failure rate of 360?

[QUOTE="DXGreat1_HGL"]

Here's one cows can any of you provide any proof that the failure rate is higher then 5% that doesn't include

1. Phony YouTube Videos
2. Fabricated blogs
3. You're own fantayland stories
4. Links to vague stories

 

TerryBenedict

Yes. #3

 So you personally know everyone that has posted and know they are valid owners and not just cows flooding the forum?

Your never going to find out the real numbers,unless someone at Microsoft leaks them out or something.

Let's just say it's higher than any previous console ever made. 

blacktorn

excuse me, ms DID release quantity... 5%...

let's just say you don't know what you're talking about..;)

Your never going to find out the real numbers,unless someone at Microsoft leaks them out or something.

Let's just say it's higher than any previous console ever made. 

blacktorn

 Higher then 60 - 90% or 40%? The Atari 5200 and Intellivision.

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"][QUOTE="tango90101"][QUOTE="snyper1982"][QUOTE="tango90101"][QUOTE="TerryBenedict"]

[QUOTE="tango90101"]the problem is the people complaining of failure rates on forums are generally fanboys who don't even own a console.tango90101

I'd agree that's certainly the case here on System Wars. (Nice example too. You'd think fanboys would at least research the problem before bashing a rival console for it.)

But what about here?

Again, I'm not arguing with you about the 5%. I agree that's a valid assessment. My question is why is the 5% still around? Why haven't they isolated the problem and resolved it?

maybe because it's not just one problem.

it was reported there are 1,700 components in the 360 with that many chances of things going wrong (the ps3 has more). 5% is good by any means, especially for never-before-released hardware....

if you're looking for zero percent defect rating, you're gonna be waiting a long time.. there is NO perfect tech....

That is still not good. Common PC's have upwards of those numbers yet their defect rate is nowhere near the 360's. MS needs to find a new manufacturer for the 360, Maybe outsource to Asus, gigabyte, tyan, etc. It would serve them much better in the long run to do this than to continue with this high defect rate.

that's weird because my pc has crashed waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay more times than my 360 ever did...

5% is not a high defect rate... no matter what the ps3 forums say..;)

It's probably because you have windows that it crashed... yet another microsoft product ;)

doesn't matter why...only that pc gaming is not as error proof as he liked to think...;)

LOL, the reason why it crashed is not important?... yes let's skip that important part...

[QUOTE="tango90101"][QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"][QUOTE="tango90101"][QUOTE="snyper1982"][QUOTE="tango90101"][QUOTE="TerryBenedict"]

[QUOTE="tango90101"]the problem is the people complaining of failure rates on forums are generally fanboys who don't even own a console.Bebi_vegeta

I'd agree that's certainly the case here on System Wars. (Nice example too. You'd think fanboys would at least research the problem before bashing a rival console for it.)

But what about here?

Again, I'm not arguing with you about the 5%. I agree that's a valid assessment. My question is why is the 5% still around? Why haven't they isolated the problem and resolved it?

maybe because it's not just one problem.

it was reported there are 1,700 components in the 360 with that many chances of things going wrong (the ps3 has more). 5% is good by any means, especially for never-before-released hardware....

if you're looking for zero percent defect rating, you're gonna be waiting a long time.. there is NO perfect tech....

That is still not good. Common PC's have upwards of those numbers yet their defect rate is nowhere near the 360's. MS needs to find a new manufacturer for the 360, Maybe outsource to Asus, gigabyte, tyan, etc. It would serve them much better in the long run to do this than to continue with this high defect rate.

that's weird because my pc has crashed waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay more times than my 360 ever did...

5% is not a high defect rate... no matter what the ps3 forums say..;)

It's probably because you have windows that it crashed... yet another microsoft product ;)

doesn't matter why...only that pc gaming is not as error proof as he liked to think...;)

LOL, the reason why it crashed is not important?... yes let's skip that important part...

the point was about reliabillity... and so far, my pc is far less reliable than my console.

go ahead and try to turn it into an anti-windows rant... i couldn't care less..it's out of context with this discussion...

[QUOTE="tango90101"][QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"][QUOTE="tango90101"][QUOTE="snyper1982"][QUOTE="tango90101"][QUOTE="TerryBenedict"]

[QUOTE="tango90101"]the problem is the people complaining of failure rates on forums are generally fanboys who don't even own a console.Bebi_vegeta

I'd agree that's certainly the case here on System Wars. (Nice example too. You'd think fanboys would at least research the problem before bashing a rival console for it.)

But what about here?

Again, I'm not arguing with you about the 5%. I agree that's a valid assessment. My question is why is the 5% still around? Why haven't they isolated the problem and resolved it?

maybe because it's not just one problem.

it was reported there are 1,700 components in the 360 with that many chances of things going wrong (the ps3 has more). 5% is good by any means, especially for never-before-released hardware....

if you're looking for zero percent defect rating, you're gonna be waiting a long time.. there is NO perfect tech....

That is still not good. Common PC's have upwards of those numbers yet their defect rate is nowhere near the 360's. MS needs to find a new manufacturer for the 360, Maybe outsource to Asus, gigabyte, tyan, etc. It would serve them much better in the long run to do this than to continue with this high defect rate.

that's weird because my pc has crashed waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay more times than my 360 ever did...

5% is not a high defect rate... no matter what the ps3 forums say..;)

It's probably because you have windows that it crashed... yet another microsoft product ;)

doesn't matter why...only that pc gaming is not as error proof as he liked to think...;)

LOL, the reason why it crashed is not important?... yes let's skip that important part...

Trying to blame it all in Windows shows people know much about PC gaming.  Concidering that each PC is configured differantly and that no 2 electronic componants will ever be identical in terms of tolerence and the way they'll work.

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"][QUOTE="tango90101"][QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"][QUOTE="tango90101"][QUOTE="snyper1982"][QUOTE="tango90101"][QUOTE="TerryBenedict"]

[QUOTE="tango90101"]the problem is the people complaining of failure rates on forums are generally fanboys who don't even own a console.tango90101

I'd agree that's certainly the case here on System Wars. (Nice example too. You'd think fanboys would at least research the problem before bashing a rival console for it.)

But what about here?

Again, I'm not arguing with you about the 5%. I agree that's a valid assessment. My question is why is the 5% still around? Why haven't they isolated the problem and resolved it?

maybe because it's not just one problem.

it was reported there are 1,700 components in the 360 with that many chances of things going wrong (the ps3 has more). 5% is good by any means, especially for never-before-released hardware....

if you're looking for zero percent defect rating, you're gonna be waiting a long time.. there is NO perfect tech....

That is still not good. Common PC's have upwards of those numbers yet their defect rate is nowhere near the 360's. MS needs to find a new manufacturer for the 360, Maybe outsource to Asus, gigabyte, tyan, etc. It would serve them much better in the long run to do this than to continue with this high defect rate.

that's weird because my pc has crashed waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay more times than my 360 ever did...

5% is not a high defect rate... no matter what the ps3 forums say..;)

It's probably because you have windows that it crashed... yet another microsoft product ;)

doesn't matter why...only that pc gaming is not as error proof as he liked to think...;)

LOL, the reason why it crashed is not important?... yes let's skip that important part...

the point was about reliabillity... and so far, my pc is far less reliable than my console.

go ahead and try to turn it into an anti-windows rant... i couldn't care less..it's out of context with this discussion...

Window = microsoft product = xbox

Your Pc is much more open to crashing since it's spyware,adware and virus waiting.

[QUOTE="tango90101"][QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"][QUOTE="tango90101"][QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"][QUOTE="tango90101"][QUOTE="snyper1982"][QUOTE="tango90101"][QUOTE="TerryBenedict"]

[QUOTE="tango90101"]the problem is the people complaining of failure rates on forums are generally fanboys who don't even own a console.Bebi_vegeta

I'd agree that's certainly the case here on System Wars. (Nice example too. You'd think fanboys would at least research the problem before bashing a rival console for it.)

But what about here?

Again, I'm not arguing with you about the 5%. I agree that's a valid assessment. My question is why is the 5% still around? Why haven't they isolated the problem and resolved it?

maybe because it's not just one problem.

it was reported there are 1,700 components in the 360 with that many chances of things going wrong (the ps3 has more). 5% is good by any means, especially for never-before-released hardware....

if you're looking for zero percent defect rating, you're gonna be waiting a long time.. there is NO perfect tech....

That is still not good. Common PC's have upwards of those numbers yet their defect rate is nowhere near the 360's. MS needs to find a new manufacturer for the 360, Maybe outsource to Asus, gigabyte, tyan, etc. It would serve them much better in the long run to do this than to continue with this high defect rate.

that's weird because my pc has crashed waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay more times than my 360 ever did...

5% is not a high defect rate... no matter what the ps3 forums say..;)

It's probably because you have windows that it crashed... yet another microsoft product ;)

doesn't matter why...only that pc gaming is not as error proof as he liked to think...;)

LOL, the reason why it crashed is not important?... yes let's skip that important part...

the point was about reliabillity... and so far, my pc is far less reliable than my console.

go ahead and try to turn it into an anti-windows rant... i couldn't care less..it's out of context with this discussion...

Window = microsoft product = xbox

Your Pc is much more open to crashing since it's spyware,adware and virus waiting.

1. so i guess i can introduce the rootkit fiasco and the exploding batteries as proof of the ps3's quality, too?   :roll:

2. your second sentence just proved my point... thanks.

[QUOTE="tango90101"][QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"][QUOTE="tango90101"][QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"][QUOTE="tango90101"][QUOTE="snyper1982"][QUOTE="tango90101"][QUOTE="TerryBenedict"]

[QUOTE="tango90101"]the problem is the people complaining of failure rates on forums are generally fanboys who don't even own a console.Bebi_vegeta

I'd agree that's certainly the case here on System Wars. (Nice example too. You'd think fanboys would at least research the problem before bashing a rival console for it.)

But what about here?

Again, I'm not arguing with you about the 5%. I agree that's a valid assessment. My question is why is the 5% still around? Why haven't they isolated the problem and resolved it?

maybe because it's not just one problem.

it was reported there are 1,700 components in the 360 with that many chances of things going wrong (the ps3 has more). 5% is good by any means, especially for never-before-released hardware....

if you're looking for zero percent defect rating, you're gonna be waiting a long time.. there is NO perfect tech....

That is still not good. Common PC's have upwards of those numbers yet their defect rate is nowhere near the 360's. MS needs to find a new manufacturer for the 360, Maybe outsource to Asus, gigabyte, tyan, etc. It would serve them much better in the long run to do this than to continue with this high defect rate.

that's weird because my pc has crashed waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay more times than my 360 ever did...

5% is not a high defect rate... no matter what the ps3 forums say..;)

It's probably because you have windows that it crashed... yet another microsoft product ;)

doesn't matter why...only that pc gaming is not as error proof as he liked to think...;)

LOL, the reason why it crashed is not important?... yes let's skip that important part...

the point was about reliabillity... and so far, my pc is far less reliable than my console.

go ahead and try to turn it into an anti-windows rant... i couldn't care less..it's out of context with this discussion...

Window = microsoft product = xbox

Your Pc is much more open to crashing since it's spyware,adware and virus waiting.

 So it's MS's fault when compnaies create spyware and adware and hackers xreate viruses? So the whole Sony rootkit in their CD's was MS's fault? Keep grasping please...

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"][QUOTE="tango90101"][QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"][QUOTE="tango90101"][QUOTE="snyper1982"][QUOTE="tango90101"][QUOTE="TerryBenedict"]

[QUOTE="tango90101"]the problem is the people complaining of failure rates on forums are generally fanboys who don't even own a console.DXGreat1_HGL

I'd agree that's certainly the case here on System Wars. (Nice example too. You'd think fanboys would at least research the problem before bashing a rival console for it.)

But what about here?

Again, I'm not arguing with you about the 5%. I agree that's a valid assessment. My question is why is the 5% still around? Why haven't they isolated the problem and resolved it?

maybe because it's not just one problem.

it was reported there are 1,700 components in the 360 with that many chances of things going wrong (the ps3 has more). 5% is good by any means, especially for never-before-released hardware....

if you're looking for zero percent defect rating, you're gonna be waiting a long time.. there is NO perfect tech....

That is still not good. Common PC's have upwards of those numbers yet their defect rate is nowhere near the 360's. MS needs to find a new manufacturer for the 360, Maybe outsource to Asus, gigabyte, tyan, etc. It would serve them much better in the long run to do this than to continue with this high defect rate.

that's weird because my pc has crashed waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay more times than my 360 ever did...

5% is not a high defect rate... no matter what the ps3 forums say..;)

It's probably because you have windows that it crashed... yet another microsoft product ;)

doesn't matter why...only that pc gaming is not as error proof as he liked to think...;)

LOL, the reason why it crashed is not important?... yes let's skip that important part...

Trying to blame it all in Windows shows people know much about PC gaming. Concidering that each PC is configured differantly and that no 2 electronic componants will ever be identical in terms of tolerence and the way they'll work.

Yes, true... even with all theses components from different manufacturers... my PC doesn't hold the red light of death. ( And the xbox has only a few manufacturer to deal with... ) 

[QUOTE="DXGreat1_HGL"][QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"][QUOTE="tango90101"][QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"][QUOTE="tango90101"][QUOTE="snyper1982"][QUOTE="tango90101"][QUOTE="TerryBenedict"]

[QUOTE="tango90101"]the problem is the people complaining of failure rates on forums are generally fanboys who don't even own a console.Bebi_vegeta

I'd agree that's certainly the case here on System Wars. (Nice example too. You'd think fanboys would at least research the problem before bashing a rival console for it.)

But what about here?

Again, I'm not arguing with you about the 5%. I agree that's a valid assessment. My question is why is the 5% still around? Why haven't they isolated the problem and resolved it?

maybe because it's not just one problem.

it was reported there are 1,700 components in the 360 with that many chances of things going wrong (the ps3 has more). 5% is good by any means, especially for never-before-released hardware....

if you're looking for zero percent defect rating, you're gonna be waiting a long time.. there is NO perfect tech....

That is still not good. Common PC's have upwards of those numbers yet their defect rate is nowhere near the 360's. MS needs to find a new manufacturer for the 360, Maybe outsource to Asus, gigabyte, tyan, etc. It would serve them much better in the long run to do this than to continue with this high defect rate.

that's weird because my pc has crashed waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay more times than my 360 ever did...

5% is not a high defect rate... no matter what the ps3 forums say..;)

It's probably because you have windows that it crashed... yet another microsoft product ;)

doesn't matter why...only that pc gaming is not as error proof as he liked to think...;)

LOL, the reason why it crashed is not important?... yes let's skip that important part...

Trying to blame it all in Windows shows people know much about PC gaming. Concidering that each PC is configured differantly and that no 2 electronic componants will ever be identical in terms of tolerence and the way they'll work.

Yes, true... even with all theses components from different manufacturers... my PC doesn't hold the red light of death. ( And the xbox has only a few manufacturer to deal with... ) 

1,700 is a "few"..?  :lol:

geez....

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"][QUOTE="tango90101"][QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"][QUOTE="tango90101"][QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"][QUOTE="tango90101"][QUOTE="snyper1982"][QUOTE="tango90101"][QUOTE="TerryBenedict"]

[QUOTE="tango90101"]the problem is the people complaining of failure rates on forums are generally fanboys who don't even own a console.tango90101

I'd agree that's certainly the case here on System Wars. (Nice example too. You'd think fanboys would at least research the problem before bashing a rival console for it.)

But what about here?

Again, I'm not arguing with you about the 5%. I agree that's a valid assessment. My question is why is the 5% still around? Why haven't they isolated the problem and resolved it?

maybe because it's not just one problem.

it was reported there are 1,700 components in the 360 with that many chances of things going wrong (the ps3 has more). 5% is good by any means, especially for never-before-released hardware....

if you're looking for zero percent defect rating, you're gonna be waiting a long time.. there is NO perfect tech....

That is still not good. Common PC's have upwards of those numbers yet their defect rate is nowhere near the 360's. MS needs to find a new manufacturer for the 360, Maybe outsource to Asus, gigabyte, tyan, etc. It would serve them much better in the long run to do this than to continue with this high defect rate.

that's weird because my pc has crashed waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay more times than my 360 ever did...

5% is not a high defect rate... no matter what the ps3 forums say..;)

It's probably because you have windows that it crashed... yet another microsoft product ;)

doesn't matter why...only that pc gaming is not as error proof as he liked to think...;)

LOL, the reason why it crashed is not important?... yes let's skip that important part...

the point was about reliabillity... and so far, my pc is far less reliable than my console.

go ahead and try to turn it into an anti-windows rant... i couldn't care less..it's out of context with this discussion...

Window = microsoft product = xbox

Your Pc is much more open to crashing since it's spyware,adware and virus waiting.

1. so i guess i can introduce the rootkit fiasco and the exploding batteries as proof of the ps3's quality, too? :roll:

2. your second sentence just proved my point... thanks.

Sony is not only one with bad batterie experience, and i have no idea about this rootkit fiasco.

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"][QUOTE="DXGreat1_HGL"][QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"][QUOTE="tango90101"][QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"][QUOTE="tango90101"][QUOTE="snyper1982"][QUOTE="tango90101"][QUOTE="TerryBenedict"]

[QUOTE="tango90101"]the problem is the people complaining of failure rates on forums are generally fanboys who don't even own a console.tango90101

I'd agree that's certainly the case here on System Wars. (Nice example too. You'd think fanboys would at least research the problem before bashing a rival console for it.)

But what about here?

Again, I'm not arguing with you about the 5%. I agree that's a valid assessment. My question is why is the 5% still around? Why haven't they isolated the problem and resolved it?

maybe because it's not just one problem.

it was reported there are 1,700 components in the 360 with that many chances of things going wrong (the ps3 has more). 5% is good by any means, especially for never-before-released hardware....

if you're looking for zero percent defect rating, you're gonna be waiting a long time.. there is NO perfect tech....

That is still not good. Common PC's have upwards of those numbers yet their defect rate is nowhere near the 360's. MS needs to find a new manufacturer for the 360, Maybe outsource to Asus, gigabyte, tyan, etc. It would serve them much better in the long run to do this than to continue with this high defect rate.

that's weird because my pc has crashed waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay more times than my 360 ever did...

5% is not a high defect rate... no matter what the ps3 forums say..;)

It's probably because you have windows that it crashed... yet another microsoft product ;)

doesn't matter why...only that pc gaming is not as error proof as he liked to think...;)

LOL, the reason why it crashed is not important?... yes let's skip that important part...

Trying to blame it all in Windows shows people know much about PC gaming. Concidering that each PC is configured differantly and that no 2 electronic componants will ever be identical in terms of tolerence and the way they'll work.

Yes, true... even with all theses components from different manufacturers... my PC doesn't hold the red light of death. ( And the xbox has only a few manufacturer to deal with... )

1,700 is a "few"..? :lol:

geez....

Componants or compagnies? 

[QUOTE="HeedleGlavin"][QUOTE="deadmeat59"][QUOTE="HeedleGlavin"]Lemmings will say that it's "teh 5%". That 5% must all live in my town.PS3_3DO

Now you see why the PS2 sold 125 million. :lol:

Then explain how did the ps1 sell over 100 million+? Yes it didnt have those issues and we all know it was because of the games, so stop being a fanboy and get your facts str8.

[QUOTE="TerryBenedict"]Yes.

 

blackace

I didn't see any proof on that site

No problem. Microsoft says the same thing. :D

[QUOTE="TerryBenedict"]Yes.

 

DXGreat1_HGL

So you personally know everyone that has posted and know they are valid owners and not just cows flooding the forum?

Let's see. What's more likely?

A. Cows flooding the site

B. Genuine Xbox360 owners complaining about genuine Xbox360 problems.

Those who pick A have a severe case of denialitis and should probably get some antibiotics as soon as possible. 

[QUOTE="DXGreat1_HGL"][QUOTE="TerryBenedict"]Yes.

 

TerryBenedict

So you personally know everyone that has posted and know they are valid owners and not just cows flooding the forum?

Let's see. What's more likely?

A. Cows flooding the site

B. Genuine Xbox360 owners complaining about genuine Xbox360 problems.

Those who pick A have a severe case of denialitis and should probably get some antibiotics as soon as possible. 

 So you can prove they are all legit?

 Sony has had a record of flooding public forums with false information or does 'All I want for Christmas is a PSP' ring a bell.

[QUOTE="TerryBenedict"][QUOTE="DXGreat1_HGL"][QUOTE="TerryBenedict"]Yes.

 

DXGreat1_HGL

So you personally know everyone that has posted and know they are valid owners and not just cows flooding the forum?

Let's see. What's more likely?

A. Cows flooding the site

B. Genuine Xbox360 owners complaining about genuine Xbox360 problems.

Those who pick A have a severe case of denialitis and should probably get some antibiotics as soon as possible.

So you can prove they are all legit?

I never said they were all legit. I never said the failure rate was >5%. All I'm saying is that there's a problem and I want to know why Microsoft hasn't rectified the problem yet.

18 months and counting. That kind of delay leads me to think that they have no idea what's plaguing their system. And that's a very scary thought. 

[QUOTE="snyper1982"]

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]Anything microsoft labeled is bound to fail... Just look at vista.Bebi_vegeta

How about we look at Windows 3.1, 95, 98, 98 SE, XP, 2003, 2000.... Your comparison is about as hypocritical as one can get.

It is like me saying, "Anything labled by Sony is bound to fail.... Just look at their recall of millions of batteries, or the PS2 DRE, or the problems with their High end XBR LCD's panels...." Oh wait, mine is even better than yours, and it is still moronic to look at a few low points of a company that has had major success.

The only reason why microsoft is making money from it's OS, is because of the monopoly. All of them have failed to be good products when they came out and needed infinite patches... i'm still geting XP pathches every freaking week.

If Mac Os or Linux Os would support more games, then i wouldn't even think about Microsoft.

And please windows 2003? 2000? Me? the worst OS ever put out on the market. Vista failed and they're already planing a new OS ,Vienna.

Plus Sony has a wide range of hardware and software, while Microsoft has Xbox and Windows... And they can't even get it right.

Typical fanboy rhetoric.... Bu bu but the MS monopoly. Where did I even mention ME? Stop trying to debate me with your illogical fanboy comments, and bring some actual FACTS to the table and leave your opinions at the door.

I've had two 360s go bad on me within the past year.

360 #1: dvd drive wouldn't eject periodically after about 9 months.  got it replaced within 2 weeks under warranty.  no money out of my pocket, and I got compensated with a 1 month free gold membership to XBL.

360 #2: The replacement console broke after 1 day of use.  The screen would freeze randomly.  I'm currently in the process of getting it replaced.  Again, repairs and shipping are free.

No doubt, I'm having bad luck so far with the 360, and other are too.  But the liberal warranty policy makes getting a replacement as hassle-free as possible.

The fact remains, that there's more games on the 360 that I want to play than on the PS3 and Wii combined.  Which is why I tolerate the 360 for now.

i think its actually around the 10% rangesouth411

The fact remains, that there's more games on the 360 that I want to play than on the PS3 and Wii combined. Which is why I tolerate the 360 for now. shaggygrosser

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"][QUOTE="snyper1982"]

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]Anything microsoft labeled is bound to fail... Just look at vista.snyper1982

How about we look at Windows 3.1, 95, 98, 98 SE, XP, 2003, 2000.... Your comparison is about as hypocritical as one can get.

It is like me saying, "Anything labled by Sony is bound to fail.... Just look at their recall of millions of batteries, or the PS2 DRE, or the problems with their High end XBR LCD's panels...." Oh wait, mine is even better than yours, and it is still moronic to look at a few low points of a company that has had major success.

The only reason why microsoft is making money from it's OS, is because of the monopoly. All of them have failed to be good products when they came out and needed infinite patches... i'm still geting XP pathches every freaking week.

If Mac Os or Linux Os would support more games, then i wouldn't even think about Microsoft.

And please windows 2003? 2000? Me? the worst OS ever put out on the market. Vista failed and they're already planing a new OS ,Vienna.

Plus Sony has a wide range of hardware and software, while Microsoft has Xbox and Windows... And they can't even get it right.

Typical fanboy rhetoric.... Bu bu but the MS monopoly. Where did I even mention ME? Stop trying to debate me with your illogical fanboy comments, and bring some actual FACTS to the table and leave your opinions at the door.

LOL, I did but you don't wanna listen.

Vista = many bugs as for today.

Xp = Had many bugs before SP1 and SP2 patch

2003 = 98 was better

2000 = 98 was better

98 = alots of security bugs aka blue screan of death, often

95 = copy of apple

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"][QUOTE="snyper1982"]

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]Anything microsoft labeled is bound to fail... Just look at vista.snyper1982

How about we look at Windows 3.1, 95, 98, 98 SE, XP, 2003, 2000.... Your comparison is about as hypocritical as one can get.

It is like me saying, "Anything labled by Sony is bound to fail.... Just look at their recall of millions of batteries, or the PS2 DRE, or the problems with their High end XBR LCD's panels...." Oh wait, mine is even better than yours, and it is still moronic to look at a few low points of a company that has had major success.

The only reason why microsoft is making money from it's OS, is because of the monopoly. All of them have failed to be good products when they came out and needed infinite patches... i'm still geting XP pathches every freaking week.

If Mac Os or Linux Os would support more games, then i wouldn't even think about Microsoft.

And please windows 2003? 2000? Me? the worst OS ever put out on the market. Vista failed and they're already planing a new OS ,Vienna.

Plus Sony has a wide range of hardware and software, while Microsoft has Xbox and Windows... And they can't even get it right.

Typical fanboy rhetoric.... Bu bu but the MS monopoly. Where did I even mention ME? Stop trying to debate me with your illogical fanboy comments, and bring some actual FACTS to the table and leave your opinions at the door.

Microsoft monopoly  is a fact kid. When your older youll take interest in those things, bussiness, having a job, growing hair in funny places and youll start looking at women.

[QUOTE="snyper1982"][QUOTE="tango90101"][QUOTE="TerryBenedict"]

[QUOTE="tango90101"]the problem is the people complaining of failure rates on forums are generally fanboys who don't even own a console.tango90101

I'd agree that's certainly the case here on System Wars. (Nice example too. You'd think fanboys would at least research the problem before bashing a rival console for it.)

But what about here?

Again, I'm not arguing with you about the 5%. I agree that's a valid assessment. My question is why is the 5% still around? Why haven't they isolated the problem and resolved it?

maybe because it's not just one problem.

it was reported there are 1,700 components in the 360 with that many chances of things going wrong (the ps3 has more). 5% is good by any means, especially for never-before-released hardware....

if you're looking for zero percent defect rating, you're gonna be waiting a long time.. there is NO perfect tech....

That is still not good. Common PC's have upwards of those numbers yet their defect rate is nowhere near the 360's. MS needs to find a new manufacturer for the 360, Maybe outsource to Asus, gigabyte, tyan, etc. It would serve them much better in the long run to do this than to continue with this high defect rate.

that's weird because my pc has crashed waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay more times than my 360 ever did...

5% is not a high defect rate... no matter what the ps3 forums say..;)

So when your PC crashes you have to send it in to be repaired or replaced? Funny. I always just reboot mine(on the VERY RARE occurence of a crash). I agree that the 360 problem is blown out ofproportion, but 5% is a LOT of consoles.

that's weird because my pc has crashed waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay more times than my 360 ever ditango90101

It's not the crashing that's a problem. People can live with crashing consoles.

It's the dying. Gameplay is severely inhibited with dying consoles.

[QUOTE="tango90101"][QUOTE="snyper1982"][QUOTE="tango90101"][QUOTE="TerryBenedict"]

[QUOTE="tango90101"]the problem is the people complaining of failure rates on forums are generally fanboys who don't even own a console.Bebi_vegeta

I'd agree that's certainly the case here on System Wars. (Nice example too. You'd think fanboys would at least research the problem before bashing a rival console for it.)

But what about here?

Again, I'm not arguing with you about the 5%. I agree that's a valid assessment. My question is why is the 5% still around? Why haven't they isolated the problem and resolved it?

maybe because it's not just one problem.

it was reported there are 1,700 components in the 360 with that many chances of things going wrong (the ps3 has more). 5% is good by any means, especially for never-before-released hardware....

if you're looking for zero percent defect rating, you're gonna be waiting a long time.. there is NO perfect tech....

That is still not good. Common PC's have upwards of those numbers yet their defect rate is nowhere near the 360's. MS needs to find a new manufacturer for the 360, Maybe outsource to Asus, gigabyte, tyan, etc. It would serve them much better in the long run to do this than to continue with this high defect rate.

that's weird because my pc has crashed waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay more times than my 360 ever did...

5% is not a high defect rate... no matter what the ps3 forums say..;)

It's probably because you have windows that it crashed... yet another microsoft product ;)

Oh God. My room mate has a mac and it crashes too. MY PC has been runing for about a month straight without a crash. MyPS1 has frozen numerous times, my PS2 flat out died, my PS3 has frozen as well as acting screwy on the audio from time to time. Get over it. Crap happens.

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"][QUOTE="tango90101"][QUOTE="snyper1982"][QUOTE="tango90101"][QUOTE="TerryBenedict"]

[QUOTE="tango90101"]the problem is the people complaining of failure rates on forums are generally fanboys who don't even own a console.snyper1982

I'd agree that's certainly the case here on System Wars. (Nice example too. You'd think fanboys would at least research the problem before bashing a rival console for it.)

But what about here?

Again, I'm not arguing with you about the 5%. I agree that's a valid assessment. My question is why is the 5% still around? Why haven't they isolated the problem and resolved it?

maybe because it's not just one problem.

it was reported there are 1,700 components in the 360 with that many chances of things going wrong (the ps3 has more). 5% is good by any means, especially for never-before-released hardware....

if you're looking for zero percent defect rating, you're gonna be waiting a long time.. there is NO perfect tech....

That is still not good. Common PC's have upwards of those numbers yet their defect rate is nowhere near the 360's. MS needs to find a new manufacturer for the 360, Maybe outsource to Asus, gigabyte, tyan, etc. It would serve them much better in the long run to do this than to continue with this high defect rate.

that's weird because my pc has crashed waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay more times than my 360 ever did...

5% is not a high defect rate... no matter what the ps3 forums say..;)

It's probably because you have windows that it crashed... yet another microsoft product ;)

Oh God. My room mate has a mac and it crashes too. MY PC has been runing for about a month straight without a crash. MyPS1 has frozen numerous times, my PS2 flat out died, my PS3 has frozen as well as acting screwy on the audio from time to time. Get over it. Crap happens.

Wow seems everything around crashes except your PC... amazing! 

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"][QUOTE="tango90101"][QUOTE="snyper1982"][QUOTE="tango90101"][QUOTE="TerryBenedict"]

[QUOTE="tango90101"]the problem is the people complaining of failure rates on forums are generally fanboys who don't even own a console.tango90101

I'd agree that's certainly the case here on System Wars. (Nice example too. You'd think fanboys would at least research the problem before bashing a rival console for it.)

But what about here?

Again, I'm not arguing with you about the 5%. I agree that's a valid assessment. My question is why is the 5% still around? Why haven't they isolated the problem and resolved it?

maybe because it's not just one problem.

it was reported there are 1,700 components in the 360 with that many chances of things going wrong (the ps3 has more). 5% is good by any means, especially for never-before-released hardware....

if you're looking for zero percent defect rating, you're gonna be waiting a long time.. there is NO perfect tech....

That is still not good. Common PC's have upwards of those numbers yet their defect rate is nowhere near the 360's. MS needs to find a new manufacturer for the 360, Maybe outsource to Asus, gigabyte, tyan, etc. It would serve them much better in the long run to do this than to continue with this high defect rate.

that's weird because my pc has crashed waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay more times than my 360 ever did...

5% is not a high defect rate... no matter what the ps3 forums say..;)

It's probably because you have windows that it crashed... yet another microsoft product ;)

doesn't matter why...only that pc gaming is not as error proof as he liked to think...;)

Crashing does not equal hardware failure. Huge difference. Nice try though.

My first 360 broke proper, 3 red lights and all. Replacement unit froze quite occasionally, as my previous one did a couple of months before it died, so I had it replaced with a brand new 360. Today I noticed how the notes in Guitar Hero were scrolling kind of choppy at times. When I was messing about in the menus a "Disc unreadable" message popped up. No scratches though, yaay!

I'm curious to find out if this was a fluke or if it's the start of a brand new problem. 

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"][QUOTE="tango90101"][QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"][QUOTE="tango90101"][QUOTE="snyper1982"][QUOTE="tango90101"][QUOTE="TerryBenedict"]

[QUOTE="tango90101"]the problem is the people complaining of failure rates on forums are generally fanboys who don't even own a console.tango90101

I'd agree that's certainly the case here on System Wars. (Nice example too. You'd think fanboys would at least research the problem before bashing a rival console for it.)

But what about here?

Again, I'm not arguing with you about the 5%. I agree that's a valid assessment. My question is why is the 5% still around? Why haven't they isolated the problem and resolved it?

maybe because it's not just one problem.

it was reported there are 1,700 components in the 360 with that many chances of things going wrong (the ps3 has more). 5% is good by any means, especially for never-before-released hardware....

if you're looking for zero percent defect rating, you're gonna be waiting a long time.. there is NO perfect tech....

That is still not good. Common PC's have upwards of those numbers yet their defect rate is nowhere near the 360's. MS needs to find a new manufacturer for the 360, Maybe outsource to Asus, gigabyte, tyan, etc. It would serve them much better in the long run to do this than to continue with this high defect rate.

that's weird because my pc has crashed waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay more times than my 360 ever did...

5% is not a high defect rate... no matter what the ps3 forums say..;)

It's probably because you have windows that it crashed... yet another microsoft product ;)

doesn't matter why...only that pc gaming is not as error proof as he liked to think...;)

LOL, the reason why it crashed is not important?... yes let's skip that important part...

the point was about reliabillity... and so far, my pc is far less reliable than my console.

go ahead and try to turn it into an anti-windows rant... i couldn't care less..it's out of context with this discussion...

Especially seeing as the context was hardware failure, not software crashes. 

[QUOTE="snyper1982"][QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"][QUOTE="snyper1982"]

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]Anything microsoft labeled is bound to fail... Just look at vista.Bebi_vegeta

How about we look at Windows 3.1, 95, 98, 98 SE, XP, 2003, 2000.... Your comparison is about as hypocritical as one can get.

It is like me saying, "Anything labled by Sony is bound to fail.... Just look at their recall of millions of batteries, or the PS2 DRE, or the problems with their High end XBR LCD's panels...." Oh wait, mine is even better than yours, and it is still moronic to look at a few low points of a company that has had major success.

The only reason why microsoft is making money from it's OS, is because of the monopoly. All of them have failed to be good products when they came out and needed infinite patches... i'm still geting XP pathches every freaking week.

If Mac Os or Linux Os would support more games, then i wouldn't even think about Microsoft.

And please windows 2003? 2000? Me? the worst OS ever put out on the market. Vista failed and they're already planing a new OS ,Vienna.

Plus Sony has a wide range of hardware and software, while Microsoft has Xbox and Windows... And they can't even get it right.

Typical fanboy rhetoric.... Bu bu but the MS monopoly. Where did I even mention ME? Stop trying to debate me with your illogical fanboy comments, and bring some actual FACTS to the table and leave your opinions at the door.

LOL, I did but you don't wanna listen.

Vista = many bugs as for today.

Xp = Had many bugs before SP1 and SP2 patch

2003 = 98 was better

2000 = 98 was better

98 = alots of security bugs aka blue screan of death, often

95 = copy of apple

Hahaha. You have no clue whatsoever what you are talking about. This is hilarious. 2000 and 2003 are not even marketed towards the average desktop user, they are more business oriented. Especially 2003 as it is a Server OS. So how 98 is better, I have no idea. Let's not forget that xp and 2003 are basically the same OS, just 2003 is a server based OS. Yu are basically just talking out your rear, acting like you know what you are talking about, when you have likely never even used any of these OS's besides 98 and XP. 

Again, leave your OPINIONS at the door, as that is all you have presented. 

[QUOTE="snyper1982"][QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"][QUOTE="snyper1982"]

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]Anything microsoft labeled is bound to fail... Just look at vista.PaintballinDude

How about we look at Windows 3.1, 95, 98, 98 SE, XP, 2003, 2000.... Your comparison is about as hypocritical as one can get.

It is like me saying, "Anything labled by Sony is bound to fail.... Just look at their recall of millions of batteries, or the PS2 DRE, or the problems with their High end XBR LCD's panels...." Oh wait, mine is even better than yours, and it is still moronic to look at a few low points of a company that has had major success.

The only reason why microsoft is making money from it's OS, is because of the monopoly. All of them have failed to be good products when they came out and needed infinite patches... i'm still geting XP pathches every freaking week.

If Mac Os or Linux Os would support more games, then i wouldn't even think about Microsoft.

And please windows 2003? 2000? Me? the worst OS ever put out on the market. Vista failed and they're already planing a new OS ,Vienna.

Plus Sony has a wide range of hardware and software, while Microsoft has Xbox and Windows... And they can't even get it right.

Typical fanboy rhetoric.... Bu bu but the MS monopoly. Where did I even mention ME? Stop trying to debate me with your illogical fanboy comments, and bring some actual FACTS to the table and leave your opinions at the door.

Microsoft monopoly is a fact kid. When your older youll take interest in those things, bussiness, having a job, growing hair in funny places and youll start looking at women.

Hahaha. It is funny you call me a kid. I assure I am well over the drinking age. I agree MS has astrangle hold on the desktop market, but they got there for a reason. Smart business practice, and a user friendly interface. I am not debating whether or not they have monopoly, I am saying that BOTH companies have bad products, and it is flat out retarded to show only the bad to try and make the every product from them look bad. Besides, Vista isn't even bad, it is going through the same growing pains XP did.

[QUOTE="snyper1982"][QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"][QUOTE="tango90101"][QUOTE="snyper1982"][QUOTE="tango90101"][QUOTE="TerryBenedict"]

[QUOTE="tango90101"]the problem is the people complaining of failure rates on forums are generally fanboys who don't even own a console.Bebi_vegeta

I'd agree that's certainly the case here on System Wars. (Nice example too. You'd think fanboys would at least research the problem before bashing a rival console for it.)

But what about here?

Again, I'm not arguing with you about the 5%. I agree that's a valid assessment. My question is why is the 5% still around? Why haven't they isolated the problem and resolved it?

maybe because it's not just one problem.

it was reported there are 1,700 components in the 360 with that many chances of things going wrong (the ps3 has more). 5% is good by any means, especially for never-before-released hardware....

if you're looking for zero percent defect rating, you're gonna be waiting a long time.. there is NO perfect tech....

That is still not good. Common PC's have upwards of those numbers yet their defect rate is nowhere near the 360's. MS needs to find a new manufacturer for the 360, Maybe outsource to Asus, gigabyte, tyan, etc. It would serve them much better in the long run to do this than to continue with this high defect rate.

that's weird because my pc has crashed waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay more times than my 360 ever did...

5% is not a high defect rate... no matter what the ps3 forums say..;)

It's probably because you have windows that it crashed... yet another microsoft product ;)

Oh God. My room mate has a mac and it crashes too. MY PC has been runing for about a month straight without a crash. MyPS1 has frozen numerous times, my PS2 flat out died, my PS3 has frozen as well as acting screwy on the audio from time to time. Get over it. Crap happens.

Wow seems everything around crashes except your PC... amazing!

I said it crashes.... It just happens rarely. Just like my other products. I never said they crash constantly. Nice job putting words in my mouth though.

if your are from another country, buying a 360 is suicide XD

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"][QUOTE="snyper1982"][QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"][QUOTE="snyper1982"]

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]Anything microsoft labeled is bound to fail... Just look at vista.snyper1982

How about we look at Windows 3.1, 95, 98, 98 SE, XP, 2003, 2000.... Your comparison is about as hypocritical as one can get.

It is like me saying, "Anything labled by Sony is bound to fail.... Just look at their recall of millions of batteries, or the PS2 DRE, or the problems with their High end XBR LCD's panels...." Oh wait, mine is even better than yours, and it is still moronic to look at a few low points of a company that has had major success.

The only reason why microsoft is making money from it's OS, is because of the monopoly. All of them have failed to be good products when they came out and needed infinite patches... i'm still geting XP pathches every freaking week.

If Mac Os or Linux Os would support more games, then i wouldn't even think about Microsoft.

And please windows 2003? 2000? Me? the worst OS ever put out on the market. Vista failed and they're already planing a new OS ,Vienna.

Plus Sony has a wide range of hardware and software, while Microsoft has Xbox and Windows... And they can't even get it right.

Typical fanboy rhetoric.... Bu bu but the MS monopoly. Where did I even mention ME? Stop trying to debate me with your illogical fanboy comments, and bring some actual FACTS to the table and leave your opinions at the door.

LOL, I did but you don't wanna listen.

Vista = many bugs as for today.

Xp = Had many bugs before SP1 and SP2 patch

2003 = 98 was better

2000 = 98 was better

98 = alots of security bugs aka blue screan of death, often

95 = copy of apple

Hahaha. You have no clue whatsoever what you are talking about. This is hilarious. 2000 and 2003 are not even marketed towards the average desktop user, they are more business oriented. Especially 2003 as it is a Server OS. So how 98 is better, I have no idea. Let's not forget that xp and 2003 are basically the same OS, just 2003 is a server based OS. Yu are basically just talking out your rear, acting like you know what you are talking about, when you have likely never even used any of these OS's besides 98 and XP.

Again, leave your OPINIONS at the door, as that is all you have presented.

I forgot to edit... i never used any server OS, has in it has nothing to do with gaming or common use of a PC.

2000 was aimed for home user but they were lacking in time... so they came out with windows 98 se and then with windows Me.

windows 2000 had many security flaws. So they had to put windows 2003. 

[QUOTE="PaintballinDude"][QUOTE="snyper1982"][QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"][QUOTE="snyper1982"]

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]Anything microsoft labeled is bound to fail... Just look at vista.snyper1982

How about we look at Windows 3.1, 95, 98, 98 SE, XP, 2003, 2000.... Your comparison is about as hypocritical as one can get.

It is like me saying, "Anything labled by Sony is bound to fail.... Just look at their recall of millions of batteries, or the PS2 DRE, or the problems with their High end XBR LCD's panels...." Oh wait, mine is even better than yours, and it is still moronic to look at a few low points of a company that has had major success.

The only reason why microsoft is making money from it's OS, is because of the monopoly. All of them have failed to be good products when they came out and needed infinite patches... i'm still geting XP pathches every freaking week.

If Mac Os or Linux Os would support more games, then i wouldn't even think about Microsoft.

And please windows 2003? 2000? Me? the worst OS ever put out on the market. Vista failed and they're already planing a new OS ,Vienna.

Plus Sony has a wide range of hardware and software, while Microsoft has Xbox and Windows... And they can't even get it right.

Typical fanboy rhetoric.... Bu bu but the MS monopoly. Where did I even mention ME? Stop trying to debate me with your illogical fanboy comments, and bring some actual FACTS to the table and leave your opinions at the door.

Microsoft monopoly is a fact kid. When your older youll take interest in those things, bussiness, having a job, growing hair in funny places and youll start looking at women.

Hahaha. It is funny you call me a kid. I assure I am well over the drinking age. I agree MS has astrangle hold on the desktop market, but they got there for a reason. Smart business practice, and a user friendly interface. I am not debating whether or not they have monopoly, I am saying that BOTH companies have bad products, and it is flat out retarded to show only the bad to try and make the every product from them look bad. Besides, Vista isn't even bad, it is going through the same growing pains XP did.

On April 3, 2000, a judgment was handed down in the case of United States Vs Microsoft, calling the company an "abusive monopoly" and forcing the company to split into two separate units. Part of this ruling was later overturned by a federal appeals court, and eventually settled with the U.S. Department of Justice in 2001.  

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"][QUOTE="snyper1982"][QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"][QUOTE="tango90101"][QUOTE="snyper1982"][QUOTE="tango90101"][QUOTE="TerryBenedict"]

[QUOTE="tango90101"]the problem is the people complaining of failure rates on forums are generally fanboys who don't even own a console.snyper1982

I'd agree that's certainly the case here on System Wars. (Nice example too. You'd think fanboys would at least research the problem before bashing a rival console for it.)

But what about here?

Again, I'm not arguing with you about the 5%. I agree that's a valid assessment. My question is why is the 5% still around? Why haven't they isolated the problem and resolved it?

maybe because it's not just one problem.

it was reported there are 1,700 components in the 360 with that many chances of things going wrong (the ps3 has more). 5% is good by any means, especially for never-before-released hardware....

if you're looking for zero percent defect rating, you're gonna be waiting a long time.. there is NO perfect tech....

That is still not good. Common PC's have upwards of those numbers yet their defect rate is nowhere near the 360's. MS needs to find a new manufacturer for the 360, Maybe outsource to Asus, gigabyte, tyan, etc. It would serve them much better in the long run to do this than to continue with this high defect rate.

that's weird because my pc has crashed waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay more times than my 360 ever did...

5% is not a high defect rate... no matter what the ps3 forums say..;)

It's probably because you have windows that it crashed... yet another microsoft product ;)

Oh God. My room mate has a mac and it crashes too. MY PC has been runing for about a month straight without a crash. MyPS1has frozen numerous times, my PS2 flat out died, my PS3 has frozen as well as acting screwy on the audio from time to time. Get over it. Crap happens.

Wow seems everything around crashes except your PC... amazing!

I said it crashes.... It just happens rarely. Just like my other products. I never said they crash constantly. Nice job putting words in my mouth though.

I didn't had to add any words, you said it right.

[QUOTE="LiquidAjax"]My friend just got the red ring of death, i don't want to ignite any wars, i was just wondering if anybody had any information they could link me to, we're trying to find the rate of failure and such.Kalias

anywhere between 100% and 100%.

[QUOTE="LiquidAjax"]My friend just got the red ring of death, i don't want to ignite any wars, i was just wondering if anybody had any information they could link me to, we're trying to find the rate of failure and such.Kalias

anywhere between 100% and 100%.

Good answer LOL wish i thought of that one.