Fallout 3 Fanboys: Get this through your heads
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System Shock 2 >>> BioShock
Deus Ex >>> Deus Ex 2
Thief I&II >>> Thief DS
Doom I&II >>> Doom 3
Fallout I&II >>> Fallout 3
Age of Empires I&II&Myth >>> Age of Empires III
The Elder Scrolls II&III >>> The Elder Scrolls IV
With new IP you don't have to live up to the standards of old games, you just set new standards. Mass Effect is a great example. Even though it isn't hailed as one of the best role-playing games ever made, it's still a great game because it's new and tries to blend two different genres into one instead of building off the old with new ideas and in some cases, ruining the old ideas (*cough* BioShock *cough*).
I am pretty sure everyone would have been fine if Bethesda hadn't called their interpretation of Fallout "a direct sequel" and how "they get Fallout." Spinoffs are fine, you can even still play up the prestige of the name to win you some sales, just that way you won't destroy a work of art.
All you Fallout nerds are so annoying! If you are not interested in the game, then dont buy it!! Theres no point coming on a video game forum to talk crap about it if you have no interest in playing it.
I love Oblivion (best RPG ever made), I love Bethesda (love Morrowind), and all i really play are FPS's, so Fallout 3 is a preorder for me!
This is why I've begun to start enjoying new IP much more than sequels to older IP. It's sad when games that are more modern are lesser quality than those that came out a decade ago.
System Shock 2 >>> BioShock
Deus Ex >>> Deus Ex 2
Thief I&II >>> Thief DS
Doom I&II >>> Doom 3
Fallout I&II >>> Fallout 3
Age of Empires I&II&Myth >>> Age of Empires III
The Elder Scrolls II&III >>> The Elder Scrolls IV
With new IP you don't have to live up to the standards of old games, you just set new standards. Mass Effect is a great example. Even though it isn't hailed as one of the best role-playing games ever made, it's still a great game because it's new and tries to blend two different genres into one instead of building off the old with new ideas and in some cases, ruining the old ideas (*cough* BioShock *cough*).
I am pretty sure everyone would have been fine if Bethesda hadn't called their interpretation of Fallout "a direct sequel" and how "they get Fallout." Spinoffs are fine, you can even still play up the prestige of the name to win you some sales, just that way you won't destroy a work of art.
foxhound_fox
Honestly, how is Doom 1 and 2 better than Doom 3? Doom 1 and 2 are pretty much in 2d. And i think Oblivion is one of the greatest RPG's ever made, so opinions are opinions
All you Fallout nerds are so annoying! If you are not interested in the game, then dont buy it!! Theres no point coming on a video game forum to talk crap about it if you have no interest in playing it.
I love Oblivion (best RPG ever made), I love Bethesda (love Morrowind), and all i really play are FPS's, so Fallout 3 is a preorder for me!
krp008
Thats great hopefully F3 will get you intrested in F1 and F2 so you can play those great games as well..
but remember if this was any game you would be doing the same thing...If halo was a Racer EVERY fanboy would run to bungie and kick them all in the balls for this stupid mistake..
And i think Oblivion is one of the greatest RPG's ever made, so opinions are opinionskrp008You think Oblivion, with its lack of character progression thanks to level scailing, fast pacing thanks to quick travel, overall lack of consequences for your actions, ability to join all the guilds without ramifications, lack of an original story that seems like a cross between Lovecraft and Barker, and lack of unique characters a "greatest RPG ever made"?
[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]This is why I've begun to start enjoying new IP much more than sequels to older IP. It's sad when games that are more modern are lesser quality than those that came out a decade ago.
System Shock 2 >>> BioShock
Deus Ex >>> Deus Ex 2
Thief I&II >>> Thief DS
Doom I&II >>> Doom 3
Fallout I&II >>> Fallout 3
Age of Empires I&II&Myth >>> Age of Empires III
The Elder Scrolls II&III >>> The Elder Scrolls IV
With new IP you don't have to live up to the standards of old games, you just set new standards. Mass Effect is a great example. Even though it isn't hailed as one of the best role-playing games ever made, it's still a great game because it's new and tries to blend two different genres into one instead of building off the old with new ideas and in some cases, ruining the old ideas (*cough* BioShock *cough*).
I am pretty sure everyone would have been fine if Bethesda hadn't called their interpretation of Fallout "a direct sequel" and how "they get Fallout." Spinoffs are fine, you can even still play up the prestige of the name to win you some sales, just that way you won't destroy a work of art.
krp008
Honestly, how is Doom 1 and 2 better than Doom 3? Doom 1 and 2 are pretty much in 2d. And i think Oblivion is one of the greatest RPG's ever made, so opinions are opinions
Doom 1 and ESP Doom2, Had much more in depth level design that made the game fun..D3 was a little to linear and was a little scripted as well..Doom2 is much more fun than D3 IMO...even ID is remaking Doom4 like Doom2 instead of Doom3 because that game was such a success and one of there greatest games..
[QUOTE="krp008"] And i think Oblivion is one of the greatest RPG's ever made, so opinions are opinionsVandalvideoYou think Oblivion, with its lack of character progression thanks to level scailing, fast pacing thanks to quick travel, overall lack of consequences for your actions, ability to join all the guilds without ramifications, lack of an original story that seems like a cross between Lovecraft and Barker, and lack of unique characters a "greatest RPG ever made"?
None of those things have to detract from a game. It's all how you look at it. If you couldn't join conflicting guilds you would have to sink another 40 hrs into a new character. The story was kind of chump, but I still loved the game.
You think Oblivion, with its lack of character progression thanks to level scailing, fast pacing thanks to quick travel, overall lack of consequences for your actions, ability to join all the guilds without ramifications, lack of an original story that seems like a cross between Lovecraft and Barker, and lack of unique characters a "greatest RPG ever made"?[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="krp008"] And i think Oblivion is one of the greatest RPG's ever made, so opinions are opinionsexcelR83
None of those things have to detract from a game. It's all how you look at it. If you couldn't join conflicting guilds you would have to sink another 40 hrs into a new character. The story was kind of chump, but I still loved the game.
All of those games clearly show that the game is lacking in the RPG area. Everything that I listed are the traditional aspects of a n RPG. When you take away those things, its not really an RPG anymore is it?Honestly, how is Doom 1 and 2 better than Doom 3? Doom 1 and 2 are pretty much in 2d. And i think Oblivion is one of the greatest RPG's ever made, so opinions are opinionskrp008
Doom 3 is called Doom "3" despite being something totally different from the first two games. It was a game that focused on linear, scripted, cinematic horror gameplay while the first two games focused on throwing you into a level with hundreds of enemies and your goal was to kill them all and survive long enough to make it to the next level.
If you actually spent time playing Doom I or II you would know this. I enjoyed Doom 3, it was a good game, but it was nothing like the originals. Again, that's the point. Even to this day the quality of the original Doom's gameplay of "en masse" enemy rushes hasn't been topped.
If think that Oblivion is one of the "greatest" role-playing games you need to start actually playing some quality role-playing games like Fallout, Planescape Torment, Vampire: The Masquerade Bloodlines and Baldur's Gate II. Game where you can actually role-play. Looting dungeons and having "choice" of which dungeons you want to loot isn't role-playing. Oblivion is more of an action-adventure than it is a role-playing game.
There is opinion and then there is an educated and informed opinion.
I feel the Fallout fans pain. When Rob Zombie destroyed Halloween I was pretty mad that he managed to take a classic film and **** on everything that was great about it in the first place. Maybe the movie would have be good if it wasn't going to be called 'Halloween'.
Anywho Fallout 3 looks dull just like Oblivion was for me and I don't understand the hype behind it. Its like peoples expectations of games and almost any media is getting lower as time goes on.
[QUOTE="mistervengeance"]it looks cool
if it sucks it sucks. i hated oblivion so i will not buy this unless i hear confirmation that it is very very good.
Stonin
You mean like a 9.6 and GOTY? :P
yeah, i know. i just really didn't like it.
"Fallout was a game on the order of Final Fantasy VII, in the number of diehard fans it created. You can bet your ass if Final Fantasy VII was being remade by Bungie as a shoddy FPS you'd see an uproar 10,000x the magnitude of when SE made a crappy action-FPS spin-off. And rightly so - they called this Fallout 3, it damn well better be Fallout 3, not 'Betheseda presents Oblivion II - Future Edition'"
Brilliantly put Subrosian!
Wartzay
Again, these analogies DO NOT WORK.
It would only work is Square did NOTHING with the FF franchise for a FULL DECADE. SE went to the brink of bankruptcy, and in order to save the company (and all of their IP's and projects) they decided take up Bungie's offer to buy the FF IP (thereby saving SE and preventing the IP from being forever in limbo,) then Bungie remade it in the mold of Halo. There would still be absolutely nothing stopping SE from making a FF type game without the name, and there is nothing stopping Interplay from doing so either.
Yes, in that scenario complaining endlessly would be absurd. The IP would've been dead without the purchase, the parent company would've been dead, and there had been no releases for a full friggin decade and would never have been another FF, "proper" or otherwise, ever again. If you didn't like the new concept of FF DON'T PLAY IT, it would not affect how the past games play.
I really, honestly, think the people that complain so often about it just really need to get something more meaningful in their lives.
[QUOTE="Wartzay"]"Fallout was a game on the order of Final Fantasy VII, in the number of diehard fans it created. You can bet your ass if Final Fantasy VII was being remade by Bungie as a shoddy FPS you'd see an uproar 10,000x the magnitude of when SE made a crappy action-FPS spin-off. And rightly so - they called this Fallout 3, it damn well better be Fallout 3, not 'Betheseda presents Oblivion II - Future Edition'"
Brilliantly put Subrosian!
RuprechtMonkey
Again, these analogies DO NOT WORK.
It would only work is Square did NOTHING with the FF franchise for a FULL DECADE. Went to the brink of banruptcy, and in order to save the company they took up Bungie's offer to sell the IP (thereby saving SE and preventing the IP from being forever in limbo,) then Bungie remade it in the mold of Halo. There would still be absolutely nothing stopping SE from making a FF type game without the name.
I really, honestly, think the people that complain so often about it just really need to get something more meaningful in their lives.
Once again, the business aspects of this have nothing to do with what happened to the game itself. Bethesda COULD have not propmised a faithful sequal. Bethesda COULD HAVE called it something other than fallout 3. Bethesda could have acknowledged that they were using the name for their own benefits only. Instead, Bethesda committed one of the most intellectually dishonest things you can do to a cultural phenomenon like Fallout, and that is to commit Iconoclasm.[QUOTE="RuprechtMonkey"][QUOTE="Wartzay"]"Fallout was a game on the order of Final Fantasy VII, in the number of diehard fans it created. You can bet your ass if Final Fantasy VII was being remade by Bungie as a shoddy FPS you'd see an uproar 10,000x the magnitude of when SE made a crappy action-FPS spin-off. And rightly so - they called this Fallout 3, it damn well better be Fallout 3, not 'Betheseda presents Oblivion II - Future Edition'"
Brilliantly put Subrosian!
Vandalvideo
Again, these analogies DO NOT WORK.
It would only work is Square did NOTHING with the FF franchise for a FULL DECADE. Went to the brink of banruptcy, and in order to save the company they took up Bungie's offer to sell the IP (thereby saving SE and preventing the IP from being forever in limbo,) then Bungie remade it in the mold of Halo. There would still be absolutely nothing stopping SE from making a FF type game without the name.
I really, honestly, think the people that complain so often about it just really need to get something more meaningful in their lives.
Once again, the business aspects of this have nothing to do with what happened to the game itself. Bethesda COULD have not propmised a faithful sequal. Bethesda COULD HAVE called it something other than fallout 3. Bethesda could have acknowledged that they were using the name for their own benefits only. Instead, Bethesda committed one of the most intellectually dishonest things you can do to a cultural phenomenon like Fallout, and that is to commit Iconoclasm.Bethesda would say they are still being "Faithful." You're arguing semantics and opinion now - so ridiculous. They'd say the atmosphere, characters, etc. are still very much there. Did anyone actually think for a second Bethesda was going to make an isometric turn based RPG? Were you high or something? There is nothing stopping Interplay from making an isometric turn based RPG in the Fallout mold, nothing at all. And why would Bethesda buy the IP only to NOT call the game Fallout? Lol, that makes complete sense.
Honestly, man, you need to find a more meaningful e-cause, to reasonable people you are humiliating yourself.
Jesus, you would think this was the end of the world here. It is such, such a silly thing to complain about, and your arguments are completely asinine. Don't like it, don't play it. End of story.
And LOLLLLL at Iconoclasm.
I think these 'hardcore' PC gamers make way too big a deal out of this and need to get a life.
I love PC gaming,but I'm not some nostalgic gamer who lives in the past of outdated isometric RPG's. I move on with the industry. I play games like Call of Duty,Gears of War,Team Fortress 2. I don't go around ranting about how these games are 'casualised'.
My favorite game of all time is Deus Ex,but that's simply for the memories I have with it and because it was so incredible when it came out. These days,it feels dated. I can still appreciate it,but I move on.
Yes,RPG's like Fallout are gone. What was the last 'true' RPG for you hardcore fans? The Witcher? What else? What's coming up in the future int erms of great RPG's?
Consider these questions. The big name RPG's this year are Fallout 3 and Fable 2. You nostalgic Fallout fans need to look at these two games,and if they appear too casualised and dumbed down for you,I suggest you just stop caring and leave,because these are the future of RPG's right here,wether you like it or not.
Bethesda would say they are still being "Faithful." You're arguing semantics and opinion now - so ridiculous. They'd say the atmosphere, characters, etc. are still very much there. Did anyone actually think for a second Bethesda was going to make an isometric turn based RPG? Were you high or something? There is nothing stopping Interplay from making an isometric turn based RPG in the Fallout mold, nothing at all.Honestly, man, you need to find a more meaningful e-cause, to reasonable people you are humiliating yourself.Jesus, you would think this was the end of the world here. It is such, such a silly thing to complain about, and your arguments are completely asinine. Don't like it, don't play it. End of story.And LOLLLLL at Iconoclasm.RuprechtMonkeyYou can lawl all you want and call my cause weak, but that doesm't serve to help your arguement at all. Bethesda did commit Iconoclasm to one of the most recognizable cultural phenomenon in gaming. That in and of itself is intellectually dishonest, and at the same time promising to provide a faithful sequel. They did this to themselves. The atmosphere and everything that previously defined the games are GONE, as illustrated by a number of different interviews conducted by Bethesda. They have illustrated a general lack of understanding about the franchise, and there is nothing left except the name. As far as you saying there is nothing stopping Interplay from making another Fallout game, it shows just how little you know. The poeple behind Fallout left Interplay a long time ago after they closed down Black Isle Studios. After a breif stint at Troika, many of the original development teams now reside at Obsidian. Even if Interplay wanted to, they couldn't create another Fallout.
I think these 'hardcore' PC gamers make way too big a deal out of this and need to get a life.
I love PC gaming,but I'm not some nostalgic gamer who lives in the past of outdated isometric RPG's. I move on with the industry. I play games like Call of Duty,Gears of War,Team Fortress 2. I don't go around ranting about how these games are 'casualised'.
My favorite game of all time is Deus Ex,but that's simply for the memories I have with it and because it was so incredible when it came out. These days,it feels dated. I can still appreciate it,but I move on.
Yes,RPG's like Fallout are gone. What was the last 'true' RPG for you hardcore fans? The Witcher? What else? What's coming up in the future int erms of great RPG's?
Consider these questions. The big name RPG's this year are Fallout 3 and Fable 2. You nostalgic Fallout fans need to look at these two games,and if they appear too casualised and dumbed down for you,I suggest you just stop caring and leave,because these are the future of RPG's right here,wether you like it or not.
stepat201
Well said.
*claps*
[QUOTE="RuprechtMonkey"][QUOTE="Wartzay"]"Fallout was a game on the order of Final Fantasy VII, in the number of diehard fans it created. You can bet your ass if Final Fantasy VII was being remade by Bungie as a shoddy FPS you'd see an uproar 10,000x the magnitude of when SE made a crappy action-FPS spin-off. And rightly so - they called this Fallout 3, it damn well better be Fallout 3, not 'Betheseda presents Oblivion II - Future Edition'"
Brilliantly put Subrosian!
Vandalvideo
Again, these analogies DO NOT WORK.
It would only work is Square did NOTHING with the FF franchise for a FULL DECADE. Went to the brink of banruptcy, and in order to save the company they took up Bungie's offer to sell the IP (thereby saving SE and preventing the IP from being forever in limbo,) then Bungie remade it in the mold of Halo. There would still be absolutely nothing stopping SE from making a FF type game without the name.
I really, honestly, think the people that complain so often about it just really need to get something more meaningful in their lives.
Once again, the business aspects of this have nothing to do with what happened to the game itself. Bethesda COULD have not propmised a faithful sequal. Bethesda COULD HAVE called it something other than fallout 3. Bethesda could have acknowledged that they were using the name for their own benefits only. Instead, Bethesda committed one of the most intellectually dishonest things you can do to a cultural phenomenon like Fallout, and that is to commit Iconoclasm.I'm glad you kept it all in perspective and didn't overstate it.:roll:
I think these 'hardcore' PC gamers make way too big a deal out of this and need to get a life.
stepat201
This, ladies and gentleman, is the understatement of the year.
I'm glad you kept it all in perspective and didn't overstate it.:roll:HuffOverstate it? The Gamboni definition of Iconoclasm is the intentional, dominating act aimed at changing a cultural figure or work.
[QUOTE="RuprechtMonkey"]Bethesda would say they are still being "Faithful." You're arguing semantics and opinion now - so ridiculous. They'd say the atmosphere, characters, etc. are still very much there. Did anyone actually think for a second Bethesda was going to make an isometric turn based RPG? Were you high or something? There is nothing stopping Interplay from making an isometric turn based RPG in the Fallout mold, nothing at all.Honestly, man, you need to find a more meaningful e-cause, to reasonable people you are humiliating yourself.Jesus, you would think this was the end of the world here. It is such, such a silly thing to complain about, and your arguments are completely asinine. Don't like it, don't play it. End of story.And LOLLLLL at Iconoclasm.VandalvideoYou can lawl all you want and call my cause weak, but that doesm't serve to help your arguement at all. Bethesda did commit Iconoclasm to one of the most recognizable cultural phenomenon in gaming. That in and of itself is intellectually dishonest, and at the same time promising to provide a faithful sequel. They did this to themselves. The atmosphere and everything that previously defined the games are GONE, as illustrated by a number of different interviews conducted by Bethesda. They have illustrated a general lack of understanding about the franchise, and there is nothing left except the name. As far as you saying there is nothing stopping Interplay from making another Fallout game, it shows just how little you know. The poeple behind Fallout left Interplay a long time ago after they closed down Black Isle Studios. After a breif stint at Troika, many of the original development teams now reside at Obsidian. Even if Interplay wanted to, they couldn't create another Fallout.
Oh, well you better call Interplay and tell them to cancel that Fallout MMO they're making...
Oh, well you better Interplay tell them to cancel that Fallout MMO they're making...RuprechtMonkeyOh boy, yet another bastardization.
[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="RuprechtMonkey"][QUOTE="Wartzay"]"Fallout was a game on the order of Final Fantasy VII, in the number of diehard fans it created. You can bet your ass if Final Fantasy VII was being remade by Bungie as a shoddy FPS you'd see an uproar 10,000x the magnitude of when SE made a crappy action-FPS spin-off. And rightly so - they called this Fallout 3, it damn well better be Fallout 3, not 'Betheseda presents Oblivion II - Future Edition'"
Brilliantly put Subrosian!
Huff
Again, these analogies DO NOT WORK.
It would only work is Square did NOTHING with the FF franchise for a FULL DECADE.Went to the brink of banruptcy, and in order to save the company they took up Bungie's offer to sell the IP (thereby saving SE and preventing the IP from being forever in limbo,) then Bungie remade it in the mold of Halo. There would still be absolutely nothing stopping SE from making a FF type game without the name.
I really, honestly, think the people that complain so often about it just really need to get something more meaningful in their lives.
Once again, the business aspects of this have nothing to do with what happened to the game itself. Bethesda COULD have not propmised a faithful sequal. Bethesda COULD HAVE called it something other than fallout 3. Bethesda could have acknowledged that they were using the name for their own benefits only. Instead, Bethesda committed one of the most intellectually dishonest things you can do to a cultural phenomenon like Fallout, and that is to commit Iconoclasm.I'm glad you kept it all in perspective and didn't overstate it.:roll:
LOL!
I have also seen Vandal say that Bethesda changed the game with "malicious intent" towards Fallout fans.
Makes it hard to care what they say.
[QUOTE="RuprechtMonkey"]Oh, well you better Interplay tell them to cancel that Fallout MMO they're making...VandalvideoOh boy, yet another bastardization.
Hey, can we here in this forum look forward to you whining about it for the next three years endlessly while heralding it as the coming of the apocalypse? I have a feeling people won't care any more than they care right now.
Sounds like fun? Let's waste time! We'll continue with the current gameplan: You waste copious amounts of your time in an effort to waste a small slice of someone else's time.
Oh boy, yet another bastardization.[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="RuprechtMonkey"]Oh, well you better Interplay tell them to cancel that Fallout MMO they're making...RuprechtMonkey
Hey, can we here in this forum look forward to you whining about it for the next three years endlessly while heralding it as the coming of the apocalypse? I have a feeling people won't care any more than they care right now.
Sounds like fun? Let's waste time!
As long as there is a reason to bard it up, I will continue to do so.I have also seen Vandal say that Bethesda changed the game with "malicious intent" towards Fallout fans.Makes it hard to care what they say.
Coyo7e
Well, hey, didn't you hear?
Bethesda is the AntiChrist now.
[QUOTE="RuprechtMonkey"]Oh boy, yet another bastardization.[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="RuprechtMonkey"]Oh, well you better Interplay tell them to cancel that Fallout MMO they're making...Vandalvideo
Hey, can we here in this forum look forward to you whining about it for the next three years endlessly while heralding it as the coming of the apocalypse? I have a feeling people won't care any more than they care right now.
Sounds like fun? Let's waste time!
As long as there is a reason to bard it up, I will continue to do so.And why exactly are you wasting your time preaching against bethesda? It's not going to help anything at all. You're not going to change anyones mind,and you're definitely not going to change Bethesdas mind,so why are you doing this?
How about you actually go play some games seeing as you take it so seriously.
And why exactly are you wasting your time preaching against bethesda? It's not going to help anything at all. You're not going to change anyones mind,and you're definitely not going to change Bethesdas mind,so why are you doing this?How about you actually go play some games seeing as you take it so seriously. stepat201Its to stop people from claiming, "LAWL THIS IS THE GREATEST FALLOUT EVAR MADE" and to inform them what Bethesda has done to one of the most reputable names in the history of video games and the RPG genre. PS: I just played a game.
[QUOTE="odin2019"]I guess so..... Fallout 3 will be a completely different game than the past games. And another thing is that nobody is doing anything with the Fallout Franchise anyway and if someone happens to think they can do a better job with the franchise then they are more than entitled to buy the Fallout Franchise from Bethesda. However, I don't see that happening nor do I think someone would be willing to buy the Fallout Franchise from them to try to make a better game. It would cost a lot to buy the game from Bethesda after Fallout 3's success and it would be hard to make a better game. VandalvideoYou ever heard the term "let sleeping giants lie"? Theres a reason that we have that idiom. Its because of the cultural ramifications of resurrection cultural landmarks and commiting iconcoclasty on them. Its the most intellectually dishonest thing that someone can do to something, irregardless of the business aspects of the equation.No i've never heard that. Please do tell us the origins ...Its obvious what it means, but don't pass off some crap you found on google as something that holds together the fabric of society.
The tears of Fallout fans lubricate the humour on this forum.
Coyo7e
Yes, and they don't even realize it.
Now, if only there was some e-uprising by Halo fans agains that new RTS Halo game being developed... then all would be complete.
"Halo isn't an RTS! NOT SUPPOSED TO BE AN RTS! BLLLLAARGGGHH AAAAAHHHHHH CRAP AHHH!!! *tells everyone about it for 3 years*"
[QUOTE="stepat201"]And why exactly are you wasting your time preaching against bethesda? It's not going to help anything at all. You're not going to change anyones mind,and you're definitely not going to change Bethesdas mind,so why are you doing this?How about you actually go play some games seeing as you take it so seriously. VandalvideoIts to stop people from claiming, "LAWL THIS IS THE GREATEST FALLOUT EVAR MADE" and to inform them what Bethesda has done to one of the most reputable names in the history of video games and the RPG genre. PS: I just played a game.
Look,I agree that Bethesda has been pretty disrespectful of the Fallout name,but you must have learned by now that no one is going to stop saying that it's a great RPG because you tell them to.
You can't stop the industry from becoming more mainstream,it happens every year,and like I said,I'm fine with it,because I still enjoy the games,even more so than I did 10 years ago.
I will buy Fallout 3 and enjoy it. Sure,I'll recognize it's flaws,but I'm sure I'll still like it.
[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="RuprechtMonkey"]Oh boy, yet another bastardization.[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="RuprechtMonkey"]Oh, well you better Interplay tell them to cancel that Fallout MMO they're making...stepat201
Hey, can we here in this forum look forward to you whining about it for the next three years endlessly while heralding it as the coming of the apocalypse? I have a feeling people won't care any more than they care right now.
Sounds like fun? Let's waste time!
As long as there is a reason to bard it up, I will continue to do so.And why exactly are you wasting your time preaching against bethesda? It's not going to help anything at all. You're not going to change anyones mind,and you're definitely not going to change Bethesdas mind,so why are you doing this?
How about you actually go play some games seeing as you take it so seriously.
On some people, like me, their whining is only going to having the opposite effect. Though nobody would ever know it and it would not make a dent I am half tempted to to buy the ps3, PC and 360 versions of Fallout 3.
I will them bring them home and burn the old Fallout discs in the middle of satanic circle containing a pentagram and laugh maniacally into the night.
Satan will reward and give Fallout fans a blister on the mouse finger.
]No i've never heard that. Please do tell us the origins ...Its obvious what it means, but don't pass off some crap you found on google as something that holds together the fabric of society.HuffI was using it as a contextual disambiguation to prove a point; Fallout should be left alone.
I will them bring them home and burn the old Fallout discs in the middle of satanic circle containing a pentagram and laugh maniacally into the nightCoyo7eSo you support the wholesale destruction of cultural phenomenon for the sake of a few dollars? Talk about good ethics. What Bethesda has done is no better than Jon Fabre with his big blue pen. Sure his work is pretty, but its a slap in the face to the original artists.
[QUOTE="Coyo7e"]The tears of Fallout fans lubricate the humour on this forum.
RuprechtMonkey
Yes, and they don't even realize it.
Now, if only there was some e-uprising by Halo fans agains that new RTS Halo game being developed... then all would be complete.
"Halo isn't an RTS! NOT SUPPOSED TO BE AN RTS! BLLLLAARGGGHH AAAAAHHHHHH CRAP AHHH!!! *tells everyone about it for 3 years*"
Wait, there is going to be a Halo RTS? I am going to go start a petition right now! Then I will make the "Halo Wars reality" thread.
I love PC gaming to but I am not a hermit. But Fallout fans (being mainly hermits) are giving hermits a bad name. It has gotten to the point of being beyond absurd.
Just wait until the games come out. Everyone who likes it will be a casual sucker that is destroying gaming with our dumbed down console ports.
I will hype this game AAA, if not a 9.5. Glowing critical acclaim and big sales will make for fun SW threads I hope.
LIke the Oblivion complaints. "Axe and blunt on the same skill? THIS NOT A REAL RPG!!!"
Find a new cause, honestly - it's gone beyond silly to everyone but yourself and your small circle of similar minded nutcases. You've officially gone plaid. Usually, people just let you guys blather on and on because no one cares. Now, it's well beyond absurd.... just because you few yell the loudest and longest won't make it any less absurd or any more legitimate. RuprechtMonkeySo you cant rebuke my stance and you insult me? THe fact of the matter is that Bethesda has committed Iconoclasm on one of the largest names in video games in the name of money.
[QUOTE="Coyo7e"]I will them bring them home and burn the old Fallout discs in the middle of satanic circle containing a pentagram and laugh maniacally into the nightVandalvideoSo you support the wholesale destruction of cultural phenomenon for the sake of a few dollars? Talk about good ethics. What Bethesda has done is no better than Jon Fabre with his big blue pen. Sure his work is pretty, but its a slap in the face to the original artists.
Didn't you get the last Fallout Fan news letter? I am officially worse then Hitler.
[QUOTE="RuprechtMonkey"][QUOTE="Coyo7e"]The tears of Fallout fans lubricate the humour on this forum.
Coyo7e
Yes, and they don't even realize it.
Now, if only there was some e-uprising by Halo fans agains that new RTS Halo game being developed... then all would be complete.
"Halo isn't an RTS! NOT SUPPOSED TO BE AN RTS! BLLLLAARGGGHH AAAAAHHHHHH CRAP AHHH!!! *tells everyone about it for 3 years*"
Wait, there is going to be a Halo RTS? I am going to go start a petition right now! Then I will make the "Halo Wars reality" thread.
I love PC gaming to but I am not a hermit. But Fallout fans (being mainly hermits) are giving hermits a bad name. It has gotten to the point of being beyond absurd.
Just wait until the games come out. Everyone who likes it will be a casual sucker that is destroying gaming with our dumbed down console ports.
I will hype this game AAA, if not a 9.5. Glowing critical acclaim and big sales will make for fun SW threads I hope.
LIke the Oblivion complaints. "Axe and blunt on the same skill? THIS NOT A REAL RPG!!!"
I've already cut my finger open, tonight I sign your petition in blood! If it's online I'll just smear some on the screen over it after I sign my name digitially.
I also plan to look up who is developing this cultural abortion of a video game and harass them and everyone else involved via email.
I'm also going to rail on and on about it in System Wars, where everyone is sure to care. Here me now System Wars, Master Chief can not be strategized in real time! You cannot tame the wild tiger!
[QUOTE="RuprechtMonkey"]Find a new cause, honestly - it's gone beyond silly to everyone but yourself and your small circle of similar minded nutcases. You've officially gone plaid. Usually, people just let you guys blather on and on because no one cares. Now, it's well beyond absurd.... just because you few yell the loudest and longest won't make it any less absurd or any more legitimate. VandalvideoSo you cant rebuke my stance and you insult me? THe fact of the matter is that Bethesda has committed Iconoclasm on one of the largest names in video games in the name of money.
How can I rebuke a nonsensical argument? I say something sensible, and you say something ludicrous.
It continues on for a few posts and eventually you say "YOU HAVE NO ANSWER FOR ANYTHING I'M SAYING, DEATH TO YOU AND BETHESDA! ICONOCLASM! BETHESDA! ICONOCLASM!"
How can I rebuke a nonsensical argument? I say something sensible, and you say something ludicrous. RuprechtMonkeyNonsensical? My arguement is completely based in fact. Bethesda has taken a franchise and performed Iconoclasm on it for money. They've completely removed everything that defines the name Fallout and created their own game in an attempt to garner sales. At the same time, they've constantly told fans that they were going to remainf aithful, but have demonstrated a general lack of understanding for the franchise.
[QUOTE="RuprechtMonkey"]Find a new cause, honestly - it's gone beyond silly to everyone but yourself and your small circle of similar minded nutcases. You've officially gone plaid. Usually, people just let you guys blather on and on because no one cares. Now, it's well beyond absurd.... just because you few yell the loudest and longest won't make it any less absurd or any more legitimate. VandalvideoSo you cant rebuke my stance and you insult me? THe fact of the matter is that Bethesda has committed Iconoclasm on one of the largest names in video games in the name of money.You know they do own it. If it were that important you should have purchased it while it wasn't used for about a decade. Or if it were that culturally relevant, maybe it wouldn't have been ingnored for that long. Maybe your grandstanding, pontificating, and sobbing are much ado about nothing.
[QUOTE="RuprechtMonkey"]How can I rebuke a nonsensical argument? I say something sensible, and you say something ludicrous. VandalvideoNonsensical? My arguement is completely based in fact. Bethesda has taken a franchise and performed Iconoclasm on it for money.
Well then we better get right on down there and perform a body slam on Bethesda for fun!
[QUOTE="RuprechtMonkey"]How can I rebuke a nonsensical argument? I say something sensible, and you say something ludicrous. VandalvideoNonsensical? My arguement is completely based in fact. Bethesda has taken a franchise and performed Iconoclasm on it for money. They've completely removed everything that defines the name Fallout and created their own game in an attempt to garner sales. At the same time, they've constantly told fans that they were going to remainf aithful, but have demonstrated a general lack of understanding for the franchise.
You do not debate at all, Vandal. I have gone through this with you before and it only gets to a point where you think you are soooooooooo right that it just goes over our heads. Time and time again you declare yourself the victor based on nothing.
It is obvious to me you are a very bright person but you have zero respect for anyone else and every time they disagree you dish out back handed insults and basically call them ignorant or stupid, or both. Do you really expect us to treat you with respect?
You know they do own it. If it were that important you should have purchased it while it wasn't used for about a decade. Or if it were that culturally relevant, maybe it wouldn't have been ingnored for that long. Maybe your grandstanding, pontificating, and sobbing are much ado about nothing.HuffIt doesn't matter if they own it or not. What they've done is a fact that cannot be changed. They've led on the consumer with empty promises and performed Iconoclasm on a franchise with cultural heritage.
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