Europe has all the most hardcore games this gen

I think you will find that these are the most hardcore games this gen. Graphics, Survival Horor, First Person Shooter, Strategy, RPG, Sandbox, Post Apocalypse.

Crysis - Most hardcore graphics (Germany)

Amnesia Dark Descent - Most hardcore survival horror (Sweden)

The Witcher - Most Hardcore RPG (Poland)

Battlefield Bad Company 2 - Most hardcore shooter (Sweden)

Grand Theft Auto 4 - Most hardcore Sandbox (United Kingdom)

S.T.A.L.K.E.R. - Most hardcore Post Apocalyptic (Ukraine)

Medieval 2 Total War - Most hardcore strategy game (United Kingdom)

Europe owns your asses. This is what you get when you leave us out of discussion. Discuss.

Define "most hardcore"

Define "most hardcore"

coreybg

[QUOTE="GeneralShowzer"]Ok.... BC2 is not the most hardcore shooter. That's laughable. Total War is really dry for an RTS too. Medieval II was something, but they are getting more and more simplified as they go along. The Witcher is not a hardcore RPG. At all. It's an action RPG.Fried_Shrimp

First of all, Bethesda is a developer, not a game.

2nd - So you're saying the only good shooters that came out this gen are BC2,Halo and CoD?

[QUOTE="Fried_Shrimp"]Let me guess. The most hardcore shooter is either Halo or Call of Duty? The most hardcore RPG is Bethesda (since that is all Americans have got to argue).coreybg

First of all, Bethesda is a developer, not a game.

2nd - So you're saying the only good shooters that came out this gen are BC2,Halo and CoD?

Not sure if your doing this on purpose, but you could at least spell "Sweden" right.

[QUOTE="coreybg"]

[QUOTE="Fried_Shrimp"]Let me guess. The most hardcore shooter is either Halo or Call of Duty? The most hardcore RPG is Bethesda (since that is all Americans have got to argue).Fried_Shrimp

First of all, Bethesda is a developer, not a game.

2nd - So you're saying the only good shooters that came out this gen are BC2,Halo and CoD?

And who said I like Halo,CoD and/or BC2?

How about TF2? I think it's better than BC2, same for HL2 Ep2.

Not sure if your doing this on purpose, but you could at least spell "Sweden" right.

St_muscat

Some of the biggest "hardcore" games have come out of europe.

And i lol at TW being a dry RTS...

Besides "hardcore" is a term the uber geeky lot made up to feel more good bout themselves since gaming became a more accesible market for everyone since the advent of modern home consoles after the 16bit gen me thinks.

How about TF2? I think it's better than BC2, same for HL2 Ep2.

Besides "hardcore" is a term the uber geeky lot made up to feel more good bout themselves since gaming became a more accesible market for everyone since the advent of modern home consoles after the 16bit gen me thinks.

razgriz_101

Hardcore graphics :lol: ?

[QUOTE="razgriz_101"]

Besides "hardcore" is a term the uber geeky lot made up to feel more good bout themselves since gaming became a more accesible market for everyone since the advent of modern home consoles after the 16bit gen me thinks.

Fried_Shrimp

i was born in 91 so i grew up with the megadrive, but this zomg harcore gaeming nonsense is laughable...thought it was supposed to be an enjoyable thing (sure some games are being toned down, but in some cases more streamlined means better overall gameplay from certain standpoints and makes the game more freeflowing).

[QUOTE="Fried_Shrimp"][QUOTE="razgriz_101"]

Besides "hardcore" is a term the uber geeky lot made up to feel more good bout themselves since gaming became a more accesible market for everyone since the advent of modern home consoles after the 16bit gen me thinks.

razgriz_101

i was born in 91 so i grew up with the megadrive, but this zomg harcore gaeming nonsense is laughable...thought it was supposed to be an enjoyable thing (sure some games are being toned down, but in some cases more streamlined means better overall gameplay from certain standpoints and makes the game more freeflowing).

Bethesda is the only RPG studio worth mentioning in America. Battlefield Bad Company 2 is way more hardcore than your Halo's and your COD's.Fried_Shrimp

Uhm, Obsidian?

And yet not a single title listed appeals to me :( About the only IP I like that's made in the UK is Motorstorm.

[QUOTE="St_muscat"]

Not sure if your doing this on purpose, but you could at least spell "Sweden" right.

Fried_Shrimp

Uhm, Obsidian?

waltefmoney

[QUOTE="waltefmoney"]

Uhm, Obsidian?

Fried_Shrimp

No chance in hell, but they're definitely worth mentioning.

How about TF2? I think it's better than BC2, same for HL2 Ep2.

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And i lol at TW being a dry RTS...

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razgriz_101

[QUOTE="Fried_Shrimp"][QUOTE="coreybg"]

How about TF2? I think it's better than BC2, same for HL2 Ep2.

alextherussian

You'd be right in that European developers tend to make deeper and more complex games than U.S. ones, although some of your game choices are off (Medieval II: Total War is FAR from the most hardcore game this generation). However, the U.S. has Obisidan, and no one around today makes better Western RPGs than they do. The Witcher's good, but it isn't "as" good in roleplaying terms as, say, New Vegas.

[QUOTE="lucky_star"] EU does not equal Europe. Good example is Switzerland which is located right in the middle of Europe but is not part of the EU (european union)alextherussian

[QUOTE="alextherussian"][QUOTE="lucky_star"] EU does not equal Europe. Good example is Switzerland which is located right in the middle of Europe but is not part of the EU (european union)lucky_star

Battlefield Bad Company 2 - Most hardcore shooter :lol: somebody needs to play Arma series badtaker

The developers of ARMA are Czech. :/

[QUOTE="badtaker"]Battlefield Bad Company 2 - Most hardcore shooter :lol: somebody needs to play Arma series NotTarts

The developers of ARMA are Czech. :/

So what?

The console term "Hardcore" is used by teenagers and ignorant young adults to make themselves feel mature by playing games with "Curse Words" and "Blood"

By even using the term Hardcore, it makes them sound very immature...

How about TF2? I think it's better than BC2, same for HL2 Ep2.

The console term "Hardcore" is used by teenagers and ignorant young adults to make themselves feel mature by playing games with "Curse Words" and "Blood"

By even using the term Hardcore, it makes them sound very immature...

thomasward00

All crap about hardcore aside, I do think Europe generally produces the most interesting games this year. Especially when it comes to first person shooters, Europe is the place to be this gen.

All crap about hardcore aside, I do think Europe generally produces the most interesting games this year. Especially when it comes to first person shooters, Europe is the place to be this gen.

DraugenCP

Tetris came out of europe...can we say game set and match :P It was a Russian game xD Eastern Europe is a powehouse for making games regardless of countries being in the EU or not.

Discuss what? Is this region/continent wars or something now?

Please stop with the "hardcore" topics, please these are just laughable and sad.

Isn't ARMA european or is that just Operation Flashpoint? Thats the most ''hardcore'' miliatry FPS. Metro 2033 and Dirt needs a mention.tomarlyn

[QUOTE="tomarlyn"]Isn't ARMA european or is that just Operation Flashpoint? Thats the most ''hardcore'' miliatry FPS. Metro 2033 and Dirt needs a mention.McStrongfast