Fallout 3 Fanboys: Get this through your heads

I am no Fallout 1 and 2 fanboy. I liked oblivion (over 300 hours put into several characters) despite its faults. I have only played about half (I guess) of Fallout 2. I had to push myself to keep playing because of various faults like bugs/ancient graphics/stretched view on my LCD screen. Yet I can see what the real Fallout fans are talking about.



Bethsada is turning a Plot and Choice driven RPG that also happens to have Combat into an Action game for teens. "OOOHHH nukelear guns! *giggle giggle*"



Now I'll start adding the standard Fallout 3 Fanboy arguments here as they get reposted here, cant be bothered to go digging through 500 mile long threads. Heres one I remember that seems to be popular

"Interplay was dead, so Bethsada is saving fallout, be grateful." - Some things are better left dead.

"So actually you're an oblivion fanboy who is pissed because the developers of fallout 3 said that fallout 3 will be a much better game..." - Thats a retarded idea. If I like oblivion it stands to reason I will like Fallout 3, since they are practically the same game with minior differences in details. HOWEVER, that still does not make Fallout 3 a good Fallout game.

Subrosian just nailed it.

"Fallout was a game on the order of Final Fantasy VII, in the number of diehard fans it created. You can bet your ass if Final Fantasy VII was being remade by Bungie as a shoddy FPS you'd see an uproar 10,000x the magnitude of when SE made a crappy action-FPS spin-off. And rightly so - they called this Fallout 3, it damn well better be Fallout 3, not 'Betheseda presents Oblivion II - Future Edition'"

Brilliantly put Subrosian!

And i agree..Fallout is dead and should be left dead..no gravedigging for such a classic game...

Change is good but dont make it the main reason for every game..what if Mario was a FPS...what if FF was a shooter.., im tired of people saying "Change happens get over it"..it dosent work like that..Fallout 1-2 are heavy RPG games with action elements..not Heavy action with little RPG elements...

The older fallout fans are correct..they turned a great franchise into a casual run'n'gun shooter so noobs can pick it up and play with little next to no thinking at all..

if after Fallout 3 releases and reviewers say that this is the BEST fallout evarzzz , i swear im gonna murder them.

THIS , this thing isnt fallout , its sum crazy spin off .

Their biggest mistake is naming it Fallout3, few people had problems with FO:Tactics because it wasn't marketed as a direct sequel, but a spinoff. I wish Beth would had done the same and just named it Fallout: Oblivionized, or something.mr_mozilla

:lol: oblivionized :lol:

they did the same thing with bioshock. they took a good game in system shock and made it mediocre, they also took a great game in morrowind and turned it into an average game in oblivion.

but of course fallout would be different?
end sarcasm!

One of the most underused genres this gen has to be the shooter, so i'm glad Bethesda will finally cover that base :roll:

Welcome to the age of fat, spoilt, A.D.D children and the world of action oriented games aimed at them.

they did the same thing with bioshock. they took a good game in system shock and made it mediocre, they also took a great game in morrowind and turned it into an average game in oblivion.

but of course fallout would be different?
end sarcasm!

incred_davis

System Shock Beats Bioshock (dues ex beats them both)

Morrowind Beats Oblivion (daggerfall beats them both)

Fallout 1 & 2 by the trend will more then likely beat Fallout 3.

Your so called sarcasm has a wierd logic to it.

gravedigger perk comes to mind...

Just waiting to see how many people post " Stop living in the and get over it " and "you lot are afraid of change" argument

[QUOTE="incred_davis"]

they did the same thing with bioshock. they took a good game in system shock and made it mediocre, they also took a great game in morrowind and turned it into an average game in oblivion.

but of course fallout would be different?
end sarcasm!

Zenkuso

System Shock Beats Bioshock (dues ex beats them both)

Morrowind Beats Oblivion (daggerfall beats them both)

Fallout 1 & 2 by the trend will more then likely beat Fallout 3.

Your so called sarcasm has a wierd logic to it.

I think you're misreading his post. He thinks that Fallout 3 will not be as good as Fallout 1-2 but he said it in a sarcastic manner.

Unless of course I'm misreading BOTH posts somehow. :P

[QUOTE="Zenkuso"][QUOTE="incred_davis"]

they did the same thing with bioshock. they took a good game in system shock and made it mediocre, they also took a great game in morrowind and turned it into an average game in oblivion.

but of course fallout would be different?
end sarcasm!

Wartzay

System Shock Beats Bioshock (dues ex beats them both)

Morrowind Beats Oblivion (daggerfall beats them both)

Fallout 1 & 2 by the trend will more then likely beat Fallout 3.

Your so called sarcasm has a wierd logic to it.

I think you're misreading his post. He thinks that Fallout 3 will not be as good as Fallout 1-2 but he said it in a sarcastic manner.

Unless of course I'm misreading BOTH posts somehow. :P

probably am but I would notice, I haven't slept since yesterday, work sucks.

so pretend it's called Nuclear RPG and enjoy the game for what it's worth. Seriously, this game is a potential GOTY, no need to complain. TruestGamer

I think I just threw up a little....

It still baffles me to this day how people can argue about a game that's not even out yet of whether a game is good or bad.Solidus_Mute

it also baffles me that people can hype this game as the next coming of christ when they havent played it

It still baffles me to this day how people can argue about a game that's not even out yet of whether a game is good or bad.Solidus_Mute

Well, it's difficult to explain. Halo fans can imagine how they'd feel if Halo Wars had been named Halo4 and all the RTS fans suddenly emerged from their basements hyping it as the best Halo game ever, and telling the fans of original Halo to shut up and stop whining because no one wants to play some stupid 1st person game anyway.

[QUOTE="Solidus_Mute"]It still baffles me to this day how people can argue about a game that's not even out yet of whether a game is good or bad.mr_mozilla

Well, it's difficult to explain. Halo fans can imagine how they'd feel if Halo Wars had been named Halo4 and all the RTS fans suddenly emerged from their basements hyping it as the best Halo game ever, and telling the fans of original Halo to shut up and stop whining because no one wants to play some stupid 1st person game anyway.

Speaking as a huge Halo fan, I fail to see the problem. Is the naming convention really that big of an issue?

So actually you're an oblivion fanboy who is pissed because the developers of fallout 3 said that fallout 3 will be a much better game...knight-k

Hey, if it's anything like Oblivion then it will be boring for me.

[QUOTE="mr_mozilla"]

[QUOTE="Solidus_Mute"]It still baffles me to this day how people can argue about a game that's not even out yet of whether a game is good or bad.SpruceCaboose

Well, it's difficult to explain. Halo fans can imagine how they'd feel if Halo Wars had been named Halo4 and all the RTS fans suddenly emerged from their basements hyping it as the best Halo game ever, and telling the fans of original Halo to shut up and stop whining because no one wants to play some stupid 1st person game anyway.

Speaking as a huge Halo fan, I fail to see the problem. Is the naming convention really that big of an issue?

Well yes because it probably means you'll never see another FPS Halo game. A better analogy would be Bungie selling off the franchise and the new company making a racing game with the name instead.

Antifans of Fallout 3, get this through your heads.

The game looks & sounds like a blast ! That's the bottom line for me, a gamer.

Sheesh, they shoulda called the game "Fall-In" and all would be happy I guess.

[QUOTE="mr_mozilla"]

[QUOTE="Solidus_Mute"]It still baffles me to this day how people can argue about a game that's not even out yet of whether a game is good or bad.SpruceCaboose

Well, it's difficult to explain. Halo fans can imagine how they'd feel if Halo Wars had been named Halo4 and all the RTS fans suddenly emerged from their basements hyping it as the best Halo game ever, and telling the fans of original Halo to shut up and stop whining because no one wants to play some stupid 1st person game anyway.

Speaking as a huge Halo fan, I fail to see the problem. Is the naming convention really that big of an issue?

NOW imagine if the halo franchise became a RTS only after halo wars . how will u feel .

the sequel to halo 3 a RTS ? eh ?

it looks cool

if it sucks it sucks. i hated oblivion so i will not buy this unless i hear confirmation that it is very very good.

it looks cool

if it sucks it sucks. i hated oblivion so i will not buy this unless i hear confirmation that it is very very good.

mistervengeance

You mean like a 9.6 and GOTY? :P

Well yes because it probably means you'll never see another FPS Halo game. A better analogy would be Bungie selling off the franchise and the new company making a racing game with the name instead.

Stonin

Ok. Still would not bother me.

"What's in a name? That which we call a rose
By any other name would smell as sweet."

Shakespeare, as much as I don't consider his works to be as epic as many literary scholars would have you believe, nailed it when he said that above quotation.

Its a name. Call Fallout 3 Oblivion 2 in your head if it bothers you so much.

Obviously its doing something right as a game, its been getting alot of love from previews. Maybe its not just like the old Fallouts. If you don't like the game, you don't have to play it. If you just don't like the idea of the game changing things in the Fallout universe, perhaps you can enjoy it on some other level instead of thinking of it as a Fallout game.

As for the Halo analogy, I would not care what they called it, or what game gets slapped with the term Halo. I am aware of what games were the original Halo's, and I am familiar with the history of the game and world, so to me, I could ignore things I wanted, or even try these new games to see how they are and take them for what they are, not what I think they should be.

NOW imagine if the halo franchise became a RTS only after halo wars . how will u feel .

the sequel to halo 3 a RTS ? eh ?

jaisimar_chelse

Again, would not bother me. I would be able to play it for what it was, and if I didn't like it, I didn't like it.

I can kind of sympathise with the meaning of taking a franchise you love and having some other company turn it into something different than what the series used to be...sort of. When Jak X came out.... I felt like...wtf. But, it was still a game made by Naughty Dog. Also, I iked Jak X and thought it was a pretty good game. But, I wanted Jak 4.

To say the least, I have never played Fallout 1+2. Which I take is a heavy rpg game with some action and Fallout 3 seems to them to be a heavy action game with rpg elements. This reminds me of Deus Ex and Deus Ex 2. I loved Deus Ex and it's heavy emphisis on rpg rather than action. Deus Ex 2 was a little more action than in RPG terms. None the less, I still liked Deus Ex 2.

Overall: To the fallout fans who are complaining about Fallout 3. It's a way of life. This isn't like the first time this has ever happened and it isn't going to be the last. Which is the sad truth.

This game will be deep and meaningfull.

Obviously its doing something right as a game, its been getting alot of love from previews. Maybe its not just like the old Fallouts. If you don't like the game, you don't have to play it. If you just don't like the idea of the game changing things in the Fallout universe, perhaps you can enjoy it on some other level instead of thinking of it as a Fallout game.

As for the Halo analogy, I would not care what they called it, or what game gets slapped with the term Halo. I am aware of what games were the original Halo's, and I am familiar with the history of the game and world, so to me, I could ignore things I wanted, or even try these new games to see how they are and take them for what they are, not what I think they should be.

SpruceCaboose

Well then you can't really be a Halo fan now can you? If you don't care if they never make another Halo in the ****that hooked you, and millions of others, then you have either a) become jaded by it and don't care or b) were never that bothered in the first place.

What bothers fans is that the rights to the name, the intellectual property including the Fallout '**** world and all game assets now belong to Bethesda. There will be no more Fallout as an RPG, period.

What annoys people is that they didn't come up with an original IP because there is much more work to be done in the conceptual stage. It is easier to cash in on someone elses work.

[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"]

Obviously its doing something right as a game, its been getting alot of love from previews. Maybe its not just like the old Fallouts. If you don't like the game, you don't have to play it. If you just don't like the idea of the game changing things in the Fallout universe, perhaps you can enjoy it on some other level instead of thinking of it as a Fallout game.

As for the Halo analogy, I would not care what they called it, or what game gets slapped with the term Halo. I am aware of what games were the original Halo's, and I am familiar with the history of the game and world, so to me, I could ignore things I wanted, or even try these new games to see how they are and take them for what they are, not what I think they should be.

Stonin

Well then you can't really be a Halo fan now can you? If you don't care if they never make another Halo in the ****that hooked you, and millions of others, then you have either a) become jaded by it and don't care or b) were never that bothered in the first place.

What bothers fans is that the rights to the name, the intellectual property including the Fallout '**** world and all game assets now belong to Bethesda. There will be no more Fallout as an RPG, period.

What annoys people is that they didn't come up with an original IP because there is much more work to be done in the conceptual stage. It is easier to cash in on someone elses work.

Actually, I am a huge Halo fan, and have been for a long time. I am just rational. I can understand that there are business decisions and corporate choices that can sometimes dictate what happens to a franchise.

The Halo franchise ended with Halo 3 for me. Other games in the name will be judged on a case by case basis by me. If they fit in with the universe and I like them, that is great. If I don't like them, no big deal.

And I highly doubt that they snagged the Fallout name to cash in, since there are names out there with much higher profiles, should they have wanted the name simply to cash in.

This game will be deep and meaningfull.

Kez1984

if after Fallout 3 releases and reviewers say that this is the BEST fallout evarzzz , i swear im gonna murder them.

THIS , this thing isnt fallout , its sum crazy spin off .

jaisimar_chelse

Expect consolites drooling over it "THE BEST RPG EVA N DA BEST FALLOUT TO DAIT".

Actually, I am a huge Halo fan, and have been for a long time. I am just rational. I can understand that there are business decisions and corporate choices that can sometimes dictate what happens to a franchise.

The Halo franchise ended with Halo 3 for me. Other games in the name will be judged on a case by case basis by me. If they fit in with the universe and I like them, that is great. If I don't like them, no big deal.

And I highly doubt that they snagged the Fallout name to cash in, since there are names out there with much higher profiles, should they have wanted the name simply to cash in.

SpruceCaboose

Well they sure didn't snag the name to pay homage to the original.

Ok so Halo ended with Halo 3 for you, but imagine that the story was left with Halo 2 and instead of finishing it in Halo 3 a new developer decides that Master Chef is more fitting than Master Chief. They go on to make a cooking game 'themed' on the Halo universe but they change character names, make the enemy look kinda cutesy and ignore all Halo canon in the process.

While this is an extreme example this is how fans feel. In your favourite series they managed to finish off the story and tie it up nicely. In my favourite franchise they are bastardising it and all of it's lore just so they can cash in with their crappy Oblivion engine re-modelled. For Fallout fans the death of the series is now, where as if it had been left alone at least the hope remained of a true sequal.

[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"]

Actually, I am a huge Halo fan, and have been for a long time. I am just rational. I can understand that there are business decisions and corporate choices that can sometimes dictate what happens to a franchise.

The Halo franchise ended with Halo 3 for me. Other games in the name will be judged on a case by case basis by me. If they fit in with the universe and I like them, that is great. If I don't like them, no big deal.

And I highly doubt that they snagged the Fallout name to cash in, since there are names out there with much higher profiles, should they have wanted the name simply to cash in.

Stonin

Well they sure didn't snag the name to pay homage to the original.

Ok so Halo ended with Halo 3 for you, but imagine that the story was left with Halo 2 and instead of finishing it in Halo 3 a new developer decides that Master Chef is more fitting than Master Chief. They go on to make a cooking game 'themed' on the Halo universe but they change character names, make the enemy look kinda cutesy and ignore all Halo canon in the process.

While this is an extreme example this is how fans feel. In your favourite series they managed to finish off the story and tie it up nicely. In my favourite franchise they are bastardising it and all of it's lore just so they can cash in with their crappy Oblivion engine re-modelled. For Fallout fans the death of the series is now, where as if it had been left alone at least the hope remained of a true sequal.

Then don't play it. There was little hope of ever having a game just like Fallout 2 from the original people. Hell, hermits always brag about user made content and mods. Why not just mod Fallout 3 into what they want?

That is an option that would never be afforded to console gamers like me, should a franchise die before it is finished.

Then don't play it. There was little hope of ever having a game just like Fallout 2 from the original people. Hell, hermits always brag about user made content and mods. Why not just mod Fallout 3 into what they want?

That is an option that would never be afforded to console gamers like me, should a franchise die before it is finished.

SpruceCaboose

Heh, the point is I won't buy it. You see my angle though, at least to some degree? This is a games discussion board after all and if you can't voice your displeasure here then where can you?

I would agree about the mods except that Bethesda have already told us they won't ship it with an editor and don't know if they ever will.

I've never played a fallout game, but I understand the fans being pissed, I'd be REALLY pissed off if in a couple of years for some odd reason some other dev team would make the next Metal Gear Solid game and change it's essence.Eddie-Vedder

Thank you for being one of the few people to show some understanding.

None of this is life or death, none of it even really matters and this sure isn't going to be the last time it happens. However, they should have let the memory of Fallout remain as it was and used a different franchise if they couldn't do the game justice.

[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"]

Then don't play it. There was little hope of ever having a game just like Fallout 2 from the original people. Hell, hermits always brag about user made content and mods. Why not just mod Fallout 3 into what they want?

That is an option that would never be afforded to console gamers like me, should a franchise die before it is finished.

Stonin

Heh, the point is I won't buy it. You see my angle though, at least to some degree? This is a games discussion board after all and if you can't voice your displeasure here then where can you?

I would agree about the mods except that Bethesda have already told us they won't ship it with an editor and don't know if they ever will.

Nah even without the editor we mod makers can do a lot, just takes us longer.

An editors a help, not a needed application ;)

I'm the opposite boat on getting it, I'll buy it (to play it) but I won't consider the game canon, fallout 3 will be like tactics for me, enjoyable but not fallout.

[QUOTE="Stonin"]

[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"]

Then don't play it. There was little hope of ever having a game just like Fallout 2 from the original people. Hell, hermits always brag about user made content and mods. Why not just mod Fallout 3 into what they want?

That is an option that would never be afforded to console gamers like me, should a franchise die before it is finished.

Zenkuso

Heh, the point is I won't buy it. You see my angle though, at least to some degree? This is a games discussion board after all and if you can't voice your displeasure here then where can you?

I would agree about the mods except that Bethesda have already told us they won't ship it with an editor and don't know if they ever will.

Nah even without the editor we mod makers can do a lot, just takes us longer.

An editors a help, not a needed application ;)

I'm the opposite boat on getting it, I'll buy it (to play it) but I won't consider the game canon, fallout 3 will be like tactics for me, enjoyable but not fallout.

That's cool, I'm just putting my money where my mouth is this time and leaving well alone. I bought Oblivion against my better judgement and i'm not about to give them any more money.

I understand about modding without the editor but unless this is a massive hit there will be little in the way of a total re-write :(.

But the problem with Fallout 3 isn't so much Bethesda making radical changes to the Fallout IP, but rather that they're doing it in such an arrogant way. Rather than just saying "Hey, Fallout 1 and 2 would never be economically viable in today's world, so we have to make changes." or "Sure we're making changes, but give us the benefit of the doubt" Bethesda has essentially said "Fallout 1 and 2 were great games. Except they sucked, all of those decisions and choices ruined the games -- you had to play it 2 or 3 times to experience everything! So we're going to make it more linear and 'casualized'. We're all huge Fallout fans -- you should see how much gore and swearing there is! You're going to love it. OMG Nukuler Explozions!" The issue isn't so much that they're changing the Fallout IP, but rather how they're ****ing in our toaster and calling it a pop-tart.PBSnipes