Sales are "performance?"
excuses do not exonerate bad performance
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how is it "flamebait" its my thread and i am trying to reduce future flaming from ridiculous cows and their ungrounded argumentsThis thread is just flamebait thats all i have to say.
Rza_rectah
[QUOTE="Rza_rectah"]how is it "flamebait" its my thread and i am trying to reduce future flaming from ridiculous cows and their ungrounded arguments How is it ridiculous if the argument present are based off of logical reasoning? This on the other hand if just flame bait and i don't expect you to admit to that. The 360 and the Ps3 are so similar its not even funny last gen it was the total opposite. Japanese companies like Capcom would not even touch Xbox. Now that it has gained some games from the Ps3's library that delivered huge blow's to the ps3's sales. So answer me this question if you presented a choice between two consoles which are almost the same but one is $200 cheaper which would you choose if you were the average consumer. Or if you wanted a console but No other next gen consoles were out what you get? All of what I said factor into this Gen deny it all you want.This thread is just flamebait thats all i have to say.
surrealnumber5
This is one of the definitions of an excuse to serve as an apology or justification for; justify: That is perfect justification as to why the ps3 is in the position its in for you to ignore that is just plain ignorant.
how is it "flamebait" its my thread and i am trying to reduce future flaming from ridiculous cows and their ungrounded arguments How is it ridiculous if the argument present are based off of logical reasoning? This on the other hand if just flame bait and i don't expect you to admit to that. The 360 and the Ps3 are so similar its not even funny last gen it was the total opposite. Japanese companies like Capcom would not even touch Xbox. Now that it has gained some games from the Ps3's library that delivered huge blow's to the ps3's sales. So answer me this question if you presented a choice between two consoles which are almost the same but one is $200 cheaper which would you choose if you were the average consumer. Or if you wanted a console but No other next gen consoles were out what you get? All of what I said factor into this Gen deny it all you want.[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"][QUOTE="Rza_rectah"]
This thread is just flamebait thats all i have to say.
Rza_rectah
This is one of the definitions of an excuse to serve as an apology or justification for; justify: That is perfect justification as to why the ps3 is in the position its in for you to ignore that is just plain ignorant.
so "justifying" why the ps3 is in last because of what it is, makes it ok that it is performing how it is? so if i got your post right the ps3 is in last place because of its price and it is good that it is in last place because of its price and we should praise it as such?How is it ridiculous if the argument present are based off of logical reasoning? This on the other hand if just flame bait and i don't expect you to admit to that. The 360 and the Ps3 are so similar its not even funny last gen it was the total opposite. Japanese companies like Capcom would not even touch Xbox. Now that it has gained some games from the Ps3's library that delivered huge blow's to the ps3's sales. So answer me this question if you presented a choice between two consoles which are almost the same but one is $200 cheaper which would you choose if you were the average consumer. Or if you wanted a console but No other next gen consoles were out what you get? All of what I said factor into this Gen deny it all you want.[QUOTE="Rza_rectah"]
[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"] how is it "flamebait" its my thread and i am trying to reduce future flaming from ridiculous cows and their ungrounded arguments surrealnumber5
This is one of the definitions of an excuse to serve as an apology or justification for; justify: That is perfect justification as to why the ps3 is in the position its in for you to ignore that is just plain ignorant.
so "justifying" why the ps3 is in last because of what it is, makes it ok that it is performing how it is? so if i got your post right the ps3 is in last place because of its price and it is good that it is in last place because of its price and we should praise it as such? Value to some is not value to allsome praise the 360, wii, ps3 because it's their choice to. I can't define to you why someone chooses to do something. But I can tell you why I prefer my ps3 that's for its games, free online, blu, disc don't scratch as easy, integrated wifi, reliability and a value which I find in my system. It is performing shabby but the 360 with its price and games should be destroying all competition but its not. It doesn't make it ok for the ps3 to under perform but its understandable to why it's underperforming its like I said justification.Market share is never an indication of quality!
[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"]
yes they do.
Sorry to say but excuses to exonerate bad preformance. Its the same concept that if in a live fire exercise someones leg gets shot and the drill instructer fails them for bad preformance even if they finish the exercise....they were shot!!! thats the only excuse needed.
But teacher that person was point a laser pointer into my eyes during the test thats why i missed a few questions.
Teacher: i dont care you still fail.JB730
except of course sony's bad performance is solely sony's fault for designing a console that needed to be sold at $600 from launch
the situations you just posted were presumably of no fault of the excuse-maker - hence they have legit excuses for their situation.....while sony put themselves into their situation with bad decision making - hence they do not have legit excuses for their situation
to mask bad decision making with excuses is something no good professional would do....i guarantee that internally sony is not making excuses for themselves for their poor performance in the market - there is a good chance they know what they did wrong and are going to correct it next gen
some sony fanboys, on the other hand, are making a plethora of excuses to basiclaly hide the poor decisions of their favourite gaming company
:lol: your sig is great!so "justifying" why the ps3 is in last because of what it is, makes it ok that it is performing how it is? so if i got your post right the ps3 is in last place because of its price and it is good that it is in last place because of its price and we should praise it as such? Value to some is not value to allsome praise the 360, wii, ps3 because it's their choice to. I can't define to you why someone chooses to do something. But I can tell you why I prefer my ps3 that's for its games, free online, blu, disc don't scratch as easy, integrated wifi, reliability and a value which I find in my system. It is performing shabby but the 360 with its price and games should be destroying all competition but its not. It doesn't make it ok for the ps3 to under perform but its understandable to why it's underperforming its like I said justification. in this thread i have stated several times that it is ok to love the ps3, and that i only wish to stop people from making BS about what is good and how things should be if things differed. if i lived on the sun there would be life on the sun, but that does not make it so in the here and now.[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"]
[QUOTE="Rza_rectah"] How is it ridiculous if the argument present are based off of logical reasoning? This on the other hand if just flame bait and i don't expect you to admit to that. The 360 and the Ps3 are so similar its not even funny last gen it was the total opposite. Japanese companies like Capcom would not even touch Xbox. Now that it has gained some games from the Ps3's library that delivered huge blow's to the ps3's sales. So answer me this question if you presented a choice between two consoles which are almost the same but one is $200 cheaper which would you choose if you were the average consumer. Or if you wanted a console but No other next gen consoles were out what you get? All of what I said factor into this Gen deny it all you want.
This is one of the definitions of an excuse to serve as an apology or justification for; justify: That is perfect justification as to why the ps3 is in the position its in for you to ignore that is just plain ignorant.
Rza_rectah
Thats exactly what your doing.....i keep reading the ps3 is in last because of the economy and its price, and any number of ifs and wishes that talk about how good it should be doing. the ps3 is in last place, you can love it, you can think its the best, but dont try to spin things into what they are not. sales are the votes casted by the market to evaluate a given product, the ps3 is not a higher luxury good that was intended on reaching a higher market, it is in direct competition with the other current home consoles.
if it were a higher luxury good it would have been sold a a profit from launch, if it were a higher luxury good it would not requier as many units sold to turn the same amount of profit, if it were a higher luxury item it would be the first flagship media device of its kind.
the ps3 is selling slower then the others, the ps3 has the lowest attachrate of the three (unless we get news its over 7), and all of this means the market has voted the ps3 to be the least worth while console at this point in time.
if the ps3 cost $100 retail could it be in first place? who knows, its not $100. excuses do not exonerate bad performance, your enjoyment is your own, your opinion is your own, drawing unfounded conclustions from your own baseless speculation is wrong.
surrealnumber5
but it is an indication of value and/or worthMarket share is never an indication of quality!
full_disclosure
Thats exactly what your doing..... what is baseless, if you point it out maybe i could add some foundation for you[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"]
i keep reading the ps3 is in last because of the economy and its price, and any number of ifs and wishes that talk about how good it should be doing. the ps3 is in last place, you can love it, you can think its the best, but dont try to spin things into what they are not. sales are the votes casted by the market to evaluate a given product, the ps3 is not a higher luxury good that was intended on reaching a higher market, it is in direct competition with the other current home consoles.
if it were a higher luxury good it would have been sold a a profit from launch, if it were a higher luxury good it would not requier as many units sold to turn the same amount of profit, if it were a higher luxury item it would be the first flagship media device of its kind.
the ps3 is selling slower then the others, the ps3 has the lowest attachrate of the three (unless we get news its over 7), and all of this means the market has voted the ps3 to be the least worth while console at this point in time.
if the ps3 cost $100 retail could it be in first place? who knows, its not $100. excuses do not exonerate bad performance, your enjoyment is your own, your opinion is your own, drawing unfounded conclustions from your own baseless speculation is wrong.
Nick3306
[QUOTE="Rza_rectah"]Value to some is not value to allsome praise the 360, wii, ps3 because it's their choice to. I can't define to you why someone chooses to do something. But I can tell you why I prefer my ps3 that's for its games, free online, blu, disc don't scratch as easy, integrated wifi, reliability and a value which I find in my system. It is performing shabby but the 360 with its price and games should be destroying all competition but its not. It doesn't make it ok for the ps3 to under perform but its understandable to why it's underperforming its like I said justification. in this thread i have stated several times that it is ok to love the ps3, and that i only wish to stop people from making BS about what is good and how things should be if things differed. if i lived on the sun there would be life on the sun, but that does not make it so in the here and now. So is your point that people shouldn't try to justify the state of the PS3. But people come on this thread to politic about video games (systems in general) sure thing. So as strange as this may sound people are saying what they say about the ps3 because there is something that they may like about it. So they are more practical about it. And living on the sun is not very practical. So a practical thing to say about the ps3 is that yes its doing bad (rybe pointed that out 1000's of times) but its not a bad console. Correct me if im wrong.[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"] so "justifying" why the ps3 is in last because of what it is, makes it ok that it is performing how it is? so if i got your post right the ps3 is in last place because of its price and it is good that it is in last place because of its price and we should praise it as such?
surrealnumber5
[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"][QUOTE="Rza_rectah"] Value to some is not value to allsome praise the 360, wii, ps3 because it's their choice to. I can't define to you why someone chooses to do something. But I can tell you why I prefer my ps3 that's for its games, free online, blu, disc don't scratch as easy, integrated wifi, reliability and a value which I find in my system. It is performing shabby but the 360 with its price and games should be destroying all competition but its not. It doesn't make it ok for the ps3 to under perform but its understandable to why it's underperforming its like I said justification.in this thread i have stated several times that it is ok to love the ps3, and that i only wish to stop people from making BS about what is good and how things should be if things differed. if i lived on the sun there would be life on the sun, but that does not make it so in the here and now. So is your point that people shouldn't try to justify the state of the PS3. But people come on this thread to politic about video games (systems in general) sure thing. So as strange as this may sound people are saying what they say about the ps3 because there is something that they may like about it. So they are more practical about it. And living on the sun is not very practical. So a practical thing to say about theps3 is that yes its doing bad (rybe pointed that out 1000's of times) but its not not a bad console. Correct me if im wrong. this thread stemmed from the 50 threads a few days ago when financials/MC/NPD were released and how cows kept stating things as they were not. this would not be system wars if people did not bring up crazy arguments and if others did not try to combat them. i chose to make one thread in order to try and mitigate further bs in the more concrete threads, sadly few of the people making those kinds of comments have commented here but at least i have not started arguments in all of those thread.Rza_rectah
So is your point that people shouldn't try to justify the state of the PS3. But people come on this thread to politic about video games (systems in general) sure thing. So as strange as this may sound people are saying what they say about the ps3 because there is something that they may like about it. So they are more practical about it. And living on the sun is not very practical. So a practical thing to say about theps3 is that yes its doing bad (rybe pointed that out 1000's of times) but its not not a bad console. Correct me if im wrong. this thread stemmed from the 50 threads a few days ago when financials/MC/NPD were released and how cows kept stating things as they were not. this would not be system wars if people did not bring up crazy arguments and if others did not try to combat them. i chose to make one thread in order to try and mitigate further bs in the more concrete threads, sadly few of the people making those kinds of comments have commented here but at least i have not started arguments in all of those thread. Sure people can believe what they want I have no higher authority then they do. I have my own priorities and my own authority over my actions and choices. Everyone does, that's the way of the world. I can honestly say that the only time excuses should be made is when there is a misunderstanding or disconnect between people. I can guarantee you that the only reason why the excuses were made is because of that disconnect. Yes the consoles are similar but the sales sure aren't. But in no way do sales make a console superior over another. Some might say that the install base makes a differences in how my people play online. They leave out the wii. That systems online is shoddy but it has a huge install base. I get your point though for the most part.[QUOTE="Rza_rectah"][QUOTE="surrealnumber5"] in this thread i have stated several times that it is ok to love the ps3, and that i only wish to stop people from making BS about what is good and how things should be if things differed. if i lived on the sun there would be life on the sun, but that does not make it so in the here and now.surrealnumber5
Tc is correct but prohibitive threads never seem to work anyway nt though :P A good example of what the tc is saying would be for me to say that maybe the PS3 has only sold 9 million to actual gamers meaning people who will buy some videogames and the other 15 million were early adopters for Blu Ray. PS3 game sales actually support this theory although I have no true scientific method for proof therefore it is idle speculation, and to most other people its rather pointless if its not based on actual reality. What ifs are nice but if they aren't grounded in whats actually taking place what is the point? Unless someone has created a transdimensional gateway of some kind and can actually see and document what ifs.
There is so many excuses used to defend the PS3's bad performance. 1-The 360 is $200 cheaper. (well depending what the topic is because 50% the 360 is more expensive) 2-Like you said economy 3-Sony's marketing dept. 4-The big games are not out yet like GoW or GT5. Because all the other games that this was said about I guess were not big. 5-bad press 6-people are just waiting for the slim 7 and on and on and on It is funny so many excuses need to be made for the PS3 considering what the PS2 did. Many are just not able to say the truth. Also as far as game scores that is stupid to say this will boost sales because those scores are just this website not the whole gaming world which is what game sales go by.rybe10251, 2, and 6 are wrong...
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