[QUOTE="ermacness"][QUOTE="killerfist"] Exactly! thank you. lolcuddlesofwarThe ps3 didn't make a comeback in a sense of being a ps2 this gen and it can't, but the ps3 is alot more comparable to the 360 now that it was in 07. In that sense, it did make a comeback No. It didn't. It's always been second place to the Xbox. the lead the Xbox has has only increased (slightly) how is that a come back? Second place to the 360? The 360 is in 2nd... the Wii does, in fact, exist.
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[QUOTE="Javy03"]The PS3 has been 399 since the holiday season of 07. Its sales have spiked higher and remained higher since then for most of 08 until the 360 dipped to the Wii price level. So no, the PS3 did not have a price drop in 08, it had it in 07. Bringing up the 9% dip in ONE quarter while all the other quarters and the whole year has seen substantial growth seems selective. Especially ignoring the economic situation all economies are in. Obviously the most expensive console will suffer the most. I have no clue how this gen will end but from what the trend has shown is that the PS3 is in higher demand then the 360 when the price gap is much closer. I will be interested to see what will happen when the PS3 inevitably drops its price closer to the 360. Will the 360 drop its price to lower then the PS2's price? WIll that help it or it?blue_hazy_basicI'm sorry I thought the PS3 got a price cut in March? As for Q3, do you think sales in Q4 will be more like the last quarter or the one of a year ago? Wouldn't it be fair to say the most recent figures are likely to represent sales patterns until the PS3 sees a price cut? Not really, the holiday seasons sales can only be compared to another years holiday's seasons sales. Q4 will show a dramatic DROP FOR ALL consoles. Not to mention attitudes toward the economy will change and people will feel more comfortable with spending as well as prices dropping. So no, I don't see the 9% Q3 as relevent for the future as you may. Heck look at 07 and 08. You can gather up all the quarters for 07 and that wouldnt have let you know how 08 was gonna be. You make statistics seem like an easy game. Why do you think analysts are wrong so much of the time.
Its also the best way to see current trends.
As I said before the PS3 was 399 with the 40GB model in 07. It did not have a price drop in 08. As for that the PS3 outsold the 360 for most of the year at a much more expensive price even after the price drop. The 360 was cheaper and is now at the price of the Wii. I am not dismissing any price drop. I am just explaining why one systems sales did better then the other. As for one Quarter determining the "current trend". Its far from that. The holiday season is the holiday season and can't be compared to any other quarter then that quarter. Come January ALL console sales will drop dramatically. You seem to discuss the 9% dip yet not acknowledge the economic situation. This will not last forever and with a more capable leader in charge in the U.S. the country will slowly regain faith in the economy as it slowly gets better. Like I said overall the PS3 was in higher demand in 08 then it was in 07 for the whole year, thats the trend.You're talking about different SKU's and price cuts ... :P Why does it make a difference. It still doesnt make you right? If I wanted to buy a PS3 for 399 in 07 I could have just like in 08. The only difference was the 80GB harddrive and that doesnt make a difference. For the longest the 40GB PS3 was probably the best selling PS3 before it was phased out. EIther way the pricing during the holiday season for 07 was 399 and 499. Just like it is now at the beginning of 09.
[QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"][QUOTE="Javy03"] As I said before the PS3 was 399 with the 40GB model in 07. It did not have a price drop in 08. As for that the PS3 outsold the 360 for most of the year at a much more expensive price even after the price drop. The 360 was cheaper and is now at the price of the Wii. I am not dismissing any price drop. I am just explaining why one systems sales did better then the other. As for one Quarter determining the "current trend". Its far from that. The holiday season is the holiday season and can't be compared to any other quarter then that quarter. Come January ALL console sales will drop dramatically. You seem to discuss the 9% dip yet not acknowledge the economic situation. This will not last forever and with a more capable leader in charge in the U.S. the country will slowly regain faith in the economy as it slowly gets better. Like I said overall the PS3 was in higher demand in 08 then it was in 07 for the whole year, thats the trend.Javy03You're talking about different SKU's and price cuts ... :P Why does it make a difference. It still doesnt make you right? If I wanted to buy a PS3 for 399 in 07 I could have just like in 08. The only difference was the 80GB harddrive and that doesnt make a difference. For the longest the 40GB PS3 was probably the best selling PS3 before it was phased out. EIther way the pricing during the holiday season for 07 was 399 and 499. Just like it is now at the beginning of 09.*sigh* i give up you win. The 360 premium or elite doesn't count as having a price either becuase I could buy a cheaper 360 before that too! :roll:
[QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"][QUOTE="Javy03"] As I said before the PS3 was 399 with the 40GB model in 07. It did not have a price drop in 08. As for that the PS3 outsold the 360 for most of the year at a much more expensive price even after the price drop. The 360 was cheaper and is now at the price of the Wii. I am not dismissing any price drop. I am just explaining why one systems sales did better then the other. As for one Quarter determining the "current trend". Its far from that. The holiday season is the holiday season and can't be compared to any other quarter then that quarter. Come January ALL console sales will drop dramatically. You seem to discuss the 9% dip yet not acknowledge the economic situation. This will not last forever and with a more capable leader in charge in the U.S. the country will slowly regain faith in the economy as it slowly gets better. Like I said overall the PS3 was in higher demand in 08 then it was in 07 for the whole year, thats the trend.Javy03You're talking about different SKU's and price cuts ... :P Why does it make a difference. It still doesnt make you right? If I wanted to buy a PS3 for 399 in 07 I could have just like in 08. The only difference was the 80GB harddrive and that doesnt make a difference. For the longest the 40GB PS3 was probably the best selling PS3 before it was phased out. EIther way the pricing during the holiday season for 07 was 399 and 499. Just like it is now at the beginning of 09. There is no doubt that MS is competing on Price right now, to deny this would be silly. It's not a judgement, it's not good or bad, it's just the way it is. Some fanboys say "it's only winning because of the price" like it's cheating or something. Price is one of the fundamentals of marketing, one of the "4 Ps."
[QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"][QUOTE="Javy03"]The PS3 has been 399 since the holiday season of 07. Its sales have spiked higher and remained higher since then for most of 08 until the 360 dipped to the Wii price level. So no, the PS3 did not have a price drop in 08, it had it in 07. Bringing up the 9% dip in ONE quarter while all the other quarters and the whole year has seen substantial growth seems selective. Especially ignoring the economic situation all economies are in. Obviously the most expensive console will suffer the most. I have no clue how this gen will end but from what the trend has shown is that the PS3 is in higher demand then the 360 when the price gap is much closer. I will be interested to see what will happen when the PS3 inevitably drops its price closer to the 360. Will the 360 drop its price to lower then the PS2's price? WIll that help it or it?Javy03I'm sorry I thought the PS3 got a price cut in March? As for Q3, do you think sales in Q4 will be more like the last quarter or the one of a year ago? Wouldn't it be fair to say the most recent figures are likely to represent sales patterns until the PS3 sees a price cut? Not really, the holiday seasons sales can only be compared to another years holiday's seasons sales. Q4 will show a dramatic DROP FOR ALL consoles. Not to mention attitudes toward the economy will change and people will feel more comfortable with spending as well as prices dropping. So no, I don't see the 9% Q3 as relevent for the future as you may. Heck look at 07 and 08. You can gather up all the quarters for 07 and that wouldnt have let you know how 08 was gonna be. You make statistics seem like an easy game. Why do you think analysts are wrong so much of the time. I meant the trends ... do you think % wise of sales (not total) Jan 09 will be more like Q1 or Q3 of last years fiscal year?
[QUOTE="dsmccracken"][QUOTE="DanteSuikoden"]I don't know that "should be" enters into it. With the RROD problem, I think that sales are as they should be. Sony should thank God every night that MS rushed and got b*&%$ slapped with the RROD problem, or they'd be getting smoked by the 360 AND Wii right now. Not true at all. Without that rush job MS did, MS would have launched much later and had a much smaller library by the time the PS3 launched. Heck they might have even launched at the same time. Then the year advantage of games, pricing and time would be gone. I'm not sure where anything you said contradicts my point... rushing resulted in RROD, to have not rushed would have negated the head start... what's not true at all, exactly?With the price cut ps3 was still more expensive than the 360. 360 was cheaper than ps3 and took another price cut. Good business move but with the $200 difference in price I don't think it's outselling the ps3 by as much as it should be outselling it
Javy03
[QUOTE="dsmccracken"][QUOTE="DanteSuikoden"]I don't know that "should be" enters into it. With the RROD problem, I think that sales are as they should be. Sony should thank God every night that MS rushed and got b*&%$ slapped with the RROD problem, or they'd be getting smoked by the 360 AND Wii right now.With the price cut ps3 was still more expensive than the 360. 360 was cheaper than ps3 and took another price cut. Good business move but with the $200 difference in price I don't think it's outselling the ps3 by as much as it should be outselling it
DanteSuikoden
The type of people that would look at the $200 price of 360 (hate using the word casuals) probably wouldn't know about the RROD. At least I think they don't:P
There is a lot of stuff that SW regulars assume "normal people" (aka casuals) know that in reality they don't. For instance, cows think that KZ2 is a system seller when the sad truth is that normal people who don't stay abreast of the gaming world like we do have never even HEARD of the damn thing. BUT, when it comes to RROD, I'm pretty certain most casuals do have some level of knowledge about the problem. Let's be honest, if you know even one person who owns a damn 360, chances are you therefore also know one person who's had the magic 3 red lights fairy visit them.
[QUOTE="PoppaGamer"][QUOTE="rybe1025"]Ok fine you can come up with excuses like the year head start and stuff but that is all it is excuses to make up for the PS3 bad turn out.. First though I am just wondering do you say the same thing about the PS2 when threads are made about it winning since the PS2 had a head start?Coming in second deserves praise though? :lol:At least Microsoft can say they are not in last place like the PS3 and even better they can say in less time they sold more then the previous gen. What can Sony say? The PS3 is last and doint much worse then the PS2 in software and hardware sales. Also the PS3 is much worse then the PS2 in software library but the 360 has far improved over the X-box in game library. Hmmm, maybe Sony can say that they have sold more consoles than the 360 with the same time on the market. And to think the ps3 has done lousy only shows that the 360 has done even worse this gen, but yet some how gets praise. Just like on G4 tv on xplay they had Cliffy B on there, it was like they were announcing a new game or something with all of the hype but to only find out it was a patch he was announcing for Gears 2, a patch for a broken game but yet still gets the hype treatment on the show. And then says that they had missed a few glitches when going through testing LOL. Got to love the media when they pick the winner for the people to cheer for lol.Also given the PS3 a big round of cheer is just like the special olympics. No matter how bad they do everyone is treated like a champion. I agree with people doing it with the special olympics but there is no reason for it with the PS3. Lets face facts it is last in everything and does not deserve a round of applause.
rybe1025
P.S I think with the reviews coming in about KZ2 that its safe to say the games on the ps3 are definitly out showcasing the 360, just something else that Sony can say lol.
Not true at all. Without that rush job MS did, MS would have launched much later and had a much smaller library by the time the PS3 launched. Heck they might have even launched at the same time. Then the year advantage of games, pricing and time would be gone.dsmccrackenI'm not sure where anything you said contradicts my point... rushing resulted in RROD, to have not rushed would have negated the head start... what's not true at all, exactly? "Sony should thank God every night that MS rushed and got ..... slapped with the RROD...or they'd be getting smoked by the 360.." That statement to me means that the 360 would be smoking the PS3 if they didnt rush. What my point was is that as much as the RROD hurt MS, its year head start to build up a fanbase and a list of games is more valuable. If MS didnt rush they wouldnt have launched a year before the PS3, wouldnt have the head start in fanbase, games, or ability to lower the price due to 1 extra year of development. So my point is no, MS might be hurting because of the RROD but it would have been hurting even more if it launched closer to the PS3 losing all of its current advantages.
[QUOTE="rybe1025"][QUOTE="PoppaGamer"] Coming in second deserves praise though? :lol:GreyFoXX4At least Microsoft can say they are not in last place like the PS3 and even better they can say in less time they sold more then the previous gen. What can Sony say? The PS3 is last and doint much worse then the PS2 in software and hardware sales. Also the PS3 is much worse then the PS2 in software library but the 360 has far improved over the X-box in game library.Hmmm, maybe Sony can say that they have sold more consoles than the 360 with the same time on the market. And to think the ps3 has done lousy only shows that the 360 has done even worse this gen, but yet some how gets praise. Just like on G4 tv on xplay they had Cliffy B on there, it was like they were announcing a new game or something with all of the hype but to only find out it was a patch he was announcing for Gears 2, a patch for a broken game but yet still gets the hype treatment on the show. And then says that they had missed a few glitches when going through testing LOL. Got to love the media when they pick the winner for the people to cheer for lol.
P.S I think with the reviews coming in about KZ2 that its safe to say the games on the ps3 are definitly out showcasing the 360, just something else that Sony can say lol.
The PS3 had a 120 million base of users from the prior gen to draw from, the 360 had a 25 million base of users to draw from. Also, while the 360 wasn't competing on the open market with the PS3 for the first year, it was competing with the mythical "3x's the power of the 360, fulltime 1080p" PS3. Comparing them without considering any of the factors surrounding the machines is stupid. The PS3 was supposed to blow a reliable 360 out of the water, and is slowly losing ground to a 360 with a well known RROD issue. Can you imagine how bad things would be for Sony if the RROD didn't happen? How you figure that the followup to last gen's runaway victor selling about the same as the followup to last gens distant 2nd place finisher means it is doing better is completely beyond me. It makes no sense. The PS brand is in a downward spiral while the Xbox brand is in an upwards one. You aren't being even the slightest bit logical with the above post.[QUOTE="dsmccracken"] Not true at all. Without that rush job MS did, MS would have launched much later and had a much smaller library by the time the PS3 launched. Heck they might have even launched at the same time. Then the year advantage of games, pricing and time would be gone.Javy03I'm not sure where anything you said contradicts my point... rushing resulted in RROD, to have not rushed would have negated the head start... what's not true at all, exactly? "Sony should thank God every night that MS rushed and got ..... slapped with the RROD...or they'd be getting smoked by the 360.." That statement to me means that the 360 would be smoking the PS3 if they didnt rush. What my point was is that as much as the RROD hurt MS, its year head start to build up a fanbase and a list of games is more valuable. If MS didnt rush they wouldnt have launched a year before the PS3, wouldnt have the head start in fanbase, games, or ability to lower the price due to 1 extra year of development. So my point is no, MS might be hurting because of the RROD but it would have been hurting even more if it launched closer to the PS3 losing all of its current advantages.Definitely, a year headstart gave the PS2 the victory last gen. Also, I don't think MS ever thought the RRoD would last as long as it has...I think they thought they'd get the .09 micron CPU/GPU out there and replace it fairly quickly with the .065 versions(which pretty much everybody figured would bring RROD down to normal levels)jasper appears to have done that...just 18 months or so later than expected. MS never intended on the transition to 65nm to be so long and bumpy.
[QUOTE="Javy03"][QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"]You're talking about different SKU's and price cuts ... :PdsmccrackenWhy does it make a difference. It still doesnt make you right? If I wanted to buy a PS3 for 399 in 07 I could have just like in 08. The only difference was the 80GB harddrive and that doesnt make a difference. For the longest the 40GB PS3 was probably the best selling PS3 before it was phased out. EIther way the pricing during the holiday season for 07 was 399 and 499. Just like it is now at the beginning of 09. There is no doubt that MS is competing on Price right now, to deny this would be silly. It's not a judgement, it's not good or bad, it's just the way it is. Some fanboys say "it's only winning because of the price" like it's cheating or something. Price is one of the fundamentals of marketing, one of the "4 Ps." And it's no doubt the PS3 has been selling on name brand alone since launch. I guess that makes it even
[QUOTE="PoppaGamer"][QUOTE="IronBass"] Doesn't "coming back" mean: "return to the top"? The PS3 has never been on the top, so technically, it can't make a comeback >.> Teh conspiracy.IronBassFunny, fanbvoys like this make the claim PS3 is a failure because it isn't matching slaes of the PS2. And they say that because of how successful the PS2 is/was. So isn't that the top? Isn't that what the PS3 is shooting for? I'm not saying its gotten there, just wondering what your definition of "the top" is. Because even if PS3 was the top selling console but it didn't match the PS2, people like you would still call it a failure. No matter how well the PS3 does, some people still won't think its enough. Yet, the 360 is rocking it, even though its barely holding on to its lead that it received by coming a year earlier than the other two. You praise MS though they have never been close to being the "top dog." Seem odd to anyone else? Lastly, I think many CAN say PS3 has made a comeback. Right now, and for the past year or more, PS3 has been on pace with the 360 in quality title releases. That doesn't mean it heading straight for the top. It just means its comeback from the darkness it was in. The funny thing of your post is... that I've never called the PS3 a failure. I even defended it against that definition.
fanboys sure like to get touchy and assume things
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