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Zelda, Metroid, and Mario barely cater to the typical "hardcore" gamer anymore, they mainly cater to the huge Nintendo fans. Nintendo needs good, in-depth third-party games to really attract hard-core gamers.
Teufelhuhn

Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait...

How in the world is a "Nintendo fan" and a "hardcore gamer" different? Also, how is Zelda, Metroid and Mario less of a hardcore offering from Nintendo because of it? Truthfully, that doesn't make any damn sense.

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[QUOTE="Teufelhuhn"][QUOTE="Redmoonxl2"]

The Sims is a pretty indepth game to be quite honest...
Redmoonxl2

I wasn't trying to say it wasn't, I was just trying to make the point that even if a non-gamer really gets into one particular game, its no guarantee that they're going to branch out into more traditional-type games.

To be quite honest, Sim type games are considered traditional gaming. Hell, it's probably more traditional than FPS games due to it's long history. From what I see, your female friends are gamers with a completely different taste in gaming than yourself. Just because they don't play Halo or any other FPS doesn't mean they're less of a gamer.

Anyways, your point would have been better illustrated if you used a "grandma playing Bejeweled" example.

They're not "gamers" because they play one game. They don't play games regularly, they don't buy them regularly, they probably never even had an NES in their house. They just happen to like the Sims, regardless of what type of game it is.

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Dudes, you do know that hardcore gamers buy those games right? Hardcore gamers seek out Cooking Mama, Trauma Centre, Wii Sports. It's true.

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[QUOTE="Teufelhuhn"][QUOTE="Tylendal"][QUOTE="Uptown"][QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="Uptown"][QUOTE="Ontain"][QUOTE="Uptown"][QUOTE="UssjTrunks"]Wasn't the cows' main argument last gen sales?TheOneMan

PS2 had the games to back it.

sales lead to better games.

not when your company is marketing Wifes to play your games. then it will always be simple Cooking Mama's and DS-esque games

Those people that play Cooking Mama will then seek out other, more deep games. Those games will be made. Simple.

Do you know what a non-gamer is? Non-gamers are people that dont have time for games that are large on depth and time consumption. They want quick easy things.....examples: WarioWare Smooth Moves, Super Monkey Ball, Sonic and the Secret Rings, Cooking Mama, Mario Party, Elebits, Wii Sports, Trauma Center.....

All quick simple quirky games that lack real depth.......

Umm, have you ever played Trauma Center SO. Also, Nintendo won't lose hardcore games, because then they would lose the hardcore demographic, which would be a big blow.

Nintendo barely has the hardcore demographic as it is. What they have is the huge Nintendo fans, who buy up every first-party game and generally ignore third-party games.

That's because most 3rd party games on Nintendo systems suck.

Once again, have you ever played Trauma Center: Second Opinion. Super Monkey Ball: Banana Blitz is also impressive. On top of that, EA has announced that they're supporting Nintendo with many 3rd party titles.

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[QUOTE="Teufelhuhn"]Zelda, Metroid, and Mario barely cater to the typical "hardcore" gamer anymore, they mainly cater to the huge Nintendo fans. Nintendo needs good, in-depth third-party games to really attract hard-core gamers.
Redmoonxl2

Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait...

How in the world is a "Nintendo fan" and a "hardcore gamer" different? Also, how is Zelda, Metroid and Mario less of a hardcore offering from Nintendo because of it? Truthfully, that doesn't make any damn sense.

"Nintendo fan" is a sub-set of "hardcore gamer". Not every "hardcore gamer" is a huge Nintendo fan.

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[QUOTE="Redmoonxl2"][QUOTE="Teufelhuhn"][QUOTE="Redmoonxl2"]

The Sims is a pretty indepth game to be quite honest...
Teufelhuhn

I wasn't trying to say it wasn't, I was just trying to make the point that even if a non-gamer really gets into one particular game, its no guarantee that they're going to branch out into more traditional-type games.

To be quite honest, Sim type games are considered traditional gaming. Hell, it's probably more traditional than FPS games due to it's long history. From what I see, your female friends are gamers with a completely different taste in gaming than yourself. Just because they don't play Halo or any other FPS doesn't mean they're less of a gamer.

Anyways, your point would have been better illustrated if you used a "grandma playing Bejeweled" example.

They're not "gamers" because they play one game. They don't play games regularly, they don't buy them regularly, they probably never even had an NES in their house. They just happen to like the Sims, regardless of what type of game it is.

They are gamers, just not hardcore gamers. Would a person just playing Halo be any different? How about a person who just plays Starcraft? Smash Bros? WoW?

You're being too restrictive with your definition of "gamer".

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[QUOTE="Redmoonxl2"][QUOTE="Teufelhuhn"][QUOTE="Redmoonxl2"]

The Sims is a pretty indepth game to be quite honest...
Teufelhuhn

I wasn't trying to say it wasn't, I was just trying to make the point that even if a non-gamer really gets into one particular game, its no guarantee that they're going to branch out into more traditional-type games.

To be quite honest, Sim type games are considered traditional gaming. Hell, it's probably more traditional than FPS games due to it's long history. From what I see, your female friends are gamers with a completely different taste in gaming than yourself. Just because they don't play Halo or any other FPS doesn't mean they're less of a gamer.

Anyways, your point would have been better illustrated if you used a "grandma playing Bejeweled" example.

They're not "gamers" because they play one game. They don't play games regularly, they don't buy them regularly, they probably never even had an NES in their house. They just happen to like the Sims, regardless of what type of game it is.

You're very close-minded. I, for one, am not that fond of FPS, racing games, and sports games. Does that mean I'm "not a gamer" :|

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[QUOTE="Redmoonxl2"][QUOTE="Teufelhuhn"]Zelda, Metroid, and Mario barely cater to the typical "hardcore" gamer anymore, they mainly cater to the huge Nintendo fans. Nintendo needs good, in-depth third-party games to really attract hard-core gamers.
Teufelhuhn

Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait...

How in the world is a "Nintendo fan" and a "hardcore gamer" different? Also, how is Zelda, Metroid and Mario less of a hardcore offering from Nintendo because of it? Truthfully, that doesn't make any damn sense.

"Nintendo fan" is a sub-set of "hardcore gamer". Not every "hardcore gamer" is a huge Nintendo fan.

Still doesn't make a lick of sense if you ask me since a "hardcore" gamer can enjoy a Nintendo game without being a fan.

Seriously, who the hell sits down and divide people's interest in the gaming world into little groups?

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[QUOTE="Teufelhuhn"][QUOTE="Redmoonxl2"][QUOTE="Teufelhuhn"][QUOTE="Redmoonxl2"]

The Sims is a pretty indepth game to be quite honest...
Tylendal

I wasn't trying to say it wasn't, I was just trying to make the point that even if a non-gamer really gets into one particular game, its no guarantee that they're going to branch out into more traditional-type games.

To be quite honest, Sim type games are considered traditional gaming. Hell, it's probably more traditional than FPS games due to it's long history. From what I see, your female friends are gamers with a completely different taste in gaming than yourself. Just because they don't play Halo or any other FPS doesn't mean they're less of a gamer.

Anyways, your point would have been better illustrated if you used a "grandma playing Bejeweled" example.

They're not "gamers" because they play one game. They don't play games regularly, they don't buy them regularly, they probably never even had an NES in their house. They just happen to like the Sims, regardless of what type of game it is.

You're very close-minded. I, for one, am not that fond of FPS, racing games, and sports games. Does that mean I'm "not a gamer" :|

You're a gamer because you've played more than one game in your lifetime. It has absolutely nothing to do with what genres you like, and has everthing to do with how regularly play and purchase games. :|

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Developers are going to go where their games sell. I'm making "Sci-Fi Online FPS", and I have to decide which console to put it on, do you think I'm going to choose the platform with a large percentage of people who play "Brain Age" or the platform where Tom Clancy games sell like crazy?
Teufelhuhn

that's were sales comes in. naturally if sales are about even then the devs would go to the one they thing has more of those users. now if the wii has a big lead it might be just worth it to create the game for the wii instead. remember that the development costs are many times less as well.

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[QUOTE="Teufelhuhn"][QUOTE="Redmoonxl2"][QUOTE="Teufelhuhn"]Zelda, Metroid, and Mario barely cater to the typical "hardcore" gamer anymore, they mainly cater to the huge Nintendo fans. Nintendo needs good, in-depth third-party games to really attract hard-core gamers.
Redmoonxl2

Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait...

How in the world is a "Nintendo fan" and a "hardcore gamer" different? Also, how is Zelda, Metroid and Mario less of a hardcore offering from Nintendo because of it? Truthfully, that doesn't make any damn sense.

"Nintendo fan" is a sub-set of "hardcore gamer". Not every "hardcore gamer" is a huge Nintendo fan.

Still doesn't make a lick of sense if you ask me since a "hardcore" gamer can enjoy a Nintendo game without being a fan.

Seriously, who the hell sits down and divide people's interest in the gaming world into little groups?

I'm sure every developer and publisher does, which is why I bring it up. They need to know where their games will sell. Its not always about market-share, which is why the Xbox had so much more third-party support than the GameCube last gen (despite the relatively small difference in market-share).

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[QUOTE="TheOneMan"]That's because most 3rd party games on Nintendo systems suck.
Tylendal

Once again, have you ever played Trauma Center: Second Opinion. Super Monkey Ball: Banana Blitz is also impressive. On top of that, EA has announced that they're supporting Nintendo with many 3rd party titles.

Like I said, MOST 3rd party games suck on Nintendo platforms. I'm trying to defend the sheep. It's true that developers take little to no time when developing a game for a Nintendo consoles/handheld. When was the last AAA from a 3rd party on the DS? My greatest example is the Wii, in which developers feel that it is necessary to re-release last-gen games with tacked on Wii controls.

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[QUOTE="Tylendal"][QUOTE="Teufelhuhn"][QUOTE="Redmoonxl2"][QUOTE="Teufelhuhn"][QUOTE="Redmoonxl2"]

The Sims is a pretty indepth game to be quite honest...
Teufelhuhn

I wasn't trying to say it wasn't, I was just trying to make the point that even if a non-gamer really gets into one particular game, its no guarantee that they're going to branch out into more traditional-type games.

To be quite honest, Sim type games are considered traditional gaming. Hell, it's probably more traditional than FPS games due to it's long history. From what I see, your female friends are gamers with a completely different taste in gaming than yourself. Just because they don't play Halo or any other FPS doesn't mean they're less of a gamer.

Anyways, your point would have been better illustrated if you used a "grandma playing Bejeweled" example.

They're not "gamers" because they play one game. They don't play games regularly, they don't buy them regularly, they probably never even had an NES in their house. They just happen to like the Sims, regardless of what type of game it is.

You're very close-minded. I, for one, am not that fond of FPS, racing games, and sports games. Does that mean I'm "not a gamer" :|

You're a gamer because you've played more than one game in your lifetime. It has absolutely nothing to do with what genres you like, and has everthing to do with how regularly play and purchase games. :|

Umm, she probably plays more than just "The Sims". Who are you to say that she doesn't regularly play and purchase game like "The Sims". You said yourself, it has nothing to do with genre. Personally I think classifying people is far too rigid.

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I'm sure every developer and publisher does, which is why I bring it up. They need to know where their games will sell. Its not always about market-share, which is why the Xbox had so much more third-party support than the GameCube last gen (despite the relatively small difference in market-share).
Teufelhuhn

There is a major difference between a publisher saying they need FPS gamers for FPS gamers and saying that Nintendo games can only be appreciated Nintendo fans. There was no point in bringing that up, truthfully.

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Umm, she probably plays more than just "The Sims". Who are you to say that she doesn't regularly play and purchase game like "The Sims". You said yourself, it has nothing to do with genre. Personally I think classifying people is far too rigid.Tylendal

The people in this example do not play more than just The Sims. I know because they're my friends, I've asked them. If any of them had even played Tetris on a Game Boy I wouldn't be mentioning them.

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[QUOTE="Tylendal"][QUOTE="TheOneMan"]That's because most 3rd party games on Nintendo systems suck.
TheOneMan

Once again, have you ever played Trauma Center: Second Opinion. Super Monkey Ball: Banana Blitz is also impressive. On top of that, EA has announced that they're supporting Nintendo with many 3rd party titles.

Like I said, MOST 3rd party games suck on Nintendo platforms. I'm trying to defend the sheep. It's true that developers take little to no time when developing a game for a Nintendo consoles/handheld. When was the last AAA from a 3rd party on the DS? My greatest example is the Wii, in which developers feel that it is necessary to re-release last-gen games with tacked on Wii controls.

I say for the thousandth time... the reason there are so many ports is because they want to put SOMETHING on the Wii, because they haven't had enough time yet to develop proper games. Given time though, we will see original games.

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[QUOTE="UssjTrunks"]Wasn't the cows' main argument last gen sales?2FacedJanus

No those were casuals, almost the same thing, casuals are non-gamers that have started to game. Basically all they played was Madden and GTA

At least GTA has something to it. The games on the Wii are despicable.

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[QUOTE="Teufelhuhn"]
I'm sure every developer and publisher does, which is why I bring it up. They need to know where their games will sell. Its not always about market-share, which is why the Xbox had so much more third-party support than the GameCube last gen (despite the relatively small difference in market-share).
Redmoonxl2

There is a major difference between a publisher saying they need FPS gamers for FPS gamers and saying that Nintendo games can only be appreciated Nintendo fans. There was no point in bringing that up, truthfully.

You're putting words in my mouth. I never said they could only be appreciated by Nintendo fans, I said thats who they cater to. Like Jandurin said there's plenty of overlap, but in the end I don't think that Zelda and Mario are going to do much to draw in people who aren't huge Ninty fans to being with.

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The Wii has a solid mix making it a valid console for everyone to own. I dont think non-gamers dont want games that lack depth and challenge but the may not want games that are complicated with numerous buttons and combinations.

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[QUOTE="Jandurin"]Either way, I think Nintendo is picking up a much different crowd than their Gamecube did (as I didn't buy a GC, but did a Wii). And I know of other examples just from my own reality. So, I believe that third parties will release more than "party" games. I just completely believe it. Assuming sales continue anything like they are, the potential for profit will be too high to be ignored.

Wishful thinking, Nintendo themselves doesn't want games like MGS on their systems. I'm sure they could careless about RE which is why while 360 and PS3 owners are playing the outstanding RE 5 you sheep will be playing a cheap spinoff. Nintendo's focus is on stuff like Mario Party, Wario Ware and Cooking Mama. Garbage party games that no real gamer could deal with for more than 15 minutes.

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[QUOTE="Redmoonxl2"][QUOTE="Teufelhuhn"]
I'm sure every developer and publisher does, which is why I bring it up. They need to know where their games will sell. Its not always about market-share, which is why the Xbox had so much more third-party support than the GameCube last gen (despite the relatively small difference in market-share).
Teufelhuhn

There is a major difference between a publisher saying they need FPS gamers for FPS gamers and saying that Nintendo games can only be appreciated Nintendo fans. There was no point in bringing that up, truthfully.

You're putting words in my mouth. I never said they could only be appreciated by Nintendo fans, I said thats who they cater to. Like Jandurin said there's plenty of overlap, but in the end I don't think that Zelda and Mario are going to do much to draw in people who aren't huge Ninty fans to being with.

I'm not putting words in your mouth because you're still pretty much saying that these games seem to mostly draw in Nintendo fans. If there's overlapping, that's definitely a sign that maybe other people who were not typically Nintendo fans who are buying games like Zelda and Mario, am I right?

Besides, these are name brands that everybody has heard once and awhile, with high chances of the usual gamer/nongamer/casual buying it and giving it a try for the first time. Not everybody who played the last Zelda/Mario/Whatever is going to carry on to the next installment and not every buyer of the latest installment is a long time fan.

If anything, you are basing your statements on assumptions. Then again, so am I which kinda makes this pointless.

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[QUOTE="Uptown"][QUOTE="Metrovania"]Sales = victory in the console war. Maybe the PS3 will get better games (I doubt it, but it could happen) but if the Wii sells better, it wins.Metrovania

So because the Wii sells 5 million more than the PS3 in its life (hypothetically)....that means its more fun? Thats rubbish. The only people that should be saying sales = victory are the companies themselves...not the consumers.

The PS1 beat the N64 because it sold better, the PS2 beat the other consoles because it sold better. Maybe the N64 was more fun, maybe the GC was more fun; that's a matter of opinion. However, in terms of winning the war; sales are all that matters.

Incorrect. Profits are all that matter. All corporations strive to be #1 but you do not need to be #1 to have a successful business or "win". You can also be #1 and still lose if you didn't make any money. "Console Wars" is just marketing hype to get you to pay attention and apparently it is working.

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[QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="Gamer46"][QUOTE="Jandurin"]Either way, I think Nintendo is picking up a much different crowd than their Gamecube did (as I didn't buy a GC, but did a Wii). And I know of other examples just from my own reality. So, I believe that third parties will release more than "party" games. I just completely believe it. Assuming sales continue anything like they are, the potential for profit will be too high to be ignored.

Wishful thinking, Nintendo themselves doesn't want games like MGS on their systems. I'm sure they could careless about RE which is why while 360 and PS3 owners are playing the outstanding RE 5 you sheep will be playing a cheap spinoff. Nintendo's focus is on stuff like Mario Party, Wario Ware and Cooking Mama. Garbage party games that no real gamer could deal with for more than 15 minutes.

They told you so themselves? And what "real" gamer doesn't like Wario Ware or Mario Party or some such at some point in their liveS? I thought the whole point of gaming was trying a bit of everything? I know I've played a good sampling of most genres (least of sports).

Somebody who actually wants depth in their games. These games are good when you're with groups of people, but it's not something I'm going to go out and spend $50 on when for $10 more I can buy a game like Oblivion or MGS. And that's my problem with Nintendo their focus is on party games, I don't know how you missed it but they've been saying for months they want games for the non-gamer, they don't give a crap about gamers, certainly not the more hardcore ones.

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Somebody who actually wants depth in their games. These games are good when you're with groups of people, but it's not something I'm going to go out and spend $50 on when for $10 more I can buy a game like Oblivion or MGS. And that's my problem with Nintendo their focus is on party games, I don't know how you missed but they've been saying for months they want games for the non-gamer, they don't give a crap about gamers, certainly not the more hardcore ones.
Gamer46

So by motioning towards the nongamer means that hardcore gamers are left blowing in the wind? If that was the case, Nintendo would be dumping multiple iterations of Brain Age and Nintendogs on the DS and not bother with games like Yoshi's Island 2, Advance Wars Dual Strike, Metroid Prime Hunters, Jump Ultimate Stars, Lunar Knights and more.

Seriously, people, just because Nintendo is drawing in one audience doesn't mean they are ignoring the other. If there is one complaint I have, it's their ability to administer some freakin' quality control.

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I sincerely doubt that the percentage of non-gamers who become hardcore, or even casual for that matter, is of any significance.

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I sincerely doubt that the percentage of non-gamers who become hardcore, or even casual for that matter, is of any significance.DireToad

Why isn't it significant? If that group of nongamers is buying a game once every 3 to 4 months or even 2 games a year, that's still software being purchased. Lets say that a million of the 5 million Wii users are nongamers and every single one of them bought a simple game like a Wario Ware or Tiger Wood. That's still a million units of software being purchased.

I don't see how that's not significant.

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[QUOTE="Jandurin"]Either way, I think Nintendo is picking up a much different crowd than their Gamecube did (as I didn't buy a GC, but did a Wii). And I know of other examples just from my own reality. So, I believe that third parties will release more than "party" games. I just completely believe it. Assuming sales continue anything like they are, the potential for profit will be too high to be ignored.Gamer46

Wishful thinking, Nintendo themselves doesn't want games like MGS on their systems. I'm sure they could careless about RE which is why while 360 and PS3 owners are playing the outstanding RE 5 you sheep will be playing a cheap spinoff. Nintendo's focus is on stuff like Mario Party, Wario Ware and Cooking Mama. Garbage party games that no real gamer could deal with for more than 15 minutes.

you sir, are one ignorant *explitive deleted*
as a hardcore gamer, I must say, I love games like mario part, wii sports and cooking momma,

just cus you have a very elitist(and rather stupid) definition of "hardore gamer" youre loss, some of those games are fun, and just because I dont have to spend 197 hours of my life playing the game doesnt mean "hardcore gamers" cant enjoy it

damnit, "hardcore" is a banned term in my group of friends.. It really should be everywhere, causes more nonsense than anything else

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I just think to myself how they're actually bashing themselves because lets be honest, non-gamers like easy to pickup games that lack depth and challenge. Then they sit here and defend their current game library......whatttt?

Uptown

Nintendogs.

....they actually defend that garbage.

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[QUOTE="Uptown"]I just think to myself how they're actually bashing themselves because lets be honest, non-gamers like easy to pickup games that lack depth and challenge. Then they sit here and defend their current game library......whatttt?

Bread_or_Decide

Nintendogs.

....they actually defend that garbage.

Someone obviously likes it since it's the best selling game of last year.

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every time a cow or lemming brings up somethin to bash the Wii I laugh because sheep almost never bash other systems, and why is that? Because the Wii is winning...and the sheep arent threatened by other companies consoles

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[QUOTE="DireToad"]I sincerely doubt that the percentage of non-gamers who become hardcore, or even casual for that matter, is of any significance.Redmoonxl2

Why isn't it significant? If that group of nongamers is buying a game once every 3 to 4 months or even 2 games a year, that's still software being purchased. Lets say that a million of the 5 million Wii users are nongamers and every single one of them bought a simple game like a Wario Ware or Tiger Wood. That's still a million units of software being purchased.

I don't see how that's not significant.

I just have a hard time believing (and let's use the typical non-gamer stereotype here) that a 40 year old house wife is spending 250$ on a system and 50$ per game that she isn't even sure she will be using all that much.
Or at the very least, I have trouble believing that she will buy it for herself and not her entire family, which most probably already has gaming children.

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[QUOTE="Redmoonxl2"][QUOTE="DireToad"]I sincerely doubt that the percentage of non-gamers who become hardcore, or even casual for that matter, is of any significance.DireToad

Why isn't it significant? If that group of nongamers is buying a game once every 3 to 4 months or even 2 games a year, that's still software being purchased. Lets say that a million of the 5 million Wii users are nongamers and every single one of them bought a simple game like a Wario Ware or Tiger Wood. That's still a million units of software being purchased.

I don't see how that's not significant.

I just have a hard time believing (and let's use the typical non-gamer stereotype here) that a 40 year old house wife is spending 250$ on a system and 50$ per game that she isn't even sure she will be using all that much.
Or at the very least, I have trouble believing that she will buy it for herself and not her entire family, which most probably already has gaming children.

Funny because the current trend with the Wii just disproved that little analogy you made there. :?

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[QUOTE="DireToad"][QUOTE="Redmoonxl2"][QUOTE="DireToad"]I sincerely doubt that the percentage of non-gamers who become hardcore, or even casual for that matter, is of any significance.Redmoonxl2

Why isn't it significant? If that group of nongamers is buying a game once every 3 to 4 months or even 2 games a year, that's still software being purchased. Lets say that a million of the 5 million Wii users are nongamers and every single one of them bought a simple game like a Wario Ware or Tiger Wood. That's still a million units of software being purchased.

I don't see how that's not significant.

I just have a hard time believing (and let's use the typical non-gamer stereotype here) that a 40 year old house wife is spending 250$ on a system and 50$ per game that she isn't even sure she will be using all that much.
Or at the very least, I have trouble believing that she will buy it for herself and not her entire family, which most probably already has gaming children.

Funny because the current trend with the Wii just disproved that little analogy you made there. :?

What trend?
I don't recall seeing house wives and old people desperately trying to find a Wii in every store in their city...
At least, not when I was desperately trying to find a Wii in every store in my city.

I don't know what is this trend you're speaking of.

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[QUOTE="Redmoonxl2"][QUOTE="DireToad"][QUOTE="Redmoonxl2"][QUOTE="DireToad"]I sincerely doubt that the percentage of non-gamers who become hardcore, or even casual for that matter, is of any significance.DireToad

Why isn't it significant? If that group of nongamers is buying a game once every 3 to 4 months or even 2 games a year, that's still software being purchased. Lets say that a million of the 5 million Wii users are nongamers and every single one of them bought a simple game like a Wario Ware or Tiger Wood. That's still a million units of software being purchased.

I don't see how that's not significant.

I just have a hard time believing (and let's use the typical non-gamer stereotype here) that a 40 year old house wife is spending 250$ on a system and 50$ per game that she isn't even sure she will be using all that much.
Or at the very least, I have trouble believing that she will buy it for herself and not her entire family, which most probably already has gaming children.

Funny because the current trend with the Wii just disproved that little analogy you made there. :?

What trend?
I don't recall seeing house wives and old people desperately trying to find a Wii in every store in their city...
At least, not when I was desperately trying to find a Wii in every store in my city.

I don't know what is this trend you're speaking of.

Are you seriously that blind? All I see are nongamers who are attracted by the thought of playing golf/tennis/baseball indoors looking for the Wii.

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[QUOTE="UssjTrunks"]Wasn't the cows' main argument last gen sales?2FacedJanus

No those were casuals, almost the same thing, casuals are non-gamers that have started to game. Basically all they played was Madden and GTA

Casuals and Non-gamers are one of the same. BTW i love how just becasue the Wii targets a new group, non-gamers, people automatically assume all games are made for non-gamers. Thats like saying the Xbox was MADE for FPS. and the PS2 was made for crap. While they may seem true each console allows for all sorts of games. The wii is just trying to save this industry from collapsing again (just as they did in the 80s) because Sony and Microsoft are killing the fun and only making CG looking animations with some control and calling them games.

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[QUOTE="DireToad"][QUOTE="Redmoonxl2"][QUOTE="DireToad"][QUOTE="Redmoonxl2"][QUOTE="DireToad"]I sincerely doubt that the percentage of non-gamers who become hardcore, or even casual for that matter, is of any significance.Redmoonxl2

Why isn't it significant? If that group of nongamers is buying a game once every 3 to 4 months or even 2 games a year, that's still software being purchased. Lets say that a million of the 5 million Wii users are nongamers and every single one of them bought a simple game like a Wario Ware or Tiger Wood. That's still a million units of software being purchased.

I don't see how that's not significant.

I just have a hard time believing (and let's use the typical non-gamer stereotype here) that a 40 year old house wife is spending 250$ on a system and 50$ per game that she isn't even sure she will be using all that much.
Or at the very least, I have trouble believing that she will buy it for herself and not her entire family, which most probably already has gaming children.

Funny because the current trend with the Wii just disproved that little analogy you made there. :?

What trend?
I don't recall seeing house wives and old people desperately trying to find a Wii in every store in their city...
At least, not when I was desperately trying to find a Wii in every store in my city.

I don't know what is this trend you're speaking of.

Are you seriously that blind? All I see are nongamers who are attracted by the thought of playing golf/tennis/baseball indoors looking for the Wii.

Maybe they're attracted, but are they actually spending the cash on it?

I do know that the Wii is probably the most popular (as in "for the people") console in a long time, but I still have trouble believing that non-gamers, people who essentially don't game at all, or not very much, will be spending 50$ per new game. A game that they essentially won't play very much.

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Maybe they're attracted, but are they actually spending the cash on it?DireToad

Well if they are actively going store to store looking for a Wii, one would assume they plan on spending cash to buy one. :|

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