Explain Gaikai to me (aka biggest rip off ever)

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#1 omho88
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So from what I understood we got to pay for the games we already own again  in order to play them, and by playing them, I mean streaming them which means an always online connection is required, right?

WTH?!! this is why ppl raged on MS in the first place, this idea is so stupid and a rip off at best, how are they advertising the PS4 as an offline machine and rubbing it on MS face when gaikai is as stupid as MS old policies !!

I hope I didn't misunderstand the whole thing.

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#2 percech
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You should know by now that cows are hypocrites. :)
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#3 lx_theo
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You should know by now that cows are hypocrites. :)percech
:lol: Being a hypocrite by calling people hypocrites. Thats an entertaining one.
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#4 WilliamRLBaker
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How can we explain it too you when we have no details?

we have no idea when gaikai BC streaming will be introduced, have no idea how it will work, and what will be available on it...

so how can we explain it too you?

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#5 jer_1
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How is it a ripoff when you aren't forced to pay for it? Trying to understand the point of this thread. You could be right but at this point there just isn't enough info to do much beyond speculate.
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#6 k2theswiss
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gaikai is a steaming services, not the ps4... It's a option. Kinda hard for something that streams be offline...
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#7 Kingpin0114
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All we really know is that it will stream old games and that it is not requirement for the PS4...not sure why you are complaining already. Could at least wait for more details...then again this is SW.

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#8 Heil68
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A streaming service made by gamers for gamers. Long live Sony!@!!
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#9 EXLINK
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It's an added benefit for the PS4. Don't want to rebuy your games? Then keep your PS3. No one is forcing you to do one or the other, its just a backwards compatability option that you can have opposed to nothing at all.

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A streaming service made by gamers for gamers. Long live Sony!@!! Heil68
Does this guy ever add anything to the conversation, or does he just provide us with this indoctrinated crap?
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[QUOTE="Heil68"]A streaming service made by gamers for gamers. Long live Sony!@!! GuNsbl4ziN
Does this guy ever add anything to the conversation, or does he just provide us with this indoctrinated crap?

indoctrinated troll crap basically he spent almost a year after kinects release with posts that amounted to (LOL) kinect
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#12 RR360DD
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'Bu bu its okay cuz sony is the one doing it :cry:'

:lol:

Not interested in it at all, but the usual cows will bend over and pay that extra dollar - on top of the online multiplayer fees LOL

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#13 Caseytappy
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Why would you need always online ?

If you play the game you need to be online, your controller inputs are send to the server where it's being processed and the result is streamed back to you as a movie, input lag will be noticable no matter the internet speed .

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#14 Eikichi-Onizuka
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Yeah, better off keeping a PS3 for PS3 games most likely. I don't know how it works yet so I wouldn't say it's a ripoff. (yet)
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#15 deactivated-5b69bebd1b0b6
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So?  It's just another form of backwards compatibility.   Not like it's a necessity or anything.   People couldn't care less when Sony took out PS2 BC from PS3s.  It was such a minor thing.  Now here we are today with people rebuying HD PS2 collections. 

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#16 Jipset
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Yeah man it's so dumb. So is onlive for MAKING me buy arkham asylum again. /sarcasm
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#17 EXLINK
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So?  It's just another form of backwards compatibility.   Not like it's a necessity or anything.   People couldn't care less when Sony took out PS2 BC from PS3s.  It was such a minor thing.  Now here we are today with people rebuying HD PS2 collections. 

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Not quite...:|

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#18 WilliamRLBaker
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So?  It's just another form of backwards compatibility.   Not like it's a necessity or anything.   People couldn't care less when Sony took out PS2 BC from PS3s.  It was such a minor thing.  Now here we are today with people rebuying HD PS2 collections. 

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Umm I very much cared when they took it out and my first ps3 died and I was told I wasn't guaranteed to get a ps2 BC back when If I were to send it in for repair.
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#19 NeonNinja
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I think Gaikai is a great idea if it can be implemented correctly.  It's just a service, I don't get how it's a ripoff.

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#20 Caseytappy
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I think Sony uses the BC via Gaikai as a test, if it works close to lagless on fast internet connections then the next Playstation will just be a streambox in the future and game specs can evolve all the time as they will hold the hardware .

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#21 handssss
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So from what I understood we got to pay for the games we already own again  in order to play them, and by playing them, I mean streaming them which means an always online connection is required, right?

WTH?!! this is why ppl raged on MS in the first place, this idea is so stupid and a rip off at best, how are they advertising the PS4 as an offline machine and rubbing it on MS face when gaikai is as stupid as MS old policies !!

I hope I didn't misunderstand the whole thing.

omho88
the ps4 physically cannot play ps3 games and back because the architecture is so vastly different. so instead of just telling you to go get an old system or stay on it (even though you are free to do so) they are trying to provide the OPTION to allow backwards compatibility through other means. why don't you explain to me how this is even remotely similar to Microsoft's scrapped draconian DRM policies?
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#22 deactivated-5b69bebd1b0b6
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[QUOTE="Crossel777"]

So?  It's just another form of backwards compatibility.   Not like it's a necessity or anything.   People couldn't care less when Sony took out PS2 BC from PS3s.  It was such a minor thing.  Now here we are today with people rebuying HD PS2 collections. 

EXLINK

Not quite...:|

There was a few people whining, nothing that caused an uproar. People eventually got over it and found HD collections far more appealing.
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#23 Mr-Kutaragi
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So from what I understood we got to pay for the games we already own again omho88
If you already own them and ps3, why would you buy again? :lol: Fail logic.
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#24 lx_theo
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[QUOTE="EXLINK"]

[QUOTE="Crossel777"]

So?  It's just another form of backwards compatibility.   Not like it's a necessity or anything.   People couldn't care less when Sony took out PS2 BC from PS3s.  It was such a minor thing.  Now here we are today with people rebuying HD PS2 collections. 

Crossel777

Not quite...:|

There was a few people whining, nothing that caused an uproar. People eventually got over it and found HD collections far more appealing.

BC always seems a lot more important at the beginning of a generation before the new console really gets a library established. In the end, a console is bought by most for games native to the system, no BC.
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#25 gago-gago
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There's nothing to explain, Gakai doesn't even exist.
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#26 Joedgabe
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PS4 is an offline machine... Ps3 emulator on the Ps4 will be online. How is this not clear at all? :| don't go to college please... it's hard enough teaching new things to students.. it turns out imposible to teach the obvious.

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#27 deactivated-59b71619573a1
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So from what I understood we got to pay for the games we already own again  in order to play them, and by playing them, I mean streaming them which means an always online connection is required, right?

WTH?!! this is why ppl raged on MS in the first place, this idea is so stupid and a rip off at best, how are they advertising the PS4 as an offline machine and rubbing it on MS face when gaikai is as stupid as MS old policies !!

I hope I didn't misunderstand the whole thing.

omho88

Because Gaikai isn't required for every game you play on your PS4

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[QUOTE="Heil68"]A streaming service made by gamers for gamers. Long live Sony!@!! GuNsbl4ziN
Does this guy ever add anything to the conversation, or does he just provide us with this indoctrinated crap?

He's one of the most respected and admired posters in System Wars.
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[QUOTE="GuNsbl4ziN"][QUOTE="Heil68"]A streaming service made by gamers for gamers. Long live Sony!@!! WilliamRLBaker
Does this guy ever add anything to the conversation, or does he just provide us with this indoctrinated crap?

indoctrinated troll crap basically he spent almost a year after kinects release with posts that amounted to (LOL) kinect

He used to be an awesome poster too ... Those memories are fading away though

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#30 YoshiYogurt
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XBONE is not BC at all so why even complain about an optional service for PS4?
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#31 bbkkristian
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No wonder why Sony didnt give the PS4 BC, they saw that the cows would buy those HD collections after removing it from the PS3. It's easy money for them. Milk them cows, Sony.
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#32 bbkkristian
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XBONE is not BC at all so why even complain about an optional service for PS4?YoshiYogurt
Because Sony is going to charge for a service that should have been implemented in the system in the first place.
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#33 Joedgabe
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.[QUOTE="YoshiYogurt"]XBONE is not BC at all so why even complain about an optional service for PS4?bbkkristian
Because Sony is going to charge for a service that should have been implemented in the system in the first place.

It would have brought up the Cost of the Ps4... at this point the Price of the Ps4 is what is making it win. Wasn't it you that said that you can tell who doesn't know how the industry works? ohhh the irony... :cool: buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuurnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn

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#34 WilliamRLBaker
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[QUOTE="EXLINK"]

[QUOTE="Crossel777"]

So?  It's just another form of backwards compatibility.   Not like it's a necessity or anything.   People couldn't care less when Sony took out PS2 BC from PS3s.  It was such a minor thing.  Now here we are today with people rebuying HD PS2 collections. 

Crossel777

Not quite...:|

There was a few people whining, nothing that caused an uproar. People eventually got over it and found HD collections far more appealing.

thats your opinion where as I saw lots of people angry that they took it out, A promoted feature of the ps3 removed. specially since they removed it specifically to make more profit on the ps3, and so they could then rerereerrerelease half assed rereleases.
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#35 bbkkristian
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[QUOTE="bbkkristian"].[QUOTE="YoshiYogurt"]XBONE is not BC at all so why even complain about an optional service for PS4?Joedgabe

Because Sony is going to charge for a service that should have been implemented in the system in the first place.

It would have brought up the Cost of the Ps4... at this point the Price of the Ps4 is what is making it win. Wasn't it you that said that you can tell who doesn't know how the industry works? ohhh the irony... :cool: buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuurnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn

Dat damage control. Just know that the amount of money consumers will put into Gakai's services would outweigh the price increase. Enjoy being Sony's cows.
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#36 princeofshapeir
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[QUOTE="Joedgabe"]

[QUOTE="bbkkristian"] Because Sony is going to charge for a service that should have been implemented in the system in the first place. bbkkristian

It would have brought up the Cost of the Ps4... at this point the Price of the Ps4 is what is making it win. Wasn't it you that said that you can tell who doesn't know how the industry works? ohhh the irony... :cool: buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuurnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn

Dat damage control.

Why are you targeting Sony for axing backwards compatibility when Nintendo did the same with Wii U and GameCube games? After all, that's one reason why they're repackaging a bloomed up 2003 game for $50.
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[QUOTE="bbkkristian"][QUOTE="Joedgabe"]

It would have brought up the Cost of the Ps4... at this point the Price of the Ps4 is what is making it win. Wasn't it you that said that you can tell who doesn't know how the industry works? ohhh the irony... :cool: buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuurnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn

princeofshapeir

Dat damage control.

Why are you targeting Sony for axing backwards compatibility when Nintendo did the same with Wii U and GameCube games? After all, that's one reason why they're repackaging a bloomed up 2003 game for $50.

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#38 Joedgabe
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[QUOTE="Joedgabe"]

[QUOTE="bbkkristian"] Because Sony is going to charge for a service that should have been implemented in the system in the first place. bbkkristian

It would have brought up the Cost of the Ps4... at this point the Price of the Ps4 is what is making it win. Wasn't it you that said that you can tell who doesn't know how the industry works? ohhh the irony... :cool: buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuurnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn

Dat damage control. Just know that the amount of money consumers will put into Gakai's services would outweigh the price increase. Enjoy being Sony's cows.

I'm a cow now? oh well... lol BUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUURNNNNNNNNNN and you know what ? if you sell a console to buy a newer console and then want to play games from your older console then you deserve to suffer somehow for doing something really dumb like that. Besides the fact that this type of thing will barely be used.

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#39 bbkkristian
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[QUOTE="bbkkristian"][QUOTE="Joedgabe"]

It would have brought up the Cost of the Ps4... at this point the Price of the Ps4 is what is making it win. Wasn't it you that said that you can tell who doesn't know how the industry works? ohhh the irony... :cool: buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuurnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn

Joedgabe

Dat damage control. Just know that the amount of money consumers will put into Gakai's services would outweigh the price increase. Enjoy being Sony's cows.

I'm a cow now? oh well... lol BUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUURNNNNNNNNNN and you know what ? if you sell a console to buy a newer console and then want to play games from your older console then you deserve to suffer somehow for doing something really dumb like that. Besides the fact that this type of thing will barely be used.

To all those whose ps3s phats don't trade it in, your PS3s won't get YLOD and will last forever.
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#40 Joedgabe
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[QUOTE="Joedgabe"]

[QUOTE="bbkkristian"] Dat damage control. Just know that the amount of money consumers will put into Gakai's services would outweigh the price increase. Enjoy being Sony's cows.bbkkristian

I'm a cow now? oh well... lol BUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUURNNNNNNNNNN and you know what ? if you sell a console to buy a newer console and then want to play games from your older console then you deserve to suffer somehow for doing something really dumb like that. Besides the fact that this type of thing will barely be used.

To all those whose ps3s phats don't trade it in, your PS3s won't get YLOD and will last forever.

mine's is a slim.. the phat PS3 was too ugly to buy... idk where people put that thing... anyhow I always keep my consoles.... still have my clear gameboy pocket! but back to the point.. you really shouldn't trade in a console if you wanna go back to playing it. 

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#41 Kenshiro_Ken
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Gaikai is a privilege, and you don't deserve it!
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#42 lowkey254
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Gaikai is optional. What MS was doing wasn't optional. Second, you don't have to pay for your games a second time, that's also optional. Since neither system is going to have BC then it would be smart to keep your old systems to play your old games. Don't be an idiot, TC. Stop trying to troll.

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#43 ShaineTheNerd
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GaiKai = You bought it before, just buy it again because! We're Sony, do as we command! :) There's a reason they're called "cows", good friend.
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#44 SexyJazzCat
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GaiKai = You bought it before, just buy it again because! We're Sony, do as we command! :) There's a reason they're called "cows", good friend.ShaineTheNerd

OR continue playing it on the platform you bought it on.

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#45 StrifeDelivery
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No wonder why Sony didnt give the PS4 BC, they saw that the cows would buy those HD collections after removing it from the PS3. It's easy money for them. Milk them cows, Sony.bbkkristian

Did you complain when the Wii didn't offer to play Nes, Snes, 64, or Gamecube games? How about the Wii U: cry that it didnt allow you to play Nes, Snes, 64 or Gamecube games. And speaking about HD collections, can anyone say Windwaker?

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#46 sirk1264
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This is why you keep your old consoles now. I'm keeping my ps3 for ps3 games. Will use my ps4 for ps4 games. Both consoles can co exist at the same time. If your an Xbox fan, I'd suggest keeping your 360 for Playing 360 games. 

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#47 rjdofu
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Also, do you need PS+ for it? If so, lol @ gaikai.
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#48 Basinboy
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You should know by now that cows are hypocrites. :)percech
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@TC: :cry:

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So from what I understood we got to pay for the games we already own again  in order to play them, and by playing them, I mean streaming them which means an always online connection is required, right?

WTH?!! this is why ppl raged on MS in the first place, this idea is so stupid and a rip off at best, how are they advertising the PS4 as an offline machine and rubbing it on MS face when gaikai is as stupid as MS old policies !!

I hope I didn't misunderstand the whole thing.

omho88

Gaikai isn't for the PS3 owners who already own what ever games, to "transfer" them to their PS4s. It's for the people who didn't have any previous Playstation system, as a means to buy and play older games on the PS4.

If you already have PS3 games, keep the PS3 and play it on that.

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#50 campzor
Member since 2004 • 34932 Posts
Gaikai is for B/C stop living in the past and buy the damn console for the next gen games.