Fallout 3 hype game [56k warning throughout]

Yes, and since Fallout 3 is changing the basic rules of the setting (and thus changing the setting), and changing the tone and theme of the series to balls-to-the-wall action, I'm asking why are you supporting Fallout 3?

mjarantilla

[QUOTE="mjarantilla"]

Yes, and since Fallout 3 is changing the basic rules of the setting (and thus changing the setting), and changing the tone and theme of the series to balls-to-the-wall action, I'm asking why are you supporting Fallout 3?

Verge_6

*sigh* The setting is still post-apocalyptic America, the tone with its dark-humor seems to be intact, and the theme of doing what you can to survive is as well. Again, why are you people so agaisnt other people wanting to like this?

[QUOTE="HarlockJC"]I know nothing about Fallout. What type of game is it? FPS, Action, RPG?HummaKavula

Fallout 1 and 2 are RPG's, Fallout 3 is a FPS.

[QUOTE="Verge_6"][QUOTE="mjarantilla"]

Yes, and since Fallout 3 is changing the basic rules of the setting (and thus changing the setting), and changing the tone and theme of the series to balls-to-the-wall action, I'm asking why are you supporting Fallout 3?

Shafftehr

*sigh* The setting is still post-apocalyptic America, the tone with its dark-humor seems to be intact, and the theme of doing what you can to survive is as well. Again, why are you people so agaisnt other people wanting to like this?

No, what you spent pages arguing with me about was you b****ing about a dumb analogy. When I tried to push the argument BACK to Fallout 3, you just avoided every question I had and kept on getting back to the dumb analogy.

[QUOTE="mjarantilla"]

Yes, and since Fallout 3 is changing the basic rules of the setting (and thus changing the setting), and changing the tone and theme of the series to balls-to-the-wall action, I'm asking why are you supporting Fallout 3?

Verge_6

*sigh* The setting is still post-apocalyptic America, the tone with its dark-humor seems to be intact, and the theme of doing what you can to survive is as well. Again, why are you people so agaisnt other people wanting to like this?

Can you say "broad strokes"?

You can't think of any other game that has a post-apocalyptic setting, with dark humor and a survival theme?

[QUOTE="Shafftehr"][QUOTE="Verge_6"][QUOTE="mjarantilla"]

Yes, and since Fallout 3 is changing the basic rules of the setting (and thus changing the setting), and changing the tone and theme of the series to balls-to-the-wall action, I'm asking why are you supporting Fallout 3?

mjarantilla

*sigh* The setting is still post-apocalyptic America, the tone with its dark-humor seems to be intact, and the theme of doing what you can to survive is as well. Again, why are you people so agaisnt other people wanting to like this?

No, what we had an argument about was about you b****ing about a dumb analogy. When I tried to push the argument BACK to Fallout 3, you just avoided every question I had and kept on getting back to the dumb analogy.

Round Two *Ding* *Ding* *Ding*

[QUOTE="Verge_6"][QUOTE="mjarantilla"]

Yes, and since Fallout 3 is changing the basic rules of the setting (and thus changing the setting), and changing the tone and theme of the series to balls-to-the-wall action, I'm asking why are you supporting Fallout 3?

mjarantilla

*sigh* The setting is still post-apocalyptic America, the tone with its dark-humor seems to be intact, and the theme of doing what you can to survive is as well. Again, why are you people so agaisnt other people wanting to like this?

Can you say "broad strokes"?

You can't think of any other game that has a post-apocalyptic setting, with dark humor and a survival theme?

Name me three such games that have these things.

So far, Fallout is the only game I have played that has all those features, and other personal ones that I like, and that's what made Fallout an enjoyable game for me.

I am not demanding that all Fallout fans should be looking at this game with an open mind. If you don't want to anticipate it, fine, it's your decision. But for Christ's sakes, show some of that consideration to the people who ARE anticipating it and stop jamming your views down your throats. All you're doing is making the Fallout fanbase look like a bunch of elitist jerks.Verge_6

We look like elitist jerks for wanting the next game in the series to actually resemble the previous games in the series in more ways than just sharing the same genre?

[QUOTE="RobbieH1234"]That was me. :oops: I'm writing a proper article at the moment because the above was a bit rushed.JLF1

Yes but unexploded bombs don't have craters.

[QUOTE="Verge_6"]I am not demanding that all Fallout fans should be looking at this game with an open mind. If you don't want to anticipate it, fine, it's your decision. But for Christ's sakes, show some of that consideration to the people who ARE anticipating it and stop jamming your views down your throats. All you're doing is making the Fallout fanbase look like a bunch of elitist jerks.mjarantilla

We look like elitist jerks for wanting the next game in the series to actually resemble the previous games in the series in more ways than just sharing the same genre?

No, you're coming of as elitist jerks for doing the things you are currently doing in this thread. How many times do I have to say this? I am anticipating Fallout 3 because it seems to have the things that I loved the other two Fallouts for. It's not a goddamn crime. If you want, I could strap some C4 to my chest and take out Bethesda studios. Would that show my true loyalty to the Fallout series?

[QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="Verge_6"][QUOTE="mjarantilla"]

Yes, and since Fallout 3 is changing the basic rules of the setting (and thus changing the setting), and changing the tone and theme of the series to balls-to-the-wall action, I'm asking why are you supporting Fallout 3?

Verge_6

*sigh* The setting is still post-apocalyptic America, the tone with its dark-humor seems to be intact, and the theme of doing what you can to survive is as well. Again, why are you people so agaisnt other people wanting to like this?

Can you say "broad strokes"?

You can't think of any other game that has a post-apocalyptic setting, with dark humor and a survival theme?

Name me three such games that have these things.

I'm asking you.

See, I don't play those kinds of games very often. I don't look for them based on those qualities. But YOU specified that those qualities were what separated Fallout from other games. So it stands to reason that you have a taste for games with those qualities. I'm asking, have you never found any others? Have you never even tried?

What I'm questioning is whether those actually are the qualities you like in Fallout, or if there are more specific reasons. I'm not putting words in your mouth; you can say whatever you want. But when someone gets attached to a particular piece of creativity, it's usually for more than just three very general, very vague qualities.

[QUOTE="Verge_6"][QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="Verge_6"][QUOTE="mjarantilla"]

Yes, and since Fallout 3 is changing the basic rules of the setting (and thus changing the setting), and changing the tone and theme of the series to balls-to-the-wall action, I'm asking why are you supporting Fallout 3?

mjarantilla

*sigh* The setting is still post-apocalyptic America, the tone with its dark-humor seems to be intact, and the theme of doing what you can to survive is as well. Again, why are you people so agaisnt other people wanting to like this?

Can you say "broad strokes"?

You can't think of any other game that has a post-apocalyptic setting, with dark humor and a survival theme?

Name me three such games that have these things.

I'm asking you.

See, I don't play those kinds of games very often. I don't look for them based on those qualities. But YOU specified that those qualities were what separated Fallout from other games. So it stands to reason that you have a taste for games with those qualities. I'm asking, have you never found any others? Have you never even tried?

What I'm questioning is whether those actually are the qualities you like in Fallout, or if there are more specific reasons. I'm not putting words in your mouth; you can say whatever you want. But when someone gets attached to a particular piece of creativity, it's usually for more than just three very general, very vague qualities.

I specified that those qualities were what separated Fallout from other games for me. That may, no, that WILL not be the case for other people. What I loved about the series is very personal and heart-felt, and isn't defined by mere gameplay mechanics.

[QUOTE="mjarantilla"]

[QUOTE="Verge_6"]I am not demanding that all Fallout fans should be looking at this game with an open mind. If you don't want to anticipate it, fine, it's your decision. But for Christ's sakes, show some of that consideration to the people who ARE anticipating it and stop jamming your views down your throats. All you're doing is making the Fallout fanbase look like a bunch of elitist jerks.Verge_6

We look like elitist jerks for wanting the next game in the series to actually resemble the previous games in the series in more ways than just sharing the same genre?

No, you're coming of as elitist jerks for doing the things you are currently doing in this thread. How many times do I have to say this? I am anticipating Fallout 3 because it seems to have the things that I loved the other two Fallouts for. If you want, I could strap some C4 to my chest and take out Bethesda studios. Would that show my true loyalty to the Fallout series?

And all I'm asking is for you to specify what you loved in the other two Fallouts. Key word: specify. As in, provide specifics. You're giving me a genre description when you say "post-apocalyptic game with dark humor and a survival theme."

"Science fiction game with epic story and survival theme."

"Horror game with supernatural enemies and survival theme."

"Action game with military setting and survival theme."

I just described Mass Effect, Silent Hill, and Call of Duty 4. Yet do you think people love those games solely for those reasons?

[QUOTE="JLF1"][QUOTE="RobbieH1234"]That was me. :oops: I'm writing a proper article at the moment because the above was a bit rushed.Baranga

Yes but unexploded bombs don't have craters.

[QUOTE="Verge_6"][QUOTE="mjarantilla"]

[QUOTE="Verge_6"]I am not demanding that all Fallout fans should be looking at this game with an open mind. If you don't want to anticipate it, fine, it's your decision. But for Christ's sakes, show some of that consideration to the people who ARE anticipating it and stop jamming your views down your throats. All you're doing is making the Fallout fanbase look like a bunch of elitist jerks.mjarantilla

We look like elitist jerks for wanting the next game in the series to actually resemble the previous games in the series in more ways than just sharing the same genre?

No, you're coming of as elitist jerks for doing the things you are currently doing in this thread. How many times do I have to say this? I am anticipating Fallout 3 because it seems to have the things that I loved the other two Fallouts for. If you want, I could strap some C4 to my chest and take out Bethesda studios. Would that show my true loyalty to the Fallout series?

And all I'm asking is for you to specify what you loved in the other two Fallouts. Key word: specify. As in, provide specifics. You're giving me a genre description when you say "post-apocalyptic game with dark humor and a survival theme."

"Science fiction game with epic story and survival theme."

"Horror game with supernatural enemies and survival theme."

"Action game with military setting and survival theme."

I just described Mass Effect, Silent Hill, and Call of Duty 4. Yet do you think people love those games solely for those reasons?

See post above.

[QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="Verge_6"][QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="Verge_6"][QUOTE="mjarantilla"]

Yes, and since Fallout 3 is changing the basic rules of the setting (and thus changing the setting), and changing the tone and theme of the series to balls-to-the-wall action, I'm asking why are you supporting Fallout 3?

Verge_6

*sigh* The setting is still post-apocalyptic America, the tone with its dark-humor seems to be intact, and the theme of doing what you can to survive is as well. Again, why are you people so agaisnt other people wanting to like this?

Can you say "broad strokes"?

You can't think of any other game that has a post-apocalyptic setting, with dark humor and a survival theme?

Name me three such games that have these things.

I'm asking you.

See, I don't play those kinds of games very often. I don't look for them based on those qualities. But YOU specified that those qualities were what separated Fallout from other games. So it stands to reason that you have a taste for games with those qualities. I'm asking, have you never found any others? Have you never even tried?

What I'm questioning is whether those actually are the qualities you like in Fallout, or if there are more specific reasons. I'm not putting words in your mouth; you can say whatever you want. But when someone gets attached to a particular piece of creativity, it's usually for more than just three very general, very vague qualities.

I specified that those qualities were what separated Fallout from other games for me. That may, no, that WILL not be the case for other people. What I loved about the series is very personal and heart-felt, and isn't defined by mere gameplay mechanics.

I didn't say it was defined by gameplay mechanics. I'm just asking for SPECIFICS. What is it about Fallout's post-apocalyptic setting that sets it apart from other post-apocalyptic games? What is it about Fallout's dark humor that sets it apart from other darkly humorous games? And what is it about Fallout's survival theme that sets it apart from other survival games?

If it really is personal and heartfelt, then be specific about it, since you know what you like about them so much.

[QUOTE="Baranga"]

[QUOTE="JLF1"][QUOTE="RobbieH1234"]That was me. :oops: I'm writing a proper article at the moment because the above was a bit rushed.JLF1

Yes but unexploded bombs don't have craters.

It's a symptom of a greater infection of incompetence on Bethesda's part.

[QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="Verge_6"][QUOTE="mjarantilla"]

[QUOTE="Verge_6"]I am not demanding that all Fallout fans should be looking at this game with an open mind. If you don't want to anticipate it, fine, it's your decision. But for Christ's sakes, show some of that consideration to the people who ARE anticipating it and stop jamming your views down your throats. All you're doing is making the Fallout fanbase look like a bunch of elitist jerks.Verge_6

We look like elitist jerks for wanting the next game in the series to actually resemble the previous games in the series in more ways than just sharing the same genre?

No, you're coming of as elitist jerks for doing the things you are currently doing in this thread. How many times do I have to say this? I am anticipating Fallout 3 because it seems to have the things that I loved the other two Fallouts for. If you want, I could strap some C4 to my chest and take out Bethesda studios. Would that show my true loyalty to the Fallout series?

And all I'm asking is for you to specify what you loved in the other two Fallouts. Key word: specify. As in, provide specifics. You're giving me a genre description when you say "post-apocalyptic game with dark humor and a survival theme."

"Science fiction game with epic story and survival theme."

"Horror game with supernatural enemies and survival theme."

"Action game with military setting and survival theme."

I just described Mass Effect, Silent Hill, and Call of Duty 4. Yet do you think people love those games solely for those reasons?

See post above.

I did. It didn't give any answer, either.

I didn't say it was defined by gameplay mechanics. I'm just asking for SPECIFICS. What is it about Fallout's post-apocalyptic setting that sets it apart from other post-apocalyptic games? What is it about Fallout's dark humor that sets it apart from other darkly humorous games? And what is it about Fallout's survival theme that sets it apart from other survival games?

If it really is personal and heartfelt, then be specific about it, since you know what you like about them so much.

mjarantilla

The fact it has ALL three of those combined? I liked the tone, the atmosphere, and the overall 'feel' of the game. Those thigns seem to be present in Fallout 3. If that isn't a sifficient explanation for you, then I'm sorry. That's the best way i can put it.

It's a symptom of a greater infection of incompetence on Bethesda's part.

mjarantilla

I did. It didn't give any answer, either.

mjarantilla

I'm thinking that's because you're not really looking for answers and just want me to say "You know what, you're right. Fallout 3 is a travesty to anything and everything the prior two Fallouts stood for. We should go and shoot all of the Bethesda team behind it in the head."

[QUOTE="mjarantilla"]I didn't say it was defined by gameplay mechanics. I'm just asking for SPECIFICS. What is it about Fallout's post-apocalyptic setting that sets it apart from other post-apocalyptic games? What is it about Fallout's dark humor that sets it apart from other darkly humorous games? And what is it about Fallout's survival theme that sets it apart from other survival games?

If it really is personal and heartfelt, then be specific about it, since you know what you like about them so much.Verge_6

And if Fallout 3 loses out on one of those? Or if it changes one of those into a different variant with the same name ("survival" has a very, very fluid definition as a theme)?

Round Two *Ding* *Ding* *Ding*

Philmon

[QUOTE="mjarantilla"]

I did. It didn't give any answer, either.

Verge_6

I'm thinking that's because you're not really looking for answers and just want me to say "You know what, you're right. Fallout 3 is a travesty to anything and everything the prior two Fallouts stood for. We should go and shoot all of the Bethesda team behind it in the head."

No, that comes later. I wanted you to tell me what you liked about Fallout, and then I want you to tell me how Fallout 3 preserves what you liked about Fallout.

[QUOTE="Verge_6"][QUOTE="mjarantilla"]I didn't say it was defined by gameplay mechanics. I'm just asking for SPECIFICS. What is it about Fallout's post-apocalyptic setting that sets it apart from other post-apocalyptic games? What is it about Fallout's dark humor that sets it apart from other darkly humorous games? And what is it about Fallout's survival theme that sets it apart from other survival games?

If it really is personal and heartfelt, then be specific about it, since you know what you like about them so much.mjarantilla

And if Fallout 3 loses out on one of those? Or if it changes one of those into a different variant with the same name ("survival" has a very, very fluid definition as a theme)?

Then I'll join you legions of loathers and help plot how we'll send letters laced with anthrax to the dev team.

[QUOTE="Philmon"]

Round Two *Ding* *Ding* *Ding*

Shafftehr

You'd never go back into a fight with me, because I would actually want to talk about the game this, not some stupid tangent.

[QUOTE="Verge_6"][QUOTE="mjarantilla"]

I did. It didn't give any answer, either.

mjarantilla

I'm thinking that's because you're not really looking for answers and just want me to say "You know what, you're right. Fallout 3 is a travesty to anything and everything the prior two Fallouts stood for. We should go and shoot all of the Bethesda team behind it in the head."

No, that comes later. I wanted you to tell me what you liked about Fallout, and then I want you to tell me how Fallout 3 preserves what you liked about Fallout.

I already have. Multiple times, in fact.

[QUOTE="mjarantilla"]

It's a symptom of a greater infection of incompetence on Bethesda's part.

JLF1

I've read every interview, first impression and preview available because I want to know everything I possibly can about the game; what they're getting right (atmosphere, exploration, the Vault) and what they're getting wrong (everything else).

[QUOTE="mjarantilla"]

It's a symptom of a greater infection of incompetence on Bethesda's part.

JLF1

I hate Bethesda, and my hate for this game stems primarily from that. Bethesda strikes me as a shovelware developer. They have no direction of their own, no overarching design philosophy, and no target audience of their own. They have shown that they are willing to screw a pre-existing fanbase for a game if they can garner greater profits (e.g. Daggerfall to Morrowind, Morrowind to Oblivion, Fallout to Fallout 3, etc.). I don't respect that kind of approach to game design, and if I don't respect a developer, then I can't like their games.

[QUOTE="Shafftehr"][QUOTE="Philmon"]

Round Two *Ding* *Ding* *Ding*

mjarantilla

You'd never go back into a fight with me, because I would actually want to talk about the game this, not some stupid tangent.

[QUOTE="JLF1"][QUOTE="mjarantilla"]

It's a symptom of a greater infection of incompetence on Bethesda's part.

RobbieH1234

I've read every interview, first impression and preview available because I want to know everything I possibly can about the game; what they're getting right (atmosphere, exploration, the Vault) and what they're getting wrong (everything else).

_

[QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="Verge_6"][QUOTE="mjarantilla"]

I did. It didn't give any answer, either.

Verge_6

I'm thinking that's because you're not really looking for answers and just want me to say "You know what, you're right. Fallout 3 is a travesty to anything and everything the prior two Fallouts stood for. We should go and shoot all of the Bethesda team behind it in the head."

No, that comes later. I wanted you to tell me what you liked about Fallout, and then I want you to tell me how Fallout 3 preserves what you liked about Fallout.

I already have. Multiple times, in fact.

No, all you've said is that "Fallout 3 has a post-apocalyptic setting, dark humor, and survival theme." But I think you'll agree with me that those three qualities are just general descriptions of very, very broad themes.

How does Fallout 3 preserve those same themes as they existed in Fallout and Fallout 2?

Others have already shown some pretty bad contradictions of logic between Fallout 3 and the previous games, especially in the depiction of the setting.

"More drama plz"

Baranga

SO saved.

[QUOTE="Verge_6"][QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="Verge_6"][QUOTE="mjarantilla"]

I did. It didn't give any answer, either.

mjarantilla

I'm thinking that's because you're not really looking for answers and just want me to say "You know what, you're right. Fallout 3 is a travesty to anything and everything the prior two Fallouts stood for. We should go and shoot all of the Bethesda team behind it in the head."

No, that comes later. I wanted you to tell me what you liked about Fallout, and then I want you to tell me how Fallout 3 preserves what you liked about Fallout.

I already have. Multiple times, in fact.

No, all you've said is that "Fallout 3 has a post-apocalyptic setting, dark humor, and survival theme." But I think you'll agree with me that those three qualities are just general descriptions of very, very broad themes.

How does Fallout 3 preserve those same themes as they existed in Fallout and Fallout 2?

Others have already shown some pretty bad contradictions of logic between Fallout 3 and the previous games, especially in the depiction of the setting.

I don't know if they do. It just seems that they may still be in there. Hence, why I am eager to see how it turns out.

[QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="Shafftehr"][QUOTE="Philmon"]

Round Two *Ding* *Ding* *Ding*

Shafftehr

You'd never go back into a fight with me, because I would actually want to talk about the game this, not some stupid tangent.

NO discussion is objective, and there's no merit in even having a discussion if there's no disagreement or bias.

YOU are asking for everyone to hold hands and sing "Kumbaya."

I'M asking everyone to clearly identify the qualities that they like or don't like, and to talk about them.

YOU are asking people to follow a brand name (the "Fallout" brand name).

I'M asking people to follow a game design that extends deeper than just the brand name.

I don't know if they do. It just seems that they may still be in there. Hence, why I am eager to see how it turns out.

Verge_6

[QUOTE="Verge_6"]

I don't know if they do. It just seems that they may still be in there. Hence, why I am eager to see how it turns out.

RobbieH1234

We'll see when we play it.

[QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="Verge_6"][QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="Verge_6"][QUOTE="mjarantilla"]

I did. It didn't give any answer, either.

Verge_6

I'm thinking that's because you're not really looking for answers and just want me to say "You know what, you're right. Fallout 3 is a travesty to anything and everything the prior two Fallouts stood for. We should go and shoot all of the Bethesda team behind it in the head."

No, that comes later. I wanted you to tell me what you liked about Fallout, and then I want you to tell me how Fallout 3 preserves what you liked about Fallout.

I already have. Multiple times, in fact.

No, all you've said is that "Fallout 3 has a post-apocalyptic setting, dark humor, and survival theme." But I think you'll agree with me that those three qualities are just general descriptions of very, very broad themes.

How does Fallout 3 preserve those same themes as they existed in Fallout and Fallout 2?

Others have already shown some pretty bad contradictions of logic between Fallout 3 and the previous games, especially in the depiction of the setting.

I don't know if they do. It just seems that they may still be in there. Hence, why I am eager to see how it turns out.

Cautiously optimistic, then?

I can accept that. At least, it doesn't seem like you're one of the shallow fanboys who are saying, "It's a Fallout game! If Bethesda didn't make it, no one would ever have made another Fallout game!"

NO discussion is objective, and there's no merit in even having a discussion if there's no disagreement or bias.

YOU are asking for everyone to hold hands and sing "Kumbaya."

I'M asking everyone to clearly identify the qualities that they like or don't like, and to talk about them.

YOU are asking people to follow a brand name (the "Fallout" brand name).

I'M asking people to follow a game design that extends deeper than just the brand name.

mjarantilla

[QUOTE="Miss_Wacy"]is it true this game has turnbased fights in it?RobbieH1234

actually turnbased fighting is an option.

Cautiously optimistic, then?

I can accept that. At least, it doesn't seem like you're one of the shallow fanboys who are saying, "It's a Fallout game! If Bethesda didn't make it, no one would ever have made another Fallout game!"

mjarantilla

I'd say I'm above the 'cautiously optimistic' level, but I am below the '100% guaranteed to be n awesome game'.

[QUOTE="RobbieH1234"][QUOTE="Miss_Wacy"]is it true this game has turnbased fights in it?jlh47

actually turnbased fighting is an option.

[QUOTE="RobbieH1234"][QUOTE="JLF1"][QUOTE="mjarantilla"]

It's a symptom of a greater infection of incompetence on Bethesda's part.

JLF1

I've read every interview, first impression and preview available because I want to know everything I possibly can about the game; what they're getting right (atmosphere, exploration, the Vault) and what they're getting wrong (everything else).

I'd say they're curious about it. The only Fallout fans who are actually excited for this game seem to be folks who only want to see the Fallout name on a box again, and don't care about the actual gameplay (e.g. Shafftehr, who, as I said in another thread, would probably buy Planescape Torment 2 even if it had spaceships and laser guns and battlemechs).

[QUOTE="mjarantilla"]

NO discussion is objective, and there's no merit in even having a discussion if there's no disagreement or bias.

YOU are asking for everyone to hold hands and sing "Kumbaya."

I'M asking everyone to clearly identify the qualities that they like or don't like, and to talk about them.

YOU are asking people to follow a brand name (the "Fallout" brand name).

I'M asking people to follow a game design that extends deeper than just the brand name.

Shafftehr

Oh please.

You pretty much up and said, "I'd rather have a new Fallout game made than none at all." That pretty much says that all you care about is the brand name.

Why don't you go petition Michael Bay to direct Godfather 4?

(Or maybe it was the other guy I was arguing with..... I remember that you were curiously fixated on my Star Wars analogy, and wouldn't talk about Fallout 3 except to attack my analogy.)

Oh please.

You pretty much up and said, "I'd rather have a new Fallout game made than none at all." That pretty much says that all you care about is the brand name.

Why don't you go petition Michael Bay to direct Godfather 4?

(Or maybe it was the other guy I was arguing with..... I remember that you were curiously fixated on my Star Wars analogy, and wouldn't talk about Fallout 3 except to attack my analogy.)

mjarantilla

I'm gonna try to cool things down here before someone actually *does* letter-bomb Bethesda.

The problem the haters have is that (as I said much earlier in the thread), Fallout 3 comes across as Bethesda ****ing in our toasters and calling it a pop-tart. They say they're going to make a game that is true to the franchise, only they're changing 90% of the content. They talk about how they "get" Fallout much like how you would expect John McCain to talk if he were trying to convince you he "gets" youth culture.

For example one of the greatest features (if not the greatest) in Fallout was that you were in total control of your character to the point where you could complete the entire game without ever killing an enemy (IIRC). So Bethesda say their standard "we're going to make Fallout 3 the best Fallout game ever!" and then proceed to tell us there are areas where you will be forced into combat. For some fans of the Fallout games that's like Bethesda saying they're going to fix your headache by beating you with a blunt object.

On the other hand the reason the "likers" are excited for Fallout 3 is that it has the potential to be a great game. They're excited to see the franchise back in action and they're giving Bethesda the benefit of the doubt. Just because Fallout 3 is going to be different doesn't mean it will necessarily be bad.

For example I generally hate turn-based games. When they're implemented well they're acceptable but most of the time it seems like developers are too worried about "tradition" to bother to make an innovative game. I'd rather have a company take a risk and fail in the name of innovation than sit back and crank out sequel after sequel. That's why I'm such a big fan of Bioware, I'd rather they try a game like Jade Empire and "fail" than just make Baldur's Gate sequels. The same line of thinking can be applied to Fallout -- sure a "true" sequel would be nice, but that doesn't mean the franchise can't be improved.

[QUOTE="RobbieH1234"]That was me. :oops: I'm writing a proper article at the moment because the above was a bit rushed.JLF1

We love Roleplaying Games like Halo fans love shooters. Fallout is considered to be one of the best roleplaying games of the past decade. It is being dumbed down and salvaged. Whatever enjoyment I get out of Fallout 3, I know it is going to hurt me to play it.

My favorite genre is dead. I feel like less of a gamer.

edit: Except The Witcher which is the best roleplaying focused RPG so far this decade. Looking forward to future CD Projekt Red games with much greater anticipation than this zombie.

edit 2: Talking about shooters, I miss the old Build engine games Shadow Warrior, Blood, Duke Nukem 3D. They where about being creative and not about making the genre more casual. Halo dumbed the genre down a bit imo...