Exposed: Natal Milo smoke and mirrors by Peter Molyneux - Gamer Blorge

When I saw Milo I saw Seaman HD. Then I was puzzled of how people were hyping it as one of the biggest advancements of electronic entrainment of all time, let alone of computer science. I still have a hard time believing that some people though that Milo was anything more than a high budget chat bot....

[QUOTE="GreyFoXX4"] nope. the wii remote can do more than tilt [QUOTE="GreyFoXX4"] but ps3 wand with ps3 camera adds alot more functions and features. hy4k

Show me a wii game that you can move around in real time in a 3d enviroment or have the percision like the ps3 wand. GreyFoXX4

[QUOTE="Baranga"]

[QUOTE="GreyFoXX4"] They said just like everyone else, its voice tone. So yes voice tone is different than actually understanding your words. So unless you were one of 1/1000 that actually thought milo was using voice tone and not actually understanding the ladies voice then I guess you knew it was false advertising the begin with lol. But gametrailer did have some rude things to say about milo so they were not happy at all with it. And they felt mislead.GreyFoXX4

You continue to disregard that Molyneux said he can recognize about 500 words as of now.

The clamour to call Milo a fake when no-one ever claimed he was real - Molyneux himself admitting to "tricks" - proves just how hair-raising, how unsettling Microsoft and Lionhead's achievement is.

He never said he created an AI that was self aware and could grasp the meaning of the words. It was clear it was voice recognition that can respond to a few words and yes those few words where in the demo, what do you think they are going to use words not yet programed that Milo can't understand? He also stated they only worked on the project for a few months. Did you think you could be a real God in Black&White too? :lol:

So the wii can recognise how far you are from the rf sensor, so infact you can move away from it and your character moves away and so on? So another words it recoginses depth and distance? And you know the ds3 does more than tilt right? It has full movement left, right, forward, backwards and upside down right?GreyFoXX4

He never said he created an AI that was self aware and could grasp the meaning of the words. It was clear it was voice recognition that can respond to a few words and yes those few words where in the demo, what do you think they are going to use words not yet programed that Milo can't understand? He also stated they only worked on the project for a few months. Did you think you could be a real God in Black&White too? :lol:

Return-Fire

[QUOTE="GreyFoXX4"][QUOTE="Baranga"]

You continue to disregard that Molyneux said he can recognize about 500 words as of now.

The clamour to call Milo a fake when no-one ever claimed he was real - Molyneux himself admitting to "tricks" - proves just how hair-raising, how unsettling Microsoft and Lionhead's achievement is.

Return-Fire

He never said he created an AI that was self aware and could grasp the meaning of the words. It was clear it was voice recognition that can respond to a few words and yes those few words where in the demo, what do you think they are going to use words not yet programed that Milo can't understand? He also stated they only worked on the project for a few months. Did you think you could be a real God in Black&White too? :lol:

Ok so exactly what was he showing then being that nothing was new or even useful then? Thanks for clearing that up, maybe you need to tell this to all of the lemmings that was boasting this as the next greatest thing then. Also clever how those few words was in the demo huh. Does the words STAGED mean anything to you?

milo = those robotic voices you get when you call the cinema when requesting film times.

people want to play a game not talk to it

milo was shown just for the wow factor, i admit that it did impress me but i wont go near that game

talking to any thing virtual is just wierd

[QUOTE="Return-Fire"]

He never said he created an AI that was self aware and could grasp the meaning of the words. It was clear it was voice recognition that can respond to a few words and yes those few words where in the demo, what do you think they are going to use words not yet programed that Milo can't understand? He also stated they only worked on the project for a few months. Did you think you could be a real God in Black&White too? :lol:

loco145

I'm sure he meant a new revolutionary way to play and interact with games not yet thought up by Sfi writersin the way thatNatal works. He did not mean he created skynet or Hal in a few months. :roll:

And you know the ds3 does more than tilt right? It has full movement left, right, forward, backwards and upside down right?GreyFoXX4

[QUOTE="loco145"]

[QUOTE="Return-Fire"]

He never said he created an AI that was self aware and could grasp the meaning of the words. It was clear it was voice recognition that can respond to a few words and yes those few words where in the demo, what do you think they are going to use words not yet programed that Milo can't understand? He also stated they only worked on the project for a few months. Did you think you could be a real God in Black&White too? :lol:

Return-Fire

I'm sure he meant a new revolutionary way to play and interact with games not yet thought up by Sfi writersin the way thatNatal works. He did not mean he created skynet or Hal in a few months. :roll:

P.S. Fixing to call my bud that was so happy about milo and ask him if he thought it was really understanding that lady or not. Or if he thought it was just voice tone recognition. I'll post back later with the out come.

[QUOTE="Return-Fire"]

[QUOTE="GreyFoXX4"] Peter said in the e3 demo that it works and it works today, now actually. And milo understood word for word at the beginning of that demo. So yes it portrayed that milo could understand her exactly, but milo does not. And the picture she drew is already being done in the eyepet game, but yet everyone was so wowed over that part of the demo.. I think yall are damage controlling that it actually does not owork the way that the staged demo portrayed. I'm done with this topic, lemmings came away from E3 boasting about natal instead of games and natal is being shot down left and right as just being staged and does not work as advertised in the e3 conference end of story. But yea as a UI I think natal will be awesome, but not so much in games.GreyFoXX4

He never said he created an AI that was self aware and could grasp the meaning of the words. It was clear it was voice recognition that can respond to a few words and yes those few words where in the demo, what do you think they are going to use words not yet programed that Milo can't understand? He also stated they only worked on the project for a few months. Did you think you could be a real God in Black&White too? :lol:

Ok so exactly what was he showing then being that nothing was new or even useful then? Thanks for clearing that up, maybe you need to tell this to all of the lemmings that was boasting this as the next greatest thing then. Also clever how those few words was in the demo huh. Does the words STAGED mean anything to you?

No lems were boasting over as it was a real skynet. I read some metions about interactions with NPS in a rpg, not real self awere AI. It's not staged it was a work in progess, hello.

[QUOTE="loco145"]

[QUOTE="Return-Fire"]

He never said he created an AI that was self aware and could grasp the meaning of the words. It was clear it was voice recognition that can respond to a few words and yes those few words where in the demo, what do you think they are going to use words not yet programed that Milo can't understand? He also stated they only worked on the project for a few months. Did you think you could be a real God in Black&White too? :lol:

Return-Fire

I'm sure he meant a new revolutionary way to play and interact with games not yet thought up by Sfi writersin the way thatNatal works. He did not mean he created skynet or Hal in a few months. :roll:

[QUOTE="loco145"]

[QUOTE="Return-Fire"]

He never said he created an AI that was self aware and could grasp the meaning of the words. It was clear it was voice recognition that can respond to a few words and yes those few words where in the demo, what do you think they are going to use words not yet programed that Milo can't understand? He also stated they only worked on the project for a few months. Did you think you could be a real God in Black&White too? :lol:

Return-Fire

I'm sure he meant a new revolutionary way to play and interact with games not yet thought up by Sfi writersin the way thatNatal works. He did not mean he created skynet or Hal in a few months. :roll:

[QUOTE="Baranga"]

[QUOTE="GreyFoXX4"] They said just like everyone else, its voice tone. So yes voice tone is different than actually understanding your words. So unless you were one of 1/1000 that actually thought milo was using voice tone and not actually understanding the ladies voice then I guess you knew it was false advertising the begin with lol. But gametrailer did have some rude things to say about milo so they were not happy at all with it. And they felt mislead.GreyFoXX4

You continue to disregard that Molyneux said he can recognize about 500 words as of now.

The clamour to call Milo a fake when no-one ever claimed he was real - Molyneux himself admitting to "tricks" - proves just how hair-raising, how unsettling Microsoft and Lionhead's achievement is.

Gotta love all of the fear this thing has caused. Is this the new craze? Everyday another expose on a tech demo.

Absolutely freaking hilarious.

Eurogamer: Bloody hell. Er, OK. A Times New Roman walks into a bar. The barman says, 'We don't serve your type.'

Milo: [Giggles]

Eurogamer: Bloody hell.

Peter Molyneux: Now, he didn't really understand every word you said, but from the tone of your voice he guessed you were telling a joke.

Best line from peter the whole interview.

Seriously Milo guessed, how many people believe that

The hypocrisy on these boards are ridiculous. If Sony or Nintendo had something similar up and it got exposed they would be ripped to shreds. Especially Sony. But since it's MS it's okay because Natal is still in the early stages,Milo has no effects on gaming,etc...

The hypocrisy on these boards are ridiculous. If Sony or Nintendo had something similar up and it got exposed they would be ripped to shreds. Especially Sony. But since it's MS it's okay because Natal is still in the early stages,Milo has no effects on gaming,etc...

coltsfan4ever

[QUOTE="GreyFoXX4"][QUOTE="Baranga"]

You continue to disregard that Molyneux said he can recognize about 500 words as of now.

The clamour to call Milo a fake when no-one ever claimed he was real - Molyneux himself admitting to "tricks" - proves just how hair-raising, how unsettling Microsoft and Lionhead's achievement is.

Brownesque

The only thing journalist have exposed is Milo isn't self aware nor can grasp the meaning of the words and it isn't ready. Well duh, no Milo isn't alive, and it's been only been worked on for a few months. Some one give the jouralist a cookie.

[QUOTE="coltsfan4ever"]

The hypocrisy on these boards are ridiculous. If Sony or Nintendo had something similar up and it got exposed they would be ripped to shreds. Especially Sony. But since it's MS it's okay because Natal is still in the early stages,Milo has no effects on gaming,etc...

AdmiralWolverin

The hypocrisy on these boards are ridiculous. If Sony or Nintendo had something similar up and it got exposed they would be ripped to shreds. Especially Sony. But since it's MS it's okay because Natal is still in the early stages,Milo has no effects on gaming,etc...

coltsfan4ever

Exposed!? Milo isn't even done or out yet, It's too early to say anything. Common sense would tell you Milo isn't alive.

[QUOTE="AdmiralWolverin"][QUOTE="coltsfan4ever"]

The hypocrisy on these boards are ridiculous. If Sony or Nintendo had something similar up and it got exposed they would be ripped to shreds. Especially Sony. But since it's MS it's okay because Natal is still in the early stages,Milo has no effects on gaming,etc...

coltsfan4ever

[QUOTE="coltsfan4ever"]

The hypocrisy on these boards are ridiculous. If Sony or Nintendo had something similar up and it got exposed they would be ripped to shreds. Especially Sony. But since it's MS it's okay because Natal is still in the early stages,Milo has no effects on gaming,etc...

Return-Fire

Exposed!? Milo isn't even done or out yet, It's too early to say anything. Common sense would tell you Milo isn't alive.

So why is Milo getting talked about so much again?Dr_Snood

Kotaku posted a simliar article and they were actually allowed to monitor the screens that the devs were using and confirmed that very little 'string pulling' was being done - it was more observational, they were monitoring databases to try to correct errors in real-time if they happened - stuff like this is common with tech-demo.

what really matters is how it turns out, not how it was done - it is proof of concept, not a product.

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[QUOTE="AdmiralWolverin"] too true but it's mainly cause it's molyneaux so lemmings are used to him making empty promises, they pretty much know how to react to anything peter says and get angry when anyone else actually believes him at face value either way, red steel 2! wooh!!!heretrix

[QUOTE="Dr_Snood"]So why is Milo getting talked about so much again?Bread_or_Decide

[QUOTE="heretrix"]

[QUOTE="coltsfan4ever"]lol. I agree. The 360 fans never seem to learn with Peter. They hype his games as the second coming and then when they dont deliver they go into a rage and send the guy death threats. I saw some footage of Red Steel 2 and that game looks very good. It looks like night and day from the first one.

coltsfan4ever

you know what - if you actually pay attention to him when he speaks you'd know that he's not overhyping the product, but speaking about concept.

he usually qualifies things like 'we're working on' or 'were playing around with', and then fans get upset when it doesn't work out. he speaks openly about what he's trying to achieve and what he's playing around with. i admire him for it even if it does get him in to a PR mess from time to time - but that's largely due to unrealistic expectations of fans, and people not paying attention to what he's saying.

people that criticize them do so unjustly i think. let him speak, at least it gets people thinking. he's also responsible for some of the best gaming there was to have on PC for quite a few years - so for that i give him quite a bit of credit.

i think it all boils down to fanboys not reading what he actually says, or just taking soundbites out of context to try to harpoon him.

Peters notorious for over exaggerating anything he is working on. And Spong also reported that Natal is not all its cracked up to be. That whole demo was just another fake trailer.

Peters notorious for over exaggerating anything he is working on. And Spong also reported that Natal is not all its cracked up to be. That whole demo was just another fake trailer.

2beers_in_hand

Okay, this is really pissing me off. How do you pronounce his name? Is it "Molynew" or exactly how it is spelled..."Molyneaux"? >_>SMR-Venom

[QUOTE="SMR-Venom"]Okay, this is really pissing me off. How do you pronounce his name? Is it "Molynew" or exactly how it is spelled..."Molyneaux"? >_>3picuri3

[QUOTE="3picuri3"][QUOTE="SMR-Venom"]Okay, this is really pissing me off. How do you pronounce his name? Is it "Molynew" or exactly how it is spelled..."Molyneaux"? >_>SMR-Venom

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[QUOTE="coltsfan4ever"]lol. I agree. The 360 fans never seem to learn with Peter. They hype his games as the second coming and then when they dont deliver they go into a rage and send the guy death threats. I saw some footage of Red Steel 2 and that game looks very good. It looks like night and day from the first one.

coltsfan4ever

I agree

[QUOTE="coltsfan4ever"]

[QUOTE="heretrix"]Peter M. Has made more good games than bad and is rightfully a legend in the industry. Know your history or be owned by it.

3picuri3

you know what - if you actually pay attention to him when he speaks you'd know that he's not overhyping the product, but speaking about concept.

he usually qualifies things like 'we're working on' or 'were playing around with', and then fans get upset when it doesn't work out. he speaks openly about what he's trying to achieve and what he's playing around with. i admire him for it even if it does get him in to a PR mess from time to time - but that's largely due to unrealistic expectations of fans, and people not paying attention to what he's saying.

people that criticize them do so unjustly i think. let him speak, at least it gets people thinking. he's also responsible for some of the best gaming there was to have on PC for quite a few years - so for that i give him quite a bit of credit.

i think it all boils down to fanboys not reading what he actually says, or just taking soundbites out of context to try to harpoon him.

QUOTE: "Science fiction writers, filmmakers, they haven't imagined what we're able to do today."

"This is true technology that science fiction has not even written about. And this works....today....now."

Then he tells us that it was not acted.

These are not unrealistic expectations set up by fans, first of all. The first two quotations are direct quotations from Molyneux. I've yet to see a fan say anything like that regarding the Milo and Kate project, and probably never will (keep in mind, it's not really a product yet, even the technology itself is referred to as "project natal").

As far as "not paying attention" to what Molyneux's saying....I seriously resent that considering I just watched the video a second time just to pull these direct quotes and listened intently to every word that Molyneux said. I'd be willing to bet that you haven't watched the video once with that kind of seriousness, so who are you to act the expert?

Additionally, I'm not even remotely convinced that this video was not acted, I'm willing to bet outright that was a complete lie.

[QUOTE="2beers_in_hand"]

Peters notorious for over exaggerating anything he is working on. And Spong also reported that Natal is not all its cracked up to be. That whole demo was just another fake trailer.

3picuri3

[QUOTE="VitunLehmat"]lol a blog post,cows and hater are trying way to hard to downplay Natal,most be the fear that natal might be good.delta3074

Milo makes babies cry and causes early pregnancies. Link

Milo makes babies cry and causes early pregnancies. Link

hukibeast

Milo is an axe murderer Link