Every MGS Fan Should Show some Respect to...

Cliffy B. and Gears of War. I can't help but wonder what kind of shooting mechanic MGS4 would have used if Gears of War was never introduced back in 06...So I say quit hating on GeoW and be thankful for one great game helping out another.

It's more GRAW than Gears.....

I think Cliffy should thank GRAW and Killswitch

Thank you cliffy b for nothing, you did absolutly nothing new in your gears of war series except let us cut things up with chain saws and give us a game engine that is the most over used ever.

Thank you cliffy b for nothing, you did absolutly nothing new in your gears of war series except let us cut things up with chain saws and give us a game engine that is the most overrated ever.

Sully28

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Edit: I kid , I kid

the 3rd person shooting mechanic was used before gears (GRAW 360) for example and it was done well too. Also games like RE4 had the over the shoulder camera and excellent aiming mechanics(aside from the fact that you couldnt move while aiming which sucked)mmirza23

lol ... Re4 anyone?humber_matus

Yeah, but IIRC you couldn't move while shooting in RE4 and you could in GRAW.....so that's why everyone attributes it to GRAW

Ok this went south very quickly, and I like how some are bring up games that came out before GeoW, yet completely ignore the fact that past MGS games didn't brother using the over the shoulder view til AFTER GeoW was released.W1NGMAN-

Ok this went south very quickly, and I like how some are bring up games that came out before GeoW, yet completely ignore the fact that past MGS games didn't brother using the over the shoulder view til AFTER GeoW was released.W1NGMAN-

Re4 came out after MGS3. How could the older versions of mgs use the over the shoulder look if RE4 wasn't even out.

and lol at you thinking GeoWhad anything innovative about it, it was an excelent game but it was in no way innovating anything, just like uncharted.

[QUOTE="W1NGMAN-"]Ok this went south very quickly, and I like how some are bring up games that came out before GeoW, yet completely ignore the fact that past MGS games didn't brother using the over the shoulder view til AFTER GeoW was released.mmirza23

No it didn't, Subsistence used a movable camera but not an over the shoulder view that you can move and shoot with.

[QUOTE="mmirza23"][QUOTE="W1NGMAN-"]Ok this went south very quickly, and I like how some are bring up games that came out before GeoW, yet completely ignore the fact that past MGS games didn't brother using the over the shoulder view til AFTER GeoW was released.W1NGMAN-

No it didn't, Subsistence used a movable camera but not an over the shoulder view that you can move and shoot with.

ignoring my post?

Thank Ryan Payton that MGS4 plays like it does , without him who knows what would have happened.

[QUOTE="W1NGMAN-"]Ok this went south very quickly, and I like how some are bring up games that came out before GeoW, yet completely ignore the fact that past MGS games didn't brother using the over the shoulder view til AFTER GeoW was released.humber_matus

Re4 came out after MGS3. How could the older versions of mgs use the over the shoulder look if RE4 wasn't even out.

and lol at you thinking GeoWhad anything innovative about it, it was an excelent game but it was in no way innovating anything, just like uncharted.

RE4 used it, GeoW improved upon it and POPULARIZED it...I would like to see the direct quote of me saying GeoW innovated anything.

[QUOTE="humber_matus"]

[QUOTE="W1NGMAN-"]Ok this went south very quickly, and I like how some are bring up games that came out before GeoW, yet completely ignore the fact that past MGS games didn't brother using the over the shoulder view til AFTER GeoW was released.W1NGMAN-

Re4 came out after MGS3. How could the older versions of mgs use the over the shoulder look if RE4 wasn't even out.

and lol at you thinking GeoWhad anything innovative about it, it was an excelent game but it was in no way innovating anything, just like uncharted.

RE4 used it, GeoW improved upon it and POPULARIZED it...I would like to see the direct quote of me saying GeoW innovated anything.

ok, so what exactly make you think that mgs4 copied Geow and not Re4 or Graw? And how did re4 not popularize it, the game sold very well.

RE4 used it, GeoW improved upon it and POPULARIZED it...I would like to see the direct quote of me saying GeoW innovated anything.

W1NGMAN-

What about GRAW.....you think GRAW had nothing to do with RE4?

I'm sorry, bt you're attributing "innovation" by Gears in fallacy.

RE4 --> GRAW --> Gears

*it's not like Re4 and GRAW didnt' sell millions of copies or anything, so you saying it was "popularzied by Gears" is actualy wrong, maybe that's the way it appeared to you, but it became popular prior to that.

[QUOTE="W1NGMAN-"][QUOTE="humber_matus"]

[QUOTE="W1NGMAN-"]Ok this went south very quickly, and I like how some are bring up games that came out before GeoW, yet completely ignore the fact that past MGS games didn't brother using the over the shoulder view til AFTER GeoW was released.humber_matus

Re4 came out after MGS3. How could the older versions of mgs use the over the shoulder look if RE4 wasn't even out.

and lol at you thinking GeoWhad anything innovative about it, it was an excelent game but it was in no way innovating anything, just like uncharted.

RE4 used it, GeoW improved upon it and POPULARIZED it...I would like to see the direct quote of me saying GeoW innovated anything.

ok, so what exactly make you think that mgs4 copied Geow and not Re4 or Graw? And how did re4 not popularize it, the game sold very well.

I don't know, just figured they got the inspiration from GeoW just like how Naughty Dog came out and said thats where they got the idea to use their shooting mechanic.

Has that Ryan guy come out and say were exactly he got the inspiration to use the over the shoulder view for MGS4?

Cliffy B. and Gears of War. I can't help but wonder what kind of shooting mechanic MGS4 would have used if Gears of War was never introduced back in 06...So I say quit hating on GeoW and be thankful for one great game helping out another.

W1NGMAN-

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[QUOTE="W1NGMAN-"]

RE4 used it, GeoW improved upon it and POPULARIZED it...I would like to see the direct quote of me saying GeoW innovated anything.

MikeE21286

What about GRAW.....you think GRAW had nothing to do with RE4?

I'm sorry, bt you're attributing "innovation" by Gears in fallacy.

RE4 --> GRAW --> Gears

*it's not like Re4 and GRAW didnt' sell millions of copies or anything, so you saying it was "popularzied by Gears" is actualy wrong, maybe that's the way it appeared to you, but it became popular prior to that.

Naughty Dog came out and said they used the over the shoulder view because of GeoW, why didn't they say RE4? or GRAW? There are just certain games some devs get inspiration from and GeoW has been one of those games.

As for MGS4, I'm not quite sure where their inspiration came from, just assumed it was from GeoW.

[QUOTE="W1NGMAN-"]

Cliffy B. and Gears of War. I can't help but wonder what kind of shooting mechanic MGS4 would have used if Gears of War was never introduced back in 06...So I say quit hating on GeoW and be thankful for one great game helping out another.

thrones

Pretty much.

[QUOTE="thrones"][QUOTE="W1NGMAN-"]

Cliffy B. and Gears of War. I can't help but wonder what kind of shooting mechanic MGS4 would have used if Gears of War was never introduced back in 06...So I say quit hating on GeoW and be thankful for one great game helping out another.

W1NGMAN-

Pretty much.

You have to admit that is an awesome gif.

Blowing up planes in mid air with a grenade?

:D

[QUOTE="W1NGMAN-"][QUOTE="thrones"][QUOTE="W1NGMAN-"]

Cliffy B. and Gears of War. I can't help but wonder what kind of shooting mechanic MGS4 would have used if Gears of War was never introduced back in 06...So I say quit hating on GeoW and be thankful for one great game helping out another.

thrones

Pretty much.

You have to admit that is an awesome gif.

Blowing up planes in mid air with a grenade?

:D

Ive seen it before....way back somewhere, just never thought it would be used on one of my topics :(

[QUOTE="humber_matus"][QUOTE="W1NGMAN-"][QUOTE="humber_matus"]

[QUOTE="W1NGMAN-"]Ok this went south very quickly, and I like how some are bring up games that came out before GeoW, yet completely ignore the fact that past MGS games didn't brother using the over the shoulder view til AFTER GeoW was released.W1NGMAN-

Re4 came out after MGS3. How could the older versions of mgs use the over the shoulder look if RE4 wasn't even out.

and lol at you thinking GeoWhad anything innovative about it, it was an excelent game but it was in no way innovating anything, just like uncharted.

RE4 used it, GeoW improved upon it and POPULARIZED it...I would like to see the direct quote of me saying GeoW innovated anything.

ok, so what exactly make you think that mgs4 copied Geow and not Re4 or Graw? And how did re4 not popularize it, the game sold very well.

I don't know, just figured they got the inspiration from GeoW just like how Naughty Dog came out and said thats where they got the idea to use their shooting mechanic.

Has that Ryan guy come out and say were exactly he got the inspiration to use the over the shoulder view for MGS4?

no, he didnt.

Cliffy B. and Gears of War. I can't help but wonder what kind of shooting mechanic MGS4 would have used if Gears of War was never introduced back in 06...So I say quit hating on GeoW and be thankful for one great game helping out another.

W1NGMAN-

Cliffy B. and Gears of War. I can't help but wonder what kind of shooting mechanic MGS4 would have used if Gears of War was never introduced back in 06...So I say quit hating on GeoW and be thankful for one great game helping out another.

W1NGMAN-

agreed, but can we also agree that cliffy b is the biggest tool in the gaming industry..

WRONG!