Exclusive and Time exclusive please read.

[QUOTE="RaveRabbid"]

No, the PC is adifferent animal altogether. Most people exclude the PC because of the high price tag (assuming the mass gaming population knows how to build one). Higher than consoles.

Ellipson

PS3's Are more expensive than 360's and Wii's. I'm excluding them from Console Wars because of the high price tag.

I'm not excluding them from anything period. You want to use the term pc in any combination with the term exclusive, be my guest. I'm offering reasons why PCs are a different animal altogether. One of them being price tag. The other is controls. Then you need to build it or else the cost increases exponentially etc. Both time and money. From a average console gamers point of view, any console is a viable option but the PC...... not so much. However, for you and me, everything is an option.

the way i look at is this: cows, as a ps3 owner, also have in thier(loyalties) a psp, ps2 and ps1

sheep have the Wii, ds, gba, ect.

and herms have....and this is the way i see it, and i LIKE IT. Herms have 360, xbox, and PC......because MS is the leading innovater of PC's no matter what anyone says or how much they hate MS. so as a lemm, we get both 360 and PC because they are brothers. ITS GOOD TO BE A GAMER

and pc (alone) has: insert every pc brand here. area 51, aurora, ect, ect.....see my point?

jazreal

you cant assume that someone who buys a PS3 will also own every other sony system made. the same with nintendo and microsoft. and especially with the PC. PC gamers are definately not loyal to Microsoft. people get different systems based on what games they have. if a PC gamer can play the best 360 games already on the PC, then why bother with the 360? that doesnt make much sense.

I'm pretty sure I know why this whole thing was even brought up.

Anytime a hardcore cow or sheep starts an arguement with a lemming about games, the same thing always happens. Usually each "side" lists whatever games they think "destroys" the other console's lineup, but anytime a 360-fan lists a game that is shared with the PC, most cows and sheep immediately hide behind the PC (Even though it's very likely that they don't game on the PC, or their PC is incapable of playing said 360 games, let alone at comparible quality) and say things like this example:

GeoW= coming to pc. Doesn't count. :lol: Bioshock= Better on PC. Doesn't count. :lol:

....and so on, and so on, and they dismiss these game like they honestly don't exist. Well, that does put 360-fans at a disadvantage when trying to hold their ground on an arguement. There IS an obvious solution, it's called logic:

If a particular sheep or cow is arguing that the Wii or PS3 has better games and dismisses any 360 game that is on the PC.... Well... That arguement shouldn't hold any water. Because if someone is trying to back up The PS3 or Wii, and you bring up several games that ARE NOT on the PS3 or Wii.... then you win, and that's all that matters. It doesn't matter if it's on PC, simply because it's not on the Wii or the PS3. They were originally arguing about the Wii or PS3, not the PC. If they game on a worthy PC, whatever, that's fine, but it doesn't mean a thing if they were trying to back up their PS3 or Wii in an arguement, because they don't have those particular 360 games.

BUT, I doubt ANY hardcore fanboy will see the logic in that... let alone accept it and move on...

TripleXAlexXx

[QUOTE="NerdMan"][QUOTE="RaveRabbid"][QUOTE="Ellipson"]

[QUOTE="RaveRabbid"]Wii60exclusive??? You could perhaps use the term 360 exclusive but not Wii60 exclusive since that means the game is on both the Wii and 360. The console exclusive argument is true and completely sound. For those who can't pay the high price for a high end PC or don't like the keyboard & mouse controls or perhaps other reasons, will look to buy one of the consoles to play XYZ game. This is a plight of the casual console gamer.RaveRabbid

You missed my point. Throw out the terms I used, just like you want to. I excluded the PS3 and PC for no reason at all, just like you wanted to exclude the PC for no reason. Without considering those too, Oblivion is an exclusive to the 360 because you can't play it on Wii.

See what I did there?

No, the PC is a different animal altogether. Most people exclude the PC because of the high price tag (assuming the mass gaming population knows how to build one). Higher than consoles.

You really don't like losing to the PC do you?

Losing to PC??? From what angle?? I have a PC. I guess I lost... LOL. Last time I checked, I was determing the meaning and relevance of the word console exclusive instead of arguing if PC was any good as a gaming platform. Perhaps I missed something??? I feel like I'm getting under your skin because you can't prove your point.

Yes, your utter refusal to accept a widely accepted and logical statement is rather annoying. Yes, I understand what you're saying about "console" exclusives and what they mean. What you don't understand is that IT DOESN'T MATTER. For crying out loud, this is System Wars. If something's exclusive, it's because it CANNOT be played on any other SYSTEM. I don't care if it's the 360, Wii, PS3, PS2, Atari 2600, PC, whatever.

So just to say it again, in case it somehow slipped by you in the 50 or so posts previous to this one. Saying a game is console exclusive is totally IRRELEVANT here.

I'm pretty sure I know why this whole thing was even brought up.

Anytime a hardcore cow or sheep starts an arguement with a lemming about games, the same thing always happens. Usually each "side" lists whatever games they think "destroys" the other console's lineup, but anytime a 360-fan lists a game that is shared with the PC, most cows and sheep immediately hide behind the PC (Even though it's very likely that they don't game on the PC, or their PC is incapable of playing said 360 games, let alone at comparible quality) and say things like this example:

GeoW= coming to pc. Doesn't count. :lol: Bioshock= Better on PC. Doesn't count. :lol:

....and so on, and so on, and they dismiss these game like they honestly don't exist. Well, that does put 360-fans at a disadvantage when trying to hold their ground on an arguement. There IS an obvious solution, it's called logic:

If a particular sheep or cow is arguing that the Wii or PS3 has better games and dismisses any 360 game that is on the PC.... Well... That arguement shouldn't hold any water. Because if someone is trying to back up The PS3 or Wii, and you bring up several games that ARE NOT on the PS3 or Wii.... then you win, and that's all that matters. It doesn't matter if it's on PC, simply because it's not on the Wii or the PS3. They were originally arguing about the Wii or PS3, not the PC. If they game on a worthy PC, whatever, that's fine, but it doesn't mean a thing if they were trying to back up their PS3 or Wii in an arguement, because they don't have those particular 360 games.

BUT, I doubt ANY hardcore fanboy will see the logic in that... let alone accept it and move on...

TripleXAlexXx

Just because it "isn't fair" to 360 owners doesn't make it okay to exclude PC's. They still exist. They are still part of system wars. If a sheep and a cow are arguing about which one has better exclusives, do you think it would be fair for PS3 to exclude 360? That doesn't seem to be the case, so I don't see why 360 should be allowed to exclude PC.

[QUOTE="Ellipson"][QUOTE="RaveRabbid"]

No, the PC is adifferent animal altogether. Most people exclude the PC because of the high price tag (assuming the mass gaming population knows how to build one). Higher than consoles.

NerdMan

PS3's Are more expensive than 360's and Wii's. I'm excluding them from Console Wars because of the high price tag.

Exactly, all it really takes to upgrade a standardish PC to a gaming PC is around $500, the cost of a PS3 and some controllers.

For the average consumer, yes its far more expensive. Why do you think the PS3 is struggling to pass the 90,000 units sold per month in U.S. (the biggest market in the world)...... perhaps the price has something to do with it but...... atleast you get blu-ray with it.

[QUOTE="jazreal"]

i understand, as i explained in another thread already ;) im talking about a game "unlike Oblivion". a game that is only on one console. so please re-apply that to my point.

and as far as most games going to pc from MS, that doesnt bother me one bit. infact, if you keep to the whole "defending ones console with a passion" , which is what all of this comes down to most of the times here.......it really doesnt matter to me if a game goes from 360 to pc. MS caters to both anyway.

you see, the way i look at is this: cows, as a ps3 owner, also have in thier(loyalties) a psp, ps2 and ps1

sheep have the Wii, ds, gba, ect.

and herms have....and this is the way i see it, and i LIKE IT. Herms have 360, xbox, and PC......because MS is the leading innovater of PC's no matter what anyone says or how much they hate MS. so as a lemm, we get both 360 and PC because they are brothers. ITS GOOD TO BE A GAMER

ShockerD19

i wasnt looking through any other threads ;) and im talking about a game like Gears of War. a lot of PC users didnt get a 360 because they knew it would eventually come to the PC. and hey, now it is, and with extra content.

games going to PC from 360 may not bother you, but its the number one reason why a lot of PC gamers never buy into the xbox brand.

and youre incorrect for assuming that someone who buys a PS3 also has a PSP/PS2/PS1/etc. same with Wii owners and especially with PC owners. for one, a large amount of PC owners are known to dislike microsoft. if they could game on Linux without having to use Windows OS theyd probably jump at the chance. PC owners are only your brothers in the context that they get most of the 360's good games. it's pretty much like your older brother taking advantage of the little brother. PC owners will get Wiis or PS3s before they go for 360s.

ShockerD19

[QUOTE="xscrapzx"]

I'm going to answer it the best I can. A pc is a personal computer that can be modified, and customized to the users needs. A console is a game console, its pretty much confined to playing games, atleast that is its main purpose. With technology growing a console has changed very much but not in the way a PC can. The bottom line is that consoles do not compete with PCs. So if that statment is not true on what I just said that means that the PSP is competition with the 360, going by what you are saying, because I mean they all play similar games. I mean the pc, and I dont care what you say about it, it is a different animal than a console, and always will be. So sense the pc is a different thing all together how can you say it is the same as a console. The 360 competes with PS3 as to who is the king of consoles, the pc compete with macs, so if the 360 has a game that is not on the ps3 than that should stand as exclusive because it is not available on the PS3 or the Wii. Thats my point

CaseyWegner

hardware sales are irrelevent when comparing game lineups but i'll play along a little bit just to disprove the whole "pc doesn't compete with consoles" argument. ya know why i don't own a 360? it's because most of the games i'd want for it are on the pc or coming to the pc. another reason why i don't own one is that i chose to buy a psp instead of a 360. i had the money for only one and i made a choice. to say that there is no competition among the pc, consoles, and handhelds just isn't true.

they may be different animals but they're all animals that can do the same thing...play games.

i'll say it again (and i'll keep saying it until you accept it because it's an absolute truth) if a game can be played on more than one platform it's not exclusive.

i played kotor on the pc a few months ago. was that a figment of my imagination because according to you it's an xbox exclusive?

Listen I understand the fact of muliple platforms, and the fact that pc is a gaming platform because it is capable of playing games. My point is that a console is a console. A pc is a pc. Console are in competition with consoles, I mean I just think that if you have a 360 game that is only on the 360 as far as CONSOLES go then I think that it is ok to say a console exclusive. But if you look at the BIG PICTURE outside of consoles, and then look at pcs and handhelds it is not exclusive.

[QUOTE="Ellipson"][QUOTE="RaveRabbid"]

No, the PC is adifferent animal altogether. Most people exclude the PC because of the high price tag (assuming the mass gaming population knows how to build one). Higher than consoles.

RaveRabbid

PS3's Are more expensive than 360's and Wii's. I'm excluding them from Console Wars because of the high price tag.

I'm not excluding them from anything period. You want to use the term pc in any combination with the term exclusive, be my guest. I'm offering reasons why PCs are a different animal altogether. One of them being price tag. The other is controls. Then you need to build it or else the cost increases exponentially etc. Both time and money. From a average console gamers point of view, any console is a viable option but the PC...... not so much. However, for you and me, everything is an option.

Everything is technically an option. PC Gaming, 360, and PS3 are not an option for a lot of folks because of the price tag, same old control scheme, et cetera hence the flocking of casual gamers to the Wii. Just because some folks consider something not an option doesn't make it less relevant in System Wars.

[QUOTE="TripleXAlexXx"]

I'm pretty sure I know why this whole thing was even brought up.

Anytime a hardcore cow or sheep starts an arguement with a lemming about games, the same thing always happens. Usually each "side" lists whatever games they think "destroys" the other console's lineup, but anytime a 360-fan lists a game that is shared with the PC, most cows and sheep immediately hide behind the PC (Even though it's very likely that they don't game on the PC, or their PC is incapable of playing said 360 games, let alone at comparible quality) and say things like this example:

GeoW= coming to pc. Doesn't count. :lol: Bioshock= Better on PC. Doesn't count. :lol:

....and so on, and so on, and they dismiss these game like they honestly don't exist. Well, that does put 360-fans at a disadvantage when trying to hold their ground on an arguement. There IS an obvious solution, it's called logic:

If a particular sheep or cow is arguing that the Wii or PS3 has better games and dismisses any 360 game that is on the PC.... Well... That arguement shouldn't hold any water. Because if someone is trying to back up The PS3 or Wii, and you bring up several games that ARE NOT on the PS3 or Wii.... then you win, and that's all that matters. It doesn't matter if it's on PC, simply because it's not on the Wii or the PS3. They were originally arguing about the Wii or PS3, not the PC. If they game on a worthy PC, whatever, that's fine, but it doesn't mean a thing if they were trying to back up their PS3 or Wii in an arguement, because they don't have those particular 360 games.

BUT, I doubt ANY hardcore fanboy will see the logic in that... let alone accept it and move on...

ShockerD19

Bioshock isnt exclusive. Gears is exclusive for now, so you could argue for that one. if youre arguing which system has better exclusives between the PS3/Wii/360, you still have to acknowledge when a game is also on the PC. its not like the PC magically disappears. but i suppose if you said, "lets decide which console has the best exclusives to it, disregard the PC for now." its a little odd, but you could do that.

Listen I understand the fact of muliple platforms, and the fact that pc is a gaming platform because it is capable of playing games. My point is that a console is a console. A pc is a pc. Console are in competition with consoles, I mean I just think that if you have a 360 game that is only on the 360 as far as CONSOLES go then I think that it is ok to say a console exclusive. But if you look at the BIG PICTURE outside of consoles, and then look at pcs and handhelds it is not exclusive.

xscrapzx

this is system wars and you're still trying to exclude one of the systems. they are all competing. gamespot doesn't distinguish them either. their goty award can go to any platform.

[QUOTE="RaveRabbid"][QUOTE="Ellipson"][QUOTE="RaveRabbid"]

No, the PC is adifferent animal altogether. Most people exclude the PC because of the high price tag (assuming the mass gaming population knows how to build one). Higher than consoles.

Ellipson

PS3's Are more expensive than 360's and Wii's. I'm excluding them from Console Wars because of the high price tag.

I'm not excluding them from anything period. You want to use the term pc in any combination with the term exclusive, be my guest. I'm offering reasons why PCs are a different animal altogether. One of them being price tag. The other is controls. Then you need to build it or else the cost increases exponentially etc. Both time and money. From a average console gamers point of view, any console is a viable option but the PC...... not so much. However, for you and me, everything is an option.

Everything is technically an option. PC Gaming, 360, and PS3 are not an option for a lot of folks because of the price tag, same old control scheme, et cetera hence the flocking of casual gamers to the Wii. Just because some folks consider something not an option doesn't make it less relevant in System Wars.

I want to discuss this some more but it seems like there are road blocks (as mentioned in my previous posts) so perhaps another time or you can pvt message me and we can go at it.

[QUOTE="xscrapzx"]

Listen I understand the fact of muliple platforms, and the fact that pc is a gaming platform because it is capable of playing games. My point is that a console is a console. A pc is a pc. Console are in competition with consoles, I mean I just think that if you have a 360 game that is only on the 360 as far as CONSOLES go then I think that it is ok to say a console exclusive. But if you look at the BIG PICTURE outside of consoles, and then look at pcs and handhelds it is not exclusive.

CaseyWegner

this is system wars and you're still trying to exclude one of the systems. they are all competing. gamespot doesn't distinguish them either. their goty award can go to any platform.

Thats great, and I understand that. I have a question for you, is a pc a console?

I'm not going to post on this topic anymore since some you are reporting me to the mods regarding disruptive posting. It may even be a mod. I guess thats what happens if you can't win an argument, you try other tactics. Ohhh well. I've made my argument and the term will be used on system wars for years to come. Again, I won't be posting on this topic anymore so need to reply.RaveRabbid

reporting you to the mods? hello. i've been posting in this thread since it began. i can see when your quote chains exceed the five quote limit. nobody is reporting you. :|

Casey probably nailed you for having more than 5 quotes in a quote chain. He gets people for that without it getting reported even if he isn't posting in the thread. A moderator is in this thread, probably saw you do it, then modded you.Ellipson

I doubt thats the reason. It happened again for disruptive posting. Like I said, "other tactics". You do what you can in your power. Anyway, it was nice talking to some people who are willing to discuss a controversial topic without resorting to flaming and other nonsense.

[QUOTE="xscrapzx"]

Listen I understand the fact of muliple platforms, and the fact that pc is a gaming platform because it is capable of playing games. My point is that a console is a console. A pc is a pc. Console are in competition with consoles, I mean I just think that if you have a 360 game that is only on the 360 as far as CONSOLES go then I think that it is ok to say a console exclusive. But if you look at the BIG PICTURE outside of consoles, and then look at pcs and handhelds it is not exclusive.

CaseyWegner

this is system wars and you're still trying to exclude one of the systems. they are all competing. gamespot doesn't distinguish them either. their goty award can go to any platform.

I'm not trying to exclude them though. When an argument comes up against the PS3, and the 360 about exclusives. You should be able to say Gears of War as one of them, and the PS3 fan should be able to say MGS4. That should be valid amongst CONSOLES because niether the Wii nor the PS3 as Gears of War. A PC is a personal computer, the 360 is a gaming console. So When comparing Consoles(not pcs) you should be able to say that is exclusive.

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"][QUOTE="xscrapzx"]

Listen I understand the fact of muliple platforms, and the fact that pc is a gaming platform because it is capable of playing games. My point is that a console is a console. A pc is a pc. Console are in competition with consoles, I mean I just think that if you have a 360 game that is only on the 360 as far as CONSOLES go then I think that it is ok to say a console exclusive. But if you look at the BIG PICTURE outside of consoles, and then look at pcs and handhelds it is not exclusive.

xscrapzx

this is system wars and you're still trying to exclude one of the systems. they are all competing. gamespot doesn't distinguish them either. their goty award can go to any platform.

Thats great, and I understand that. I have a question for you, is a pc a console?

i've already mentioned that it's not and that the distinction doesn't matter.

[QUOTE="Ellipson"]Casey probably nailed you for having more than 5 quotes in a quote chain. He gets people for that without it getting reported even if he isn't posting in the thread. A moderator is in this thread, probably saw you do it, then modded you.RaveRabbid

I doubt thats the reason. It happened again for disruptive posting. Like I said, "other tactics". You do what you can in your power. Anyway, it was nice talking to some people who are willing to discuss a controversial topic without resorting to flaming and other nonsense.

Ah, check again. Casey posted above you.

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"][QUOTE="xscrapzx"]

Listen I understand the fact of muliple platforms, and the fact that pc is a gaming platform because it is capable of playing games. My point is that a console is a console. A pc is a pc. Console are in competition with consoles, I mean I just think that if you have a 360 game that is only on the 360 as far as CONSOLES go then I think that it is ok to say a console exclusive. But if you look at the BIG PICTURE outside of consoles, and then look at pcs and handhelds it is not exclusive.

xscrapzx

this is system wars and you're still trying to exclude one of the systems. they are all competing. gamespot doesn't distinguish them either. their goty award can go to any platform.

I'm not trying to exclude them though. When an argument comes up against the PS3, and the 360 about exclusives. You should be able to say Gears of War as one of them, and the PS3 fan should be able to say MGS4. That should be valid amongst CONSOLES because niether the Wii nor the PS3 as Gears of War. A PC is a personal computer, the 360 is a gaming console. So When comparing Consoles(not pcs) you should be able to say that is exclusive.

find a better term then. exclusive is the wrong word every time it's used.

[QUOTE="RaveRabbid"]I'm not going to post on this topic anymore since some you are reporting me to the mods regarding disruptive posting. It may even be a mod. I guess thats what happens if you can't win an argument, you try other tactics. Ohhh well. I've made my argument and the term will be used on system wars for years to come. Again, I won't be posting on this topic anymore so need to reply.CaseyWegner

reporting you to the mods? hello. i've been posting in this thread since it began. i can see when your quote chains exceed the five quote limit. nobody is reporting you. :|

There are many offenders like that in this thread but I bet no one else got it. More importantly you broke the 5 quote chain in this thread atleast once. Call it what you will but you are not fooling anybody. Peace out.

[QUOTE="xscrapzx"][QUOTE="CaseyWegner"][QUOTE="xscrapzx"]

Listen I understand the fact of muliple platforms, and the fact that pc is a gaming platform because it is capable of playing games. My point is that a console is a console. A pc is a pc. Console are in competition with consoles, I mean I just think that if you have a 360 game that is only on the 360 as far as CONSOLES go then I think that it is ok to say a console exclusive. But if you look at the BIG PICTURE outside of consoles, and then look at pcs and handhelds it is not exclusive.

CaseyWegner

this is system wars and you're still trying to exclude one of the systems. they are all competing. gamespot doesn't distinguish them either. their goty award can go to any platform.

Thats great, and I understand that. I have a question for you, is a pc a console?

i've already mentioned that it's not and that the distinction doesn't matter.

Come on your killing me! ;) It should matter though. Its like comparing apples and oranges.

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

[QUOTE="RaveRabbid"]I'm not going to post on this topic anymore since some you are reporting me to the mods regarding disruptive posting. It may even be a mod. I guess thats what happens if you can't win an argument, you try other tactics. Ohhh well. I've made my argument and the term will be used on system wars for years to come. Again, I won't be posting on this topic anymore so need to reply.RaveRabbid

reporting you to the mods? hello. i've been posting in this thread since it began. i can see when your quote chains exceed the five quote limit. nobody is reporting you. :|

There are many offenders like that in this thread but I bet no one else got it. More importantly you broke the 5 quote chain in this thread atleast once. Call it what you will but you are not fooling anybody. Peace out.

no. you're the only one who has gone over five quotes. :|

[QUOTE="xscrapzx"][QUOTE="CaseyWegner"][QUOTE="xscrapzx"]

Listen I understand the fact of muliple platforms, and the fact that pc is a gaming platform because it is capable of playing games. My point is that a console is a console. A pc is a pc. Console are in competition with consoles, I mean I just think that if you have a 360 game that is only on the 360 as far as CONSOLES go then I think that it is ok to say a console exclusive. But if you look at the BIG PICTURE outside of consoles, and then look at pcs and handhelds it is not exclusive.

CaseyWegner

this is system wars and you're still trying to exclude one of the systems. they are all competing. gamespot doesn't distinguish them either. their goty award can go to any platform.

I'm not trying to exclude them though. When an argument comes up against the PS3, and the 360 about exclusives. You should be able to say Gears of War as one of them, and the PS3 fan should be able to say MGS4. That should be valid amongst CONSOLES because niether the Wii nor the PS3 as Gears of War. A PC is a personal computer, the 360 is a gaming console. So When comparing Consoles(not pcs) you should be able to say that is exclusive.

find a better term then. exclusive is the wrong word every time it's used.

Oh Oh see I'm getting something from you then. See now you are seeing. So then we should be able as consoles owners have a new word then for it.

[QUOTE="xscrapzx"][QUOTE="CaseyWegner"][QUOTE="xscrapzx"]

Listen I understand the fact of muliple platforms, and the fact that pc is a gaming platform because it is capable of playing games. My point is that a console is a console. A pc is a pc. Console are in competition with consoles, I mean I just think that if you have a 360 game that is only on the 360 as far as CONSOLES go then I think that it is ok to say a console exclusive. But if you look at the BIG PICTURE outside of consoles, and then look at pcs and handhelds it is not exclusive.

CaseyWegner

this is system wars and you're still trying to exclude one of the systems. they are all competing. gamespot doesn't distinguish them either. their goty award can go to any platform.

Thats great, and I understand that. I have a question for you, is a pc a console?

i've already mentioned that it's not and that the distinction doesn't matter.

Come on your killing me! ;) It should matter though. Its like comparing apples and oranges.

xscrapzx

this isn't the apple wars forum. it's the fruit wars forum.

[QUOTE="xscrapzx"]

Come on your killing me! ;) It should matter though. Its like comparing apples and oranges.

CaseyWegner

this isn't the apple wars forum. it's the fruit wars forum.

So what an apple is not a fruit now?!?!?!

I'm pretty sure I know why this whole thing was even brought up.

Anytime a hardcore cow or sheep starts an arguement with a lemming about games, the same thing always happens. Usually each "side" lists whatever games they think "destroys" the other console's lineup, but anytime a 360-fan lists a game that is shared with the PC, most cows and sheep immediately hide behind the PC (Even though it's very likely that they don't game on the PC, or their PC is incapable of playing said 360 games, let alone at comparible quality) and say things like this example:

GeoW= coming to pc. Doesn't count. :lol: Bioshock= Better on PC. Doesn't count. :lol:

....and so on, and so on, and they dismiss these game like they honestly don't exist. Well, that does put 360-fans at a disadvantage when trying to hold their ground on an arguement. There IS an obvious solution, it's called logic:

If a particular sheep or cow is arguing that the Wii or PS3 has better games and dismisses any 360 game that is on the PC.... Well... That arguement shouldn't hold any water. Because if someone is trying to back up The PS3 or Wii, and you bring up several games that ARE NOT on the PS3 or Wii.... then you win, and that's all that matters. It doesn't matter if it's on PC, simply because it's not on the Wii or the PS3. They were originally arguing about the Wii or PS3, not the PC. If they game on a worthy PC, whatever, that's fine, but it doesn't mean a thing if they were trying to back up their PS3 or Wii in an arguement, because they don't have those particular 360 games.

BUT, I doubt ANY hardcore fanboy will see the logic in that... let alone accept it and move on...

TripleXAlexXx

peace you guys, im gonna go play some games :P

what?!?!!?! why?!?!? you just dismissed someones point with" it doesnt matter". come on bro, you are pretty intelligent, you can do better than, "it doesnt matter". at least explain why you feal that way??????jazreal

Multiple people have stated it multiple times. Both play games. Both share games. Many of the games they share are the exact same and provide the same experience. The only reason you're excluding PC's is because of "other things it does," which is a moot point. As long as they both play the same games, who cares?

[QUOTE="xscrapzx"]

Come on your killing me! ;) It should matter though. Its like comparing apples and oranges.

CaseyWegner

this isn't the apple wars forum. it's the fruit wars forum.

Oh snap! Now that's a good analogy!

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"][QUOTE="xscrapzx"]

Come on your killing me! ;) It should matter though. Its like comparing apples and oranges.

xscrapzx

this isn't the apple wars forum. it's the fruit wars forum.

So what an apple is not a fruit now?!?!?!

That's what YOU'RE saying.

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"][QUOTE="xscrapzx"]

Come on your killing me! ;) It should matter though. Its like comparing apples and oranges.

xscrapzx

this isn't the apple wars forum. it's the fruit wars forum.

So what an apple is not a fruit now?!?!?!

let's say that apple = console and orange = pc. why are you trying to exclude oranges from the fruit wars?

once again, THIS IS what it all comes down too. you hit it on the head and said exactly what i was trying to say about the 'WHY does it matter' question asked of me to begin with.

peace you guys, im gonna go play some games :P

jazreal

We already posted rebuttals to that. Go a couple of pages back because I'm sick of repeating the same arguments over and over.

Jazreal list I have someone on myside on this whole thing, I appreciate it. :Pxscrapzx

[QUOTE="xscrapzx"][QUOTE="CaseyWegner"][QUOTE="xscrapzx"]

Come on your killing me! ;) It should matter though. Its like comparing apples and oranges.

CaseyWegner

this isn't the apple wars forum. it's the fruit wars forum.

So what an apple is not a fruit now?!?!?!

let's say that apple = console and orange = pc. why are you trying to exclude oranges from the fruit wars?

I never did exclude the orange. I'm saying that when comparing apples which are the consoles, and their games where does orange come in which is PC, which is not a console im sorry an apple.

i always considered a game thats on the 360 or ps3 as a exclusive even if it eventually came out on a pc. That is until i signed up to gs. But i still do consider console games as exclusive because pc's are different all around. ps3 and the 360 are the same with everyoneBillGates_Money

[QUOTE="BillGates_Money"]i always considered a game thats on the 360 or ps3 as a exclusive even if it eventually came out on a pc. That is until i signed up to gs. But i still do consider console games as exclusive because pc's are different all around. ps3 and the 360 are the same with everyonejazreal

First off, a couple of us are definitely not PC ONLY GAMERS. I have a PC, 360, and my roommate has a Wii.

BillGates_Money, there's tons of reasons why you shouldn't exclude PC's. Check this thread: there's tons of good arguements why it IS included against a bunch of "I think..." opinions.

[QUOTE="jazreal"]

once again, THIS IS what it all comes down too. you hit it on the head and said exactly what i was trying to say about the 'WHY does it matter' question asked of me to begin with.

peace you guys, im gonna go play some games :P

Ellipson

We already posted rebuttals to that. Go a couple of pages back because I'm sick of repeating the same arguments over and over.

[QUOTE="BillGates_Money"]i always considered a game thats on the 360 or ps3 as a exclusive even if it eventually came out on a pc. That is until i signed up to gs. But i still do consider console games as exclusive because pc's are different all around. ps3 and the 360 are the same with everyonejazreal

i'm not a "pc only" gamer. just the fact that i game on the pc at all is more than enough to see howabsurd it is to try and exclude it from the system wars.

[QUOTE="jazreal"][QUOTE="BillGates_Money"]i always considered a game thats on the 360 or ps3 as a exclusive even if it eventually came out on a pc. That is until i signed up to gs. But i still do consider console games as exclusive because pc's are different all around. ps3 and the 360 are the same with everyoneEllipson

First off, a couple of us are definitely not PC ONLY GAMERS. I have a PC, 360, and my roommate has a Wii.

BillGates_Money, there's tons of reasons why you shouldn't exclude PC's. Check this thread: there's tons of good arguements why it IS included against a bunch of "I think..." opinions.

will do thanks

I never did exclude the orange. I'm saying that when comparing apples which are the consoles, and their games where does orange come in which is PC, which is not a console im sorry an apple.

xscrapzx

but your still trying to call afeature of an apple exclusive even though it shares that very same feature with an orange.

[QUOTE="Ellipson"][QUOTE="jazreal"]

once again, THIS IS what it all comes down too. you hit it on the head and said exactly what i was trying to say about the 'WHY does it matter' question asked of me to begin with.

peace you guys, im gonna go play some games :P

jazreal

We already posted rebuttals to that. Go a couple of pages back because I'm sick of repeating the same arguments over and over.

I completely see why "it matters" that, say, one game is on the 360 but not the PS3. All we're saying is that it's not exclusive, so stop calling it that. As much as you apparently don't like it, the PC is part of System Wars, and rightfully so.

[QUOTE="Ellipson"][QUOTE="jazreal"]

once again, THIS IS what it all comes down too. you hit it on the head and said exactly what i was trying to say about the 'WHY does it matter' question asked of me to begin with.

peace you guys, im gonna go play some games :P

jazreal

We already posted rebuttals to that. Go a couple of pages back because I'm sick of repeating the same arguments over and over.

First of all, you didn't even read what I wrote earlier. I have a 360, and we have a Wii at my house. There's no partisanship on my part: only what I see. I didn't include the quote because it's long and it stretches out the page even more, and people can go back and read it if they want to. And I had already talked about it earlier, and didn't feel the need to discuss it again. Second, if you want to give your opinion on something, be prepared to back it up. Opinions are like... well, you know. Everyone has one. The trick is to balance your opinion with reasons why you have that opinion. This is System Wars. What did you expect?

A: "Hi, I think 360 is better!"

B: "Oh, I think Wii is better!"

A: "Oh, it's so cool we have different opinions!"

B: "I know! TTYL!"

That won't fly: look at every other thread here. If you want to play, be prepared to back your opinion up.

and to you casey, i tried to answer your question of "WHY IT MATTERS TO SOME". im not sure how this all ended up where it is, but this guy said it best( its not just about the pc vs console debate, its about what makes people FEEL that way) and untill one knows ALL the facts, even if its not your own, one will never truely understand it at all. peace bro

this says it all to me

I'm pretty sure I know why this whole thing was even brought up.

Anytime a hardcore cow or sheep starts an arguement with a lemming about games, the same thing always happens. Usually each "side" lists whatever games they think "destroys" the other console's lineup, but anytime a 360-fan lists a game that is shared with the PC, most cows and sheep immediately hide behind the PC (Even though it's very likely that they don't game on the PC, or their PC is incapable of playing said 360 games, let alone at comparible quality) and say things like this example:

GeoW= coming to pc. Doesn't count. :lol: Bioshock= Better on PC. Doesn't count. :lol:

....and so on, and so on, and they dismiss these game like they honestly don't exist. Well, that does put 360-fans at a disadvantage when trying to hold their ground on an arguement. There IS an obvious solution, it's called logic:

If a particular sheep or cow is arguing that the Wii or PS3 has better games and dismisses any 360 game that is on the PC.... Well... That arguement shouldn't hold any water. Because if someone is trying to back up The PS3 or Wii, and you bring up several games that ARE NOT on the PS3 or Wii.... then you win, and that's all that matters. It doesn't matter if it's on PC, simply because it's not on the Wii or the PS3. They were originally arguing about the Wii or PS3, not the PC. If they game on a worthy PC, whatever, that's fine, but it doesn't mean a thing if they were trying to back up their PS3 or Wii in an arguement, because they don't have those particular 360 games.

BUT, I doubt ANY hardcore fanboy will see the logic in that... let alone accept it and move on...

TripleXAlexXx

and to you casey, i tried to answer your question of "WHY IT MATTERS TO SOME". im not sure how this all ended up where it is, but this guy said it best( its not just about the pc vs console debate, its about what makes people FEEL that way) and untill one knows ALL the facts, even if its not your own, one will never truely understand it at all. peace bro

this says it all to me

[QUOTE="TripleXAlexXx"]

I'm pretty sure I know why this whole thing was even brought up.

Anytime a hardcore cow or sheep starts an arguement with a lemming about games, the same thing always happens. Usually each "side" lists whatever games they think "destroys" the other console's lineup, but anytime a 360-fan lists a game that is shared with the PC, most cows and sheep immediately hide behind the PC (Even though it's very likely that they don't game on the PC, or their PC is incapable of playing said 360 games, let alone at comparible quality) and say things like this example:

GeoW= coming to pc. Doesn't count. :lol: Bioshock= Better on PC. Doesn't count. :lol:

....and so on, and so on, and they dismiss these game like they honestly don't exist. Well, that does put 360-fans at a disadvantage when trying to hold their ground on an arguement. There IS an obvious solution, it's called logic:

If a particular sheep or cow is arguing that the Wii or PS3 has better games and dismisses any 360 game that is on the PC.... Well... That arguement shouldn't hold any water. Because if someone is trying to back up The PS3 or Wii, and you bring up several games that ARE NOT on the PS3 or Wii.... then you win, and that's all that matters. It doesn't matter if it's on PC, simply because it's not on the Wii or the PS3. They were originally arguing about the Wii or PS3, not the PC. If they game on a worthy PC, whatever, that's fine, but it doesn't mean a thing if they were trying to back up their PS3 or Wii in an arguement, because they don't have those particular 360 games.

BUT, I doubt ANY hardcore fanboy will see the logic in that... let alone accept it and move on...

jazreal

I included your quote. :-D

I completely see why "it matters" that, say, one game is on the 360 but not the PS3. All we're saying is that it's not exclusive, so stop calling it that. As much as you apparently don't like it, the PC is part of System Wars, and rightfully so.NerdMan

And there's the general response. That sums it up pretty good.

This thing is going on and on. Before trying to explain to people what console exclusive means, can someone explain to me what the word console actually means?