Face it graphics junkies.

[QUOTE="STABW0UND"][QUOTE="briguyb13"][QUOTE="STABW0UND"][QUOTE="briguyb13"][QUOTE="STABW0UND"]

[QUOTE="briguyb13"][QUOTE="daveg1"]because its cheap and people will soon catch on what the console is capable of and it will flop!briguyb13

thats honestly the stupisest logic i have ever heard.... i guess furby didnt flop :/

yeah, people always attack grammer when they cant think of anything else to say.

thats what people will be saying about the wii in a few years xD

yeah im such a fanboy i own all 3 consoles :roll: great logic you have there. 

[QUOTE="briguyb13"][QUOTE="STABW0UND"][QUOTE="briguyb13"][QUOTE="STABW0UND"][QUOTE="briguyb13"][QUOTE="STABW0UND"]

[QUOTE="briguyb13"][QUOTE="daveg1"]because its cheap and people will soon catch on what the console is capable of and it will flop!STABW0UND

thats honestly the stupisest logic i have ever heard.... i guess furby didnt flop :/

yeah, people always attack grammer when they cant think of anything else to say.

thats what people will be saying about the wii in a few years xD

yeah im such a fanboy i own all 3 consoles :roll: great logic you have there. 

[QUOTE="STABW0UND"][QUOTE="briguyb13"][QUOTE="STABW0UND"][QUOTE="briguyb13"][QUOTE="STABW0UND"][QUOTE="briguyb13"][QUOTE="STABW0UND"]

[QUOTE="briguyb13"][QUOTE="daveg1"]because its cheap and people will soon catch on what the console is capable of and it will flop!briguyb13

thats honestly the stupisest logic i have ever heard.... i guess furby didnt flop :/

yeah, people always attack grammer when they cant think of anything else to say.

thats what people will be saying about the wii in a few years xD

yeah im such a fanboy i own all 3 consoles :roll: great logic you have there.

yeah like wii. no but seriously it was one of the biggest things in the world at the time. unless you where too young to know about it xD 

[QUOTE="STABW0UND"][QUOTE="briguyb13"][QUOTE="STABW0UND"]

[QUOTE="briguyb13"][QUOTE="daveg1"]because its cheap and people will soon catch on what the console is capable of and it will flop!daveg1

thats honestly the stupisest logic i have ever heard.... i guess furby didnt flop :/

yeah, people always attack grammer when they cant think of anything else to say. 

[QUOTE="briguyb13"][QUOTE="STABW0UND"][QUOTE="briguyb13"][QUOTE="STABW0UND"]

[QUOTE="briguyb13"][QUOTE="daveg1"]because its cheap and people will soon catch on what the console is capable of and it will flop!STABW0UND

thats honestly the stupisest logic i have ever heard.... i guess furby didnt flop :/

yeah, people always attack grammer when they cant think of anything else to say.

thats what people will be saying about the wii in a few years xD

ROFL nice one :lol:  :D :lol:

[QUOTE="Oemenia"]

Yet your games suck

Yet your upcoming games suck

Yet your online play is pathetic

Your onlive service as a whole is a joke

Nintendo arent doing anything for the industry, they are taking it backwards

briguyb13

Well at least two people have that opinion now. 

Yet your games suck

Yet your upcoming games suck

Yet your online play is pathetic

Your onlive service as a whole is a joke

Nintendo arent doing anything for the industry, they are taking it backwards 

Oemenia

And not all games suck, the 1st party titles and the Godfather are actually pretty damn awsome.

when I can afford too.briguyb13

Yea, I hear that.

Yet your games suck

Yet your upcoming games suck

Yet your online play is pathetic

Your onlive service as a whole is a joke

Nintendo arent doing anything for the industry, they are taking it backwards 

Oemenia

1. the games do not suck.   The best wii games are pretty great imo, and passable by any gamers standards.  Excite truck, godfather, wiisports, rayman, warioware, super paper mario, and twilight princess off the top of my head.  I would say the ps3 games suck, but maybe that's because I dont own a ps3, so it would only seem that way because I dont know what I"m talking about.  Like you.

2. as mentioned, ssbb, smg, mp3, all of which can stand up against any competition, bar none.  Dont say GTA4 or Halo3 or Metal gear, because although all those games are great, they are not objectively better unless you measure a game's superiority by its polygon count. 

 And xbox 360 had a year edge, and its games are not even that much bettter.  The most overrated games of this gen are xbox 360 games, which gamespot went way overboard with because it was comepeting against last gen games, and you can tell that if you read the reviews.

3., 4.  Nintendo's online has surprised many people by how great it is.  It is not as good as live and it is not as good as home, but it is not a runaway difference like the graphics edge the other two consoles have.  And remember, it can be updated at any time and with a few tweaks it would rival even the almighty live.   Also, dont forget that the more users a console has, the better its online will be.  Nintendo's sales success already makes its online better than the ps3's.  Lastly, I'm no computer expert, but if the wii's games are graphically inferior, wont that make its online smoother, since the connection will have less load to carry?

5. how is nintendo taking the industry backwards?  The pointer cursor and motion sensing are HUGE  advancements in gaming technology, and there is no going back.  The pointer cursor especially, which puts analog controls to shame in many respects, and works in tandem with analog controls in places where a cursor does not help.  If you played a wii game that didn't just tack the controls on, but rather integrated them completely you might agree (wiisports, need for speed, excite truck, godfather to an extent, ssx, warioware, and there's more right now I'm sure).

[QUOTE="Oemenia"]

Yet your games suck

Yet your upcoming games suck

Yet your online play is pathetic

Your onlive service as a whole is a joke

Nintendo arent doing anything for the industry, they are taking it backwards 

GunSmith1_basic

1. the games do not suck.   The best wii games are pretty great imo, and passable by any gamers standards.  Excite truck, godfather, wiisports, rayman, warioware, super paper mario, and twilight princess off the top of my head.  I would say the ps3 games suck, but maybe that's because I dont own a ps3, so it would only seem that way because I dont know what I"m talking about.  Like you.

2. as mentioned, ssbb, smg, mp3, all of which can stand up against any competition, bar none.  Dont say GTA4 or Halo3 or Metal gear, because although all those games are great, they are not objectively better unless you measure a game's superiority by its polygon count. 

 And xbox 360 had a year edge, and its games are not even that much bettter.  The most overrated games of this gen are xbox 360 games, which gamespot went way overboard with because it was comepeting against last gen games, and you can tell that if you read the reviews.

3., 4.  Nintendo's online has surprised many people by how great it is.  It is not as good as live and it is not as good as home, but it is not a runaway difference like the graphics edge the other two consoles have.  And remember, it can be updated at any time and with a few tweaks it would rival even the almighty live.   Also, dont forget that the more users a console has, the better its online will be.  Nintendo's sales success already makes its online better than the ps3's.  Lastly, I'm no computer expert, but if the wii's games are graphically inferior, wont that make its online smoother, since the connection will have less load to carry?

5. how is nintendo taking the industry backwards?  The pointer cursor and motion sensing are HUGE  advancements in gaming technology, and there is no going back.  The pointer cursor especially, which puts analog controls to shame in many respects, and works in tandem with analog controls in places where a cursor does not help.  If you played a wii game that didn't just tack the controls on, but rather integrated them completely you might agree (wiisports, need for speed, excite truck, godfather to an extent, ssx, warioware, and there's more right now I'm sure).

LOL this is system wars..... its always gonna be like this, if it wasn't gamespot would of been close this down.

[QUOTE="briguyb13"][QUOTE="Oemenia"]

Yet your games suck

Yet your upcoming games suck

Yet your online play is pathetic

Your onlive service as a whole is a joke

Nintendo arent doing anything for the industry, they are taking it backwards

Oemenia

Therefore Fiddy Cent is the greatest game of 2005? Better than RE4 im guessing?

sales mean somthing.  

Ask yourself this question, if the PS3 was $375 would the Wii have sold as many consoles?miss_kitt3n

they would never be able to make the ps3 as it is for 375.

your argument doesnt work, thats like asking if corvettes were $100 would it sell.  

because its cheap and people will soon catch on what the console is capable of and it will flop!daveg1

i support Wii but i gotta say the graphics on Wii is nothing impressive. yet, i can't wait to play games like Mario Galaxy and Metroid Prime 3.

and RE 4 and Chronicles too!

 

Game13a13y

[QUOTE="briguyb13"][QUOTE="daveg1"]because its cheap and people will soon catch on what the console is capable of and it will flop!daveg1

plus if the wii doesnt sell a single more console after its first batch of good sales would it be considered a flop?

Umm.. Are you a Retard The reason you can't find a Wii anywhere because they are SELLING, the reason you find at least 7-10 PS3s at every store is because they ARE NOT SELLING 

Despite your hate and wasted pic bashing posts,the wii is a run away success.You people can't deny this.There is nothing you can do but sit at home and sulk,and miss out on fun games.Don't you think you should drop the fanbaby status and give ALL systems a chance?I know I will when I can afford too.briguyb13

i can't imagine the wii as my main console....

[QUOTE="daveg1"]

[QUOTE="briguyb13"][QUOTE="daveg1"]because its cheap and people will soon catch on what the console is capable of and it will flop!XmasterX01

plus if the wii doesnt sell a single more console after its first batch of good sales would it be considered a flop?

Umm.. Are you a Retard The reason you can't find a Wii anywhere because they are SELLING, the reason you find at least 7-10 PS3s at every store is because they ARE NOT SELLING 

Despite your hate and wasted pic bashing posts,the wii is a run away success.You people can't deny this.There is nothing you can do but sit at home and sulk,and miss out on fun games.Don't you think you should drop the fanbaby status and give ALL systems a chance?I know I will when I can afford too.briguyb13

An Unbiased Look into Nintendo's "Next-Gen" Plans

1. Supporting Nintendo, particuarly their 20 year old franchises that create an enormous feeling of nostalgia, has become rationally unplausible this generation because Nintendo has offered a console that is over three years obsolete in terms of hardware.  A fan might love Nintendo with all their heart, but, if they were to judge Nintendo by inuitive or historical standards, they would find that they were supplied with an antiquated console that does not take full advantage of next-gen tech.  The Nintendo fan is thus left in a minor paradox: they must either re-order their values to rationalize their support OR their values have already been subject to reconstruction.
2. Nintendo games on the market today are not "fun."  Most are constructed around 20 year old ideas implemented in the most simple, brutual, dull, and shallow ways possible.  Nintendo fan's standards and expectations of gaming have been warped and lowered so these games might appear "fun."
3. Nintendo has provided fans with a shallow console, and shallow games, because they know that consumer loyalty will ensure profit -- you love X (X=Mario, Zelda, Samus, Etc.) so much so that most ignore the major flaws of the console and the short coming of supposedly "next-gen" Nintendo games, but...
4. Consumer loyalty only goes so far.  Nintendo has limited the function of gaming to that of a simplistic child's toy that functions off technology that is an entire generation obsolete -- making games for such a low quality machine is far cheaper; it's also extremely cost effective when the main goal of Nintendo is not to sell the gamer games, but to encorporate a broader audience.  These games only appear fun because some consumers evaulate games by the most low, bias, and abject standards in entertainment media.
5. Nintendo introduces the mainstream market to gaming by showing them that gaming amounts to little more than a fun toy that can read simple kenetic motions that transfer into familiar on-screen tasks.  These consumers do not come to expect quality or complexity from gaming -- their assumptions about "gaming as a toy" remain entact; the form of input is now slightly more appealing and let "geeky."  As the demand of casual consumers grow, Nintendo need not raise its standards, or devote precious resources, into developing high-quality games for its traditional market.  It need only throw consumers a rotting bone, in the form of yet another 20 year old franchise game, every quarter or so to maintain consumer loyalty.
6. Since Nintendo has managed to re-structure their fans' values concerning games, they have also managed to re-structure their values concerning consoles -- the big Nintendo fan, in order to rationalize their belief, must restructure an intuitive ordering of value.  Obvious things we value in consoles -- power, cost effectiveness, utility -- take a back seat to more abstract, and quite functionless values, that only appear "great" because Nintendo has effectively lowered much of the market's standards.

Nintendo is trying to sell me, you, and all people who think games are a little more than a child's toy down the river this gen.  They are attempting to alter the standards and natural progression of this industry and reduce gaming to its most simple function (simply because this is the most cost effective platform on the market).  They offer us vastly inferior products, constructed on ideas that are literally DECADES old, that are based around the demands of consumers who view games in their most negative, limited, and unwanted light.

There is nothing you can do but sit at home and sulk,and miss out on fun games. Don't you think you should drop the fanbaby status and give ALL systems a chance?briguyb13

What fun games? You mean Wii Bowling? Because that's the only Wii game currently out that's any good.  

Here are the reasons the 360 and PS3 will kill the Wii.

Half of the people buying the Wii buy it because they are like sheep. They are told it is 'Revolutionary', while really, the games just have you wave the controller around stupidly while trying to find your character in the crappy block graphics.

The other half are five-year olds parents who buy it because Nintendo has always been for kids- I wont knock zelda, but other than that... those games suck. :|

Also, graphics. Graphics do matter- Sony lost alot of money to put bluray, and most 360 owners are buying HD DVD's for $100. It obviously matters to them.

So, after a surge at the beginning, it will wane down to only a few children buying the Wii.

[QUOTE="briguyb13"]Despite your hate and wasted pic bashing posts,the wii is a run away success.You people can't deny this.There is nothing you can do but sit at home and sulk,and miss out on fun games.Don't you think you should drop the fanbaby status and give ALL systems a chance?I know I will when I can afford too.FoamingPanda

1. Supporting Nintendo, particuarly their 20 year old franchises that create an enormous feeling of nostalgia, has become rationally unplausible this generation because Nintendo has offered a console that is over three years obsolete in terms of hardware.
2. Nintendo games on the market today are not "fun." Most are constructed around 20 year old ideas implemented in the most simple, brutual, dull, and shallow ways possible. Nintendo fan's standards and expectations of gaming have been warped and lowered so these games might appear "fun."
3. Nintendo has provided fans with a shallow console, and shallow games, because they know that consumer loyalty will ensure profit -- you love X (X=Mario, Zelda, Samus, Etc.) so much so that most ignore the major flaws of the console and the short coming of supposedly "next-gen" Nintendo games, but...
4. Consumer loyalty only goes so far. Nintendo has limited the function of gaming to that of a simplistic child's toy that functions off technology that is an entire generation obsolete -- making games for such a low quality machine is far cheaper; it's also extremely cost effective when the main goal of Nintendo is not to sell the gamer games, but to encorporate a broader audience. These games only appear fun because some consumers evaulate games by the most low, bias, and abject standards in entertainment media.
5. Nintendo introduces the mainstream market to gaming by showing them that gaming amounts to little more than a fun toy that can read simple kenetic motions that transfer into familiar on-screen tasks. These consumers do not come to expect quality or complexity from gaming -- their assumptions about "gaming as a toy" remain entact; the form of input is now slightly more appealing and let "geeky." As the demand of casual consumers grow, Nintendo need not raise its standards, or devote precious resources, into developing high-quality games for its traditional market. It need only throw consumers a rotting bone, in the form of yet another 20 year old franchise game, every quarter or so to maintain consumer loyalty.
6. Since Nintendo has managed to re-structure their fans' values concerning games, they have also managed to re-structure their values concerning consoles -- the big Nintendo fan, in order to rationalize their belief, must restructure an intuitive ordering of value. Obvious things we value in consoles -- power, cost effectiveness, utility -- take a back seat to more abstract, and quite functionless values, that only appear "great" because Nintendo has effectively lowered much of the market's standards.

Nintendo is trying to sell me, you, and all people who think games are a little more than a child's toy down the river this gen. They are attempting to alter the standards and natural progression of this industry and reduce gaming to its most simple function (simply because this is the most cost effective platform on the market). They offer us vastly inferior products, constructed on ideas that are literally DECADES old, that are based around the demands of consumers who view games in their most negative, limited, and unwanted light.

And there's a fine example of a Wii owner with no brain. Actually say something that contributes to the conversation.

The guy three above me.

Despite your hate and wasted pic bashing posts,the wii is a run away success.You people can't deny this.There is nothing you can do but sit at home and sulk,and miss out on fun games.Don't you think you should drop the fanbaby status and give ALL systems a chance?I know I will when I can afford too.briguyb13

wii. is for little wee wee boys. no, one cares about a for now girlfriend. thats what the wii is!! less then a year it will morph back into its orginal from gamecube 2. ARE YOU FOR REAL!!!

And there's a fine example of a Wii owner with no brain. Actually say something that contributes to the conversation.

The guy three above me.

urmom153

For people who got this at christmas time? are you still playing it everyday for long periods?

Because i havent turned it on after i beat Zelda, and Wii Sports and Wii play lasted about a week.

What comes after MP3, SMG, and SSBB?

For people who got this at christmas time? are you still playing it everyday for long periods?

Because i havent turned it on after i beat Zelda, and Wii Sports and Wii play lasted about a week.

What comes after MP3, SMG, and SSBB?

-Sora

Probably games to be announced at this years E3. 

they are just selling backward tech to people who don't know better. 

I bet most of the wii consoles are sitting there collecting dust. sure it's fun for 30 mins. whats after that? no depth to keep a person coming back to it. 

[QUOTE="briguyb13"]Despite your hate and wasted pic bashing posts,the wii is a run away success.You people can't deny this.There is nothing you can do but sit at home and sulk,and miss out on fun games.Don't you think you should drop the fanbaby status and give ALL systems a chance?I know I will when I can afford too.FoamingPanda

An Unbiased Look into Nintendo's "Next-Gen" Plans

1. Supporting Nintendo, particuarly their 20 year old franchises that create an enormous feeling of nostalgia, has become rationally unplausible this generation because Nintendo has offered a console that is over three years obsolete in terms of hardware.  A fan might love Nintendo with all their heart, but, if they were to judge Nintendo by inuitive or historical standards, they would find that they were supplied with an antiquated console that does not take full advantage of next-gen tech.  The Nintendo fan is thus left in a minor paradox: they must either re-order their values to rationalize their support OR their values have already been subject to reconstruction.
2. Nintendo games on the market today are not "fun."  Most are constructed around 20 year old ideas implemented in the most simple, brutual, dull, and shallow ways possible.  Nintendo fan's standards and expectations of gaming have been warped and lowered so these games might appear "fun."
3. Nintendo has provided fans with a shallow console, and shallow games, because they know that consumer loyalty will ensure profit -- you love X (X=Mario, Zelda, Samus, Etc.) so much so that most ignore the major flaws of the console and the short coming of supposedly "next-gen" Nintendo games, but...
4. Consumer loyalty only goes so far.  Nintendo has limited the function of gaming to that of a simplistic child's toy that functions off technology that is an entire generation obsolete -- making games for such a low quality machine is far cheaper; it's also extremely cost effective when the main goal of Nintendo is not to sell the gamer games, but to encorporate a broader audience.  These games only appear fun because some consumers evaulate games by the most low, bias, and abject standards in entertainment media.
5. Nintendo introduces the mainstream market to gaming by showing them that gaming amounts to little more than a fun toy that can read simple kenetic motions that transfer into familiar on-screen tasks.  These consumers do not come to expect quality or complexity from gaming -- their assumptions about "gaming as a toy" remain entact; the form of input is now slightly more appealing and let "geeky."  As the demand of casual consumers grow, Nintendo need not raise its standards, or devote precious resources, into developing high-quality games for its traditional market.  It need only throw consumers a rotting bone, in the form of yet another 20 year old franchise game, every quarter or so to maintain consumer loyalty.
6. Since Nintendo has managed to re-structure their fans' values concerning games, they have also managed to re-structure their values concerning consoles -- the big Nintendo fan, in order to rationalize their belief, must restructure an intuitive ordering of value.  Obvious things we value in consoles -- power, cost effectiveness, utility -- take a back seat to more abstract, and quite functionless values, that only appear "great" because Nintendo has effectively lowered much of the market's standards.

Nintendo is trying to sell me, you, and all people who think games are a little more than a child's toy down the river this gen.  They are attempting to alter the standards and natural progression of this industry and reduce gaming to its most simple function (simply because this is the most cost effective platform on the market).  They offer us vastly inferior products, constructed on ideas that are literally DECADES old, that are based around the demands of consumers who view games in their most negative, limited, and unwanted light.

2.Fun is in the eye of the beholder.Just because you may be smarter than some doesn't make it less fun for them.Atleast they are trying something new,what can you say is new about the other consoles except for the graphics?"Warped" and "lowered"expectations,hardly.We trust Nintendo,after all,they saved gaming once,they may just do it again.

3.I disagree with your term of "shallow".Unrealised potential as of yet.With more developers joining up,I'd say wait and see before you judge and dismiss it altogether.

4.Nintendo fans loyalties has stood the test of time,look at what is happening to Sony's "loyal" fan base.And once again,your opinion about its simplicity is not fact.It is selling to a broader audience than the other two,and it's not just for casuals.I'm proof of that because I have been playing almost all the consoles and most games for a long time now.I'm not a "casual" or "shallow"gamer by any means.

5.Again with the opinion about a "toy".In reality all of these gadgets are "toys".To say that one "is" and another "isn't" is just bias and nit picking based on personal preference.You seem to have a dim view about all things gaming.Not everyone is psycho-analising everything when they buy a console for fun and entertainment.

6.A gamers "values" are their own.Your opinions about what Nintendo is doing to the market is just that,your opinion.Power is just part of the equasion.A repackaged system with just more "power" and nothing else new is nothing special or industry leading by itself.To condescendingly call Nintendo fans expectations"shallow" and "simple" is quite insulting.Lowering the markets standards,I think not,it is broadening them.Lets wait and see what the market wants,All the markets,not just the casuals and grandmoms that so many seem to fear.

Lighten up and enjoy what life has to offer,don't let delusions and hate rule your outlook on people.I realise that with intellegence comes sadness and ignorance is bliss,but when life throws you lemons,make lemonaid(with jack daniels :)).

Here are the reasons the 360 and PS3 will kill the Wii.

Half of the people buying the Wii buy it because they are like sheep. They are told it is 'Revolutionary', while really, the games just have you wave the controller around stupidly while trying to find your character in the crappy block graphics.

The other half are five-year olds parents who buy it because Nintendo has always been for kids- I wont knock zelda, but other than that... those games suck. :|

Also, graphics. Graphics do matter- Sony lost alot of money to put bluray, and most 360 owners are buying HD DVD's for $100. It obviously matters to them.

So, after a surge at the beginning, it will wane down to only a few children buying the Wii.

urmom153

they are just selling backward tech to people who don't know better.

I bet most of the wii consoles are sitting there collecting dust. sure it's fun for 30 mins. whats after that? no depth to keep a person coming back to it.

Areola54

Two weeks. My roommate bought Dragonball Z, Trauma Center, Wii Play, and Twilight Princess along with his Wii, second wiimote, and nunchuku. He and his girlfriend played obsessively for two weeks - they kept talking to me about how "great" it was and how it was better than all of the other systems (none of which either of them had ever played). They haven't touched it once since then - they're back to playing WoW with the rest of the casuals.

*shakes head* Nintendo is smart, they sell to people who wouldn't think to trade in a system they don't use, won't notice (or care) if they don't use it - and rely on their loyalist fanbase to delude people into thinking it's something that it's not - all while flooding the market with their games and pushing out any third party innovation.

The smartest thing is that they managed to sell for $250 the same motion sensitive "Wii Sports" gameplay radika was doing for years with those "plug-n-play" baseball, soccer, tennis, and football games that retailed for $20 each - and people are eating it up.

[QUOTE="urmom153"]

Here are the reasons the 360 and PS3 will kill the Wii.

Half of the people buying the Wii buy it because they are like sheep. They are told it is 'Revolutionary', while really, the games just have you wave the controller around stupidly while trying to find your character in the crappy block graphics.

The other half are five-year olds parents who buy it because Nintendo has always been for kids- I wont knock zelda, but other than that... those games suck. :|

Also, graphics. Graphics do matter- Sony lost alot of money to put bluray, and most 360 owners are buying HD DVD's for $100. It obviously matters to them.

So, after a surge at the beginning, it will wane down to only a few children buying the Wii.

briguyb13

because its cheap and people will soon catch on what the console is capable of and it will flop!daveg1