Metacritic score of 89
Gamespot score of 85.
Where is this animosity towards Fable 2 coming from? I thought it was a great game and apparently so did most critics, it even grabbed a few GOTY awards. So why the sudden hate?
Fable 2, since when did it become a bad game
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Lol, i just picked it up today and its very fun. I dont know why it gets a bad rep.
________, since when did it become a bad game?
to answer this question.
It's System Wars....
Really? then try posting Uncharted 2 sucks anywhere and see if people will let it go by. Try saying God of War 2 was bad, or even that it was average. There is a general consensus of good games, pretty much anyone on SW agrees Uncharted 2 is a great game. When it comes to Fable or Halo though, people act like it fails but never cite any reasons, they just say it sucks, so I wanted to know why.________, since when did it become a bad game?
to answer this question.
It's System Wars....
LegatoSkyheart
I never hated the game personally, it was just a major disappointment. The first Fable felt revolutionary for a console game and definitely lived up to all the hype. The second... not so much. The reason for that was probably because before I bought Fable 2, I had already put forth 200+ hours into The Elder Scrolls IV Oblivion and that just was amazing. With Fable 2 I felt like I'd been ripped off from a real sequel, and it didn't have anything worthy in the game to be considered good, much less great.
*EDIT*: Read your last post, and the difference between Halo hate and Fable hate is that Halo is hated on because people loved it. Amazing sales (10+ million for Halo 3) and a 97 meta critic for Halo 1, 95 for Halo 2 and 94 for Halo 3. When a series get's big like that, people begin to nitpick at even the smallest things and eventually it leads to them disliking it entirely. Fable 2 was just a disappointment straight up.
Not sure, I personally enjoyed it along with millions of others.
[QUOTE="LegatoSkyheart"]Really? then try posting Uncharted 2 sucks anywhere and see if people will let it go by. Try saying God of War 2 was bad, or even that it was average. There is a general consensus of good games, pretty much anyone on SW agrees Uncharted 2 is a great game. When it comes to Fable or Halo though, people act like it fails but never cite any reasons, they just say it sucks, so I wanted to know why.________, since when did it become a bad game?
to answer this question.
It's System Wars....
themyth01
give it a few years, people will say it sucks.
Look at Final Fantasy 7, The game isn't bad it's just popular to say that it sucks.
Funny, before Fable 2 most people would say Fable was a disappointment.. So you think Fable 2 was a disappointment because it didn't revolutionize? you say it doesn't have good things but everything seemed good to me, better than the first even, what was so bad about it?I never hated the game personally, it was just a major disappointment. The first Fable felt revolutionary for a console game and definitely lived up to all the hype. The second... not so much. The reason for that was probably because before I bought Fable 2, I had already put forth 200+ hours into The Elder Scrolls IV Oblivion and that just was amazing. With Fable 2 I felt like I'd been ripped off from a real sequel, and it didn't have anything worthy in the game to be considered good, much less great.
macs77
didnt hate the game. i just find it ok. but i didnt finish the game. it made my first 360 experience E74. :?
This game is trash.
Thanks for showing what I meant. This is the basic generic response. Let's dissect it. Notice how there's no reasons to his argument. The argument shows no intention of trying to prove its validity. It simply states the hate and stops. This is what I'm referring to.This game is trash.
Rza_rectah
[QUOTE="Rza_rectah"]Thanks for showing what I meant. This is the basic generic response. Let's dissect it. Notice how there's no reasons to his argument. The argument shows no intention of trying to prove its validity. It simply states the hate and stops. This is what I'm referring to. im to tired to explain my reasoning, maybe tomorrow.This game is trash.
themyth01
Metacritic score of 89
Gamespot score of 85.
Where is this animosity towards Fable 2 coming from? I thought it was a great game and apparently so did most critics, it even grabbed a few GOTY awards. So why the sudden hate?
I think it would've been a lot more appreciated if not for Saolin's crazy rants. :PFunny, before Fable 2 most people would say Fable was a disappointment.. So you think Fable 2 was a disappointment because it didn't revolutionize? you say it doesn't have good things but everything seemed good to me, better than the first even, what was so bad about it?themyth01
The story was incredibly lackluster, in comparison to the interesting story I was given from Oblivion (nothing compared to Morrowind though). The gameplay felt outdated and clunky. Combat and fights felt incredibly easy and pointless, it would have been more interesting to have ran through them all. There just wasn't anything hugely new and improved, and that was a letdown. Even the conversations between NPC's were lame and boring, and again pointless. The game just wasn't what Fable was for a previous gen console. Lionhead studios basically moved onto a much superior piece of hardware and only decided to upgrade the engine it was running on.
Since it was released, given that it sucked a fat one.
REASONING:
For starters, the core game content is lame, with a short, poorly designed main quest, augmented by a handful of short, poorly designed sidequests that don't even try to make up in quantity what they lacked in quality; there aren't that many, and the few that are there are as sucky as the rest of the game, with perhaps one or two exceptions.
Then you have the incredibly bad story, a poorly implemented morality system, weak core mechanics, laughable character building, and a tiny, maddeningly restrictive gameworld that struggles pathetically to convince you that it is "open"and "free" whilst simultaneously restricting you to tiny paths and refusing you access to even blatantly visible landmarks.
Thrown in the numerous technical problems, the burdensome menus, and the jaw droppingly stupid level design and you've got a recipe for another massive hit from Sir Peter Molyneux, master bull **** artist and part-time game designer.
Also, for the record, I think the first Fable was much better. It wasn't a masterpiece, but it was fun, and it managed to be pretty good in a few areas, something Fable 2 wasn't nearly capable of doing.
game wasnt awful, but the coop was so horrible that I traded it in asap. Me and a buddy got it day one and were like hell yeah lets beat the game in coop. Oh wait you are forced to use1 screen basically. friend couldnt upload his character into my world and was stuck as some generic hero. soooo bad. Story was trash and combat was so simple it adversely effected the gameplay.
Quoted for truth. Yet, I still enjoyed Fable 2 a little bit.Since it was released, given that it sucked a fat one.
REASONING:
For starters, the core game content is lame, with a short, poorly designed main quest, augmented by a handful of short, poorly designed sidequests that don't even try to make up in quantity what they lacked in quality; there's aren't that many, and the few that are there are as sucky as the rest of the game, with perhaps one or two exceptions.
Then you have the incredibly bad story, a poorly implemented morality system, weak core mechanics, laughable character building, and a tiny, maddeningly restrictive gameworld that struggles pathetically to convince you that it is "open"and "free" whilst simultaneously restricting you to tiny paths and refusing you access to even blatantly visible landmarks.
Thrown in the numerous technical problems, the burdensome menus, and the jaw droppingly stupid level design and you've got a recipe for another massive hit from Sir Peter Molyneux, master bull **** artist and part-time game designer.
Also, for the record, I think the first Fable was much better. It wasn't a masterpiece, but it was fun, and it managed to be pretty good in a few areas, something Fable 2 wasn't nearly capable of doing.
jethrovegas
Personally, it was probably the worst game I've played this gen.
The RPG elements are there but they're even lighter than Mass Effect 2, and they're pretty much worthless because all you have to do to win every fight is max out one type of magic and spam it.
The combat was painfully dull.
The game was only around 20 hours even with doing most or all of the sidequests.
Dying was meaningless because you just got back up and got some scar, no penalty whatsoever after 2-3 scars.
No matter how much tofu you eat somehow my character always ends up looking like a chunky pirate.
The decisions and morality were about as shallow as they get. Oh I don't know, do I help the scary evil robber, or do I tell the nice happy guard? I wonder which one is evil :roll: ?
Getting people to like you is even more stupid, in fact a lot of people will marry you literally because you farted in their face a bunch.
The graphics were crap, textures were particularly weak, and environments were entirely limited to city, woods, and caves.
Characters are all pointless and unlikeable.
There no bosses except the trolls and those floating pyramid things.
The game is buggy as hell. I got stuck in walls frequently and had a game ending bug halfway through where a main character wouldn't continue the storyline.
Oh and the climax of the game is an absolute joke.
But hey you get to kick chickens, I guess that makes it great!
You mean short like Call of Duty, Uncharted, MGS4? You can swim, run, you can swing a sword and also shoot a gun, you have animals with their own animations, how doesn't it have many animations, did you work on the game? So it's not a complete open world? you mean like Uncharted, God of War, ...? Story and level design are a subjective matter, the story wasn't anything special like 90% of all other games, the level design was fine to me. I can think of Kingdom Hearts with worst gameplay and similar score and no hate. At least Fable 2 still lets you actually change the world upon the way you play it, unlike most other games. The issues you mentioned which aren't really issues or things that are present in even top games today doesn't really explain why hate on it.Since it was released, given that it sucked a fat one.
REASONING:
For starters, the core game content is lame, with a short, poorly designed main quest, augmented by a handful of short, poorly designed sidequests that don't even try to make up in quantity what they lacked in quality; there's aren't that many, and the few that are there are as sucky as the rest of the game, with perhaps one or two exceptions.
Then you have the incredibly bad story, a poorly implemented morality system, weak core mechanics, laughable character building, and a tiny, maddeningly restrictive gameworld that struggles pathetically to convince you that it is "open"and "free" whilst simultaneously restricting you to tiny paths and refusing you access to even blatantly visible landmarks.
Thrown in the numerous technical problems, the burdensome menus, and the jaw droppingly stupid level design and you've got a recipe for another massive hit from Sir Peter Molyneux, master bull **** artist and part-time game designer.
Also, for the record, I think the first Fable was much better. It wasn't a masterpiece, but it was fun, and it managed to be pretty good in a few areas, something Fable 2 wasn't nearly capable of doing.
jethrovegas
Developer already said it's not supposed to be an RPG but an action adventure game, if that's what you wanted then I can see how you may be disappointed but no reason to hate on the game for not being what you wanted it to be. Gameplay felt fine to me, was fun and most definitely better than turn-based, maybe because I've played Kingdom Hearts a lot and that game has worse gameplay. Graphics are fine, I'm guessing you only like Uncharted 2-level graphics or it sucks.. A lot of your personal tastes... Only 20 hours long? yea... that's definitely why it sucks, you're right, my bad.Personally, it was probably the worst game I've played this gen.
The RPG elements are there but they're even lighter than Mass Effect 2, and they're pretty much worthless because all you have to do to win every fight is max out one type of magic and spam it.
The combat was painfully dull.
The game was only around 20 hours even with doing most or all of the sidequests.
Dying was meaningless because you just got back up and got some scar, no penalty whatsoever after 2-3 scars.
No matter how much tofu you eat somehow my character always ends up looking like a chunky pirate.
The decisions and morality were about as shallow as they get. Oh I don't know, do I help the scary evil robber, or do I tell the nice happy guard? I wonder which one is evil :roll:?
Getting people to like you is even more stupid, in fact a lot of people will marry you literally because you farted in their face a bunch.
The graphics were crap, textures were particularly weak, and environments were entirely limited to city, outside, caves.
Characters are all pointless and unlikeable.
There no bosses except the trolls and those floating pyramid things.
The game is buggy as hell. I got stuck in walls frequently and had a game ending bug halfway through where a main character wouldn't continue the storyline.
Oh and the climax of the game is an absolute joke.
But hey you get to kick chickens, I guess that makes it great!
Vaasman
[QUOTE="jethrovegas"]You mean short like Call of Duty, Uncharted, MGS4? You can swim, run, you can swing a sword and also shoot a gun, you have animals with their own animations, how doesn't it have many animations, did you work on the game? So it's not a complete open world? you mean like Uncharted, God of War, ...? Story and level design are a subjective matter, the story wasn't anything special like 90% of all other games, the level design was fine to me. I can think of Kingdom Hearts with worst gameplay and similar score and no hate. At least Fable 2 still lets you actually change the world upon the way you play it, unlike most other games. The issues you mentioned which aren't really issues or things that are present in even top games today doesn't really explain why hate on it. Uncharted, Call of Duty and MGS4 aren't hyped as open world RPGs though :|Since it was released, given that it sucked a fat one.
REASONING:
For starters, the core game content is lame, with a short, poorly designed main quest, augmented by a handful of short, poorly designed sidequests that don't even try to make up in quantity what they lacked in quality; there's aren't that many, and the few that are there are as sucky as the rest of the game, with perhaps one or two exceptions.
Then you have the incredibly bad story, a poorly implemented morality system, weak core mechanics, laughable character building, and a tiny, maddeningly restrictive gameworld that struggles pathetically to convince you that it is "open"and "free" whilst simultaneously restricting you to tiny paths and refusing you access to even blatantly visible landmarks.
Thrown in the numerous technical problems, the burdensome menus, and the jaw droppingly stupid level design and you've got a recipe for another massive hit from Sir Peter Molyneux, master bull **** artist and part-time game designer.
Also, for the record, I think the first Fable was much better. It wasn't a masterpiece, but it was fun, and it managed to be pretty good in a few areas, something Fable 2 wasn't nearly capable of doing.
themyth01
[QUOTE="themyth01"][QUOTE="jethrovegas"]You mean short like Call of Duty, Uncharted, MGS4? You can swim, run, you can swing a sword and also shoot a gun, you have animals with their own animations, how doesn't it have many animations, did you work on the game? So it's not a complete open world? you mean like Uncharted, God of War, ...? Story and level design are a subjective matter, the story wasn't anything special like 90% of all other games, the level design was fine to me. I can think of Kingdom Hearts with worst gameplay and similar score and no hate. At least Fable 2 still lets you actually change the world upon the way you play it, unlike most other games. The issues you mentioned which aren't really issues or things that are present in even top games today doesn't really explain why hate on it. Uncharted, Call of Duty and MGS4 aren't hyped as open world RPGs though :| Neither was this. Most of the talk of the game was about how your actions would have consequences, which they do. Peter Molyneux said Fable is an action adventure game, not an RPG.Since it was released, given that it sucked a fat one.
REASONING:
For starters, the core game content is lame, with a short, poorly designed main quest, augmented by a handful of short, poorly designed sidequests that don't even try to make up in quantity what they lacked in quality; there's aren't that many, and the few that are there are as sucky as the rest of the game, with perhaps one or two exceptions.
Then you have the incredibly bad story, a poorly implemented morality system, weak core mechanics, laughable character building, and a tiny, maddeningly restrictive gameworld that struggles pathetically to convince you that it is "open"and "free" whilst simultaneously restricting you to tiny paths and refusing you access to even blatantly visible landmarks.
Thrown in the numerous technical problems, the burdensome menus, and the jaw droppingly stupid level design and you've got a recipe for another massive hit from Sir Peter Molyneux, master bull **** artist and part-time game designer.
Also, for the record, I think the first Fable was much better. It wasn't a masterpiece, but it was fun, and it managed to be pretty good in a few areas, something Fable 2 wasn't nearly capable of doing.
Juggernaut140
Yea using armor for aesthetic completely ruins it, how could I have missed that. I mean here I was thinking the fun gameplay mechanics, the ability to change the world through your actions, ability to socialize, the dog, the varied artwork and environments, the big world to explore, and the ability to step in someone else's world made it at least great. Silly me.Also the fact that armor was only useful for aesthetic purposes was completely stupid.
Fizzman
Developer already said it's not supposed to be an RPG but an action adventure game, if that's what you wanted then I can see how you may be disappointed but no reason to hate on the game for not being what you wanted it to be. Gameplay felt fine to me, was fun and most definitely better than turn-based, maybe because I've played Kingdom Hearts a lot and that game has worse gameplay. Graphics are fine, I'm guessing you only like Uncharted 2-level graphics or it sucks.. A lot of your personal tastes... Only 20 hours long? yea... that's definitely why it sucks, you're right, my bad.You're thinking of Fable 3, Fable 2 was hyped as an open-world RPG. 20 hours tops, with side quests and no multiplayer is not that much frankly even if it was an action adventure. Hell Metroid prime was like 20 hours just for the main quest even if you did no exploring.The main quest in Fable 2 though is like 7-8 hours long at best, which is short even by action game standards, and I honestly wouldn't put all 20 hours into this game because sidequests are as shallow as any MMO fetch quests.[QUOTE="Vaasman"]
Personally, it was probably the worst game I've played this gen.
The RPG elements are there but they're even lighter than Mass Effect 2, and they're pretty much worthless because all you have to do to win every fight is max out one type of magic and spam it.
The combat was painfully dull.
The game was only around 20 hours even with doing most or all of the sidequests.
Dying was meaningless because you just got back up and got some scar, no penalty whatsoever after 2-3 scars.
No matter how much tofu you eat somehow my character always ends up looking like a chunky pirate.
The decisions and morality were about as shallow as they get. Oh I don't know, do I help the scary evil robber, or do I tell the nice happy guard? I wonder which one is evil :roll:?
Getting people to like you is even more stupid, in fact a lot of people will marry you literally because you farted in their face a bunch.
The graphics were crap, textures were particularly weak, and environments were entirely limited to city, outside, caves.
Characters are all pointless and unlikeable.
There no bosses except the trolls and those floating pyramid things.
The game is buggy as hell. I got stuck in walls frequently and had a game ending bug halfway through where a main character wouldn't continue the storyline.
Oh and the climax of the game is an absolute joke.
But hey you get to kick chickens, I guess that makes it great!
themyth01
You mean short like Call of Duty, Uncharted, MGS4? You can swim, run, you can swing a sword and also shoot a gun, you have animals with their own animations, how doesn't it have many animations, did you work on the game? So it's not a complete open world? you mean like Uncharted, God of War, ...? Story and level design are a subjective matter, the story wasn't anything special like 90% of all other games, the level design was fine to me. I can think of Kingdom Hearts with worst gameplay and similar score and no hate. At least Fable 2 still lets you actually change the world upon the way you play it, unlike most other games. The issues you mentioned which aren't really issues or things that are present in even top games today doesn't really explain why hate on it. themyth01
I'm sorry, when did we start discussing those games? Oh yeah, right after the part where you realised how difficult Fable 2 is to defend.
Right, and if you can subjectively defend Fable 2's story and level design as being anything other than complete trash, I'd love to hear it.
Actually, I think I explained my hate for it quite handily. Just read my post again, I'd rather not reiterate.
Uncharted, Call of Duty and MGS4 aren't hyped as open world RPGs though :| Neither was this. Most of the talk of the game was about how your actions would have consequences, which they do. Peter Molyneux said Fable is an action adventure game, not an RPG.I seem to recall things about wanting to make "the best RPG ever" regarding the Fable series, and that "Fable 2 is a Role Playing Game first and foremost." And some trash talking other RPGs for good measure.[QUOTE="Juggernaut140"][QUOTE="themyth01"] You mean short like Call of Duty, Uncharted, MGS4? You can swim, run, you can swing a sword and also shoot a gun, you have animals with their own animations, how doesn't it have many animations, did you work on the game? So it's not a complete open world? you mean like Uncharted, God of War, ...? Story and level design are a subjective matter, the story wasn't anything special like 90% of all other games, the level design was fine to me. I can think of Kingdom Hearts with worst gameplay and similar score and no hate. At least Fable 2 still lets you actually change the world upon the way you play it, unlike most other games. The issues you mentioned which aren't really issues or things that are present in even top games today doesn't really explain why hate on it. themyth01
But ok sure, saying its an action adventure game now obviously erases the past. :/
None of those games you listed claim to be RPGs, they are shooter or action adventure fare, and have typical length and format for those genres.
It's a great game. Cows just like to tell themselves it's a bad game because it's not on their precious PS3. That's how it goes.
Developer already said it's not supposed to be an RPG but an action adventure game, if that's what you wanted then I can see how you may be disappointed but no reason to hate on the game for not being what you wanted it to be. Gameplay felt fine to me, was fun and most definitely better than turn-based, maybe because I've played Kingdom Hearts a lot and that game has worse gameplay. Graphics are fine, I'm guessing you only like Uncharted 2-level graphics or it sucks.. A lot of your personal tastes... Only 20 hours long? yea... that's definitely why it sucks, you're right, my bad.You're thinking of Fable 3, Fable 2 was hyped as an open-world RPG. 20 hours tops, with side quests and no multiplayer is not that much frankly even if it was an action adventure. Hell Metroid prime was like 20 hours just for the main quest.The main quest itself is like 7-8 hours long at best anyway, which is short even by action game standards, and I honestly wouldn't put all 20 hours into this game because sidequests are as shallow as any MMO fetch quests. It is open world and it has RPG elements, but I don't recall this hype for being some MMO kind of game, do you have a link? It seems you're just not that into it, the gameplay is there but you choose to ignore it. We have many 7-8 hour games like Heavy Rain, Uncharted, etc.. Fable 2 at least has side quests even if you don't like them. Apart from your dislike of the game, what is wrong with the game itself that would put it below other great titles. I could say MGS4 sucks, long cutscenes, boring gameplay mechanics, and you have long installs between chapters, but I don't say it, because just because I don't like the game doesn't make it bad.[QUOTE="themyth01"]
[QUOTE="Vaasman"]
Personally, it was probably the worst game I've played this gen.
The RPG elements are there but they're even lighter than Mass Effect 2, and they're pretty much worthless because all you have to do to win every fight is max out one type of magic and spam it.
The combat was painfully dull.
The game was only around 20 hours even with doing most or all of the sidequests.
Dying was meaningless because you just got back up and got some scar, no penalty whatsoever after 2-3 scars.
No matter how much tofu you eat somehow my character always ends up looking like a chunky pirate.
The decisions and morality were about as shallow as they get. Oh I don't know, do I help the scary evil robber, or do I tell the nice happy guard? I wonder which one is evil :roll:?
Getting people to like you is even more stupid, in fact a lot of people will marry you literally because you farted in their face a bunch.
The graphics were crap, textures were particularly weak, and environments were entirely limited to city, outside, caves.
Characters are all pointless and unlikeable.
There no bosses except the trolls and those floating pyramid things.
The game is buggy as hell. I got stuck in walls frequently and had a game ending bug halfway through where a main character wouldn't continue the storyline.
Oh and the climax of the game is an absolute joke.
But hey you get to kick chickens, I guess that makes it great!
Vaasman
It fell short of hype that was produced by the creator. The combat was clunky and kinda slow for me. Me and a pal bought excited to push through it co-op, co-op was complete garbage in every way shape and form. The professions were very disappointing, and shallow. Uninspired story. Yeah if thats not enought to dislike a game, then i dont understand your standards.
I always find claims like this silly. If cows were so jealous of fable 2, and Halo they would buy a 360.It's a great game. Cows just like to tell themselves it's a bad game because it's not on their precious PS3. That's how it goes.
EndorphinMaster
[QUOTE="themyth01"]You mean short like Call of Duty, Uncharted, MGS4? You can swim, run, you can swing a sword and also shoot a gun, you have animals with their own animations, how doesn't it have many animations, did you work on the game? So it's not a complete open world? you mean like Uncharted, God of War, ...? Story and level design are a subjective matter, the story wasn't anything special like 90% of all other games, the level design was fine to me. I can think of Kingdom Hearts with worst gameplay and similar score and no hate. At least Fable 2 still lets you actually change the world upon the way you play it, unlike most other games. The issues you mentioned which aren't really issues or things that are present in even top games today doesn't really explain why hate on it. jethrovegas
I'm sorry, when did we start discussing those games? Oh yeah, right after the part where you realised how difficult Fable 2 is to defend.
Right, and if you can subjectively defend Fable 2's story and level design as being anything other than complete trash, I'd love to hear it.
Actually, I think I explained my hate for it quite handily. Just read my post again, I'd rather not reiterate.
This is about Fable 2's quality, quality can be set by comparison. I never said you mentioned those titles. You're finding supposed issues that the so considered "best" games have and saying Fable 2 sucks because of it. Seriously? :roll:
I am not defending Fable 2's story, did you even read? I said it's as generic as 90% of other video games, you know like hunting down lost treasures. How the hell is the level design trash? just because you say so? please... who made your opinion fact?
Hate for any game is simply stupid, but it's funny seeing how badly your attempt to hate on this game is.
I always find claims like this silly. If cows were so jealous of fable 2, and Halo they would buy a 360. That's why they're cows, isn't it. Because they follow Sony with complete loyalty and ignore other great games. Otherwise they'd be gamers, not cows.[QUOTE="EndorphinMaster"]
It's a great game. Cows just like to tell themselves it's a bad game because it's not on their precious PS3. That's how it goes.
brennan7777
Uncharted, Call of Duty and MGS4 aren't hyped as open world RPGs though :| Most of the talk of the game was about how your actions would have consequences, which they do. Haha, no they most certainly don't[QUOTE="Juggernaut140"][QUOTE="themyth01"] You mean short like Call of Duty, Uncharted, MGS4? You can swim, run, you can swing a sword and also shoot a gun, you have animals with their own animations, how doesn't it have many animations, did you work on the game? So it's not a complete open world? you mean like Uncharted, God of War, ...? Story and level design are a subjective matter, the story wasn't anything special like 90% of all other games, the level design was fine to me. I can think of Kingdom Hearts with worst gameplay and similar score and no hate. At least Fable 2 still lets you actually change the world upon the way you play it, unlike most other games. The issues you mentioned which aren't really issues or things that are present in even top games today doesn't really explain why hate on it. themyth01
Most of the talk of the game was about how your actions would have consequences, which they do. Haha, no they most certainly don't So the world and AI reactions being different was just part of some random bug I'm sure.[QUOTE="themyth01"]
[QUOTE="Juggernaut140"] Uncharted, Call of Duty and MGS4 aren't hyped as open world RPGs though :|Juggernaut140
[QUOTE="Vaasman"]You're thinking of Fable 3, Fable 2 was hyped as an open-world RPG. 20 hours tops, with side quests and no multiplayer is not that much frankly even if it was an action adventure. Hell Metroid prime was like 20 hours just for the main quest.The main quest itself is like 7-8 hours long at best anyway, which is short even by action game standards, and I honestly wouldn't put all 20 hours into this game because sidequests are as shallow as any MMO fetch quests. It is open world and it has RPG elements, but I don't recall this hype for being some MMO kind of game, do you have a link? It seems you're just not that into it, the gameplay is there but you choose to ignore it. We have many 7-8 hour games like Heavy Rain, Uncharted, etc.. Fable 2 at least has side quests even if you don't like them. Apart from your dislike of the game, what is wrong with the game itself that would put it below other great titles. I could say MGS4 sucks, long cutscenes, boring gameplay mechanics, and you have long installs between chapters, but I don't say it, because just because I don't like the game doesn't make it bad. I choose to ignore what gameplay? The combat? The combat is one button to shoot, one button to melee, and one button to magic. Using these things in tandem is the game's strong point, but trying to specialize in any way will give way to 1 button combat, and the game penalizes you for not specializing because by the end everything just feels extremely weak. Or maybe you're talking about the work in game. Sitting there waiting for the cursor a jillion times in blacksmithing and log cutting is intensely boring, and it's necessary too if you want any decent weapons or clothes, because adventuring itself has almost no rewards.[QUOTE="themyth01"] Developer already said it's not supposed to be an RPG but an action adventure game, if that's what you wanted then I can see how you may be disappointed but no reason to hate on the game for not being what you wanted it to be. Gameplay felt fine to me, was fun and most definitely better than turn-based, maybe because I've played Kingdom Hearts a lot and that game has worse gameplay. Graphics are fine, I'm guessing you only like Uncharted 2-level graphics or it sucks.. A lot of your personal tastes... Only 20 hours long? yea... that's definitely why it sucks, you're right, my bad.
themyth01
http://www.gamespot.com/xbox360/rpg/fable2/video/6174526/fable-2-interview-2
Here's a funny interview where peter tries to pretend it's combat is as deep as any game, and describes it as an RPG at least once.
This is about Fable 2's quality, quality can be set by comparison. I never said you mentioned those titles. You're finding supposed issues that the so considered "best" games have and saying Fable 2 sucks because of it. Seriously? :roll:
I am not defending Fable 2's story, did you even read? I said it's as generic as 90% of other video games, you know like hunting down lost treasures. How the hell is the level design trash? just because you say so? please... who made your opinion fact?
Hate for any game is simply stupid, but it's funny seeing how badly your attempt to hate on this game is.
themyth01
Hate for "any game" is not necessarily stupid, and certainly not just simply stupid.
Sometimes, certain games deserve hate. Fable 2 is, in my estimation, one of those games.
If you aren't defending Fable 2's story, then why are we discussing it? So plenty of other games have bad stories, OK, who cares? How is that relevant to the discussion? Redemption by comparison? Sure, if every other video game ever made was bad, which clearly isn't the case.
Fable 2 tells a story, that story belongs to Fable 2, is told through Fable 2, and is bad as its own story, specifically, within the context of Fable 2 telling that story to the player. Is that precise and focused enough for you, or do you want to do a cross examination with Medal of Honor?
I'm not sitting there playing Fable 2 saying "well ****, at least it isn't as bad as that other game", I'm playing Fable 2 and deciding whether or not it clicks with me, for what it is, nothing more, nothing less.
P.S. The level design has no flow. It's ugly, and unfocused, and maddeningly restrictive (don't tell me you didn't want to go to the ****ing lighthouse) and contrived, and artificial, and honestly just one of many problems with the game.
I choose to ignore what gameplay? The combat? The combat is one button to shoot, one button to melee, and one button to magic. Using these things in tandem is the game's strong point, but trying to specialize in any way will give way to 1 button combat, and the game penalizes you for not specializing because by the end everything just feels extremely weak. Or maybe you're talking about the work in game. Sitting there waiting for the cursor a jillion times in blacksmithing and log cutting is intensely boring, and it's necessary too if you want any decent weapons or clothes, because adventuring itself has almost no rewards.
Here's a funny interview where peter tries to pretend it's combat is as deep as any game, anddescribes it as anRPG at least once.
Vaasman
The combat is great, it's fun and simple but not as deep as a game as NG. You can combine magic, range and melee attacks at your discretion. The best way is to combine these attacks. But would being a button smasher make it suck, I mean other games do it and they seem to get a lot of praise for it. I never thought getting equipment was an issue at all, making money is easy and there's no need for grinding. So you can just focus on the game and side-quests which handles itself nicely in a non-linear way. The combat is just fine. Still fail to see how the game sucks, not saying it's perfect but I'd say it's far from bad.
The game also gives you a lot of freedom on how to handle things and lets you handle more of the character's life than any other game.This review explains it nicely:
"Fable is a rare role playing game that offers incredibly deep customization, ****and exploration. It can be both charming and disturbing. Its missions offer equal parts of satisfaction and tragedy, and when you're not on a mission you'll be making your own bed in which to lie (including a dog, he's literally always around)."
[QUOTE="themyth01"]
This is about Fable 2's quality, quality can be set by comparison. I never said you mentioned those titles. You're finding supposed issues that the so considered "best" games have and saying Fable 2 sucks because of it. Seriously? :roll:
I am not defending Fable 2's story, did you even read? I said it's as generic as 90% of other video games, you know like hunting down lost treasures. How the hell is the level design trash? just because you say so? please... who made your opinion fact?
Hate for any game is simply stupid, but it's funny seeing how badly your attempt to hate on this game is.
jethrovegas
Hate for "any game" is not necessarily stupid, and certainly not just simply stupid.
Sometimes, certain games deserve hate. Fable 2 is, in my estimation, one of those games.
If you aren't defending Fable 2's story, then why are we discussing it? So plenty of other games have bad stories, OK, who cares? How is that relevant to the discussion? Redemption by comparison? Sure, if every other video game ever made was bad, which clearly isn't the case.
Fable 2 tells a story, that story belongs to Fable 2, is told through Fable 2, and is bad as its own story, specifically, within the context of Fable 2 telling that story to the player. Is that precise and focused enough for you, or do you want to do a cross examination with Medal of Honor?
I'm not sitting there playing Fable 2 saying "well ****, at least it isn't as bad as that other game", I'm playing Fable 2 and deciding whether or not it clicks with me, for what it is, nothing more, nothing less.
P.S. The level design has no flow. It's ugly, and unfocused, and maddeningly restrictive (don't tell me you didn't want to go to the ****ing lighthouse) and contrived, and artificial, and honestly just one of many problems with the game.
Yes, it is. A wise person would ignore a game he/she dislikes and be done with it. Hating on it shows an emotional attachment to a piece of software.
It's especially interesting when it's about a game like Fable 2, which simply is not a bad game. It may not be the best game out there but it's definitely not the worst and far from bad. And most critics agree. Along with over 3 million people.
The thing you're missing about Fable 2's story is not how it goes but how you can affect it and that's what this game does like no other. If I played games for a story I wouldn't be playing games, I'd be reading books or watching movies. Just what game do you think have great stories then?
Whether you like the game or not is irrelevant. The issues you mentioned are things personal to you, to me they were non-issues as well as to most critics.
[QUOTE="jethrovegas"]
[QUOTE="themyth01"]
This is about Fable 2's quality, quality can be set by comparison. I never said you mentioned those titles. You're finding supposed issues that the so considered "best" games have and saying Fable 2 sucks because of it. Seriously? :roll:
I am not defending Fable 2's story, did you even read? I said it's as generic as 90% of other video games, you know like hunting down lost treasures. How the hell is the level design trash? just because you say so? please... who made your opinion fact?
Hate for any game is simply stupid, but it's funny seeing how badly your attempt to hate on this game is.
themyth01
Hate for "any game" is not necessarily stupid, and certainly not just simply stupid.
Sometimes, certain games deserve hate. Fable 2 is, in my estimation, one of those games.
If you aren't defending Fable 2's story, then why are we discussing it? So plenty of other games have bad stories, OK, who cares? How is that relevant to the discussion? Redemption by comparison? Sure, if every other video game ever made was bad, which clearly isn't the case.
Fable 2 tells a story, that story belongs to Fable 2, is told through Fable 2, and is bad as its own story, specifically, within the context of Fable 2 telling that story to the player. Is that precise and focused enough for you, or do you want to do a cross examination with Medal of Honor?
I'm not sitting there playing Fable 2 saying "well ****, at least it isn't as bad as that other game", I'm playing Fable 2 and deciding whether or not it clicks with me, for what it is, nothing more, nothing less.
P.S. The level design has no flow. It's ugly, and unfocused, and maddeningly restrictive (don't tell me you didn't want to go to the ****ing lighthouse) and contrived, and artificial, and honestly just one of many problems with the game.
Yes, it is. A wise person would ignore a game he/she dislikes and be done with it. Hating on it shows an emotional attachment to a piece of software.
It's especially interesting when it's about a game like Fable 2, which simply is not a bad game. It may not be the best game out there but it's definitely not the worst and far from bad. And most critics agree. Along with over 3 million people.
The thing you're missing about Fable 2's story is not how it goes but how you can affect it and that's what this game does like no other. If I played games for a story I wouldn't be playing games, I'd be reading books or watching movies. Just what game do you think have great stories then?
Whether you like the game or not is irrelevant. The issues you mentioned are things personal to you, to me they were non-issues as well as to most critics.
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