EPIC showing off next-gen tech/Unreal Engine 4 March 5-9

EPIC bringing next-gen tech to GDC 2012

Expectations?

I wonder if they will say what systems kit they are running off of?

Unreal Tournament 4! It's about time they ditched Gears of Bore for the console peasants and returned to their rightful franchise.

Unreal Tournament 4! It's about time they ditched Gears of Bore for the console peasants and returned to their rightful franchise.

DrTrafalgarLaw

Hey I think I know who you are now.

Anyway cool.

Unreal Tournament 4! It's about time they ditched Gears of Bore for the console peasants and returned to their rightful franchise.

DrTrafalgarLaw

Well I hope more devs next gen build their own unique engines, I don't want more look alike games using the unreal engine.

Well I hope more devs next gen build their own unique engines, I don't want more look alike games using the unreal engine.

edo-tensei

This is the opposite of where the market trend is going.

As it becomes more and more important to have very refined, highly complex engines to tackle higher end hardware ANd multple platforms, it will continue to become more and mroe common place for studios to license existing engines, and for comapnies that focus ONLY on creating game engines to florish.

Why spend 2+ years, a ton of money, and a ton of resources to create an engine when you can license one and start creating your game righ away?

[QUOTE="edo-tensei"]

Well I hope more devs next gen build their own unique engines, I don't want more look alike games using the unreal engine.

Kinthalis

This is the opposite of where the market trend is going.

As it becomes more and more important to have very refined, highly complex engines to tackle higher end hardware ANd multple platforms, it will continue to become more and mroe common place for studios to license existing engines, and for comapnies that focus ONLY on creating game engines to florish.

Why spend 2+ years, a ton of money, and a ton of resources to create an engine when you can license one and start creating your game righ away?

[QUOTE="Kinthalis"]

[QUOTE="edo-tensei"]

Well I hope more devs next gen build their own unique engines, I don't want more look alike games using the unreal engine.

edo-tensei

This is the opposite of where the market trend is going.

As it becomes more and more important to have very refined, highly complex engines to tackle higher end hardware ANd multple platforms, it will continue to become more and mroe common place for studios to license existing engines, and for comapnies that focus ONLY on creating game engines to florish.

Why spend 2+ years, a ton of money, and a ton of resources to create an engine when you can license one and start creating your game righ away?

That works from the view point of the artists and geme developers... not so much ffrom the view point of the suits and investors with the purse strings ;)

It's a sad state of affairs, but it is what it is.

Besides which I think the most exiting thing ABOUt targetting modern PC hardware and modern API's in these new engines is that they will provide a ton of new tools for developers to work with, so it should eb easier for creative devs to come up with truly unique experiences despite running on the same engine.

EPIC bringing next-gen tech to GDC 2012

Expectations?

I wonder if they will say what systems kit they are running off of?

Spartan070

Good news for next gen consoles. More or less tells us the next xbox will run some nice looking games.

And not supported by Wii-U.joojtzu

[QUOTE="joojtzu"]And not supported by Wii-U.Spartan070

its unlikely it will be able to compute it..

[QUOTE="joojtzu"]And not supported by Wii-U.Spartan070

[QUOTE="Spartan070"][QUOTE="joojtzu"]And not supported by Wii-U.ionusX

its unlikely it will be able to compute it..

[QUOTE="Kinthalis"]

[QUOTE="edo-tensei"]

Well I hope more devs next gen build their own unique engines, I don't want more look alike games using the unreal engine.

edo-tensei

This is the opposite of where the market trend is going.

As it becomes more and more important to have very refined, highly complex engines to tackle higher end hardware ANd multple platforms, it will continue to become more and mroe common place for studios to license existing engines, and for comapnies that focus ONLY on creating game engines to florish.

Why spend 2+ years, a ton of money, and a ton of resources to create an engine when you can license one and start creating your game righ away?

Wont happen, its far far far cheaper to buy in the likes of UE in comparrison to building from scratch it wasnt so bad years ago, but with rising developement costs and middleware being cost effecctive in the manufacture of games its only going to become more common place for developers to use Middleware hell its even pretty apparent this gen.

Its a trend thats here to stay.

Oh yeah an engine DOES NOT limit creativity.

Unreal Tournament 4! It's about time they ditched Gears of Bore for the console peasants and returned to their rightful franchise.

DrTrafalgarLaw

I wonder if the UE4 demo will end up being an actual game just as the UE3 reveal was actually assets from Gears of War 1?

[QUOTE="edo-tensei"]

[QUOTE="Kinthalis"]

This is the opposite of where the market trend is going.

As it becomes more and more important to have very refined, highly complex engines to tackle higher end hardware ANd multple platforms, it will continue to become more and mroe common place for studios to license existing engines, and for comapnies that focus ONLY on creating game engines to florish.

Why spend 2+ years, a ton of money, and a ton of resources to create an engine when you can license one and start creating your game righ away?

razgriz_101

Wont happen, its far far far cheaper to buy in the likes of UE in comparrison to building from scratch it wasnt so bad years ago, but with rising developement costs and middleware being cost effecctive in the manufacture of games its only going to become more common place for developers to use Middleware hell its even pretty apparent this gen.

Its a trend thats here to stay.

Oh yeah an engine DOES NOT limit creativity.

[QUOTE="razgriz_101"]

[QUOTE="edo-tensei"] Well, just for the sake of the ultimate creative freedom, just saying.

o0squishy0o

Wont happen, its far far far cheaper to buy in the likes of UE in comparrison to building from scratch it wasnt so bad years ago, but with rising developement costs and middleware being cost effecctive in the manufacture of games its only going to become more common place for developers to use Middleware hell its even pretty apparent this gen.

Its a trend thats here to stay.

Oh yeah an engine DOES NOT limit creativity.

at the same time one could say there are other alternative middlewares which are more suited to that genre/job :P

[QUOTE="razgriz_101"]

[QUOTE="edo-tensei"] Well, just for the sake of the ultimate creative freedom, just saying.

o0squishy0o

Wont happen, its far far far cheaper to buy in the likes of UE in comparrison to building from scratch it wasnt so bad years ago, but with rising developement costs and middleware being cost effecctive in the manufacture of games its only going to become more common place for developers to use Middleware hell its even pretty apparent this gen.

Its a trend thats here to stay.

Oh yeah an engine DOES NOT limit creativity.

Most of the look alike stuff you get from UE3 games nowadays is because of laziness, I have seen in quite a few UE3 games where it appears that the dev had just copy and pasted parts of UT3 materials and slapped them on their own assets.

BTW, the udk does support vehicle physics out of the box, and even if it didn't, a developer could set up their own system.

I wonder if the UE4 demo will end up being an actual game just as the UE3 reveal was actually assets from Gears of War 1?

Bruin1986

[QUOTE="edo-tensei"]

[QUOTE="Kinthalis"]

This is the opposite of where the market trend is going.

As it becomes more and more important to have very refined, highly complex engines to tackle higher end hardware ANd multple platforms, it will continue to become more and mroe common place for studios to license existing engines, and for comapnies that focus ONLY on creating game engines to florish.

Why spend 2+ years, a ton of money, and a ton of resources to create an engine when you can license one and start creating your game righ away?

razgriz_101

Wont happen, its far far far cheaper to buy in the likes of UE in comparrison to building from scratch it wasnt so bad years ago, but with rising developement costs and middleware being cost effecctive in the manufacture of games its only going to become more common place for developers to use Middleware hell its even pretty apparent this gen.

Its a trend thats here to stay.

Oh yeah an engine DOES NOT limit creativity.

It costs about the same actually.

All that it saved is time and manpower.

Middleware isn't the same as an entire engine either. The witcher 2 engine has like 7 licensed middleware products implemented in it, but the engine itself was still made by cd projekt.

If Samaritan was running on a late version of UE3. I can't even imagine what UE4 is going to look like. Especially since Epic says they are shifting more focus towards the PC than they have in the past few years

[QUOTE="DrTrafalgarLaw"]

Unreal Tournament 4! It's about time they ditched Gears of Bore for the console peasants and returned to their rightful franchise.

waltefmoney

Hey I think I know who you are now.

Anyway cool.

[QUOTE="DrTrafalgarLaw"]

Unreal Tournament 4! It's about time they ditched Gears of Bore for the console peasants and returned to their rightful franchise.

killab2oo5

If Samaritan was running on a late version of UE3. I can't even imagine what UE4 is going to look like. Especially since Epic says they are shifting more focus towards the PC than they have in the past few years

Evz0rz

B) They are shifting more towards the PC

C) They will still be doing games for the next Xbox, they have such a lucrative fanbase there, it would be foolish to abandon them. Not saying you were saying that...

I love how they are pushing forward constantly. Samaritan was a nice piece of tech. Useless to us gamers but nice to show what an engine is capable of. I used to love the cryengine more but Unreal engines have come a long way and may just pass them out.

But like I tell everyone I am a sucker for pretty lighting and reflections :P

I love how they are pushing forward constantly. Samaritan was a nice piece of tech. Useless to us gamers but nice to show what an engine is capable of. I used to love the cryengine more but Unreal engines have come a long way and may just pass them out.

But like I tell everyone I am a sucker for pretty lighting and reflections :P

seanmcloughlin

Still think next gen consoles won't be a big step up?

Will it look better than Crysis?

Will it look better than Crysis?

mitu123

Not everybody thinks Crysis is still the best looking game. People seem overly impressed by gimmicky looking HDR effects,imo

[QUOTE="waltefmoney"]

Hey I think I know who you are now.

Anyway cool.

DrTrafalgarLaw

Santa Claus

MASTER DETECTIVE :cool:

If they make something like Samaritan I'll cry tears of joy.

[QUOTE="mitu123"]

Will it look better than Crysis?

Heirren

Not everybody thinks Crysis is still the best looking game. People seem overly impressed by gimmicky looking HDR effects,imo

[QUOTE="mitu123"]

Will it look better than Crysis?

Heirren

Not everybody thinks Crysis is still the best looking game. People seem overly impressed by gimmicky looking HDR effects,imo

more texture and polygon count makes it best.

[QUOTE="mitu123"]

Will it look better than Crysis?

Heirren

Not everybody thinks Crysis is still the best looking game. People seem overly impressed by gimmicky looking HDR effects,imo

No not everyone but most do.

It's pushing a huge amount of stuff all at once on screen. that's impressive.

[QUOTE="seanmcloughlin"]

I love how they are pushing forward constantly. Samaritan was a nice piece of tech. Useless to us gamers but nice to show what an engine is capable of. I used to love the cryengine more but Unreal engines have come a long way and may just pass them out.

But like I tell everyone I am a sucker for pretty lighting and reflections :P

Heirren

Still think next gen consoles won't be a big step up?

It's hard to judge how much of a leap consoles will make over the current ones. I would love to see a big leap but I don't see it happening. Visuals might get better resolutions and framerates along with more open levels instead of really good looking corridors and hallways.

Let's hope they impress because the whole medium pushes forward when they do, which is kind of sad that they are playing catch up

If Samaritan was running on a late version of UE3. I can't even imagine what UE4 is going to look like. Especially since Epic says they are shifting more focus towards the PC than they have in the past few years

Evz0rz

[QUOTE="Evz0rz"]

If Samaritan was running on a late version of UE3. I can't even imagine what UE4 is going to look like. Especially since Epic says they are shifting more focus towards the PC than they have in the past few years

lawlessx

thats the plan.. less console or console 1st titles.. more pc love

and to put things into perspective the samaritan was run on a pc.. it was there way of telling console makers to get with the program or this is where we will be.. tomorrow

[QUOTE="lawlessx"][QUOTE="Evz0rz"]

If Samaritan was running on a late version of UE3. I can't even imagine what UE4 is going to look like. Especially since Epic says they are shifting more focus towards the PC than they have in the past few years

ionusX

thats the plan.. less console or console 1st titles.. more pc love

and to put things into perspective the samaritan was run on a pc.. it was there way of telling console makers to get with the program or this is where we will be.. tomorrow

I hope a lot of what they said isn't BS though and they really DO cater to PC more

A proper UNREAL game imo, Unreal2k4 was one of the best online shooters ever, Unrael3 was very very average.

I hope they bring back the true UNREAL!

I want a sequel to RUNE, make it happen.

also kill gears, focus on new original IP's.

Unreal 3 was such a bad game; it was DOA with the PC. Unreal Tournament 2k4 was an amazing twitch based competitive shooter. It will be interesting to see the requirements for Unreal Engine 4. I think I read somewhere the Samaritan Demo was running on 2 580GTX's but I always take that with a grain of salt. I believe Crysis was supposed to be running at 30 FPS on 2 7800GTXs in SLI. Even 2 8800s struggled with Crysis.

However, gamers are not quite spending the crazy amounts of GPU money they used to and mid-range cards seem to be where it's at and I think PC developers are taking advantage of that. Quite honestly, The difference in IQ from Crysis 2 on Ultra preset to Extreme is not very much yet the graphical demands are tremendous to push out that level of tessellation (and poorly implemented at that).

However with the Kepler and shrink to 28nm technology, I think the requirements for this engine will be quite high and not many high end systems of today will be maxing this out. All speculation of course.

A proper UNREAL game imo, Unreal2k4 was one of the best online shooters ever, Unrael3 was very very average.

I hope they bring back the true UNREAL!

kozzy1234

[QUOTE="Evz0rz"]

If Samaritan was running on a late version of UE3. I can't even imagine what UE4 is going to look like. Especially since Epic says they are shifting more focus towards the PC than they have in the past few years

lawlessx

"It's nice to target the PC as a primary platform again," teased Capps, "not just for ports."

"Right now the Raleigh, N.C.-based studio is working on five, unnamed titles not related to the Gears of War series. "At Epic, we didn't multiply the studio size by five when we started working on these multiple projects," answered Capps when asked if the projects would be just as large as what went into the Gears of War titles. "So you can make some assumptions about the size of those projects."

http://www.tomshardware.com/news/Gamescom-Mike-Capps-PC-Gaming-Gears-of-War-Unreal-Tournament,13235.html

[QUOTE="kozzy1234"]

A proper UNREAL game imo, Unreal2k4 was one of the best online shooters ever, Unrael3 was very very average.

I hope they bring back the true UNREAL!

wis3boi

no unreal tournament 2004 added new gameplay elements to the unreal franchise from ut1999 like double dodge jumping and walljumps.

they need to add some new gameplay mechanics to the game.

Interesting. I will keep an eye out for the footage.