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http://blogs.ign.com/ShishouMatt/2007/08/07/62622/p4

Good read. Kind of puts the whole Halo 3 graphics thing in perspective. I wonder if the muddied look is just a product of how we've come to look at games due to the Gears of War and the CoD 4's of the world, or if it's actually just more pleasing to look at.

Good post.

At the time of the Halo trailer I was wondering why so many people was dissapointed at it, specially Halo fans and I never really was a Hardcore Halo fan... Hell I had a lot of people almost cutting my head because I gave my personal opinion saying that I didn't find Killzone to be a hell of alot more impressive than Halo 3 in the graphical department...

I'm still wondering why people are bashing its graphics... yes it's true that we could put Halo into the Killzone situation of not living up to its... well, earlier footage. But, I can definitely say that the graphics are definitely of good quality in comparison to alot of games I have seen this gen bar some exceptions like Crysis.

Good read. Kind of puts the whole Halo 3 graphics thing in perspective. I wonder if the muddied look is just a product of how we've come to look at games due to the Gears of War and the CoD 4's of the world, or if it's actually just more pleasing to look at.

Ellipson

I'm mainly a Hermit and agree with you, Halo 3 back inthe beta I though it looked like **** while nicely coloured it lacked graphical fidelity all-round, but since then my opinion has greatly changed.

It looks better than KZ2 & CoD4 & Bioshock imo , its probably techincally the least impressive however.

[QUOTE="Ellipson"]

Good read. Kind of puts the whole Halo 3 graphics thing in perspective. I wonder if the muddied look is just a product of how we've come to look at games due to the Gears of War and the CoD 4's of the world, or if it's actually just more pleasing to look at.

Meu2k7

I'm mainly a Hermit and agree with you, Halo 3 back inthe beta I though it looked like **** while nicely coloured it lacked graphical fidelity all-round, but since then my opinion has greatly changed.

It looks better than KZ2 & CoD4 & Bioshock imo , its probably techincally the least impressive however.

[QUOTE="Meu2k7"][QUOTE="Ellipson"]

Good read. Kind of puts the whole Halo 3 graphics thing in perspective. I wonder if the muddied look is just a product of how we've come to look at games due to the Gears of War and the CoD 4's of the world, or if it's actually just more pleasing to look at.

Whiteknight19

I'm mainly a Hermit and agree with you, Halo 3 back inthe beta I though it looked like **** while nicely coloured it lacked graphical fidelity all-round, but since then my opinion has greatly changed.

It looks better than KZ2 & CoD4 & Bioshock imo , its probably techincally the least impressive however.

It's a shame Killzone can't do textures at all though isn't it.

[QUOTE="Meu2k7"][QUOTE="Ellipson"]

Good read. Kind of puts the whole Halo 3 graphics thing in perspective. I wonder if the muddied look is just a product of how we've come to look at games due to the Gears of War and the CoD 4's of the world, or if it's actually just more pleasing to look at.

Whiteknight19

I'm mainly a Hermit and agree with you, Halo 3 back inthe beta I though it looked like **** while nicely coloured it lacked graphical fidelity all-round, but since then my opinion has greatly changed.

It looks better than KZ2 & CoD4 & Bioshock imo , its probably techincally the least impressive however.

Apperently my final sentance didnt sink into you ... "Its probably the least technically impressive however".

Half-Life 2 failed to do full lighting? LOL do you even know what your talking about? S.T.A.L.K.E.R has it aswell, and practically every PC game in the last 4 years can do FSAA...

Killzone 2 is dreiry and miserable with the worst LIGHTENING (You know the electrical stuff not teh HDR!) I have ever seen.

Halo 3 is shiny, very nice textures, excellent models, and is much more pleaseing on the eyes.

The graphics may already be good but the point is; the game was suppose to look at least as good as the first trailer they showed off. And it's not happening. It's comming close but it's not matching, and that's pretty much hard ownage...munu9

you missed this part: the master chief model is the SAME as in the trailer, but with a different body armor texture.

Master chief always had the green one and not a shiney grained one......

[QUOTE="Whiteknight19"][QUOTE="Meu2k7"][QUOTE="Ellipson"]

Good read. Kind of puts the whole Halo 3 graphics thing in perspective. I wonder if the muddied look is just a product of how we've come to look at games due to the Gears of War and the CoD 4's of the world, or if it's actually just more pleasing to look at.

braydee1234

I'm mainly a Hermit and agree with you, Halo 3 back inthe beta I though it looked like **** while nicely coloured it lacked graphical fidelity all-round, but since then my opinion has greatly changed.

It looks better than KZ2 & CoD4 & Bioshock imo , its probably techincally the least impressive however.

It's a shame Killzone can't do textures at all though isn't it.

Wow...good read. Maybe the whole dark and colorless art direction thing really HAS clouded our senses.Verge_6

Indeed it has been doing that to people, Halo 3 being bashed about bad graphics, Crysis having "mundain graphics" ... because of thier lighter natures .... yet Games like Emozone2 (:P) get so much attention for giving people sad faces with its disugstingly grey nature.

[QUOTE="munu9"]The graphics may already be good but the point is; the game was suppose to look at least as good as the first trailer they showed off. And it's not happening. It's comming close but it's not matching, and that's pretty much hard ownage...furtherfan

you missed this part: the master chief model is the SAME as in the trailer, but with a different body armor texture.

Master chief always had the green one and not a shiney grained one......

yeah, different textures, downgraded textures =\ It simply doesn't look as good. The grainy one had higher detailed, the helmet also had better detail and looked better in the trailer. Overall, the graphics in the trailer were more amazing than the graphics that halo has now...

textures theres more Detailed Textures then Gears and Halo 3 put 2gether Whiteknight19

check again. try to keep it real. (and yes, it still looks amazing, but not thanks to textures)

yeah, different textures, downgraded textures =\ It simply doesn't look as good. The grainy one had higher detailed, the helmet also had better detail and looked better in the trailer. Overall, the graphics in the trailer were more amazing than the graphics that halo has now...

munu9

more bumpies and more shiney does not always mean better . i thought the shiney armor was ridiculous.

but i understand where you are from. this is your trailer revenge from all the PS3 games right.

time for you to learn the difference between cgi, inengine cinematics and gameplay. i never thought the trailer was gameplay

[QUOTE="Verge_6"]Wow...good read. Maybe the whole dark and colorless art direction thing really HAS clouded our senses.Meu2k7

Indeed it has been doing that to people, Halo 3 being bashed about bad graphics, Crysis having "mundain graphics" ... because of thier lighter natures .... yet Games like Emozone2 (:P) get so much attention for giving people sad faces with its disugstingly grey nature.

*looks at sigh* How can people complain about Crysis? That short footage alone shows me hundreads of things that put any next gen game to shame in the graphical department. Hell it's better to have that mundane graphical nature than to have a bunch of... umm whats the word I'm looking for here... ken dolls :P fighting and shooting the hell out of each other... Wich is mostly what Next Gen graphics has been showing me untill this point.

[QUOTE="Whiteknight19"][QUOTE="Meu2k7"][QUOTE="Ellipson"]

Good read. Kind of puts the whole Halo 3 graphics thing in perspective. I wonder if the muddied look is just a product of how we've come to look at games due to the Gears of War and the CoD 4's of the world, or if it's actually just more pleasing to look at.

braydee1234

I'm mainly a Hermit and agree with you, Halo 3 back inthe beta I though it looked like **** while nicely coloured it lacked graphical fidelity all-round, but since then my opinion has greatly changed.

It looks better than KZ2 & CoD4 & Bioshock imo , its probably techincally the least impressive however.

It's a shame Killzone can't do textures at all though isn't it.

At least KZ is natively rendered at 720p. Not at 600ish p like H3.

[QUOTE="braydee1234"][QUOTE="Whiteknight19"][QUOTE="Meu2k7"][QUOTE="Ellipson"]

Good read. Kind of puts the whole Halo 3 graphics thing in perspective. I wonder if the muddied look is just a product of how we've come to look at games due to the Gears of War and the CoD 4's of the world, or if it's actually just more pleasing to look at.

Whiteknight19

I'm mainly a Hermit and agree with you, Halo 3 back inthe beta I though it looked like **** while nicely coloured it lacked graphical fidelity all-round, but since then my opinion has greatly changed.

It looks better than KZ2 & CoD4 & Bioshock imo , its probably techincally the least impressive however.

It's a shame Killzone can't do textures at all though isn't it.

What the hell are you? Killzone has better textures than Halo Gears and HL2?

Is there any chance the rest of us can get some of what you're smoking?

[QUOTE="braydee1234"][QUOTE="Whiteknight19"][QUOTE="Meu2k7"][QUOTE="Ellipson"]

Good read. Kind of puts the whole Halo 3 graphics thing in perspective. I wonder if the muddied look is just a product of how we've come to look at games due to the Gears of War and the CoD 4's of the world, or if it's actually just more pleasing to look at.

Whiteknight19

I'm mainly a Hermit and agree with you, Halo 3 back inthe beta I though it looked like **** while nicely coloured it lacked graphical fidelity all-round, but since then my opinion has greatly changed.

It looks better than KZ2 & CoD4 & Bioshock imo , its probably techincally the least impressive however.

It's a shame Killzone can't do textures at all though isn't it.

Not enough memory bandwidth. What good is the eDRAM if you cant feed it fast enough? UMA and using Xenos for the memory controller for the win.

At least KZ is natively rendered at 720p. Not at 600ish p like H3.

iwo4life

mind if i use this quote for my sig?

[QUOTE="furtherfan"]

[QUOTE="munu9"]The graphics may already be good but the point is; the game was suppose to look at least as good as the first trailer they showed off. And it's not happening. It's comming close but it's not matching, and that's pretty much hard ownage...munu9

you missed this part: the master chief model is the SAME as in the trailer, but with a different body armor texture.

Master chief always had the green one and not a shiney grained one......

yeah, different textures, downgraded textures =\ It simply doesn't look as good. The grainy one had higher detailed, the helmet also had better detail and looked better in the trailer. Overall, the graphics in the trailer were more amazing than the graphics that halo has now...

I agree with you, I too find the new MC model underwhelming. We were promised that you'd even be able to see the ammo counter reflected in his visor, but that hasn't quite come to fruition. The texture on his armor was the prettiest part of the E3 06 trailer in my opinion, but now it looks disappointingly smooth. Thankfully the environments still look, for the most part, on par with what we saw.

[QUOTE="iwo4life"]

At least KZ is natively rendered at 720p. Not at 600ish p like H3.

furtherfan

mind if i use this quote for my sig?

Sure. Go ahead.

[QUOTE="braydee1234"][QUOTE="Whiteknight19"][QUOTE="Meu2k7"][QUOTE="Ellipson"]

Good read. Kind of puts the whole Halo 3 graphics thing in perspective. I wonder if the muddied look is just a product of how we've come to look at games due to the Gears of War and the CoD 4's of the world, or if it's actually just more pleasing to look at.

iwo4life

I'm mainly a Hermit and agree with you, Halo 3 back inthe beta I though it looked like **** while nicely coloured it lacked graphical fidelity all-round, but since then my opinion has greatly changed.

It looks better than KZ2 & CoD4 & Bioshock imo , its probably techincally the least impressive however.

It's a shame Killzone can't do textures at all though isn't it.

At least KZ is natively rendered at 720p. Not at 600ish p like H3.

again. What? where do you pull crap like this from?

[QUOTE="iwo4life"]

At least KZ is natively rendered at 720p. Not at 600ish p like H3.

furtherfan

mind if i use this quote for my sig?

:lol:

[QUOTE="iwo4life"][QUOTE="braydee1234"][QUOTE="Whiteknight19"][QUOTE="Meu2k7"][QUOTE="Ellipson"]

Good read. Kind of puts the whole Halo 3 graphics thing in perspective. I wonder if the muddied look is just a product of how we've come to look at games due to the Gears of War and the CoD 4's of the world, or if it's actually just more pleasing to look at.

braydee1234

I'm mainly a Hermit and agree with you, Halo 3 back inthe beta I though it looked like **** while nicely coloured it lacked graphical fidelity all-round, but since then my opinion has greatly changed.

It looks better than KZ2 & CoD4 & Bioshock imo , its probably techincally the least impressive however.

It's a shame Killzone can't do textures at all though isn't it.

At least KZ is natively rendered at 720p. Not at 600ish p like H3.

again. What? where do you pull crap like this from?

http://forum.beyond3d.com/showthread.php?t=43330

Just a theory. Interesting read. Even more interesting if true.

[QUOTE="iwo4life"][QUOTE="braydee1234"][QUOTE="iwo4life"][QUOTE="braydee1234"][QUOTE="Whiteknight19"][QUOTE="Meu2k7"][QUOTE="Ellipson"]

Good read. Kind of puts the whole Halo 3 graphics thing in perspective. I wonder if the muddied look is just a product of how we've come to look at games due to the Gears of War and the CoD 4's of the world, or if it's actually just more pleasing to look at.

braydee1234

I'm mainly a Hermit and agree with you, Halo 3 back inthe beta I though it looked like **** while nicely coloured it lacked graphical fidelity all-round, but since then my opinion has greatly changed.

It looks better than KZ2 & CoD4 & Bioshock imo , its probably techincally the least impressive however.

It's a shame Killzone can't do textures at all though isn't it.

At least KZ is natively rendered at 720p. Not at 600ish p like H3.

again. What? where do you pull crap like this from?

http://forum.beyond3d.com/showthread.php?t=43330

Just a theory. Interesting read. Even more interesting if true.

I'll read after I post that using a PS3 forum is bound to pull out pointless rumours. Eg. I heard killzone only changes the graphical engine from KZ1. They're actually changing nothing about the gameplay. So you've got alot to look forward to.

Beyond3d is hardly a PS3 forum. Plenty of devs post there. It isn't just a rumour there is actual scientific method going in to prove that an image is scaled rather than the native resolution.

They're actually changing nothing about the gameplay. So you've got alot to look forward to.braydee1234

That's a negative, Ghost Rider. They are adding a cover dynamic to the game, except for once it will all happen completely in the first-person view -- none of this third-person stuff we've seen in Rainbow Six Vegas or Brothers in Arms. You can also use the iron-sights on your weapon, Call of Duty-style. They are also adding some vehicles. Not the most imaginative additions, but the gameplay is being changed.

I trust Bungie over forum users.

braydee1234

They did not refute this. I trust my own eyes rather than marketing from some game company. It isn't like it is just something said by someone. There are screen grabs from MS and Bungie themselves that show under magnification that AA edges are not the proper proportion like they would be if the game was native 720p. From the screens you can tell a properly rendered image vs one that has been scaled and you can also aproximate the native rez. Other games have been outed using the same method are The Darkness for PS3, COD3, THP8, PGR3.

I think there is some truth in the "muddy look" thing, but I think beauty is in the eye of the beholder in this case also. Some people prefer the bland realistic look like seen for e.g. in Stalker, while others think that every game that isn't bright and shiny like Oblivion automatically looks like crap.

In any case Halo3 looks very nice imo, not the best looking game around, but certainly good looking enough.

[QUOTE="furtherfan"][QUOTE="iwo4life"]

At least KZ is natively rendered at 720p. Not at 600ish p like H3.

ToScA-

mind if i use this quote for my sig?

:lol:

thats a quote right there, "600ish" PRICELESS!!!

Halo fans am cry?iwo4life

iwo4life go school?

There. Art style is all that matters at graphics of this level.

good post.

i think in terms of lighting and animation games like COD4, KZ2 and gears will still have the upper hand. but halo3 is now way near as bad graphically as i had initially thought.

sounds great.

[QUOTE="iwo4life"]Halo fans am cry?redstormrisen

iwo4life go school?

There. Art style is all that matters at graphics of this level.

You must be busy insulting everyone that ever used that form in a message board.

Classy.

[QUOTE="ToScA-"][QUOTE="furtherfan"][QUOTE="iwo4life"]

At least KZ is natively rendered at 720p. Not at 600ish p like H3.

Tom_Brady860

mind if i use this quote for my sig?

:lol:

thats a quote right there, "600ish" PRICELESS!!!

hey thats 600ish p. Get it right.

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http://blogs.ign.com/ShishouMatt/2007/08/07/62622/p4furtherfan

Great post and fantastic insight. Never really thought of it that way.

lmao @ emozone 2 ..........even the nes could support more than 8 colors!qbell

the game will feature more colors when youre in a level that isnt taking place at night... during a thunderstorm..