would be sad when the PS4/XBox720 don't come. Everybody loses.

Companies get money which makes them happy while consumers get products which make them happy. It's a win win situation.

TC says something like:

TC: "Graphics in art will exceed realism!" "I wish more movies look like 300 because I like 300's art!"

Graphics in art can never touch realism since art is supposed to portray realism in a different way. If it touches realism, then art is no longer art because we've seen it countless times. It's no longer unique. Being unique is what makes movies like Star Wars, The Lord of The Rings, and The Matrix awesome.

I really hope you're being a fakeboy for your own good.

[QUOTE="Kenshi_is_god"][QUOTE="The_Nemacyst"][QUOTE="Kenshi_is_god"][QUOTE="The_Nemacyst"][QUOTE="rowzzr"][QUOTE="The_Nemacyst"]

The wii graphics are crap. Nintendo wanted to make a profit unlike Sony or Microsoft (whom basically lost profits for their fans)

So they didn't make good hardware.

The_Nemacyst

uhh that's dumb. of course they wanted profits, duh? would you create a company simply to lose money?
sony MS lost money for their fans? nope, that's not what they had in mind, dude. they lost money because they made wrong marketing/business/whatever moves.

If they wanted to make a big of a profit as Nintendo, then they would have never released their consoles with superior graphics in the first place?

You know nothing. Sony and Microsoft have business other than gaming, this loss is not that much. They believe that gaming is a investment for the future, or so I heard.

Anyways, SMG looks like crap. It won't look like that either, Wii is not in HD, yet the screenshots are.. Why?
You have to look at it this way, Kameo is NOT a 1st party game and yet it looks better than any Wii game as of now, and probably in the future. If you think giving the Wii time makes it a lot better, imagine the Xbox360 and PS3 with time. They are very potential consoles.

I know nothing eh?
First off, just because they can fall back on other divisions, does not mean they are happy to take a loss for you. You need to learn your business before you argue it.
Second, Kameo was worked on by Rare and MGS, therefore it is a first party title. You can argue its a second party title, but they are pretty much one in the same, being that that company would be owned by the first party title maker, they would have the same tools and help available.
Third off. SMG does not look like crap, and no those screens arent in HD, are you mentally retarded? apparently so. Notice how I say vids and you say screen shots. Watch a vid, it looks great in motion, but it's okay, I know you'll replace the word videos with screens, because you know you're wrong.
Obviously every console will evolve in time. IM not saying they will look better than 360 and ps3, find to me where i said that.
I said you're saying its bad with either no reason or terrible reasons(im beginning to get sick of reading your posts, thats how terrible they are), and you continue to deny you are wrong that with time they will look good, and it's even been proven by some game videos.

It's 1 AM. go ahead and report me for calling you retarded, I don't care, because I really think you must be. The only redemption you have right now is that you have maddox in your sig. again, it's 1 AM, im going to bed. later

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I didn't call you a retard I said you know nothing because you were blatantly handing out false facts.

http://www.gamespot.com/xbox360/action/kameoelementsofpower/tech_info.html?om_act=convert&om_clk=gssummary

Note how it says "Publisher Microsoft Gaming Studios"

"Developer: Rare"

Anyways, Microsoft is taking in a loss because they can afford it. I simply stated their gaming division was losing money, I never said "Microsoft as a whole is in debt because they love their fans"

Super Mario Galaxy looks like crap.
1) Perfect Dark Zero looks better than it
2) The developer screenshots were in HD
3) Jaggie land

graphic whores will kill the indusrty, i hope your happy tc, youre leading the charge against the demise of videogames :(

Seriously, wii haters have been in full damage control ever since ndp numbers came in and nintendo cleaned house

sexy_luigi

The wii graphics are crap. Nintendo wanted to make a profit unlike Sony or Microsoft (whom basically lost profits for their fans)

So they didn't make good hardware.

The_Nemacyst

this right here is when i decided i would stop reading your retarted drivel... i am sure sony and microsoft want to loose money... i am sure their shareholders really want them to do this also...  as a matter of fact i remember bill gates saying he wants to see how fast they can bankrupt the company...

all corperations are about making money.  you grew up in a capatalist society you should atleast have that figured out by now.

Let's see...what could I dig up from this thread?

TC says something like:

Sheep: "O YA!? HAVE FUN WATCHING A MOVIE!"

TC: " O YA!? HAVE FUN LOOKING AT A BLANK SCREEN!"

Well, considering that games are supposed to have gameplay in the first place, that point is blown off. However, the player at least also has to be able to see otherwise they can't play in the first place which is why a game needs both to be a game at all, no matter how bad. 

This is something everyone should agree on though:

A game with good gameplay but bad graphics sucks.  A game with bad gameplay but good graphics sucks even more. A game with both good gameplay and graphics rocks.

TC says something like:

Sheep: "Nintendo needs to profit because they're only a gaming company!"

TC: "Microsoft and Sony are losing money because they're not greedy!"

The problem is that if companies kept on losing money, they'd go bankrupt and then everyone would be sad when the PS4/XBox720 don't come. Everybody loses.

Companies get money which makes them happy while consumers get products which make them happy. It's a win win situation.

TC says something like:

TC: "Graphics in art will exceed realism!" "I wish more movies look like 300 because I like 300's art!"

Graphics in art can never touch realism since art is supposed to portray realism in a different way. If it touches realism, then art is no longer art because we've seen it countless times. It's no longer unique. Being unique is what makes movies like Star Wars, The Lord of The Rings, and The Matrix awesome.

I really hope you're being a fakeboy for your own good.

Technoweirdo

[QUOTE="The_Nemacyst"]

I am tired of fanboys. Especially sheep. Who claim " Gameplay is better than graphics"

But before you flame, read my whole post.

Fanboys usually have retarded reasons why gameplay is better than graphics.. Like

"LoLz, if you think gameplay is worser than graphics, then go watch a movie.."

My comeback? "Well, if you have no graphics whatsoever, enjoy playing Zelda when your screen is off"

I also hate it how sheep act as if the Wii makes the gameplay better than the other consoles. The gameplay is the same. It's not like Xbox360/PS3 = Only graphics.

The Xbox360/PS3 = Next generation graphics, plus gameplay that we all love since last gen. I mean, I hate it how sheep hate games without motion sensing, when less than 2-3 years ago they were loving Resident Evil 4, SSBM etc.

The Wii is not new revolutionary gameplay. Games like WarioWare/Cooking Mama/Trauma Center are not game changing gameplay. There are hundreds of better games.

Gameplay depends on the actually gameplay of the game, not just the controller. The Wii also has bad graphics.

GundamGuy0

The Wii does have graphic issues though. COD3 is comparable to an N64 title.chester706

[QUOTE="The_Nemacyst"]

I am tired of fanboys. Especially sheep. Who claim " Gameplay is better than graphics"

But before you flame, read my whole post.

Fanboys usually have retarded reasons why gameplay is better than graphics.. Like

"LoLz, if you think gameplay is worser than graphics, then go watch a movie because that has good graphics.."

My comeback? "Well, if you have no graphics whatsoever, enjoy playing Zelda when your screen is black"

I also hate it how sheep act as if the Wii makes the gameplay better than the other consoles. The gameplay is the same. It's not like Xbox360/PS3 = Only graphics.

The Xbox360/PS3 = Next generation graphics, plus gameplay that we all love since last gen. I mean, I hate it how sheep hate games without motion sensing, when less than 2-3 years ago they were loving Resident Evil 4, SSBM etc.

The Wii is not new revolutionary gameplay. Games like WarioWare/Cooking Mama/Trauma Center are not game changing gameplay. There are hundreds of better games.

Gameplay depends on the actually gameplay of the game, not just the controller. The Wii also has bad graphics.

Gameplay is definitely more important than graphics, but its not like the all other consoles other than the Wii have no gameplay. You have been playing that gameplay that you have loved before the Wii, and that gameplay will still be good for many years to come.

ROCKBO

 Dumbest Statement Ever is exactly right. Plus, the controller is part of the gameplay. And did a Nintendo system shock you when you were little, because you dont seem to like Nintendo very much.

I am tired of fanboys. Especially sheep. Who claim "Gameplay is better than graphics"

But before you flame, read my whole post.

Fanboys usually have retarded reasons why gameplay is better than graphics.. Like

"LoLz, if you think gameplay is worser than graphics, then go watch a movie because that has good graphics.."

My comeback? "Well, if you have no graphics whatsoever, enjoy playing Zelda when your screen is black"

I also hate it how sheep act as if the Wii makes the gameplay better than the other consoles. The gameplay is the same. It's not like Xbox360/PS3 = Only graphics.

The Xbox360/PS3 = Next generation graphics, plus gameplay that we all love since last gen. I mean, I hate it how sheep hate games without motion sensing, when less than 2-3 years ago they were loving Resident Evil 4, SSBM etc.

The Wii is not new revolutionary gameplay. Games like WarioWare/Cooking Mama/Trauma Center are not game changing gameplay. There are hundreds of better games.

Gameplay depends on the actually gameplay of the game, not just the controller. The Wii also has bad graphics.

Gameplay is definitely more important than graphics, but its not like the all other consoles other than the Wii have no gameplay. You have been playing that gameplay that you have loved before the Wii, and that gameplay will still be good for many years to come.

The_Nemacyst

You need complementary qualities in a console. Having gameplay or graphics alone is nothing. Also the Wii isn't really changing gameplay like some imply.It's just turning button presses into wrist flicks.

trolling the wrong console.

I am tired of fanboys. Especially sheep. Who claim "Gameplay is better than graphics"

But before you flame, read my whole post.

Fanboys usually have retarded reasons why gameplay is better than graphics.. Like

"LoLz, if you think gameplay is worser than graphics, then go watch a movie because that has good graphics.."

My comeback? "Well, if you have no graphics whatsoever, enjoy playing Zelda when your screen is black"

I also hate it how sheep act as if the Wii makes the gameplay better than the other consoles. The gameplay is the same. It's not like Xbox360/PS3 = Only graphics.

The Xbox360/PS3 = Next generation graphics, plus gameplay that we all love since last gen. I mean, I hate it how sheep hate games without motion sensing, when less than 2-3 years ago they were loving Resident Evil 4, SSBM etc.

The Wii is not new revolutionary gameplay. Games like WarioWare/Cooking Mama/Trauma Center are not game changing gameplay. There are hundreds of better games.

Gameplay depends on the actually gameplay of the game, not just the controller. The Wii also has bad graphics.

Gameplay is definitely more important than graphics, but its not like the all other consoles other than the Wii have no gameplay. You have been playing that gameplay that you have loved before the Wii, and that gameplay will still be good for many years to come.

The_Nemacyst

No it cows who started the whole thing last gen :|

Thats a true. you want a gameplay thats great than better grapchis that a gamepaly Etc story dosent make sense.

b3. i wouldnt be talking about fanboys here since you sound just like them with that part :o

b4. no its not you have a diffrent kind of control and even reviews say its hard to get back to a normal control.

b5. i would play it before you say anything else. cooking mama wasnt suppose to be challeging. wario ware depands how good your are.

b.6 it changes gameplay

b7. thats Opioion nothing more nothing else dont pass it as a fact

b8. hmm all you posted than you go back here. yea alright

b9. no one said it wouldnt

[QUOTE="GundamGuy0"][QUOTE="The_Nemacyst"]

I am tired of fanboys. Especially sheep. Who claim " Gameplay is better than graphics"

But before you flame, read my whole post.

Fanboys usually have retarded reasons why gameplay is better than graphics.. Like

"LoLz, if you think gameplay is worser than graphics, then go watch a movie.."

My comeback? "Well, if you have no graphics whatsoever, enjoy playing Zelda when your screen is off"

I also hate it how sheep act as if the Wii makes the gameplay better than the other consoles. The gameplay is the same. It's not like Xbox360/PS3 = Only graphics.

The Xbox360/PS3 = Next generation graphics, plus gameplay that we all love since last gen. I mean, I hate it how sheep hate games without motion sensing, when less than 2-3 years ago they were loving Resident Evil 4, SSBM etc.

The Wii is not new revolutionary gameplay. Games like WarioWare/Cooking Mama/Trauma Center are not game changing gameplay. There are hundreds of better games.

Gameplay depends on the actually gameplay of the game, not just the controller. The Wii also has bad graphics.

IQ138

If graphics weren't important Nintendo wouldn't have made the Gamecube after the N64. Why was it needed if graphics don't matter?, graphics do matter, sheeples just won't admit it because Wii games look amazingly bad even by Xbox standards.

If graphics weren't important Nintendo wouldn't have made the Gamecube after the N64. Why was it needed if graphics don't matter?, graphics do matter, sheeples just won't admit it because Wii games look amazingly bad even by Xbox standards.

NickJayD

the whole stupid grapchis crap started when cows said

"gameplay is better than grapchis "

sheep say grapchis dont matter NOT AS MUCH AS GAMEPLAY!

and if you guys acutally bought them than MAYBE wii would be as powerful

AND GRAPCHIS

[QUOTE="GundamGuy0"][QUOTE="The_Nemacyst"]

I am tired of fanboys. Especially sheep. Who claim " Gameplay is better than graphics"

But before you flame, read my whole post.

Fanboys usually have retarded reasons why gameplay is better than graphics.. Like

"LoLz, if you think gameplay is worser than graphics, then go watch a movie.."

My comeback? "Well, if you have no graphics whatsoever, enjoy playing Zelda when your screen is off"

I also hate it how sheep act as if the Wii makes the gameplay better than the other consoles. The gameplay is the same. It's not like Xbox360/PS3 = Only graphics.

The Xbox360/PS3 = Next generation graphics, plus gameplay that we all love since last gen. I mean, I hate it how sheep hate games without motion sensing, when less than 2-3 years ago they were loving Resident Evil 4, SSBM etc.

The Wii is not new revolutionary gameplay. Games like WarioWare/Cooking Mama/Trauma Center are not game changing gameplay. There are hundreds of better games.

Gameplay depends on the actually gameplay of the game, not just the controller. The Wii also has bad graphics.

The_Nemacyst

In order, respectively:

1. Half Life 2

2. Diablo....lawl, 1996

3. Donkey Kong Country. Don't tell me that wasn't revolutionary.

4. Devil May Cry.

graphic whores will kill the indusrty, i hope your happy tc, youre leading the charge against the demise of videogames :(

Seriously, wii haters have been in full damage control ever since ndp numbers came in and nintendo cleaned house

sexy_luigi

I just got my hands on Fallout 1/2, Baldurs Gate II (+ToB), PS:Tm NWN, KOTOR, KOTOR II...

Graphics are dated (except for KOTOR II, which are.. descent) yet I am enjoying these games more than any of my 360 games. As for any of the new PC games (Thief 3 was fun though).

Graphics don't make a game, but it sure is a bonus.

Wii it's not about gameplay,it's not aboutgraphics either, it is about 15 mins of fun.

graphic whores will kill the indusrty, i hope your happy tc, youre leading the charge against the demise of videogames :(

Seriously, wii haters have been in full damage control ever since ndp numbers came in and nintendo cleaned house

sexy_luigi

HAAHHA

if anything will kill the industry it's the wii with its constant rehashes, and versions of the same franchises over and over, and casual shovel ware

and trash graphics on the side.

[QUOTE="sexy_luigi"]

graphic whores will kill the indusrty, i hope your happy tc, youre leading the charge against the demise of videogames :(

Seriously, wii haters have been in full damage control ever since ndp numbers came in and nintendo cleaned house

mistervengeance

HAAHHA

if anything will kill the industry it's the wii with its constant rehashes, and versions of the same franchises over and over, and casual shovel ware

and trash graphics on the side.

[QUOTE="sexy_luigi"]

graphic whores will kill the indusrty, i hope your happy tc, youre leading the charge against the demise of videogames :(

Seriously, wii haters have been in full damage control ever since ndp numbers came in and nintendo cleaned house

mistervengeance

HAAHHA

if anything will kill the industry it's the wii with its constant rehashes, and versions of the same franchises over and over, and casual shovel ware

and trash graphics on the side.

You've dug up a thread from 6 months ago to just rehash the arguments in it when they've easily been disproven by the continued success of the Wii over those 6 months.

I wouldn't say graphics are everything, obviously, but I too am tired of people claiming they don't matter - we get it, your system doesn't have graphics that stack up so you feel the need to claim they don't matter, it's cool. To an extent they don't, but having just beat Crysis... I won't say they MAKE the game, but it was the first game that really made me sit back for a second and say wow... It was the first game that almost didn't feel like a game, in ways I really can't explain... Beyond all that, it's a great game, it was also the first time I felt I had to keep going till I beat it (last night), but the graphics do a TON to help immerse you in the world created by the developers. Games like Zelda would UNDOUBTEDLY be better if they had visuals like that - there's no arguing it. I couldn't play a game with poor gameplay, that's true, and in a way that matters more, but as an example, I tried recently to go back and play Deus Ex, a game I never played... and I really couldn't get into it. I hesitate to call myself a graphics whore, but there's simply no denying that games with better graphics are more immersive in my mind... the visuals draw me in, and if it's a good game I'll keep playing.

The wii graphics are crap. Nintendo wanted to make a profit unlike Sony or Microsoft (whom basically lost profits for their fans)

So they didn't make good hardware.

The_Nemacyst

To even imply that Nintendo doesn't make good hardware is laughable.... you could make one hella-big fool of yourself insinuating that Nintendo consoles aren't reliable...

[QUOTE="sexy_luigi"]

graphic whores will kill the indusrty, i hope your happy tc, youre leading the charge against the demise of videogames :(

Seriously, wii haters have been in full damage control ever since ndp numbers came in and nintendo cleaned house

mistervengeance

HAAHHA

if anything will kill the industry it's the wii with its constant rehashes, and versions of the same franchises over and over, and casual shovel ware

and trash graphics on the side.

[QUOTE="sexy_luigi"]

graphic whores will kill the indusrty, i hope your happy tc, youre leading the charge against the demise of videogames :(

Seriously, wii haters have been in full damage control ever since ndp numbers came in and nintendo cleaned house

mistervengeance

HAAHHA

if anything will kill the industry it's the wii with its constant rehashes, and versions of the same franchises over and over, and casual shovel ware

and trash graphics on the side.

I just got my hands on Fallout 1/2, Baldurs Gate II (+ToB), PS:Tm NWN, KOTOR, KOTOR II...

Graphics are dated (except for KOTOR II, which are.. descent) yet I am enjoying these games more than any of my 360 games. As for any of the new PC games (Thief 3 was fun though).

Graphics don't make a game, but it sure is a bonus.

Vfanek

yep... I'm re-visiting KotOR II on xbox and I'm enjoying it much more than Mass Effect ( just finished my first ME play-through today...

[QUOTE="mistervengeance"][QUOTE="sexy_luigi"]

graphic whores will kill the indusrty, i hope your happy tc, youre leading the charge against the demise of videogames :(

Seriously, wii haters have been in full damage control ever since ndp numbers came in and nintendo cleaned house

Silenthps

HAAHHA

if anything will kill the industry it's the wii with its constant rehashes, and versions of the same franchises over and over, and casual shovel ware

and trash graphics on the side.

at least there's variety there.....

with nintendo it's super smash, mario, zelda, metroid, wario, etc....

never anything new, at least this gen

This is a joke of a post. Gameplay will always beter much greater then graphics? Go look at a black screen? No no no. That would be "No Graphics" as in "None"

Gameplay > Graphics and that's a fact on how to build a good game. Maybe you're in the wrong hobby. You only need as much graphics as so they do not become detrimental to the actual gameplay. Thats pretty much it.