Final Fantasy 13 had the best combat and gfx, but the worst everything else.

Can we atleast all agree on this? IMO the combat was definitely leagues better than any other final fantasy before it, and the graphics are a no-brainer. Unfortunately, it was surrounded by poor design outside of battle.

I remember reading that the game wasn't as expansive as previous games because of the difficulty of the hardware. It really makes me wonder how even better the game could have been on the ps2.

The combat in 13 wasn't anything spectacular. Its basically ATB except your characters are moving around on the battlefield, but you only get to control one. The story isn't anywhere near as bad as people claim it is.

The combat system was crap, the in game graphics were crap, the CGI was good though. I miss the old system.

I like the soundtrack.

The combat and graphics was one of the best. Story was meh

Combat was way too easy imo.Most of the time u just pick auto-attack.

FFXIII's combat was great and there was alot of strategy behind it as well. Graphics and soundtyrack were great. The story was good; the plot could have been improved but the great concept and great characters kept me interested.

Some complaints of mine are the the weapon upgrade system is crap, the optional missions at the end of the game could get tedious, and the story loses focus at the end of the game (but the gameplay also picks up near the end so it baklances out a bit.)

My only complaint was the story, which IMO was hard to follow.

My only complaint was the story, which IMO was hard to follow.

Shirokishi_

Out of all the FF games I liked the combat system of FF8 the best.

The only downside is drawing magic and long GF scenes, but I love the junction system.

I wouldn't even agree on the combat, since the other two characters were on auto-battle, and the death of the character on point resulted in a game over. There's no reason at this point in game design why you can't switch characters on the go, like you could in X, and if they had to have auto-battle, why not have the entire party there? Why limit things to 3 even now?MAILER_DAEMON

Im gonna buy it now and find out, I have heard nothing but bad things from people I know but its cheap now so... just deciding whether the collectors edition is worth the extra tenner :?. The one thing that makes me want to try it is the combat system tc, so you have a point.

I always love the "just mash X button" complaints.

Any old FF is much more guilty of "button mashing" than FFXIII is. In FFIV, FFVI or FFVII, ect. you could probably just choose the "attack" command 80%-90% of the time and get by fine, while in FFXIII that is not the case.

I just wasn't having any fun with it and I could not stand most of the characters.

The battle system was terrible. They made it so simple its stupid. It can basicly be broken down into 3 or 4 step flowchart

1. buff/debuff

2. build gauge

if health < 40% switch ot heal group then go back to #2

if gauge is full switch to attack group then return to #2

if buff/debuff weres off return to #1

I beat the whole game using this simple strategy and it was a cakewalk. All you have to do is follow the chart and mash autoselect and your good.

FFXIII is one of the worst games I own. It has a terrible story, the worst battle system in a RPG, its bascilyy one straight line dungeon, and of course you got bad characters like Sazh, Hope, and Vanille. If it wasnt for the crazy production values this game would have gotten terrible reviews.

I also forgot to add there are barely any sidequest and the ones they do have suck

I liked the old combat system better.

Well if your playing on the 360 it has really bad graphics too. FriendlyGaimz

I didn't notice a difference from the 360 to PS3 version.

They are both had graphics and would look many times better if it were on the PC.

Well if your playing on the 360 it has really bad graphics too. FriendlyGaimz

If FFXIII 360's graphics are considered bad, I'd like to see graphics that are considered good.

[QUOTE="FriendlyGaimz"]Well if your playing on the 360 it has really bad graphics too. DJ-Lafleur

If FFXIII 360's graphics are considered bad, I'd like to see graphics that are considered good.

The combat was my biggest let down about the game.

[QUOTE="DJ-Lafleur"]

[QUOTE="FriendlyGaimz"]Well if your playing on the 360 it has really bad graphics too. FriendlyGaimz

If FFXIII 360's graphics are considered bad, I'd like to see graphics that are considered good.

I'm sure it does. Doesn't mean the 360 version looks bad.

I always love the "just mash X button" complaints.

Any old FF is much more guilty of "button mashing" than FFXIII is. In FFIV, FFVI or FFVII, ect. you could probably just choose the "attack" command 80%-90% of the time and get by fine, while in FFXIII that is not the case.

DJ-Lafleur

Well if your playing on the 360 it has really bad graphics too. FriendlyGaimz

I can make it through pretty much any RPG as long as the combat system works.

the lack of control offered during battles in this game took me completely out ofit.i didn't care. when iwon, itwas unsatisfying and when i lost it felt like it was mostly out of my hands. all i can do is enter manual commandsfor my leaderand then give vague tactics to the rest

anybody who didn't like the FF12 combat system was doing it wrong. I had one character under my own complete control and then very specific gambits set for my team mates that would make them act the way that i would have played anyway. it wasn't unnatural, it was simplymore efficient.

ff13's system makesmy team mates act in ways that i would never command them to andi spend half my time trying to correct them, or cover forthem.it's infuriating.

ff13 had agood story, great graphics and no soul. thats why it is the worst final fantasy i have ever played and guarantees that for the first time ever, i will rent the next ff before i buy.

i'm far happier with DragonQuest 9 on the DS than iam with FF13 on the PS3. That's saying something, isn't it?

i'm far happier with DragonQuest 9 on the DS than iam with FF13 on the PS3. That's saying something, isn't it?

-starman-

100% Agreed. Just got Dq9 yesterday and Im loving it. :D

I like the soundtrack.

Espada12

Yeah it should get some props for it's soundtrack

When it comes to combat,characters and story of FF13 its all opinions. You like it or you dont. To me FF13 combat is one of the best since it actually keeps you on your toes. I just cant agree with some people saying that its mindless.

I can make it through pretty much any RPG as long as the combat system works.

the lack of control offered during battles in this game took me completely out ofit.i didn't care. when iwon, itwas unsatisfying and when i lost it felt like it was mostly out of my hands. all i can do is enter manual commandsfor my leaderand then give vague tactics to the rest

anybody who didn't like the FF12 combat system was doing it wrong. I had one character under my own complete control and then very specific gambits set for my team mates that would make them act the way that i would have played anyway. it wasn't unnatural, it was simplymore efficient.

ff13's system makesmy team mates act in ways that i would never command them to andi spend half my time trying to correct them, or cover forthem.it's infuriating.

ff13 had agood story, great graphics and no soul. thats why it is the worst final fantasy i have ever played and guarantees that for the first time ever, i will rent the next ff before i buy.

i'm far happier with DragonQuest 9 on the DS than iam with FF13 on the PS3. That's saying something, isn't it?

-starman-

No not really. If you enjoyed the combat more in 9 then you just like it more. Me I could never get behind DQ combat.

The combat is GREAT, the best? maybe but thats VERY DEBATABLE espeically considering you only can control one person.

everything else I agree on this is the worst REAL final fantasy

I preferred FFX-2's version of the ATB system and FFXII's ATD system. I did like FFXIII ATB system though. It was one of the few decent features in that game.

*touches his nose* you hit it right on the nose, thats one of the reasons the game is so bad, its graphics took far and away precedent over content, story, sound...ect

which is why it was bad.

I thought it was crap, just keep hitting auto attack then change your classes around when needed. You didn't need to select anything beyond that besides an occassional item

If there was ever any proof that JRPGs need to die Final Fantasy 13 is it. Only exception is Demon Souls.Shielder7

If there was ever any proof that JRPGs need to die Final Fantasy 13 is it. Only exception is Demon Souls.Shielder7

A genre needs to die because one game has scores just below 9/10? Keep that mentality and we will have no genres left to play.

Can we atleast all agree on this? IMO the combat was definitely leagues better than any other final fantasy before it, and the graphics are a no-brainer. Unfortunately, it was surrounded by poor design outside of battle.

I remember reading that the game wasn't as expansive as previous games because of the difficulty of the hardware. It really makes me wonder how even better the game could have been on the ps2.

ice144

I have to disagree. The combat is tops and the graphics are amazing. When compared to the Final Fantasies released in the past 10 years though, this one is without a doubt the best, imho.

I actually didnt like the combat much at all. It consisted of casting fire a lot to build up your break bar. I cast fire so much..... really just spammed fire. Always. Not what Id call fun combat. A lot of fire...

I find 1990's turn based gameplay redundant in 2010.

Really evolve SE like Sega did with VC and Resonance of Fate.