Final Fantasy VII was overrated.

[QUOTE="Andrew_Xavier"]

No such thing as "emos" when VII came out, it came out long before "emos" existed. If you argue that emos were rampant anywhere in the world in 1997, I think you'll find you are wrong.

People don't get that back when it came out, it was the first major RPG for the psone, arguably sure, but, it was the first majorly successful (sales wise, hype wise) JRPG for the psone in the EU and North America. Without it, better FF games like III wouldn't have been made/sold so well for the DS and in re-release...

Truth is, it may not have been better than *insert your psone obscure jprg here*, but, it was a massive success, and moved the FF name onto an entirely new demographic from the NES/SNES titles.

the_h_bomb

Final Fantasy 7 single handedly created the Emo movement. For that alone it can never be regarded as the best final fantasy game

crappy music single handily created the Emo movement you fail here.

emos did not start coming into the world until 98 or 99

when final fantasy came out all we had were gothic people who liked death metal.

music is the key to emos, not final fantasy.

do some research if you want to talk about stuff you apparently were too young to remember.

[QUOTE="ScoopyMcScoop"]

I've been wondering what the concensus on a question about FFVII and Ocarina of Time is...

Many people will tell you FFVII was the best FF (yes I know opinions differ obviously, don't post just to remind everyone of the obvious, this is why I said many and not most, cause it may not be most (though it may be also)).

Many people happen to think Ocarina of Time is the best Zelda game ever...

What to these statements have in common? Well, the historic moment in each series took place in each of these games... they went 3-d.

Could it be the Ocarina of Time is overrated due to the fact that Zelda games were already huge, largely loved games before they went 3-d, and because of the successful translation into 3-d this game was overrated? I think this is what happened with FFVII to some extent... the first 3-d FF garners itself a MASSIVE following... would it have been this way if, say, VIII had been the first 3-d FF as opposed to VII? Would people still laud Sephiroth as the badass that he is if he wasn't in 3-d to behold at first?

Many hardcore Zelda fans will tell you Ocarina wasn't even the best Zelda game, yet the generic fan who knows something about games, but not a LOT will tell you Ocarina is the best game ever (many siting gamerankings and metacritic to back this up ironically, as if those two sites somehow have the power to end this argument)... many hardcore Zelda freaks I know like Majora's Mask more, Link to the Past more, Twilight I hear being called the best Zelda at times too (and once in a great while even Wind Waker)...

Point I'm making this be obvious at this point... were both of these games, and specifically FFVII overrated due to the fact that they were both the first translations of mega series into 3-d and they both happened to do a successful job of it also? If so, isn't this a shallow way to look at how these games are viewed in retrospect? VIII and X (among the 3-d FF's) were better than VII imo (purely opinion spittin there (very few people I know actually got the message VIII was sending, it's actually a much deeper game than it first seemed when you research it a bit look for hidden connotations)). Ocarina was great, but maybe Link to the Past was better... maybe FFVI is the best FF (I hear this a lot, probably the number one thing I hear people counter the VII is the best argument with, I usually hear those people saying 6 ruled 7... and maybe it did, but it wasn't 3-d, so I think some people don't properly consider this)....

What is the concensus on this? Were some of the "greatest games of all time" and games reverred as the best in their series good, but not actually the best, but regarded as such because they were the first big 3-d leap? (Yes, I realize some series truly did excel at their first 3-d attempt, for instance, I feel that Metal Gear Solid was the best Metal Gear game and it happened to be the first 3-d, but I don't think that was the reason it was best, I actually just thought it was best straight up).

What do yall think?

gearsofhalogeek

first of all, my favorite final fantasy was 6 (3 in the u.s.) and my favorite zelda was a link to the past on the snes.

and final fantasy 7 was not 3d, it was 2d with static backgrounds just like all the other final fantasys up until 12.

final fantasy 7 was so popular because of the photorealistic backgrounds (everyone bought it because of this) the story was ok but i didnt think it was that great myself.

i havent really liked the zelda games since they went 3d. to me it feels like they lost something in the transition (im not sure what)

i agree with you on zelda, my fav was also "link to the past" and i could never(no matter how hard i tried) get into the 3D games.

final fantasy vii is not overated ,heck the game is underated,its not only the best final fantasy its the best game ever made and i really doupt if an equal game ever make it

all the -20 years old think only about the graphics ,graphics this ,graphics that, those people that hail the graphics of the fps's and buy games cause they look good will never understand why final fantasy vii is the best .those games back then gave you emotions ,ffvii was the first game to reach the players heart(you connected with the character,sth in the new players dont understand cause they havent played any game like this)

Lets look at the facts

1. Sephiroth is an angsty androgynous long haired fool (EMO)
2. The (oft cited) death is an "EMOtional moment" for 12 year old EMO girls worldwide (Aeris no!!!!!!!!!)
3. Cloud is a silent (EMO), moody (EMO) protagonist who can't interact with people(EMO)
4. Cloud's friend vincent thinks he's a vampire (GOTH) and sleeps in a coffin (GOTH )

EMO

VII is far from the best Final Fantasy.

IV > VI > XII > IX > X > V > VII > XI > X-2 > VIII

It comes 7th among Final Fantasy games. It is massively overated.

TheMysticHorse

You put taht POS XII and X AND V above VII, you had no credibility and your opinion is void.

And VI is better than IV.

Why would V even be on that list? V was horrible. So was XII.

At first I was like wow she died. Now I dont even care. Hell now that I think about it she was kind B$%#&. I mean she was only interested in cloud because he looked like zack and thats it. Now that shes dead she can be with zack.

finalfantasy94

FF7 was the beginning of the end for the franchisse. Generic Androgynous ladyboys desigend to appeal to 12 year old Japanese girls. Kitase. 20 minute long cuscenes that would Make Make Solid Snake Blush. Nonsense romantic storylines. Stagnant battle systems

[QUOTE="the_h_bomb"]

yeah but Emo's loved it and there are a lot of Emo's out there

Aeris no!

EmperorSupreme

There was no such thing as Emos back in FFVII day. Infact I'm sick of how a certain group of gamers are stereotyping anything with a Japanese flavor and characterizing it as emo.

Yeah Emo has really been taken out of context and applied to everything. Back then EMO was an indie rock scene that people actually LIKED. Now its replaced the word "goth" and at times is used to insult any overly emotional form of expression.

Lets look at the facts

1. Sephiroth is an angsty androgynous long haired fool (EMO)
2. The (oft cited) death is an "EMOtional moment" for 12 year old EMO girls worldwide (Aeris no!!!!!!!!!)
3. Cloud is a silent (EMO), moody (EMO) protagonist who can't interact with people(EMO)
4. Cloud's friend vincent thinks he's a vampire (GOTH) and sleeps in a coffin (GOTH )

EMO

the_h_bomb

The Aeris moment probably defines, for most, the one moment where you truly were moved by a video game death. No game before that had the balls to kill a character like that, not one that you LEVELED UP, and completely lost after that point.

Right up there with the 4th wall Psycho mantis break in MGS. Breaking down what you THOUGHT a video game should be and making it something more.

Lets look at the facts

1. Sephiroth is an angsty androgynous long haired fool (EMO)
2. The (oft cited) death is an "EMOtional moment" for 12 year old EMO girls worldwide (Aeris no!!!!!!!!!)
3. Cloud is a silent (EMO), moody (EMO) protagonist who can't interact with people(EMO)
4. Cloud's friend vincent thinks he's a vampire (GOTH) and sleeps in a coffin (GOTH )

EMO

the_h_bomb

Are you emo or something?
I'm not following your reasoning for claiming something that has been proven to be pre-emo, and therefore have no relation to emo, to be emo. Are you attempting to justify your own pre-disposition or something along those lines?

Besides, the emo movement came and went really fast, and again, was entirely musically related.

BTW, "angsty long haired fool" could be heavy metal, pop rock (like KISS), hard rock, 80's hair metal, 80's glam rock, 90's grunge, 80's synth pop, 90's "underground", 90's pop, etc etc etc...
If "death" in a storyline means emo, does that mean that...say...the bible is the real creator of the emo movement? It contained many deaths, or maybe Shakespeare is created with creating the movement, as his tragedies always had deaths, maybe it was *insert famous old play-write here*...
Ah, inability to interact with people, I understand now, Planet Of The Apes created the emo movement, you nailed it.
Coffin = GOTH? While many Goths died in the battle of Rome, I don't think they used coffins *shrugs*

[QUOTE="the_h_bomb"]

Lets look at the facts

1. Sephiroth is an angsty androgynous long haired fool (EMO)
2. The (oft cited) death is an "EMOtional moment" for 12 year old EMO girls worldwide (Aeris no!!!!!!!!!)
3. Cloud is a silent (EMO), moody (EMO) protagonist who can't interact with people(EMO)
4. Cloud's friend vincent thinks he's a vampire (GOTH) and sleeps in a coffin (GOTH )

EMO

Bread_or_Decide

The Aeris moment probably defines, for most, the one moment where you truly were moved by a video game death. No game before that had the balls to kill a character like that, not one that you LEVELED UP, and completely lost after that point.

Right up there with the 4th wall Psycho mantis break in MGS. Breaking down what you THOUGHT a video game should be and making it something more.

[QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"][QUOTE="the_h_bomb"]

Lets look at the facts

1. Sephiroth is an angsty androgynous long haired fool (EMO)
2. The (oft cited) death is an "EMOtional moment" for 12 year old EMO girls worldwide (Aeris no!!!!!!!!!)
3. Cloud is a silent (EMO), moody (EMO) protagonist who can't interact with people(EMO)
4. Cloud's friend vincent thinks he's a vampire (GOTH) and sleeps in a coffin (GOTH )

EMO

DireToad

The Aeris moment probably defines, for most, the one moment where you truly were moved by a video game death. No game before that had the balls to kill a character like that, not one that you LEVELED UP, and completely lost after that point.

Right up there with the 4th wall Psycho mantis break in MGS. Breaking down what you THOUGHT a video game should be and making it something more.

For realz. Schindlers List is so emo.

And if you hate something just call it EMO and walk away with your head held high.

I'm walking away before this turns into a My Chemical Romance appreciation threadthe_h_bomb

Is it just me or are they GOTH and people just call it EMO?

To me Emo was sunny day real estate. Thin guys, playing artsy guitar, to high pitched singing.

When did EMO replace Goth? Does anyone even know what EMO means?

Is this like Grunge..when everything was just called Grunge..so people just hate it and lump it all under one name.

Not that I like My Chemical Romance.....smashing pumpkins wants their lead singers genes back.

I don't believe either was overrated. Why does everyone think proven games are overrated all of a sudden? These are two of the most well-respected games of all time, not just in their genres.

They're great. You may not like them but that doesn't change the fact most people disagree with you. (Which doesn't force you to like the games in any way.)

FFVII was one of the best RPGs I've ever played. But trying to decide whether or not a 10 year old game is overrated while looking at CURRENT games is not being fair at all. Personally I'd like to see that game redone with PS3 graphics (much like the old FinalFantasy games were redone for PSP) and it would be intresting to see how it does. I liked the game so much I'd probably but it again for the PS3.

But as to your question it's hard to say a game like that is overrated or not because so much has changed today. Heck the fighting system in FF13 is going to be completely different....how can you look at a 10 year old game and come to an opinion it was overrated or not when you play current gen games? That's like saying those old 60's movies are horrible but back then they were terrific for their time. Either way I think saying FFVII is overrated is crazy.

By the way, the original Zelda game is the only thing I can compare what FFVII did for me. It wowed me and showed me a world I could never had imagined. I've not had that feeling since the original Zelda or FFVII.

FFVII was one of the best RPGs I've ever played. But trying to decide whether or not a 10 year old game is overrated while looking at CURRENT games is not being fair at all. Personally I'd like to see that game redone with PS3 graphics (much like the old FinalFantasy games were redone for PSP) and it would be intresting to see how it does. I liked the game so much I'd probably but it again for the PS3.

But as to your question it's hard to say a game like that is overrated or not because so much has changed today. Heck the fighting system in FF13 is going to be completely different....how can you look at a 10 year old game and come to an opinion it was overrated or not when you play current gen games? That's like saying those old 60's movies are horrible but back then they were terrific for their time. Either way I think saying FFVII is overrated is crazy.

darthogre

You've gotta put these game in context. FF VII was unlike anything else at the time. It was innovative and changed the genre as we knew it. Same with Ocarina of time. Looking back and saying "OVERRATED" is just childish, ignorant, and sour grapes.

When you realize what they did for the genre, it speaks volumes for why they are so beloved.

And some people just wanna hate cause its popular.

No, not for its time.

Childish, ignorant, and sour grapes are not things to be confused with me and my post here. Read what I asked again (a great many people didn't read it properly and suppose a great many things about my opinions here). Bread or decide chastises me for asking for opinions and having one myself. I was as respectful as can be to those who respected my own words... yet you come on here with childish, ignorant, and sour grapes? You don't know what childish ignorant and sour grapes, any of those phrases, actually means if you think anyone who's saying "yes scoop, I kinda think, looking back now, maybe these games were overrated because they were the first 3-d iterations of popular series" are those things.

I was merely curious about whether anyone had experienced this phenomena of noticing that a couple key video game series got (possibly) too much acclaim for their first 3-d games in their series, simply because they were the first... (too bad, for instance, for FFVI, which, again, is one of the FF's I hear the most being called the best, as it was the LAST 2-d FF... so, henceforth, a great many people missed it). Nothing about anyone's opinions here (unless they're blatantly giving incorrect facts to back their opinions up, or they're straight up telling other people their opinions don't matter) is childish, ignorant, or sour grapes. If anything, I'd challenge that you are in fact those things Bread, and you seem to be, for some reason, personally offended almost that this thread even exist. God forbid we challenge the decisions of the past... I play a great many games, new, and old. Believe me, I'm more than smart enough to know how to put things in their proper perspective... nobodies trying to compare apples and oranges here but you...

[QUOTE="TheMysticHorse"]

VII is far from the best Final Fantasy.

IV > VI > XII > IX > X > V > VII > XI > X-2 > VIII

It comes 7th among Final Fantasy games. It is massively overated.

Killfox

The fact that you put FFVIII last makes your opinion laughable to almost the hole FF community.

for real. VII and VIII are very close. VIII has the better gameplay but VII has the better story and more lovable characters thus giving it a slight edge over VIII. Overall, VIII and VII are the best Final Fantasies IMO.

[QUOTE="Killfox"][QUOTE="TheMysticHorse"]

VII is far from the best Final Fantasy.

IV > VI > XII > IX > X > V > VII > XI > X-2 > VIII

It comes 7th among Final Fantasy games. It is massively overated.

II_Seraphim_II

The fact that you put FFVIII last makes your opinion laughable to almost the hole FF community.

for real. VII and VIII are very close. VIII has the better gameplay but VII has the better story and more lovable characters thus giving it a slight edge over VIII. Overall, VIII and VII are the best Final Fantasies IMO.

yes

Yall ain't answering my query though... what yall think? Were these two games (Ocarina and FFVII, specifically FFVII) overrated because they were the first two 3-d games in their respective legendary series?ScoopyMcScoop

No because I could pick up either of those games and have just as much fun as I did the first time. VII, to me, best game ever.

Really I thought it had the perfect plot, villain, and cast of crew to make it a awesome game, not only were the graphics awe inspiring at the time it was a GIANT step forward for the RPG industry, not just the game itself but the technical marvel it was at the time made it the legendary game that it is today.

IMHO I love VII on the top of my list of best RPG's ever, and yes I have played all the FF games, the story just hit home with me and thats why I like it perhaps you who don't like it maybe...have a difference of opinion? but please don't tote it around like you came to some revelation, and pretend you know the real facts.

The fact is not everyone will love any game, there are always those who dislike a game because a certain apect/aspects disagree with them, while those same things make it the best game of all time to some.

Opinions are overated unless they are your own when deciding whether something is good or not.

Over the last few years I've been making an effort to play through all the final fantasy games I missed, as the only one I had really played through was FF VII. The GBA remakes have been a significant help when it comes to finding the older ones, and as it stands right now I've played all the way up to VI, which I'm roughly half-way through right now.

I know I have yet to play any of the main series' games to come after VII, but I can honestly say that I think VII to be the strongest in the series. Or at least up to that point. The gameplay was improved upon significantly, the world seemed more alive and complex, and the story has yet to be beaten by any game I have played.

Once again, I'm aware that this all boils down to just an opinion. But isn't this the case with all games?

this thread is over rated!!ff7isnumbaone

No its under rated.

I don't find FFVII to be overrated, because it not only gave the series an excellent transition to 3-D, but it was also bursting with creativity in all areas (story, music, art design). The materia system is one of my favorite battle systems of all time, not because it's the most complex, but because creating materia combos was incredibly satisfying (final + phoenix, anyone?). The story definitely resonated with me (I have extremely fond memories of playing through the game my freshman year of high school), and the amount of secrets/extras in the game is pretty impressive.

That being said, I definitely feel that FFVII gets more than its share of attention due to the fact that a lot of kids seem to have either started playing videogames with the PSX/1, or at least only started playing RPGs when FFVII was released. I can't criticize anyone for being turned off with going from FFVII back to a game like Chrono Trigger or FFVI, but coming from someone who's been playing RPGs since the NES, I'd still never call VII superior to Square's SNES games, as good as VII is. To me, FFVI is the quintessential JRPG; for better or worse, it pretty much sums up the essence of what they are. I won't go into detail as to why I think it's slightly better than VII, but I definitely think that if more people had started with VI (or Chrono Trigger), they wouldn't be quite as obsessed with VII.

ff7 wasn't overated it was crap pure and plain crap and the TC mentions that its much deeper if you do research...yeah thats the problem i play a game to play a game i shouldn't have to buy all these crap spin offs, sequals, prequals and books *ff7 ultimania, and the one book based on aerith* just to understand the story or to find out the story isn't what i thought it was.

(spoiler)
Simple fact it still stands right now if you play the original game, the ending is saying the planet killed off all humanity all thats left is the animals, the ENDING of final fantasy 7 says this and only this there is no if's and or buts about it the story and ending of ff7 dictates that the planet killed us(spoiler), then when the movies, spin offs...ect came out they totally threw that ending into a tail spin making it invalid and opening up even larger the plot holes that we're in the original game and even making new ones. FF6 was better, hell ffx-2 was better then ff7.


the reason its popular is not because of the 3d its popular because it was one of the first rpgs most people played in europe and america because of its release on the ps1 at the high time of its life when ps1 was never better, and the pure media coverage it got the game sold, and because of that people still like it.


Ocarina of time? hell no the adventure of link was much better and the original game.

Link to the past, Orcarina and twilight princess are all just the same game but remade, Wind waker, majora's mask, adventure of links and the original nes game are the only good ones.

no ff7 is the greatest game ever made in my book...thats just my opinion of course and your thread fails cuz it is also based on an opinion...Rage010101

I can't tell if this is sarcasm or not .. either way LMFAO.

Something I'm surprised nobody has mentioned about the whole killing off a main character thing is that ffvii was NOT the first one to do this, in fact, I believe it would be the 3rd title to do such a thing, I'm sure the few who ever owned a genesis would remember the great phantasy star series in which, in the 2nd and 4th games, main characters were killed off to further the stories.

Alys from PS4

I can't remember her name but she was the cat/human mix that used the claws.

I think a lot of it depends on when you originally played the games and how old you were when you played them.

Someone who played Final Fantasy XII as their first Final Fantasy surely can go back and play Final Fantasy VII and VIII and fool people on the importance of their opinion by saying yeah I played VII, VIII, and XII and I think XII is the best but truth is they got a diluted experience.

Same goes for those who started with VII. They may go back and play VI or IV but the fact still remains that they got the VII experience in the time it was meant for and the IV or VI experience years later. Sure games should age well but that doesn't change that the experience is best in the time it was meant for.

So caught up in Final Fantasy at the time I didn't play the original Grandia on PlayStation (Saturn too before anyone crucifies me) until after completing Grandia II on Dreamcast years later. Sure I have played through both Grandia and Grandia II but I would think twice before claiming that my opinion on which Grandia is better is infallible just because I played both of them.

Childish, ignorant, and sour grapes are not things to be confused with me and my post here. Read what I asked again (a great many people didn't read it properly and suppose a great many things about my opinions here). Bread or decide chastises me for asking for opinions and having one myself. I was as respectful as can be to those who respected my own words... yet you come on here with childish, ignorant, and sour grapes? You don't know what childish ignorant and sour grapes, any of those phrases, actually means if you think anyone who's saying "yes scoop, I kinda think, looking back now, maybe these games were overrated because they were the first 3-d iterations of popular series" are those things.

I was merely curious about whether anyone had experienced this phenomena of noticing that a couple key video game series got (possibly) too much acclaim for their first 3-d games in their series, simply because they were the first... (too bad, for instance, for FFVI, which, again, is one of the FF's I hear the most being called the best, as it was the LAST 2-d FF... so, henceforth, a great many people missed it). Nothing about anyone's opinions here (unless they're blatantly giving incorrect facts to back their opinions up, or they're straight up telling other people their opinions don't matter) is childish, ignorant, or sour grapes. If anything, I'd challenge that you are in fact those things Bread, and you seem to be, for some reason, personally offended almost that this thread even exist. God forbid we challenge the decisions of the past... I play a great many games, new, and old. Believe me, I'm more than smart enough to know how to put things in their proper perspective... nobodies trying to compare apples and oranges here but you...

ScoopyMcScoop

But you see thats where your wrong. They weren't just the first 3D iterations of popular series. They were the best 3D iterations in their respective genres. Just look at 3D platformers before Super Mario 64 and then afterwards. When one game finally gets it right, yes its garnered with praise and critical acclaim, because it got it right. Yes, the first game to do it with flying colors. You wanna look back and say they were over rated, well go ahead no ones stopping ya, but what they achieved for gaming is why they became so popular. It just so happens that only popular franchises are given the kind of money and time it takes to do a game right.

[QUOTE="ScoopyMcScoop"]

Childish, ignorant, and sour grapes are not things to be confused with me and my post here. Read what I asked again (a great many people didn't read it properly and suppose a great many things about my opinions here). Bread or decide chastises me for asking for opinions and having one myself. I was as respectful as can be to those who respected my own words... yet you come on here with childish, ignorant, and sour grapes? You don't know what childish ignorant and sour grapes, any of those phrases, actually means if you think anyone who's saying "yes scoop, I kinda think, looking back now, maybe these games were overrated because they were the first 3-d iterations of popular series" are those things.

I was merely curious about whether anyone had experienced this phenomena of noticing that a couple key video game series got (possibly) too much acclaim for their first 3-d games in their series, simply because they were the first... (too bad, for instance, for FFVI, which, again, is one of the FF's I hear the most being called the best, as it was the LAST 2-d FF... so, henceforth, a great many people missed it). Nothing about anyone's opinions here (unless they're blatantly giving incorrect facts to back their opinions up, or they're straight up telling other people their opinions don't matter) is childish, ignorant, or sour grapes. If anything, I'd challenge that you are in fact those things Bread, and you seem to be, for some reason, personally offended almost that this thread even exist. God forbid we challenge the decisions of the past... I play a great many games, new, and old. Believe me, I'm more than smart enough to know how to put things in their proper perspective... nobodies trying to compare apples and oranges here but you...

Bread_or_Decide

But you see thats where your wrong. They weren't just the first 3D iterations of popular series. They were the best 3D iterations in their respective genres. Just look at 3D platformers before Super Mario 64 and then afterwards. When one game finally gets it right, yes its garnered with praise and critical acclaim, because it got it right. Yes, the first game to do it with flying colors. You wanna look back and say they were over rated, well go ahead no ones stopping ya, but what they achieved for gaming is why they became so popular. It just so happens that only popular franchises are given the kind of money and time it takes to do a game right.

and yet unknown games without nearly the budget or manpower of big games often surpass those games that supposedly got it "right"

There are just too many rabid fans of each game for there to be any war won against them. It's a shame too because a lot of the FF VII fans refuse to play anything that came before it.foxhound_fox

I have played all Final Fantasy Games before VII, I love V & VI but VII is still more enjoyable and memorable game IMO.

I have never considered either game to be over rated. I loved em both.

For me, VII didn't even look all that great, being 3-D, it looked like poo and looks even worse now. But the cinemas and summons were great! The materia system really left the door open for players to really do what they wanted to with each character. The story, while some may not consider to be all that great now, was awesome and unheard of at that time. The music, the characters, the story... It all came together like magic.

The same can be said for OoT. Sure it was in 3-D but there were so many crappy 3-D games... OoT just did it right! Just like Mario 64, Zelda was like holding magic in your hands when you held that controller. Simple things like having that feeling of true exploration or riding the horse... The rumble pack that rumbled at the appropriate times... etc.

A lot of innovative things were done in both games that really pushed gaming ahead and some of these things are still used in games today. If I find anything over rated it's the 100's of FPS games(especially WWII shooters) we have on shelves today.

VII is far from the best Final Fantasy.

IV > VI > XII > IX > X > V > VII > XI > X-2 > VIII

It comes 7th among Final Fantasy games. It is massively overated.

TheMysticHorse

The fact that you listed XII before any Final Fantasy means you have no experience with what made Final Fantasy a great series. That game was an abomination and a disgrace to the series.

[QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"][QUOTE="ScoopyMcScoop"]

Childish, ignorant, and sour grapes are not things to be confused with me and my post here. Read what I asked again (a great many people didn't read it properly and suppose a great many things about my opinions here). Bread or decide chastises me for asking for opinions and having one myself. I was as respectful as can be to those who respected my own words... yet you come on here with childish, ignorant, and sour grapes? You don't know what childish ignorant and sour grapes, any of those phrases, actually means if you think anyone who's saying "yes scoop, I kinda think, looking back now, maybe these games were overrated because they were the first 3-d iterations of popular series" are those things.

I was merely curious about whether anyone had experienced this phenomena of noticing that a couple key video game series got (possibly) too much acclaim for their first 3-d games in their series, simply because they were the first... (too bad, for instance, for FFVI, which, again, is one of the FF's I hear the most being called the best, as it was the LAST 2-d FF... so, henceforth, a great many people missed it). Nothing about anyone's opinions here (unless they're blatantly giving incorrect facts to back their opinions up, or they're straight up telling other people their opinions don't matter) is childish, ignorant, or sour grapes. If anything, I'd challenge that you are in fact those things Bread, and you seem to be, for some reason, personally offended almost that this thread even exist. God forbid we challenge the decisions of the past... I play a great many games, new, and old. Believe me, I'm more than smart enough to know how to put things in their proper perspective... nobodies trying to compare apples and oranges here but you...

WilliamRLBaker

But you see thats where your wrong. They weren't just the first 3D iterations of popular series. They were the best 3D iterations in their respective genres. Just look at 3D platformers before Super Mario 64 and then afterwards. When one game finally gets it right, yes its garnered with praise and critical acclaim, because it got it right. Yes, the first game to do it with flying colors. You wanna look back and say they were over rated, well go ahead no ones stopping ya, but what they achieved for gaming is why they became so popular. It just so happens that only popular franchises are given the kind of money and time it takes to do a game right.

and yet unknown games without nearly the budget or manpower of big games often surpass those games that supposedly got it "right"

Okay well then name me an RPG and an Action RPG that defined how those genres should be done in 3D before FF VII and Ocarina of Time came out.

Casablanca is sooo overrated.
So is Citizen Kane.

I mean, look at the movies we have now and look at those!
Yep, looking back on it now, those films were way overrated.



:roll:DireToad

Yeah I mean compare Daniel Day Lewis's fictional bio pic in There Will Be Blood to Orson Wells outdated, black and white, fictional bio pic.

I mean..its not like we should acknowledge how one has led the way for the other or anything. Tunnel vision FTW!

I mean look at super mario bros. Garbage. I remember playing pong on Atari and that was just fine.

Casablanca is sooo overrated.
So is Citizen Kane.

I mean, look at the movies we have now and look at those!
Yep, looking back on it now, those films were way overrated.



:roll:DireToad

Citizen Kane was boring, there, I said it...*runs away quickly*

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[QUOTE="DireToad"]Casablanca is sooo overrated.
So is Citizen Kane.

I mean, look at the movies we have now and look at those!
Yep, looking back on it now, those films were way overrated.



:roll:TheSystemLord1

Citizen Kane was boring, there, I said it...*runs away quickly*

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Haha.

I know you're kidding. But man I hate people that don't have the patience or attention span to appreciate something from a different time.

Well theres always people saying popular movies/games overrated.

Imo FFVII is best in series, not the best JRPG though.