Fallout 2 doesn't even compare to Fallout 3.

I can't believe that there are people that think Fallout 2 is superior to Fallout 3. It's not even a comparison. That's like comparing Ghosts 'n Goblins on NES to Resident Evil 4. Fallout 3 is so superior to Fallout 2, that the difference is laughable. Fallout 2 looks and plays like an ancient game in comparison.

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hmmm... idk...

most people think it's the other way around...

but heck i honestly don't care since i'm enjoying FO3...

You're tying to insult a game that's 10 years old by calling it "ancient"?

Yeah, that's kind of fail...

To tell you the truth, FO3 isn't a FO game. It's Oblivion with guns. All the essence that was captured by the previous fallout titles, including Fallout Tactics, was lost when they decided to make it a bland FPS, without any squad based combat, what so ever. Exeed_Orbit

I get what you're saying but you went too far. Fallout 1 and 2 were definitely superior in the Fallout series. However, Fallout 3 was far more than Oblivion with guns. In no way was Fallout 3 a FPS other than the fact that Fallout 3 can be played in first person. I suppose this means that Oblivion and Morrowind were FPS as well? All of them could be played in first person and had ranged weapons. What makes Fallout 3 a FPS and not Oblivion or Morrowind? I find the ignorance in statements such as yours just astounding. No offense but you really didn't think.

FO 2 is a better RPG. FO 3 is a better action RPG.XaosII

How can I get all these old PC games that everyone talks about? Seriously, Steam barely has any games on it. There's less than 1000, I believe. And most of them are new!DeathScape666

Oh wow, is TC goading me? Ok TC, basically what you are saying is "I have a terrible attention span, and dont like learning anything. I like all my games to be really easy, and I like superficial skillpoints that regardless of what I do allow me to play the game in the same exact manner. On top of that, the notion of any skill or tactics, makes my brain hurt, thus I prefer oblivion with guns of fallout 2." Thanx for sharing, maybe you should go buy a Wii. The new Zelda seems right in line with the type of gamer you are.II_Seraphim_II

As far as the core gameplay goes, thats probably true. FO1&2's gameplay mechanics, while diverse, feel very aged and archaic to me now. But the storyline and overall plot progression in both earlier Fallout games were infinitely better.Skittles_McGee

Fallout 1 and 2's gameplay may feel archaic now, but it's still considerably deeper and more interesting than what Fallout 3 offered (uh, as you said). I'd say that that depth and diversity means that Fallout 1 and 2 had better gameplay than Fallout 3, which was far more shallow, reptitive, and broken.

In any case, they're RPGs, so the things that should really matter are the roleplaying, story, characters, writing, setting, and so on - most of which Bethesda got wrong.

How can I get all these old PC games that everyone talks about? Seriously, Steam barely has any games on it. There's less than 1000, I believe. And most of them are new!DeathScape666

GOG is what your looking for

[QUOTE="II_Seraphim_II"]Oh wow, is TC goading me? Ok TC, basically what you are saying is "I have a terrible attention span, and dont like learning anything. I like all my games to be really easy, and I like superficial skillpoints that regardless of what I do allow me to play the game in the same exact manner. On top of that, the notion of any skill or tactics, makes my brain hurt, thus I prefer oblivion with guns of fallout 2." Thanx for sharing, maybe you should go buy a Wii. The new Zelda seems right in line with the type of gamer you are.Skittles_McGee

[QUOTE="Skittles_McGee"][QUOTE="II_Seraphim_II"]Oh wow, is TC goading me? Ok TC, basically what you are saying is "I have a terrible attention span, and dont like learning anything. I like all my games to be really easy, and I like superficial skillpoints that regardless of what I do allow me to play the game in the same exact manner. On top of that, the notion of any skill or tactics, makes my brain hurt, thus I prefer oblivion with guns of fallout 2." Thanx for sharing, maybe you should go buy a Wii. The new Zelda seems right in line with the type of gamer you are.II_Seraphim_II

How can I get all these old PC games that everyone talks about? Seriously, Steam barely has any games on it. There's less than 1000, I believe. And most of them are new!DeathScape666

[QUOTE="II_Seraphim_II"]Oh wow, is TC goading me? Ok TC, basically what you are saying is "I have a terrible attention span, and dont like learning anything. I like all my games to be really easy, and I like superficial skillpoints that regardless of what I do allow me to play the game in the same exact manner. On top of that, the notion of any skill or tactics, makes my brain hurt, thus I prefer oblivion with guns of fallout 2." Thanx for sharing, maybe you should go buy a Wii. The new Zelda seems right in line with the type of gamer you are.Skittles_McGee

[QUOTE="Skittles_McGee"][QUOTE="II_Seraphim_II"]Oh wow, is TC goading me? Ok TC, basically what you are saying is "I have a terrible attention span, and dont like learning anything. I like all my games to be really easy, and I like superficial skillpoints that regardless of what I do allow me to play the game in the same exact manner. On top of that, the notion of any skill or tactics, makes my brain hurt, thus I prefer oblivion with guns of fallout 2." Thanx for sharing, maybe you should go buy a Wii. The new Zelda seems right in line with the type of gamer you are.kage_53

I never mentioned RE4 :? and my point is that RE5 is so far removed from the source material that I can't understand how a fan of Resident Evil could possibly enjoy it as a RESIDENT EVIL GAME. As a Gears2 wanna be, sure, but not as a RE game. Granted, I've only played the demo, but those are the vibes im getting. II_Seraphim_II

That's a poor example - Resident Evil 5 will probably be a fantastic action game (despite being a poor RE game), while Fallout 3 isn't exactly a brilliant action RPG.

I can't believe that there are people that think Fallout 2 is superior to Fallout 3. It's not even a comparison. That's like comparing Ghosts 'n Goblins on NES to Resident Evil 4. Fallout 3 is so superior to Fallout 2, that the difference is laughable. Fallout 2 looks and plays like an ancient game in comparison.

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Timberwolf5578

[QUOTE="kage_53"][QUOTE="Skittles_McGee"] As far as the core gameplay goes, I'd kind of have to agree with the TC. The old Fallout's have really aged bad in the gameplay department. Especially with the god awful, clunky interface. So, does that mean I have a short attention span and I'm in unintelligent? :|Skittles_McGee

[QUOTE="Skittles_McGee"] RE2 was the best RE until they released RE4, so... what was your point there...? Anyway. I don't agree with the TC, but I just wanted to make my own point. And actually, I disagree with the part about FO3 not being a Fallout game. Its entirely a Fallout game, coming from a fan of the series.II_Seraphim_II

You pretty much explained your problem there you played FO3 as just a fanboy of the series and showed bias towards that and ignored everything else that made the game good. I played the old Fallout games after playing 3 and I could notice right away what are the things you ppl say they took out of the game but I also noticed how badly the game aged.

You say they ''destoyed'' the series but the series was pretty much dead when they took the IP and I'm glad they did and made a great game out of it even if it didn't stay true 100% to it. Or are you going to imply it was better they didn't touch the series and let it die with just the 2 other games?

Seriously lately there are way too many butthurt ppl when a series changes. RE4 was a great game and I'm someone who played the old ones. I didn't need to view it and judge it as if it was a RE game or not in order to enjoy it.

[QUOTE="Skittles_McGee"][QUOTE="kage_53"]Funny how I've played Fallout 1 and 2 and I didn't find anything wrong with them.II_Seraphim_II

You pretty much explained your problem there you played FO3 as just a fanboy of the series and showed bias towards that and ignored everything else that made the game good. I played the old Fallout games after playing 3 and I could notice right away what are the things you ppl say they took out of the game but I also noticed how badly the game aged.

You say they ''destoyed'' the series but the series was pretty much dead when they took the IP and I'm glad they did and made a great game out of it even if it didn't stay true 100% to it. Or are you going to imply it was better they didn't touch the series and let it die with just the 2 other games?

Seriously lately there are way too many butthurt ppl when a series changes. RE4 was a great game and I'm someone who played the old ones. I didn't need to view it and judge it as if it was a RE game or not in order to enjoy it.

Dystopian-X

Fallout 2 was good because it was a smart game, not just your typical run and gun drab. In Fallout you could play it as a stealth character, or if you wanted, you could be a diplomatic character. You could beat the entire game, just by talking. Then comes fallout 3. Yup, you get skill points, but they count for nothing. In fact the only thing you really need, is the repair skill, the rest are worthless. oh sure I can be the melee expert or the shooter or what not, but the I play the game practically the same. Walk up, VATS the guy, if he doesnt die, just bash him/shoot him to death. Rinse repeat.

Can I talk my way out of trouble? nope, you have to kill. Oh wow! Look at this awesome Rock-it-Launcher! too bad, I can beat the entire game with a pistol :( Ohh! I got a partner, yup..completely AI controlled, because the new gamer cant deal with 2 characters! Well atleast Fallout humor is still there right? yeah...NO. Oh ok, but the difficulty is still there, amirite!? Nope, you leave the vault with a pistol! And dont worry about ammo because its all over the place! And wieght? nah nah, bullets dont weigh anything, so you can have a stack of bullets! And your flimsy female character can carry 120KGs! WOOT!

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[QUOTE="II_Seraphim_II"] I never mentioned RE4 :? and my point is that RE5 is so far removed from the source material that I can't understand how a fan of Resident Evil could possibly enjoy it as a RESIDENT EVIL GAME. As a Gears2 wanna be, sure, but not as a RE game. Granted, I've only played the demo, but those are the vibes im getting. As for Fallout3, its not a fallout game. If I gave a fallout fan who played Fallout 1/2 and then Oblivion, but went into a comma before he could find out that Bethesda bought the FO name and that they were making FO3, a chance to play FO3. And I didnt tell him the name of the game, but gave him 2 choice: "Fallout 3" or "Oblivion: Future" 9/10 he would choose Oblivion:Future, because thats what this game is. Sure the game happens to be set in the same universe, but being set in the same universe doesnt make it a "Fallout" game. I mean look at the Dark Knight and Batman & Robin. Set in the same universe, but 2 completely different types of movies. If Bethesda really wanted to make a dumbed down futuristic psuedo-RPG, they should have just made a new IP instead of destroying a great IP. And you know what? the majority of people claiming FO3 is the second coming, are the ones who have never played the previous ones. "So what? its a great game!" Yeah, and im sure with the right developement team, if Half-Life 3 were made into a card Battle Game, it would be a great game too, but the fans would sure as hell be pissed off because it would lose the "Half-Life" feel.II_Seraphim_II

You pretty much explained your problem there you played FO3 as just a fanboy of the series and showed bias towards that and ignored everything else that made the game good. I played the old Fallout games after playing 3 and I could notice right away what are the things you ppl say they took out of the game but I also noticed how badly the game aged.

You say they ''destoyed'' the series but the series was pretty much dead when they took the IP and I'm glad they did and made a great game out of it even if it didn't stay true 100% to it. Or are you going to imply it was better they didn't touch the series and let it die with just the 2 other games?

Seriously lately there are way too many butthurt ppl when a series changes. RE4 was a great game and I'm someone who played the old ones. I didn't need to view it and judge it as if it was a RE game or not in order to enjoy it.

You forgot to mention how they completely took out the the traits off the game and for the ones they did include as perks they took out the negative backlash of picking them, that's definitely something I'd have liked to see in 3.

I haven't played Nuts n Bolts since it doesn't look that interesting and not because I've played the old Banjo games but I just didn't like what a I saw. As for FO3 having all the bullets and such it's not something that bad as well as having the options, yeah you can prolly beat the game for the most part with basic weapons but that's your call you still have the option to use all the other ones available ,it's not like they forced you to do that. And if you like trying them all out like I did you are most likely going to exceed the weigh limit.

I can't believe that there are people that think Fallout 2 is superior to Fallout 3. It's not even a comparison. That's like comparing Ghosts 'n Goblins on NES to Resident Evil 4. Fallout 3 is so superior to Fallout 2, that the difference is laughable. Fallout 2 looks and plays like an ancient game in comparison.

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Timberwolf5578

The thing about the bolded section, is that both F)2 and Ghosts 'n' Goblins are superior games. FO3 = meh, and RE4 is no RE1.

Because the story (don't get my started on this one), lore, and many gameplay elements were subpar in FO3. And yes I do like the game, a lot. I modded the hell out of it last weekend though so now I'm enjoying it quite a bit more than I normally would.Saturos3091

I can't believe that there are people that think Fallout 2 is superior to Fallout 3. It's not even a comparison. That's like comparing Ghosts 'n Goblins on NES to Resident Evil 4. Fallout 3 is so superior to Fallout 2, that the difference is laughable. Fallout 2 looks and plays like an ancient game in comparison.

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Timberwolf5578

Oh, I forgot to mention that I played the original Fallout AFTER I played Oblivion.