Fallout 3 and Oblivion are the most state-of-the-art games ever made.

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#1 Timberwolf5578
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Ok, I know there are people on here who are going to knit pick about aspects of these games, and say things like "Oblivion's leveling system is messed up", or "Oblivion's AI is messed up", or "Fallout 3 doesn't have enough consequences when choosing dialogue", etc, etc, etc. But seriously people, these game are incredibly advanced compared all the other video games out there. They are entire worlds with a lot of unscripted, random, activities going on in the back ground. If you attack an innocent NPC in either game, the guards (or the whole town) turns against you. NPCs react to your charisma. If you try to hide in Fallout 3 and an enemy sees you they actually acknowledge that you were trying to hide. In both game if you steal something and if the NPC sees you, they actually acknowledge your actions. And the list goes on and on. The "Gothic" series comes close to being as advanced as these games, but not quite.

This is advanced stuff people. You have to at least appreciate the amount of work and time that must have gone into creating these games. Other games out there like shooters and adventure games may look nice and be fun to play, but are no where near as advanced, intelligent, or complex as Fallout 3 and Oblivion. One of the so-called "advanced" shooters out there is Crysis, and what does it really have that's so advanced? Good graphics, good physics, and the ability to shoot palm trees? Big deal. Compared to Fallout 3 and Oblivion, Crysis is nothing but a brainless run-and-gun game. Bioshock is a lot better in this regard, and is far more advanced overall than Crysis, but is still not to the level of Fallout 3 and Oblivion. Survival horror games often have great atmosphere, gameplay, and are a lot of fun to play, but are still not nearly as state-of-the-art as Fallout 3 and Oblivion.

Come on now, let's give Fallout 3 and Oblivion credit where credit is due.

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#2 organic_machine
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Advanced stuff? Those examples of "advanced stuff" have been in RPGs for years.
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#3 jg4xchamp
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Advanced stuff? Those examples of "advanced stuff" have been in RPGs for years. organic_machine
this post is exactly what i wanted to say.
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#4 Locke562
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:( Stop it please.
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#5 organic_machine
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[QUOTE="organic_machine"]Advanced stuff? Those examples of "advanced stuff" have been in RPGs for years. jg4xchamp
this post is exactly what i wanted to say.

And what I find funny is that he is compaing RPGs to FPSs. OF COURSE RPGs have more depth! That is kinda the whole point! :lol:

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#6 Vaasman
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This has to be a joke post. You can't honestly have been gaming more than 4 years if you think oblivion or fallout 3 are stated of the art.
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#7 Hellboard
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Read his post abit... he compares it with gothic series and i agree that both oblivion and fallout 3c are better...
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#8 jharv
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I got Oblivion GOTY edition for my PS3 and it's gotta be the biggest game I have ever played. So huge and so much to do all for $30. :D
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#9 donalbane
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They are indeed INCREDIBLE visually, and in their scope, and range of potential gameplay options. And if I may, NOBODY makes worthwhile DLC like Bethesda... Shivering Isles was more fun than 90% of the full retail games I played last year.
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#10 jethrovegas
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This is advanced stuff people. Timberwolf5578

No, it isn't.

This kind of "advanced stuff" has been around in the RPG genre for many, many years, and it's been done much better elsewhere.

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#11 foxhound_fox
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Someone needs to play Daggerfall and the original Fallout.
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#12 bobbetybob
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Runescape has random events and people seeing you if you steal things...that's not advanced at all.
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#13 Wasdie  Moderator
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Advanced stuff? Those examples of "advanced stuff" have been in RPGs for years. organic_machine
I was just about to say this. Now a 100% open ended, non scripted FPS would be something innovative.
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#14 unknown37
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Morrowind was better than those two combined
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#15 Johnny-n-Roger
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Morrowind was more stat-of-the-art back in 2002. It was preceded by such games as Neverwinter Nights, Icewind Dale, and Baldur's Gate.
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#16 jethrovegas
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HELPFUL EXAMPLE

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This is Fallout 2.

See how each city in the game has an opinion of you?

Notice how I ****ed Gecko up on my latest playthrough? Notice how I am now 'vilified' there?

Don't you think that's better than Oblivion where you can go on a rampage, pay a fine, and have everyone in Bruma forget that you are a murdering psychopath?

Take this example, apply it to everything else you mentioned, and realise that FO2 is just one game of many games that do all of that "advanced stuff" and then some, and do it much better.

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#17 heretrix
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So glitchy quests, disappearing characters, bad animation and outdated save systems are the way of the future?

Uh ok.

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#18 Shafftehr
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Darklands, a 1992 PC RPG, had most of the "advanced stuff" you're applauding Bethesda's recent games for - in a massive world you were free to explore no less. Now, don't get me wrong - I think Bethesda's recent games rock, and the hatred they get is entirely undue (PC fanboy sour grapes that another one of their big houses jumped ship), but the things you're crediting them with aren't advanced. So in short... I give them credit where credit is due - you're giving them credit precisely where credit isn't due.
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#19 Shafftehr
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So glitchy quests, disappearing characters, bad animation and outdated save systems are the way of the future?

Uh ok.

heretrix
Actually, yes, they probably are ;)
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#20 Devour2Survive
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Fallout 3 is a terrible game and Bethesda should feel terrible for making it.
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And if I may, NOBODY makes worthwhile DLC like Bethesda... donalbane
I'd have to say that Criterion makes excellent DLC.
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#22 Hellboard
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HELPFUL EXAMPLE

screencap

This is Fallout 2.

See how each city in the game has an opinion of you?

Notice how I ****ed Gecko up on my latest playthrough? Notice how I am now 'vilified' there?

Don't you think that's better than Oblivion where you can go on a rampage, pay a fine, and have everyone in Bruma forget that you are a murdering psychopath?

Take this example, apply it to everything else you mentioned, and realise that FO2 is just one game of many games that do all of that "advanced stuff" and then some, and do it much better.

jethrovegas
dude i love your posts.... also if you set low intelligence and charisma your character can even speak in dialogues here responds with ANABA ABAB lol...thats a really advanced rpg...
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#23 Devour2Survive
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Lol what was so worthwhile about having armor on your horse? The fact that you had to pay for that? Wow.
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#24 warmaster670
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Fallout 3 is a terrible game and Bethesda should feel terrible for making it.Devour2Survive

if you think fallout 3 is a terrible game id hate to see what you consider a great game.

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#25 heretrix
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Lol what was so worthwhile about having armor on your horse? The fact that you had to pay for that? Wow.Devour2Survive
I didn't know you had to pay for the horse armor. I recall playing many hours of Oblivion without it.
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[QUOTE="Devour2Survive"]Fallout 3 is a terrible game and Bethesda should feel terrible for making it.warmaster670

if you think fallout 3 is a terrible game id hate to see what you consider a great game.

Deus Ex...is a great game my friend.
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[QUOTE="organic_machine"]Advanced stuff? Those examples of "advanced stuff" have been in RPGs for years. Wasdie
I was just about to say this. Now a 100% open ended, non scripted FPS would be something innovative.

STALKER with Oblivion Lost is getting there, I think...
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#28 thepwninator
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[QUOTE="warmaster670"]

[QUOTE="Devour2Survive"]Fallout 3 is a terrible game and Bethesda should feel terrible for making it.Devour2Survive

if you think fallout 3 is a terrible game id hate to see what you consider a great game.

Deus Ex...is a great game my friend.

As is System Shock 2, STALKER, and many more besides.
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#29 deactivated-58b6232955e4a
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I really like both of them, but alot of people hate on them because oblivion was a step down from some of the things you can do in morrowind.
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#30 ps3_owns_360Wii
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i think that Gears 2, GTA 4 and many other are considered more state of the art
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#31 jeffwulf
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They're more state of the art by doing things that were done better 6 years ago by themselves? Awesome.
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#32 PAL360
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This has to be a joke post. You can't honestly have been gaming more than 4 years if you think oblivion or fallout 3 are stated of the art.Vaasman

Whats the problem with his opinion! I have been gaming since 80s and Oblivion is one of the best games i ever played.

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#33 MetroidPrimePwn
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Grand Theft Auto IV.

You are owned.

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#34 Johnny-n-Roger
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They're more state of the art by doing things that were done better 6 years ago by themselves? Awesome.jeffwulf
6 years? Try 10. Daggerfall.
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#35 Dead-Memories
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Fallout 3 is a terrible game and Bethesda should feel terrible for making it.Devour2Survive
Let's not go that far, it was still enjoyable despite being a dissapointment comparing it to Fallout 2.
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One of the so-called "advanced" shooters out there is Crysis, and what does it really have that's so advanced? Good graphics, good physics, and the ability to shoot palm trees? Big deal. Compared to Fallout 3 and Oblivion, Crysis is nothing but a brainless run-and-gun game. Bioshock is a lot better in this regard, and is far more advanced overall than Crysis, but is still not to the level of Fallout 3 and Oblivion

Timberwolf5578

Oh, and this statement is EXTREMELY full of fail. You've obviously never played Crysis OR BioShock if you think that Crysis is a run-n-gun shooter and BioShock is not...

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#37 JangoWuzHere
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Alot of this stuff has been done before in the past...
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#38 789shadow
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Fallout 3 and Oblivion are fantastic,but they get that label by doing things that have long been done really well.
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#39 Hewkii
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If you attack an innocent NPC in either game, the guards (or the whole town) turns against you.Timberwolf5578
yeah, that doesn't happen in any other game.
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[QUOTE="donalbane"] And if I may, NOBODY makes worthwhile DLC like Bethesda... heretrix
I'd have to say that Criterion makes excellent DLC.

You forgot to mention that Criterion does it for free and what they do charge for is reasonable.

I think the problem with this thread is that we all (or most) agree that Bethesda put a lot of work into the games and personally, I enjoy both games for similar and different reasons. However, as noted by many people, there are many games that offer that "wow" factor. Oblivion and Fallout offer an amazing experience unmatched by anything I've played on consoles, but many games offer different experiences and I'm sure there are many PC RPG's that offer amazing experiences as well

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#41 Morning_Revival
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Fallout 3 sucks but Oblivion was awesome.
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#42 Edwardo212
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It is obvious that Oblivion and Fallout 3 are deep and popular games.

What I would like to commend Bethesda on is that they were able to take the Fallout recipe and turn it into a good sequal worthy of the fallout name. I am glad they did not foul up one of my favorite franchises.

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#43 II-FBIsniper-II
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And here I was hoping that state-of-the-art games had good combat systems. :(
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#44 mo0ksi
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State-of-the-art games require good combat and animation, as well as an attractive gameworld, story and characters. Good writing too. Oblivion and Fallout 3 do not carry the above traits.
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#45 Timberwolf5578
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bump.
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#46 RK-Mara
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How long have you been gaming exactly? EDIT: You are bumping your own troll?
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#47 markop2003
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They're not advanced, they're standard in most games, Oblivion has some intresting lightly scripted stuff like the conversations between NPCs and the daily routines though they were done unconvincingly and very basically.
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#48 kidcool189
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TC is 13 yrs old and oblivion/fallout 3 are his first Wrpgs ever... ...yes, i know, generalizations ftl
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#49 fenwickhotmail
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It's not state of the art and is boring as hell
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#50 DontBeHatin1983
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Fallout3 & Oblivion are the most boring games to look at