Epic is a JOKE as a company

Gears of War is a graphical masterpiece...I'll give them that. But, as a company, Epic has no sense of loyalty to fans or any type of ethics, whatsoever. In fact, I would go on to say that Mark Rein and Cliffy B. are too busy patting themselves on the back for making loads of cash with the Gears of War series to give a damn what anyone has to say about the ridiculously broken multiplayer in Gears of War 2.

If you venture over to the official Epic forums, you will see that the entire site is nothing but complaint thread after complaint thread. Countless people, such as myself, who are fed up with the glitches, broken netcode, etc, that run rampant in the game. It's not like this is new to them. Gears of War is HOW old? The engine is still the same, yet Host Advantage still exists even in the sequel (still no CSHD) and the game is made even worse than Gears of War 1 (which, even with the lag, was a blast to play) due to mismanaged weapons, ridiculous multiplayer modes that don't work (Wingman is a joke) and onscreen tips that don't even follow the game play (i.e. "Getting shot while revving the chainsaw makes you lower it" Yeah...only if the HOST shoots you!).

It's pretty common knowledge that Epic rushed Gears of War 2 out for the holiday season. They finished the single player, and just slapped on the multiplayer and released it. that's why there was no public beta...because if there was, it would have taken ONE SINGLE ONLINE GAME to figure out this game is horribly broken.

They actually released a patch already to help speed up the matchmaking (sometimes would take 10 minutes to find a match). Now you can find a match within seconds or a few minutes. But it causes people to randomly disconnect right when the game starts so most games are now 5v4 or 4v3. Also, there is no region filter so you have people in the UK playing on hosts in the US and just makes the experience laggy for everyone.

So...it's bad enough that Epic releases a BETA and expects people to spend their hard earned money on it. But do they address the issues? Sorta...Mark Rein actually posted a few times on the boards to "address" the public, but he says absolutely nothing of purpose or solidity. He is nothing but a politician, making vague blanket statements like "we are working on the issues..." but never once mentions any specific issue they are working on. Is it matchmaking? Is it the lag? Is it the broken spawn points that make one team always spawn next to the frag grenades and the other team ink EVERY SINGLE ROUND? Is it the broken Wingman mode where you have to cross your fingers and hope you get spawned next to a power weapon (i.e. Mansion where one lucky teams spawns right on top of the boomshot!).

Anyways...so here is Mark Rein, acting like he is doing everyone a favor by speaking to the little people. And what does he do? Start banning people for saying anything even remotely negative about the game. This started because IGN wrote an article about the numerous complaints about GOW2 mp and actually printed a link back to a thread on the forums. Oh boy that's when the banhammer started. I got hit when I agreed with someone who posted a comment stating that he doubted Mark Rein actually played the game more than once online otherwise he'd never have released. I just said I agreed and couldn't understand how Epic could have released the game knowing how broken it was. I was banned with a message that said "I only played this game once on the internet". I exchanged emails with a few of the guys on the forum and found out that the guy who I agreed with was banned with the exact same message. Obviously, the person who did the banning was Mark Rein since the comment was directed at him.

Just shows you the audacity with which Epic works. They release a broken game, take your money, then when you complain about it, they try to silence you. But I will not be silenced. I am making sure everyone I know realizes what kind of company Epic is and if I can get just ONE person to not buy this game (which I actually already have) then I've done my duty as a member of the gaming community.

I'm suprised you didn't mention how they completely abandoned their PC fanbase for a more casual title.HoldThePhone

I'm suprised you didn't mention how they completely abandoned their PC fanbase for a more casual title.HoldThePhone

What's so bad about that?

A company not being happy about people criticizing their game on their own forums? Unthinkable.Skittles_McGee

If someone sold you something that was broken and you knew where they lived, would you not pay a visit to their home and complain?

I'm suprised you didn't mention how they completely abandoned their PC fanbase for a more casual title.HoldThePhone

well when the ps3 version of a game sells more than the pc version then you know somethings up with your pc fanbase

I am making sure everyone I know realizes what kind of company Epic is and if I can get just ONE person to not buy this game (which I actually already have) then I've done my duty as a member of the gaming community.

edward2332

I uh.. uh.. I... good luck with your, uh... ambition.

[QUOTE="Skittles_McGee"]A company not being happy about people criticizing their game on their own forums? Unthinkable.edward2332

If someone sold you something that was broken and you knew where they lived, would you not pay a visit to their home and complain?

[QUOTE="HoldThePhone"]I'm suprised you didn't mention how they completely abandoned their PC fanbase for a more casual title.VendettaRed07

well when the ps3 version of a game sells more than the pc version then you know somethings up with your pc fanbase

[QUOTE="VendettaRed07"]

[QUOTE="HoldThePhone"]I'm suprised you didn't mention how they completely abandoned their PC fanbase for a more casual title.HoldThePhone

well when the ps3 version of a game sells more than the pc version then you know somethings up with your pc fanbase

i personally liked it alot

but the thing was i never played any previous unreal games, so idk i cant really have an opinion on it

i like psn better for 1 reason dedicated servers for first party titles. how in the hell do u guys not get dedicated servers for a game thats sell 3 mil in a day i mean like wtf how greedy is M$.u guys should get them with how much you support that game.claywalker21

[QUOTE="edward2332"]

[QUOTE="Skittles_McGee"]A company not being happy about people criticizing their game on their own forums? Unthinkable.Skittles_McGee

If someone sold you something that was broken and you knew where they lived, would you not pay a visit to their home and complain?

I'm suprised you didn't mention how they completely abandoned their PC fanbase for a more casual title.HoldThePhone

Blog it. And as for him kicking people off do you blame him? Smug remarks get you nowhere in life. If it's such a good game why not play it instead complain over every little thing?jasonheyman

[QUOTE="claywalker21"]i like psn better for 1 reason dedicated servers for first party titles. how in the hell do u guys not get dedicated servers for a game thats sell 3 mil in a day i mean like wtf how greedy is M$.u guys should get them with how much you support that game.Skittles_McGee

C'mon fellas...it's not about dedicated servers. Halo and COD have way more players in a single game than Gears...and they don't use dedicated servers...and they don't lag (expect in extreme circumstances that are honestly quite rare).

One reason...proper netcode along with client side hit detection.

...This is why I wont be playing the game (unless it's horde mode) until there's a better patch. Another thing I dislike about Gears is the community. :? Geez those people are competitive...too competitive,and the trash talking never ends.killab2oo5

Since the latest update... gears2 >> gears 1 for online. Before the latest update, Gears2 online was broken, but its fantastic now!

Gears2 is the games Gears should have been, Its better in every single way.

C'mon fellas...it's not about dedicated servers. Halo and COD have way more players in a single game than Gears...and they don't use dedicated servers...and they don't lag (expect in extreme circumstances that are honestly quite rare).

One reason...proper netcode along with client side hit detection.

edward2332

[QUOTE="Skittles_McGee"][QUOTE="claywalker21"]i like psn better for 1 reason dedicated servers for first party titles. how in the hell do u guys not get dedicated servers for a game thats sell 3 mil in a day i mean like wtf how greedy is M$.u guys should get them with how much you support that game.claywalker21

[QUOTE="HoldThePhone"]I'm suprised you didn't mention how they completely abandoned their PC fanbase for a more casual title.AHUGECAT

What's so bad about that?

Well..I liked Epic more when they made good games.

UT2004 is still my favorite multiplayer game of all time. It's a shame nobody plays it anymore..most of the UT fanbase has actually moved on to other franchises in the wake of the failure known as "UT3" (Most of the people I played UT2004 with moved on to CoD or TF2)

I have no problems with folks like Tim Sweeney..but I've grown sick of CliffyB and Mark Rein.

Gears of War is a graphical masterpiece...I'll give them that. But, as a company, Epic has no sense of loyalty to fans or any type of ethics, whatsoever. In fact, I would go on to say that Mark Rein and Cliffy B. are too busy patting themselves on the back for making loads of cash with the Gears of War series to give a damn what anyone has to say about the ridiculously broken multiplayer in Gears of War 2.

If you venture over to the official Epic forums, you will see that the entire site is nothing but complaint thread after complaint thread. Countless people, such as myself, who are fed up with the glitches, broken netcode, etc, that run rampant in the game. It's not like this is new to them. Gears of War is HOW old? The engine is still the same, yet Host Advantage still exists even in the sequel (still no CSHD) and the game is made even worse than Gears of War 1 (which, even with the lag, was a blast to play) due to mismanaged weapons, ridiculous multiplayer modes that don't work (Wingman is a joke) and onscreen tips that don't even follow the game play (i.e. "Getting shot while revving the chainsaw makes you lower it" Yeah...only if the HOST shoots you!).

It's pretty common knowledge that Epic rushed Gears of War 2 out for the holiday season. They finished the single player, and just slapped on the multiplayer and released it. that's why there was no public beta...because if there was, it would have taken ONE SINGLE ONLINE GAME to figure out this game is horribly broken.

They actually released a patch already to help speed up the matchmaking (sometimes would take 10 minutes to find a match). Now you can find a match within seconds or a few minutes. But it causes people to randomly disconnect right when the game starts so most games are now 5v4 or 4v3. Also, there is no region filter so you have people in the UK playing on hosts in the US and just makes the experience laggy for everyone.

So...it's bad enough that Epic releases a BETA and expects people to spend their hard earned money on it. But do they address the issues? Sorta...Mark Rein actually posted a few times on the boards to "address" the public, but he says absolutely nothing of purpose or solidity. He is nothing but a politician, making vague blanket statements like "we are working on the issues..." but never once mentions any specific issue they are working on. Is it matchmaking? Is it the lag? Is it the broken spawn points that make one team always spawn next to the frag grenades and the other team ink EVERY SINGLE ROUND? Is it the broken Wingman mode where you have to cross your fingers and hope you get spawned next to a power weapon (i.e. Mansion where one lucky teams spawns right on top of the boomshot!).

Anyways...so here is Mark Rein, acting like he is doing everyone a favor by speaking to the little people. And what does he do? Start banning people for saying anything even remotely negative about the game. This started because IGN wrote an article about the numerous complaints about GOW2 mp and actually printed a link back to a thread on the forums. Oh boy that's when the banhammer started. I got hit when I agreed with someone who posted a comment stating that he doubted Mark Rein actually played the game more than once online otherwise he'd never have released. I just said I agreed and couldn't understand how Epic could have released the game knowing how broken it was. I was banned with a message that said "I only played this game once on the internet". I exchanged emails with a few of the guys on the forum and found out that the guy who I agreed with was banned with the exact same message. Obviously, the person who did the banning was Mark Rein since the comment was directed at him.

Just shows you the audacity with which Epic works. They release a broken game, take your money, then when you complain about it, they try to silence you. But I will not be silenced. I am making sure everyone I know realizes what kind of company Epic is and if I can get just ONE person to not buy this game (which I actually already have) then I've done my duty as a member of the gaming community.

[QUOTE="edward2332"]

Gears of War is a graphical masterpiece...I'll give them that. But, as a company, Epic has no sense of loyalty to fans or any type of ethics, whatsoever. In fact, I would go on to say that Mark Rein and Cliffy B. are too busy patting themselves on the back for making loads of cash with the Gears of War series to give a damn what anyone has to say about the ridiculously broken multiplayer in Gears of War 2.

If you venture over to the official Epic forums, you will see that the entire site is nothing but complaint thread after complaint thread. Countless people, such as myself, who are fed up with the glitches, broken netcode, etc, that run rampant in the game. It's not like this is new to them. Gears of War is HOW old? The engine is still the same, yet Host Advantage still exists even in the sequel (still no CSHD) and the game is made even worse than Gears of War 1 (which, even with the lag, was a blast to play) due to mismanaged weapons, ridiculous multiplayer modes that don't work (Wingman is a joke) and onscreen tips that don't even follow the game play (i.e. "Getting shot while revving the chainsaw makes you lower it" Yeah...only if the HOST shoots you!).

It's pretty common knowledge that Epic rushed Gears of War 2 out for the holiday season. They finished the single player, and just slapped on the multiplayer and released it. that's why there was no public beta...because if there was, it would have taken ONE SINGLE ONLINE GAME to figure out this game is horribly broken.

They actually released a patch already to help speed up the matchmaking (sometimes would take 10 minutes to find a match). Now you can find a match within seconds or a few minutes. But it causes people to randomly disconnect right when the game starts so most games are now 5v4 or 4v3. Also, there is no region filter so you have people in the UK playing on hosts in the US and just makes the experience laggy for everyone.

So...it's bad enough that Epic releases a BETA and expects people to spend their hard earned money on it. But do they address the issues? Sorta...Mark Rein actually posted a few times on the boards to "address" the public, but he says absolutely nothing of purpose or solidity. He is nothing but a politician, making vague blanket statements like "we are working on the issues..." but never once mentions any specific issue they are working on. Is it matchmaking? Is it the lag? Is it the broken spawn points that make one team always spawn next to the frag grenades and the other team ink EVERY SINGLE ROUND? Is it the broken Wingman mode where you have to cross your fingers and hope you get spawned next to a power weapon (i.e. Mansion where one lucky teams spawns right on top of the boomshot!).

Anyways...so here is Mark Rein, acting like he is doing everyone a favor by speaking to the little people. And what does he do? Start banning people for saying anything even remotely negative about the game. This started because IGN wrote an article about the numerous complaints about GOW2 mp and actually printed a link back to a thread on the forums. Oh boy that's when the banhammer started. I got hit when I agreed with someone who posted a comment stating that he doubted Mark Rein actually played the game more than once online otherwise he'd never have released. I just said I agreed and couldn't understand how Epic could have released the game knowing how broken it was. I was banned with a message that said "I only played this game once on the internet". I exchanged emails with a few of the guys on the forum and found out that the guy who I agreed with was banned with the exact same message. Obviously, the person who did the banning was Mark Rein since the comment was directed at him.

Just shows you the audacity with which Epic works. They release a broken game, take your money, then when you complain about it, they try to silence you. But I will not be silenced. I am making sure everyone I know realizes what kind of company Epic is and if I can get just ONE person to not buy this game (which I actually already have) then I've done my duty as a member of the gaming community.

Leo-Magic

sheeple usually do that i bought it also but i dont like the mp player at all unless im playing with my friends. Other then that i dont touch the game.

Surprised I read that wall of text that was just full of whining. I hate whiners... rolo107

[QUOTE="killab2oo5"]...This is why I wont be playing the game (unless it's horde mode) until there's a better patch. Another thing I dislike about Gears is the community. :? Geez those people are competitive...too competitive,and the trash talking never ends.jeezers

I'm suprised you didn't mention how they completely abandoned their PC fanbase for a more casual title.HoldThePhone

I honestly dont think its that bad.I'm not saying this as a fanboy,elitest,or a herded epic sheep...but im saying that rather than complaining about it whining like a dog about it,why not figure out ways to get out of the system?i mean hell...im not the brightest tool in the shed, but i know how to evade certain unavoidable moments in gears:if your not feeling confident about downing the chainsaw revver at short distance,pace your self at mid range or long range.see a mortar?you follow that missile in the sky,check out where its gonna land and escape.easy stuff.i find it very sad that people are quick to complain rather than try to get better.LinKuei_warrior

[QUOTE="HoldThePhone"]I'm suprised you didn't mention how they completely abandoned their PC fanbase for a more casual title.coakroach

I can't stand Epic. I can't stand that idiot Cliffy B, and I can't stand their overrated casual shooter crap either. They annoy me more than EA and Activision. GinoNYC

I'm suprised you didn't mention how they completely abandoned their PC fanbase for a more casual title.HoldThePhone

You mean by them basically throwing the Unreal franchise under a bus? Yeah, they're bush league.

[QUOTE="LinKuei_warrior"]I honestly dont think its that bad.I'm not saying this as a fanboy,elitest,or a herded epic sheep...but im saying that rather than complaining about it whining like a dog about it,why not figure out ways to get out of the system?i mean hell...im not the brightest tool in the shed, but i know how to evade certain unavoidable moments in gears:if your not feeling confident about downing the chainsaw revver at short distance,pace your self at mid range or long range.see a mortar?you follow that missile in the sky,check out where its gonna land and escape.easy stuff.i find it very sad that people are quick to complain rather than try to get better.Eyezonmii

And there are definite ways to avoid certain situations. I'm a veteran Gears player, but a lot of crap is just unavoidable :?.

I just tried to play Gears of War 2 online again (I keep telling myself to try and get used to it...maybe it will be better this time)...out of probably 8 games I played, I probably quit 6 of them. 4 due to absolutely horrible lag (over a second from the time I fired my shotgun to when it hit the wall) and the other 2 because the game started 5v3. The other 2, I just kinda bore with it...trying to have fun...but in the end, I was left disappointed once again.