Final Fantasy 7 (sigh)

[QUOTE="Dystopian-X"][QUOTE="3ggman"]Oh and to whoever said 12 is a good game. Shame on you... 3ggman

I beat 1,2,4,6,7,8,9,10. I mostly liked all of them and no I am not a fanboy towards any of them. I played 12 and it was crap. Just plain crap. I also have friends who beat most of the previous FFs and never got to finish 12 cause it was just plain aweful. 

Blackbond, were you referring to this?

Blackbond, were you referring to this?

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Blackbond, were you referring to this?

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oh wow that was just epic :lol:

Actually, look at any gaming website and they will say "FFVI pwns VII! VII is overrated!" Heck just look at this thread.

And I thought I listed Barret, but apparently I did not. But that's how great VII is - Yuffie alone pwns all VI characters.

This is how the list goes: 1. Final Fantasy VII 2. Final Fantasy IX 3. Final Fantasy X 4. Final Fantasy VIII 5. Final Fantasy VI

AHUGECAT

Like what gaming sites? Definately not this one, 1UP, or IGN if I'm not mistaken.

Blackbond, were you referring to this?

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Yeah this is exactly what I was talking about   :lol: 

VII owns every game in existance. No JRPG can match up to it even after over 10 years.AHUGECAT

[QUOTE="AHUGECAT"]

Actually, look at any gaming website and they will say "FFVI pwns VII! VII is overrated!" Heck just look at this thread.

And I thought I listed Barret, but apparently I did not. But that's how great VII is - Yuffie alone pwns all VI characters.

This is how the list goes: 1. Final Fantasy VII 2. Final Fantasy IX 3. Final Fantasy X 4. Final Fantasy VIII 5. Final Fantasy VI

Blackbond

Like what gaming sites? Definately not this one, 1UP, or IGN if I'm not mistaken.

Any, even on this website. This thread proves my point.

But anyways kno wwhat would make Kefka a REALLY cool villain?

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[QUOTE="Dystopian-X"] Yes it is and very addicting once you get into it. It's problem is that it failed to be all that memorable. Seriously most ppl who hate on later FF games are either FF VII or VI fanboys or one of those who seem to think only the ''classics'' were good, not sure which group is worse.Dystopian-X

I beat 1,2,4,6,7,8,9,10. I mostly liked all of them and no I am not a fanboy towards any of them. I played 12 and it was crap. Just plain crap. I also have friends who beat most of the previous FFs and never got to finish 12 cause it was just plain aweful. 

Before I get into it. I would like to say that Final Fantasy has been around for a very long time, and is about to have it's 13th installment. The franchise has been around to see several changes in the industry, and it also represents a part of it. Not to mention several different generations have jumped on the bandwagon that is Final Fantasy from several different games. In general, your first Final Fantasy game is your favorite(especially if you were playing it during it's high moment).

Final Fantasy VII was just different enough to get the exposure that the others did not have. It's not all about the characters and the storyline; but the world. The presentation alone was the perfect example of where the industry was heading too. More so then Final Fantasy VI, and that games was a technical masterpiece for the SNES. I still have the EGM in my hand from the late 90s that had a main article called the RPG Revolution, which made note of Final Fantasy VII being a game that not only help Japanese RPGs, but other imports make it to the US(not single handedly though). It was that same magazine(or the next) that followed up with Square EA releasing Bushido Blade 2, Xenogears, Brave Fencer Musashi, and Parasite Eve. Not to mention, because of FFVII we were able to enjoy Final Fantasy Anthology which re-released Final Fantasy VI and for the first time bought FFV to North America. For a Japanese RPG to be a commercial success in 1997 was obscene; and there had to be something good about FFVII to sell so many.

Is it good a great game? Of course! The best? My favorite RPG of all time is Morrowind. But definitely a frontier game to sit along with Gran Turismo, Metal Gear Solid, Tony Hawk Pro Skater, etc, etc. I can understand why someone says it isn't the best Final Fantasy(or JRPG for that matter), but to say it wasn't a great game is wrong.

But I think right now, Square Enix has said that Final Fantasy X(especially in Japan) has been labeled best Final Fantasy of all time. :P

IMO FFVIII is the best in the series, then comes IX>VII>VI>X>XII>IV. I haven't played the first three or FFV though...

 Ive played them all, FF7 was the most timeless to me, even though FF6 for example used abit of a mix betwene Futirsm and Fantasy ... nothing approached what Final Fantasy 7 was themed as at the time... a good mix of Japanese and Western Culture...

To the guy that said FF7 was just cloud loving Aeris and then ranting on about Squall and his memories... think you got your games mixed up mate O_o

VI, Chrono Trigger Earthbound > VIILocke562

Final Fantasy VII was my first JRPG, so ill always have a soft spot for it. It may not have been the best story in the world, but the mechanics and the gameplay were solid across the board. Plus it looked pretty good at the time. 8 was also very good, as was 9 (although moreso if you appreciated the original final fantasys). It took me a while to get used to 10, but i grew to like the system in the end.

FF XII was an unmitigated disaster. Terrible story with no conclusion worth playing towards, mechanics that took away from the whole idea of Final Fantasy gameplay, horrendous enemy level-scaling, even the graphics werent all that impressive compared to 10 which came out a good few years beforehand.

Also im playing through the original 3 games right now (need to pick up 4,5 and 6 at some point).

1= pure win

2= ugh, how did they go from FF1 to this...?

3= pretty good

A lot of people who "hate" FF7 either never played it, or decided to jump on the bandwagon that "9 and 6 were better!" Final Fantasy VII is, by far the best in the series and without a doubt the best JRPG ever made. Personally, I don't know where all the love for 6 comes from- I thought 4, 5, and 9 were all better than 6 (other than 7, of course).MarthRingman

Not to mention Kefka isn't that great, anyways. He was a coward, weak and stupid. Sephiroth is more of a badass and Keftka is more evil but not a badass. More of a Sadam Hussein type evil.I never cared for him after he poisoned the water. He would of never of achieved any of those things like gaining the statues powers or getting past the heroes if it wasn't for the fact that he let everyone else do his work for him. Sephiroth tried to take on the world on his own. Kefka backstabbed the guy who was trying to achieve ultimate power and took it for himself at the last second.

If you dropped Kefka in a world where someone like The Emperor who had to be mentally ill to trust him wasn't there, Kefka would probably have gotten killed on the streets by some thug nobody.

Before I get into it. I would like to say that Final Fantasy has been around for a very long time, and is about to have it's 13th installment. The franchise has been around to see several changes in the industry, and it also represents a part of it. Not to mention several different generations have jumped on the bandwagon that is Final Fantasy from several different games. In general, your first Final Fantasy game is your favorite(especially if you were playing it during it's high moment).

Final Fantasy VII was just different enough to get the exposure that the others did not have. It's not all about the characters and the storyline; but the world. The presentation alone was the perfect example of where the industry was heading too. More so then Final Fantasy VI, and that games was a technical masterpiece for the SNES. I still have the EGM in my hand from the late 90s that had a main article called the RPG Revolution, which made note of Final Fantasy VII being a game that not only help Japanese RPGs, but other imports make it to the US(not single handedly though). It was that same magazine(or the next) that followed up with Square EA releasing Bushido Blade 2, Xenogears, Brave Fencer Musashi, and Parasite Eve. Not to mention, because of FFVII we were able to enjoy Final Fantasy Anthology which re-released Final Fantasy VI and for the first time bought FFV to North America. For a Japanese RPG to be a commercial success in 1997 was obscene; and there had to be something good about FFVII to sell so many.

Is it good a great game? Of course! The best? My favorite RPG of all time is Morrowind. But definitely a frontier game to sit along with Gran Turismo, Metal Gear Solid, Tony Hawk Pro Skater, etc, etc. I can understand why someone says it isn't the best Final Fantasy(or JRPG for that matter), but to say it wasn't a great game is wrong.

But I think right now, Square Enix has said that Final Fantasy X(especially in Japan) has been labeled best Final Fantasy of all time. :P

FF7 is the mega overrated.

for god sakes, it has a good story, not great, its love story isnt that sad.

FF8 in the other hand.

talk abt the saddest ending sequence ever in an FF game.

cloud losing his loved is nothing like squalls battle trying to make sure his memories stay while trying to save his loved and all kind of stuff.

FF7 is like GTA:SA its fun and great and lots of mini games

FF8 is more like GTA4 serious but great story but without the lame gameplay.

FF8 IMO is probably the best with FFx-2 being the last.

yes, ive played nearly every single FF game out there except for FF11 and FF12 (i just couldn't bear the game)

and yes, u can see its been a while since ive played any FF game so my memories on the characters name may be pretty shallow.

muffintheduffin

I totally agree with you.

The thing is, ff8 had a tough act to follow ff7, but it wasnt ff7. Maybe thats why its not praised. But everyone who does know ff8, love it.
Just talking about it, is making me want to play it again and relive the memories.

[QUOTE="Blackbond"][QUOTE="AHUGECAT"]

FFVI seems to me like a bandwagon type game, as is the hate of FF7. I bet you hate Halo and GTA as well, right?

AHUGECAT

No that would be FFVII. You know the game that has all the Sephiroth fanboys, the people who loved it without even haved played any iterations before it. FFVII is the bandwagon type game. When you think of gaming bandwagon's you think of FFVII and Sephiroth in the same sentence.

Judging from this thread and many others (and websites), it's the exact opposite. It's cool to hate on FFVII, Halo, GTA and other games. FFVI is easily one of the worst in the series but for some reason it's liked, I guess because it's trendy. Kefka is such a horrible "character" my goodness. Sephiroth is popular because he is actually cool and badass. Kefka is a lame character, easily forgetable.

Judging by your opinion that FFVI is a bad game I am led to believe you don't play many rpgs. FFVII may take flak from some people just because of its immense popularitybut I don't think any rpg player actually thinks its a bad game just that they don't understand why its so praised all the time. To actually say final fantasy 6 is bad its just insane to me.

[QUOTE="MarthRingman"]A lot of people who "hate" FF7 either never played it, or decided to jump on the bandwagon that "9 and 6 were better!" Final Fantasy VII is, by far the best in the series and without a doubt the best JRPG ever made. Personally, I don't know where all the love for 6 comes from- I thought 4, 5, and 9 were all better than 6 (other than 7, of course).AHUGECAT

Not to mention Kefka isn't that great, anyways. He was a coward, weak and stupid. Sephiroth is more of a badass and Keftka is more evil but not a badass. More of a Sadam Hussein type evil.I never cared for him after he poisoned the water. He would of never of achieved any of those things like gaining the statues powers or getting past the heroes if it wasn't for the fact that he let everyone else do his work for him. Sephiroth tried to take on the world on his own. Kefka backstabbed the guy who was trying to achieve ultimate power and took it for himself at the last second.

If you dropped Kefka in a world where someone like The Emperor who had to be mentally ill to trust him wasn't there, Kefka would probably have gotten killed on the streets by some thug nobody.

Due to not being able to read during the days of the snes, the first JRPG and Final Fantasy I ever played was X. Hopefully that helps to make me a little less biased than those who played VI or VII first.

Both Final Fantasy VI and VII were good. My personal favourite between the two would be VI because I actually become attached to the characters and found the game more entertaining(Sabin`s Blitzes were awesome despite being simple to do).

The thing that held VII back was the characters. Cloud and Sephiroth especially. No matter what anyone says, I found those characters to be two of the worst in video game history due to their ability to spend THE ENTIRE GAME COMPLAINING. Cid and Barret are two of my favourite characters in video game history but everyone elsein that game just got on my nerves. Plus the death of Aeris was not sad. 

Notice how no one back then complained about the characters being whiny, because of this damn emo trend everyone goes around calling everything emo, hey new flash, emo culture doesn't exist in Japan!!black_tempest

People complained about 7 when it came out. There just weren't web forums and blogs to let the whole world know how upset you were with 7 after the greatness that was 6.

I like FF 9 better.... I find FFVII to be incredibly overhyped and kinda overrated. That's just my 2 cents.no_handlebars

6>9>7>>>>>>>>>>>8>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>10Utensilman

[QUOTE="AHUGECAT"]VII owns every game in existance. No JRPG can match up to it even after over 10 years.st1ka

[QUOTE="Utensilman"]6>9>7>>>>>>>>>>>8>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>10DragonfireXZ95

I'm with Jeff Gerstmann on this one. The commericals for this game were the best part.

Final Fantasy 8 Ftw

runker

VII owns every game in existance. No JRPG can match up to it even after over 10 years.AHUGECAT