Final Fantasy XIII's hate on this board is ridiculously unjust.

I think the linearity is more or less similar to other FF titles, but it's just not disguised at all. Playing FFV shortly after FFXIII and hearing the criticisms of linearity I paid closer attention to how linear the game really was. They were virtually the same as far as dungeon design went; skinny narrow paths with short offshoots leading to treasures. It's just that other games separated maps into different, well, maps. They were also a lot more "zoomed in." FFXIII's maps are basically one giant map with the path laid out fairly obvious for you. It just makes the linearity that the series has always had a lot more obvious.

I also played FFX directly after FFXIII and found it to be even more restrictive. The paths were narrower and the offshoots were fewer. I definitely think that FFXIII could use to be a lot less linear. But I also think that people forgive a lot of other games for being practically if not equally as linear without realizing it.

Edit: Oh and FFXIII has better music than FFX, sunleth aside. That I'm sure of. :)

hakanakumono

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[QUOTE="Crossel777"]

It takes control a way from the player thats a form of dumbing down. Spamming X with the occasional L1 in battles that take about 5 seconds to beat aint my idea of fun. In every other FF combat system I could plan a head. I could select each individual attack, magic spell, Item, summon for all characters. None of this auto battle crap. I was FREE to do whatever I want. This combat system is VERY restrictive.

Ofcourse it's not just combat. Towns have been dumbed down into save points. Really? Barely any NPC interaction and they call this an RPG let alone a JRPG. Vanille is probably the worst aspect of this game. For realz. She narates the frikkin storyline with her incredibly annoying poorly acted voice acting.

110million

That doesn't very well describe FFXIII. In fact, it doesn't sound like you've played the game considering you can select each individual attack as well as magic spells. Auto battle is an optional feature. Furthermore, the only way to use items is to select themselves and summons are one per character. You even have direct control on the attacks the summons perform themselves (when you go into "Gestalt" mode).

On top of that, the complaint about just pressing X in a battle to win isn't a big complaint. What if pushing that X button is fun? In shooters, you hold down the "shoot" button and aim. Simple, never changes, but fun. Just complaining about having to press a button is a bit farfetched IMO. And as you say, some of the harder battles would destroy you if you just mashed the button.

Because of the delay's the ever increasing hype, I can understand how much disappointment there is for FFXIII. It's not at the top of the heap when it comes to FF games and RPGs in general, and I believe that is what many fans were expecting after so long.

Despite all that, I had fun playing the game. The battle system, music, graphics and missions were very well done. I've already forgotten much of the story, which says a lot about how impacting it is. A few of the characters were interesting, but not outstanding.

[QUOTE="110million"][QUOTE="hakanakumono"]

That doesn't very well describe FFXIII. In fact, it doesn't sound like you've played the game considering you can select each individual attack as well as magic spells. Auto battle is an optional feature. Furthermore, the only way to use items is to select themselves and summons are one per character. You even have direct control on the attacks the summons perform themselves (when you go into "Gestalt" mode).

calvinsora

On top of that, the complaint about just pressing X in a battle to win isn't a big complaint. What if pushing that X button is fun? In shooters, you hold down the "shoot" button and aim. Simple, never changes, but fun. Just complaining about having to press a button is a bit farfetched IMO. And as you say, some of the harder battles would destroy you if you just mashed the button.

I don't see why people use the same old excuses for it not being a good game in every thread with FF in it, like "it has melodramatic acting" or "it's so boring that I fall asleep playing it"

Well people complained about FF12 not connecting with the player enough in the main campaign, and I think FF13 totally fixed that giving FF fans one of the best FF experiences( storytelling wise) , also people who complain about it being boring must seriously just be trolling, as this game has the definitive, most flawless, rpg battle system, out of any game out there on the market.

So I propose this to you SW, are you actually 100% serious on your claims of Final Fantasy XIII being a totally lame game, or are you just trolling ? Because for me It's one of the best games I have played in a very long time, and I play alot of games :D

Megaman5364

The story for FF13 is by far the worst part of the game I didn't feel at all connected with any of the characters the dialogue was absolutly chessy and laughbale in some parts . The gameplay was good although it got pretty tiresome fighting enemy after enemy along the corridors of death.I was extremly disapointed.

Its not the best FF but it was still better then FFXII imo.

i really like the gameplay, that's about it. but eventually it gets old fast because all you do is fighting

I felt more connected with the characters in FFVI, thats right little pixel sprites are more interesting than any of these high-def dorky emo characters.. Sazh though, he was pretty good character.

Its not the best FF but it was still better then FFXII imo.

zarshack

FFXIII is the best RPG this gen periodFaintRain

[QUOTE="calvinsora"]

[QUOTE="110million"] I'm starting to think people who say you can mash X through every battle have not played more than an hour or two. :| Not only do you not have to choose auto-battle and you are free to do whatever, but many fights require more than mashing auto-battle, it would get you killed in a ton of fights. Crossel777

On top of that, the complaint about just pressing X in a battle to win isn't a big complaint. What if pushing that X button is fun? In shooters, you hold down the "shoot" button and aim. Simple, never changes, but fun. Just complaining about having to press a button is a bit farfetched IMO. And as you say, some of the harder battles would destroy you if you just mashed the button.

I wasn't comparing the genre, I was comparing the complaint itself. There is decision behind the X button, i.e. what that button will lead to, so it isn't just pressing X for the sake of pressing it. It could lead to magic, item use, tech use, summoning or attack; and mashing X, as I said, is not a valid strategy in the tougher battles. You will need to manually pick most of your moves, auto-attack isn't an option. Anyway, if one doesn't like auto-attack, then don't use it. It's like the gambit system in FFXII, I barely ever used it myself in the first playthrough.

Personally, of the FFs, I felt FFXIII had the least emphasis on pushing X. In the older ones (especially the turn-based ones) you had to press X for all of the characters for every single move.

[QUOTE="FaintRain"]FFXIII is the best RPG this gen periodbigboss5ak

[QUOTE="bigboss5ak"][QUOTE="FaintRain"]FFXIII is the best RPG this gen periodzarshack

I agree with that :D

yep it sure is unfair, now for anyone that wants to enjoy the game let me give you a free strat guide.

to win hold the left stick forward and press X till done.

yep it sure is unfair, now for anyone that wants to enjoy the game let me give you a free strat guide.

to win hold the left stick forward and press X till done.

Riverwolf007

One would die really quick if that advice was followed :?

[QUOTE="bigboss5ak"][QUOTE="FaintRain"]FFXIII is the best RPG this gen periodzarshack

[QUOTE="bigboss5ak"][QUOTE="FaintRain"]FFXIII is the best RPG this gen periodzarshack

[QUOTE="zarshack"]

[QUOTE="bigboss5ak"] Lets not get ahead of oursleves now there is a nifty little title called lost odysseybigboss5ak

I've never seen Disgaea overrated, though. I'd say it's a thoroughly overlooked game, at least Disgaea 3. Demon's Souls is awesome, IMO, and I'm no cow.

[QUOTE="FaintRain"]FFXIII is the best RPG this gen periodbigboss5ak

And Demon's Souls. :D

[QUOTE="zarshack"]

[QUOTE="bigboss5ak"] Lets not get ahead of oursleves now there is a nifty little title called lost odysseybigboss5ak

I think it's justified.

The levels are to linear and WAY to drawn out to be any sort of fun. I'm at about 21 hours in and the levels just seem to drag on forever in a grind of useless battles. Each battle bearly effects the next as character stats aren't persistant. The combat system itself ended up being way to shallow just to look flashy. A lot of that game is just long, boring bloat that really ruins the experiance.

Hell the game is bearly an 8.0 in my book.

About 3 Hours into the game, I just couldn't handle the torture anymore. It was mind numbing boring. Traded it back to Gamestop

Great graphics, music and combat system.

What annoys me the most is... (NOT the linearity,though that still is bad) the lack of character development and... well below average story and the final boss fight was flat out bad. And the ending... Ugh!

Oh and Snow :evil:

Am sure that the next Final Fantasy will take on board the issues with this one..
Like the grinding and linear play and lack of exploration.

Even still, people are nit picking on small details.
The game looks GORGEOUS and is still worth playing for OLD and NEW Final Fantasy fans.

The art and designs really are brilliant.

it was linear , no doubt about it, alot of times it felt like you were walking down corridors, someone here mentioned that FF5 was also linear, it was just better disguised, the thing is, FF13 isn't on a cartridge with a few Megabytes of storage, its on a blu ray , and I would assume the budget for FF13 was much , much higher, so one would expect bigger worlds.Darkman2007

This is a good point actually. the devs admitted to making it more linear than the map design originally was so players wouldn't get "lost" (or something like this). What a load of crap.

Well people complained about FF12 not connecting with the player enough in the main campaignMegaman5364

people who complain about it being boring must seriously just be trollingMegaman5364

I heard the combat sucks ass. I have high interests in the game and i wish there was a demo so i could try it before buying (cant rent games so)

Can someone post a vid which fully explains the battle system or anything like that so i could understand it without having played the game?

I heard the combat sucks ass. I have high interests in the game and i wish there was a demo so i could try it before buying (cant rent games so)

Can someone post a vid which fully explains the battle system or anything like that so i could understand it without having played the game?

MassiveKaos

Watch longplay at YouTube :) but combat sitem evolves slowly durning few fisrt chepters

I agree. In no way does it look bad enough to deserve all the hate it recieves. But hey, popular games are always targets.

Good game, just not as good as other FF's. Story was interesting, but not the best. Lore was great, but the characters (for the most part) were a little dissapointing.

I liked FFXIII very much i think it's most beautiful game this gen. For those who complain, there Versus coming that gameplay already looks much more open

All you do is fight, walk and watch a cutscene. It gets so repetitive. I haven't completed it yet, but as soon as got to that bit where the world opens up, I got bored.

Well, I didn't necessarily get bored. What actually happened was I continued to follow the story marker and got to a boss that killed me in 5 seconds. So I went online only to find out the boss is nigh on impossible to beat unless you grind levels to max your characters at that point.

And to be honest, I can't be ****ed.

This game was terrible it deserves all the hate it reecieves.

I agree. In no way does it look bad enough to deserve all the hate it recieves. But hey, popular games are always targets.

Guppy507

No it is not unjust. Square is asking a lot out of players to invest 20-25 hours of their time before they can do an actual side quest or explore a world. It's a great game after that threshold, but before it is only at decent-good status.

Its not the best FF but it was still better then FFXII imo.

zarshack

Agree plus FFX-2.

As usual the poll is disingenuously worded. Where is the option for "Absolutely hate it".

It's got a stupid story, it's more linear than any game of its type before, the characters are terrible and the levelling up system is a one way road and totally and utterly useless. It may as well do it for you. Boring, long winded, pretentious and dull. Apart from that, great.

[QUOTE="Guppy507"]

I agree. In no way does it look bad enough to deserve all the hate it recieves. But hey, popular games are always targets.

mystic_knight

Indeed, even the 1.0 reviews I've read say that the game at least looks amazing. I think most people have justified reasons for not liking it if that's their fancy, it's just that not everyone decides to explain it in a way that isn't in someway "inflammatory". Same can be said about people on the other side.

As usual the poll is disingenuously worded. Where is the option for "Absolutely hate it".

It's got a stupid story, it's more linear than any game of its type before, the characters are terrible and the levelling up system is a one way road and totally and utterly useless. It may as well do it for you. Boring, long winded, pretentious and dull. Apart from that, great.

Chemical_Viking

"it's more linear than any game of its type before"

Chemical_Viking

This I don't quite get. FFX is far more linear than FFXIII (though I liked FFX far more as well). At least in FFXIII, you have Gran Pulse.