Epic Mickey Could Be The Best Game This Year

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So, what is probably going to be the biggest third party game released for the Wii ever is just about a month away from release, and as we get to know more and more about it, it becomes clear that the game might be poised to become the best game this year. And why not? After all, what else could you expect from a designer as legendary as Spector?

IGN has been exhaustively covering Epic Mickey. Here's some stuff that I thought I should share with you guys:

It might sound counterintuitive, but Disney Interactive'sEpic Mickeyis poised to be one emotional, engrossing affair. This evening, at the 2010 New York Comic-Con,Warren Spectorhosted a packed room and discussed some of the finer points of his – no pun intended – epic game due out November 30.


No doubt you've seen segments ofEpic's lengthy intro video, which reveals that Mickey happens upon a foreign world and accidentally unleashes a creature known as the Phantom Blot. The Blot, after quite a bit of time elapses, overpowers the Wasteland that contained it, and drags Mickey down to the depths of a corrupted, destroyed world full of the forgotten and abandoned Disney characters.

It's here that players will meetOswald the Rabbit, a character that hasn't been seen on a screen since 1928. What's most fascinating here is that Oswald truly was forgotten in the history of animation – he is the "original" Mickey, predating his mouse counterpart by many years, relinquished by Walt Disney after a bitter financial dispute with Universal Studios. Those problems lead to Disney losing the rights to his beloved, successful and silent character. Disney then set about starting from scratch, and along came the mascot we all know.

Spector is taking this genuine history and running with it. In the world ofEpic Mickey, Oswald is the forgotten older brother of Mickey, who has been left in the Wasteland while his sibling takes all of the attention, accolades and love. As Oswald fades from memory, Mickey rises to become known the world over, one of the most recognized fictional entities of all time. Worse yet, Mickey has no idea of his tragic past, one that he will become aware of as the game progresses.

As if the sad story couldn't get any worse, it turns out Oswald is aware of his brother's success, through means that Spector wouldn't elaborate on. Mickey's adventures and friends are the stuff of legend – and envy – for the forgotten rabbit. These depressing thoughts make such an impression on Oswald that he seeks to find some happiness of his own, attempting to (futilely) replicate Mickey's friends for himself as robots. Players will run across some of these warped creations throughout their journey, which Spector says took him about 25 hours to complete his first time through. The legendary game creator noted skilled players would likely finish in closer to 15 hours, but that multiple (three, to be specific) completions would be needed for those that want to collect everything.

The relationship between Mickey and Oswald definesEpic Mickey, and it's this core that propels our hero along his journey to save Wasteland and redeem his sins of ignorance. The game is Spector's love letter to fans of the old school Disney productions, ranging from Oswald's silent animated shorts all the way throughThe Jungle Book, the last production Walt Disney worked on before his death. The true Disney fans will be in for a treat, as the game features all manners of hidden items, ranging from the obvious – e-Tickets as the world's method of currency – to the more obscure – via Hidden Mickeys tucked throughout the corners of Wasteland's various replications of Disneyland.

Of course, no Warren Spector game would truly be complete without the concept of choice, forcing players to commit to actions which affect how their experience unfolds. Spector noted that there were definitely instances of "local change," where consequences would be immediate, as well as "global change" where actions could accumulate into significantly altering entire locales. Spector said the game does track a significant amount of data throughout its lifespan, which no doubt plays out in a variety of ways. The designer wouldn't really discuss how this might affect the ending, but did note the conclusion was indeed massive.

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One thing was made clear by Spector toward the end of the panel – this is his game, and Disney has given him the kind of control he requires. A while back, rumors hit the Internet claiming that Spector had bowed to the pressures of focus testing, changing the designs of Mickey and eliminating the visual alterations to the character that would occur if a player was consistently making antagonistic or "evil" choices. Spector emphatically denied this, saying he would "never change" something because of focus testing. The designer said one of his employees pitched a way to better indicate a player's positon on the "moral spectrum" and the idea was so strong they redid the entire visual element.

No panel could pass without questions about the future. DespiteEpic Mickeybeing almost two months away, fans were still curious what Spector might do next. Does he have ideas for a sequel? The notion almost seemed to amuse Spector, who said there was no shortage of ideas, including the possibility of exploring Disney lore beyondJungle Book. Spector also once again noted he'd love to work on a new installment ofDucktales, which was met with overwhelming support from the crowd.

Stay tuned to IGN for more onEpic Mickey. In just weeks we will witness the sad and forgotten past ofMickey Mouse, and see if he'll be able to save the world – and his relationship with his older brother.IGN

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This is the Spector touch that is shining through again, and it could truly make or break this game.

What do you guys think? How good will Epic Mickey be?

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Won't be better than Galaxy 2. But I'm sure it'll be good.
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#4 dovberg
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It might be Epic...sorry couldn't resist.

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It's good enough to be a day-1 buy
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#6 J-WOW
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probably but I dont think so, too many great games this year
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#7 NoobisMaxcimus
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I really, really don't like the title.
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#8 razgriz_101
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Mines is Demons souls *shrugs* EU didnt get it till June this year....

But that dont count so i be saying it aint gonna be topping MGS:PW.

Dont get me wrong it looks fantastic and the team behind it are good but theres a lot of variables that could still send this to the crapper.

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It might be Epic...sorry couldn't resist.

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Is it sad that it took me a couple of seconds to get it? :( Anyway, game could have been GOTY if it was released in 2009 but this year is just too good.
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[QUOTE="dovberg"]

It might be Epic...sorry couldn't resist.

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Is it sad that it took me a couple of seconds to get it? :( Anyway, game could have been GOTY if it was released in 2009 but this year is just too good.

Yes, but that's my point: it might actually be good enough that it outshines all those other titles released this year :shock:
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I doubt it'll be better than SMG2 but I really think it has potential to be a fantastic game.
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#12 crippled_ram
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I doubt it'll be better than SMG2 but I really think it has potential to be a fantastic game.fabz_95
The thing is, though, SMG2 came out of nowhere. No one was expecting it to be as god as it ultimately turned out to be. That says something: why can't Epic Mickey pull off an SMG2 is what I'm asking here. It might just turn out to be the best game this year, you see.
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That's funny, I could have sworn the hype thread has more people thinking it's AA.... looks like some people are saying one thing and voting another for safety.

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That's funny, I could have sworn the hype thread has more people thinking it's AA.... looks like some people are saying one thing and voting another for safety.

FragTycoon
Nah, I voted AAAE there too, and most people disagree with me- they think it'll be AAE max. It's my job to convince them otherwise, which i, after all, why I created this thread :)
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Lol, judging by the gameplay it will be lucky to get AA

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[QUOTE="FragTycoon"]

That's funny, I could have sworn the hype thread has more people thinking it's AA.... looks like some people are saying one thing and voting another for safety.

crippled_ram

Nah, I voted AAAE there too, and most people disagree with me- they think it'll be AAE max. It's my job to convince them otherwise, which i, after all, why I created this thread :)

Ahhh ok... well good luck.

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Lol, judging by the gameplay it will be lucky to get AA

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Wanna bet? :P
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[QUOTE="crippled_ram"][QUOTE="FragTycoon"]

That's funny, I could have sworn the hype thread has more people thinking it's AA.... looks like some people are saying one thing and voting another for safety.

FragTycoon

Nah, I voted AAAE there too, and most people disagree with me- they think it'll be AAE max. It's my job to convince them otherwise, which i, after all, why I created this thread :)

Ahhh ok... well good luck.

Why thank you, I know it's a lost cause :P
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It could be. I am gonna go out on a limb and say something it won't be: bad. This is one game I am super excited about.

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#20 Half-Way
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That's funny, I could have sworn the hype thread has more people thinking it's AA.... looks like some people are saying one thing and voting another for safety.

FragTycoon

yeah because there where only 7 votes on that hype thread, and all of them posted in this thread

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It could be. I am gonna go out on a limb and say something it won't be: bad. This is one game I am super excited about.

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Who called dibs on the review, K?
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I have inside sources that say otherwise, so I would caution any anticipation till the early reviews hit.

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#23 Kevin-V
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[QUOTE="Kevin-V"]

It could be. I am gonna go out on a limb and say something it won't be: bad. This is one game I am super excited about.

Stevo_the_gamer
Who called dibs on the review, K?

Well, I don't like to give these things away in advance, but it was on one of our top-10-to-review lists that we submit to Justin at the beginning of each year. I have suspicions that the gameplay will be somewhat mundane, but that the game will surpass its drawbacks with an interesting story and presentation, and with variety and pace. My mind classifies it in a similar way to Enslaved, or perhaps Muramasa--not bad company to have.
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so far the game looks like trash and the gameplay videos looks boring. The man ruined the Thief franchise with deadly shadows (ironically, he bailed out during the development of the first Thief game because he thought it was junk) and was responsible for Deus Ex: Invisible War, it would not surprise me if Epic Mickey becomes an epic flop.
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[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"][QUOTE="Kevin-V"]

It could be. I am gonna go out on a limb and say something it won't be: bad. This is one game I am super excited about.

Kevin-V
Who called dibs on the review, K?

Well, I don't like to give these things away in advance, but it was on one of our top-10-to-review lists that we submit to Justin at the beginning of each year. I have suspicions that the gameplay will be somewhat mundane, but that the game will surpass its drawbacks with an interesting story and presentation, and with variety and pace. My mind classifies it in a similar way to Enslaved, or perhaps Muramasa--not bad company to have.

Actually, from what I understand, I think this game is going to be noted for having unremarkable platforming (especially considering the sheer number of great platformers on the Wii), but will be marked up for having a great 'moral system,' and a compelling, genuinely moving story. However, I haven't really had as much time with this game as you guys have, so of course, my opinion on this is to be taken with a pinch of salt, at least as against yours. :) Tell me something, though, I'm curious to know: will there e a launch center for this game? Will Gamespot have its review up on Day One?
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#26 Sollet
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[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"][QUOTE="Kevin-V"]

It could be. I am gonna go out on a limb and say something it won't be: bad. This is one game I am super excited about.

Kevin-V
Who called dibs on the review, K?

Well, I don't like to give these things away in advance, but it was on one of our top-10-to-review lists that we submit to Justin at the beginning of each year. I have suspicions that the gameplay will be somewhat mundane, but that the game will surpass its drawbacks with an interesting story and presentation, and with variety and pace. My mind classifies it in a similar way to Enslaved, or perhaps Muramasa--not bad company to have.

Sounds like a 8.0 :P Wii the AAE king.
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[QUOTE="Kevin-V"][QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]Who called dibs on the review, K?Sollet
Well, I don't like to give these things away in advance, but it was on one of our top-10-to-review lists that we submit to Justin at the beginning of each year. I have suspicions that the gameplay will be somewhat mundane, but that the game will surpass its drawbacks with an interesting story and presentation, and with variety and pace. My mind classifies it in a similar way to Enslaved, or perhaps Muramasa--not bad company to have.

Sounds like a 8.0 :P Wii the AAE king.

Oh, don't be too sure of that yet, my friend. :twisted:
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Looks crap, actually.

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[QUOTE="Kevin-V"][QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]Who called dibs on the review, K?crippled_ram
Well, I don't like to give these things away in advance, but it was on one of our top-10-to-review lists that we submit to Justin at the beginning of each year. I have suspicions that the gameplay will be somewhat mundane, but that the game will surpass its drawbacks with an interesting story and presentation, and with variety and pace. My mind classifies it in a similar way to Enslaved, or perhaps Muramasa--not bad company to have.

Actually, from what I understand, I think this game is going to be noted for having unremarkable platforming (especially considering the sheer number of great platformers on the Wii), but will be marked up for having a great 'moral system,' and a compelling, genuinely moving story. However, I haven't really had as much time with this game as you guys have, so of course, my opinion on this is to be taken with a pinch of salt, at least as against yours. :) Tell me something, though, I'm curious to know: will there e a launch center for this game? Will Gamespot have its review up on Day One?

I don't know the answers to either of those questions. Launch day reviews always, always depend on when we get the code for review. But you basically echo exactly what I said--mundane gameplay wrapped into a great story that elevates the game. That's my guess, anyway. I also really like the way the game looks. As for the post above you, Deadly Shadows is a fine game, and while Invisible War doesn't quite reach the heights of the original, it gets a very bad rap, and is a fine game take on its own merits. I am certainly not bored by what I see of Epic Mickey, but honestly, if someone showed you gameplay videos of any given 60 seconds of Thief 2 or Deus Ex, would you not be bored? I dare you to watch videos of Civilization games and not click away in a few seconds. Countless great games can't show you what makes them great by watching a minute's worth of video; they demand to be played. It's perfectly possible that Epic Mickey won't be amazing, but we should all know by now that trailers and gameplay video do not a great game--or bad game--make.
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I think itll be one of the best new IPs this year.

But i dont think itll be GOTY level. Maybe if it were 2008/9 but we have SMG2 and Starcraft 2 this year.

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I see this as being one of those games that is "greater than the sum of its parts." I can't wait to see the first review. I am cautiously excited.

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I just can't bring myself to be interested in it. I think it's probably an AA game, and I really appreciate that it's doing something different, but nothing I've seen looks all that exciting. :\
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yea game of the year in the Nickelodeon award LOL
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I can't see it being a AAA title.

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It could be, but it probably won't, Super Mario Galaxy 2, Starcraft II, Mass Effect 2, etc. are just ridiculously high competition. It'll be a great game though I'm sure, pre-ordered, day one buy.

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Wow, that story actually sounds really interesting, although I've never been well-versed in Disney lore.

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yea game of the year in the Nickelodeon award LOL narog84
Wow... hilarious. Yeah Warren Spector makes such kiddy games like Deus Ex and System Shock this game is for kids it's gonna win the Nickoloden Awards :roll:.
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I can't see it being a AAA title.

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I think it could be a AAA quality title and maybe get AAA on Metacritic, but personally I'm betting on an 8.5 here and 86 on Metacritic.
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Looks crap, actually.

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yea I agree, i don't see anything worth hyping about this game but I'll wait till it comes out to see if it's any good
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yet its only hyped AA. okay sheep. (not referring tc)

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yea game of the year in the Nickelodeon award LOL narog84
Wow, what a clever one. :roll: Especially considering that a) Warren Spector is the creator of games like System Shock, Deus Ex and Thief, and b) Mickey Mouse isn't Nickelodeon ;)
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The gameplay and platforming look off. The world, at and story seem to impress though. I defintely won't play it for the gameplay if I do(which in my mind is already a bad sign) but I'm catiously optimistic :)

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Probably the one game that is really persuading me to save up for a Wii...

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The gameplay and platforming look off. The world, at and story seem to impress though. I defintely won't play it for the gameplay if I do(which in my mind is already a bad sign) but I'm catiously optimistic :)

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I think the Puzzle Gameplay looks good.
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i doubt it. i still think the game could be far better if it were on a more powerful system.
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It's not even going to be the best game on its system, but then again, what can beat a game that has the 3rd highest score on Gamerankings? So what if there's no story, so what if there's no online tournaments where the emperors and the little ones compete in? It's a game that when it's all said and done, didn't feel like you need any of those things I've mentioned above. That said, I still thinkn Epic Mickey will be an epic game, but epic is too small of a word. It should be as long as antidisestablishmentarianism.
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#47 crippled_ram
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i doubt it. i still think the game could be far better if it were on a more powerful system.mtradr43
Spector has already said that this game was suited, and made, specifically for the Wii, and with the Wii's unique capabilities in mind- I doubt another console could do it any justice in such a scenario.
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From what I've seen, I doubt it'll match the pure fun that Kirby's Epic Yarn will give us.
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#49 Maroxad
Member since 2007 • 25405 Posts

I dont know what to think of the game, I would love to play it and if everything he states about the game is true, then this might end up becoming a masterpiece. I like the classic disney and the fact that this is a tribute to the classic disney makes me even more interested in the game.

I don't know the answers to either of those questions. Launch day reviews always, always depend on when we get the code for review. But you basically echo exactly what I said--mundane gameplay wrapped into a great story that elevates the game. That's my guess, anyway. I also really like the way the game looks. As for the post above you, Deadly Shadows is a fine game, and while Invisible War doesn't quite reach the heights of the original, it gets a very bad rap, and is a fine game take on its own merits. I am certainly not bored by what I see of Epic Mickey, but honestly, if someone showed you gameplay videos of any given 60 seconds of Thief 2 or Deus Ex, would you not be bored? I dare you to watch videos of Civilization games and not click away in a few seconds. Countless great games can't show you what makes them great by watching a minute's worth of video; they demand to be played. It's perfectly possible that Epic Mickey won't be amazing, but we should all know by now that trailers and gameplay video do not a great game--or bad game--make. Kevin-V

A huge reason some games may not be interesting to watch either is because we dont understand the mechanics and therefore we may not be aware of what the player is doing what. As a result, the micromanaging or whatever the player may be doing may in a few cases just seem like downtime rather than an actual part of the game. In addition, getting rewarded yourself is a lot more fun than watching someone else get rewarded. Collecting pieces of hearts are for instance a lot more fun than watching someone else do it, same goes for questing in a lot of MMOs. Generally slower and deeper gameplay isnt as exciting to watch as a fast paced game like Call of Duty.

Off Topic: I have wanted to ask you for a while, but did you enjoy reviewing (complaining about its many flaws) FF14 more than you actually enjoyed playing the game? it seemed like it in the review :P

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#50 narog84
Member since 2006 • 1126 Posts
[QUOTE="narog84"]yea game of the year in the Nickelodeon award LOL crippled_ram
Wow, what a clever one. :roll: Especially considering that a) Warren Spector is the creator of games like System Shock, Deus Ex and Thief, and b) Mickey Mouse isn't Nickelodeon ;)

a) have nothing to do with the fact that this is a kiddy game b) i just making fun of kiddy games