Finally, PC is technically defeated (maybe for awhile) -From a PC elitist.

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#1 Ravenchrome
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I am referring to this footage.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Shch7LNkVXw

What do you think?

I think no PC games has rendered the same level of graphics yet.

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#2 dommeus
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It is a tech demo, so it doesn't really count. Remember the impressive PS2 tech demo with the ducks in the bath? No game ever really utilised any of that.

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#3 epicstory
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I really don't see how you came to this conclusion from a minute clip that doesn't really show anything.

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#4 xhawk27
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Hahahaha good joke dude. I think you should see the Tech demos for the HD 6990 and 590GTX.
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#5 D1zzyCriminal
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A PC gamer could respond with "The Samaritan" tech demo Epic made. Its a tech demo and only shows half the story.

While I am looking forward to see what the Wii U can do, im waiting for some real gameplay.

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#6 Sollet
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I am referring to this footage.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Shch7LNkVXw

What do you think?

I think no PC games has rendered the same level of graphics yet.

Ravenchrome
If you think a "tech demo" from dated hardware (most likely) looks better than anything the PC can render yer not a "PC elitist". Anyways, no just no.
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#7 Inconsistancy
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Samaritan Tech demo says hi :D (since we're measuring with tech demos apparently)

Blast, someone said it before me! Anyway, a ton of tech demos are pretty as hell, but unusable in games. We still don't use the awesome hair that nvidia tech demo's have had for ~a century.

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#8 deactivated-5cf4b2c19c4ab
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On tech demo levels that is pretty meh.
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#9 edidili
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Shouldn't we wait till a game is out to judge it? Are we going with hyping trailers from the companies now?

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#10 XenogearsMaster
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Not really the best looking graphics.
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#11 OreoMilkshake
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I wish it was a real game though.

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#12 SamiRDuran
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haha you need to check some pc tech demos your jaw will drop.
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#14 C_Rule
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I am referring to this footage.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Shch7LNkVXw

What do you think?

I think no PC games has rendered the same level of graphics yet.

Ravenchrome
Oh sh*t, my trolldar just broke.
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#16 coreybg
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You got it all wrong guys! His argument is valid because he said he's a PC gamer!!!

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#17 Ravenchrome
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A pc elitist wouldn't say this.TheGuardian03
I am, and I am with a condescending view of consoles. (sub HD twins)

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#18 PernicioEnigma
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Firstly, that's a tech demo, so it's not a good representation of how games will look running on the system. Secondly, there're Pc games that look better than that, never mind tech demos...

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#19 Bebi_vegeta
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You got it all wrong guys! His argument is valid because he said he's a PC gamer!!!

coreybg

No, he's a PC elitist... But, for some funny reason, forgot Crytek tech demo...

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#20 PernicioEnigma
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[QUOTE="coreybg"]

You got it all wrong guys! His argument is valid because he said he's a PC gamer!!!

Bebi_vegeta

No, he's a PC elitist... But, for some funny reason, forgot Crytek tech demo...

forget their tech demo, Crysis with the right mods is all it takes.
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#21 SapSacPrime
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Ughh I knew it would be something like this when I saw your name... does anybody remember that really sweet tech demo for the GC prior to launch? we never saw anything like it in actually gameplay. Anyway Im pretty sure that could be done on my pc, it was very impressive but if current hardware was well optimised it could be done.

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#22 SRTtoZ
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LOL! That doesnt even look as good as the classic Chameleon nvidia demo.

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#23 wooooode
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[QUOTE="Sollet"][QUOTE="Ravenchrome"]

I am referring to this footage.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Shch7LNkVXw

What do you think?

I think no PC games has rendered the same level of graphics yet.

If you think a "tech demo" from dated hardware (most likely) looks better than anything the PC can render yer not a "PC elitist". Anyways, no just no.

Dated hardware is a little harsh but I can agree for the most part. I love the look of Zelda in the little demo though.
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#24 osan0
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well...well....no. its very pretty mind. but if were now talking tech demos then things like 3Dmark11 mop the floor with it. i was just looking at the deep sea demo in that again. simply sublime.
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#25 XenoNinja
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agree! finally the Wii has been surpassed in terms of graphical performance.
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#26 deactivated-635525971e920
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This is obviously a tech demo, and although it looks good, I can't help but feel that this is something that could have been shown as a tech demo for older PC GPUs.

And maybe that's not strange, considering the GPU of the WiiU (formerly Café) was supposed to be a Radeon HD 48xx equivalent, which is indeed a three year old card.

It looks good and all, but I think you should watch the tech demos made for current high-end GPUs before you jump the gun.

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#27 NoodleFighter
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Nope hasn't been defeated like the other guy that new Unreal Engine Tech demo rapes the WiiUs one then again for a console it looks pretty damn good I wouldn't mind getting a console port from it.

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#28 sleepingzzz
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Remember all the Crytec 3 demos?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rD9oVWOBFbs&feature=fvsr

If only a game could have visuals anywhere near that.

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#29 DreamCryotank
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BF3 and the UE4 Samaritan demo looks better than that....
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#30 KalDurenik
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damn... thats not very good... Lots of blur, super low AA, lots of textures that are plain bad. And this was a tech demo O.o... I have seen better.
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#31 DragonfireXZ95
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That looks like crap. :?
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#32 slothboyadvance
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I can't believe this thread exists.

Listen: PC's have and always will be the pinnacle of graphical capabilities.

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#33 deactivated-635601fd996cc
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First of all, OP, you're not a PC elitist. Infact you're usually the one who attacks the platform to stand out from the crowd and pretend to be unique. But putting that aside, that TECH DEMO, looked rubbish.
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#34 alexandros1313
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Witcher 2 looks much better than this even on medium-powered PCs. I don't see anything impressive in that video to be honest.

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#35 PC_Otter
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The tech demo looked good, but it's nothing beyond a reasonable graphics card like a Radoen 5670 or so. If you look in the distance in some shots, you can see shadows have been removed after a certain distance to ease up on the LOD.

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#36 DragonfireXZ95
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First of all, OP, you're not a PC elitist. Infact you're usually the one who attacks the platform to stand out from the crowd and pretend to be unique. But putting that aside, that TECH DEMO, looked rubbish. ocstew
Yeah, I'm fairly certain I saw him bashing the PC numerous times...
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#37 ManicAce
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For a tech demo it's nothing we haven't seen before. Still, I wouldn't be surprised if WiiU gets the graphics king at least for a little while, it might not be as powerful as the latest PC but it's more likely to get a game fully optimized for it.
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#38 DragonfireXZ95
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For a tech demo it's nothing we haven't seen before. Still, I wouldn't be surprised if WiiU gets the graphics king at least for a little while, it might not be as powerful as the latest PC but it's more likely to get a game fully optimized for it.ManicAce
It won't get a graphics king.
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#39 PC_Otter
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[QUOTE="ManicAce"]For a tech demo it's nothing we haven't seen before. Still, I wouldn't be surprised if WiiU gets the graphics king at least for a little while, it might not be as powerful as the latest PC but it's more likely to get a game fully optimized for it.DragonfireXZ95
It won't get a graphics king.

Probably not, but depending on what it has for a GPU, we could see some graphics at 720p that are consistent with many PC games at 1080p. However, I think Nintendo is pushing the system to render 1920 x 1080 native instead of 720p like the other two systems. At least, that's the impression I got from Reggie.
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#40 BlbecekBobecek
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Samaritan Tech demo says hi :D (since we're measuring with tech demos apparently)

Blast, someone said it before me! Anyway, a ton of tech demos are pretty as hell, but unusable in games. We still don't use the awesome hair that nvidia tech demo's have had for ~a century.

Inconsistancy

The difference between this footage and PC tech demos is that we might be able to see this level of graphics in actual games. Noone will develop a PC game that would work on 580gtx only, because it wouldnt sell enough copies. But when every single Wii U is capable of this, games can be easily optimised to look this good. I mean - remember Killzone 2 footage that wowed everyone in 2005? Killzone 2 actually looked better than that.

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#41 Inconsistancy
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[QUOTE="Inconsistancy"]

Samaritan Tech demo says hi :D (since we're measuring with tech demos apparently)

Blast, someone said it before me! Anyway, a ton of tech demos are pretty as hell, but unusable in games. We still don't use the awesome hair that nvidia tech demo's have had for ~a century.

BlbecekBobecek

The difference between this footage and PC tech demos is that we might be able to see this level of graphics in actual games. Noone will develop a PC game that would work on 580gtx only, because it wouldnt sell enough copies. But when every single Wii U is capable of this, games can be easily optimised to look this good. I mean - remember Killzone 2 footage that wowed everyone in 2005? Killzone 2 actually looked better than that.

Well, they can always put in graphics options, plenty of people wont be maxing BF3, there's no reason Samaritan has to be so pretty for everybody.
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#42 Vesica_Prime
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I came in expecting my mind to be blown.

I left disappointed.

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#43 deactivated-635601fd996cc
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[QUOTE="BlbecekBobecek"]

[QUOTE="Inconsistancy"]

Samaritan Tech demo says hi :D (since we're measuring with tech demos apparently)

Blast, someone said it before me! Anyway, a ton of tech demos are pretty as hell, but unusable in games. We still don't use the awesome hair that nvidia tech demo's have had for ~a century.

Inconsistancy

The difference between this footage and PC tech demos is that we might be able to see this level of graphics in actual games. Noone will develop a PC game that would work on 580gtx only, because it wouldnt sell enough copies. But when every single Wii U is capable of this, games can be easily optimised to look this good. I mean - remember Killzone 2 footage that wowed everyone in 2005? Killzone 2 actually looked better than that.

Well, they can always put in graphics options, plenty of people wont be maxing BF3, there's no reason Samaritan has to be so pretty for everybody.

Graphics options are a pain to implement. If you're coding for one level, than you can be assured that every single game out there will look at its peak. But with multiple settings, you will have to disable crucial aspects of the graphics that might need a lot of work to have switched off and still have the game looking as expected.
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#44 Mystery_Writer
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real-time translucency capabilities (the effect that was pushed a lot in that demo) was available in nVidia & ATi demos for some years now. I don't see how a tech demo could represent the quality of the games that would come up later on for the console.
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#45 ronvalencia
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I am referring to this footage.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Shch7LNkVXw

What do you think?

I think no PC games has rendered the same level of graphics yet.

Ravenchrome

More games optimised towards AMD Radeon HD.

AMD Radeon HD 4870 tech demo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BzquM5Td6bM&feature=related

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#46 marcl18123
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If your including tech demos, have you not seen the Samaritan tech demo from Epic? plus tech demos dont equal actual gameplay.
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#47 KungfuKitten
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It's a tech demo. And I didn't see it in its full resolution glory. But place it next to Battlefield 3 ingame footage, and it's not defeating it per se.
And look at the size of that box. I keep saying that because it's telling us something.
Unless they found magic essence that box is either going to be absolutely ridiculously expensive and powerful or going to be a bit expensive and a mini-360 mini-ps3.

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#48 ronvalencia
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It's a tech demo. And I didn't see it in its full resolution glory. But place it next to Battlefield 3 ingame footage, and it's not defeating it per se.
And look at the size of that box. I keep saying that because it's telling us something.
Unless they found magic essence that box is either going to be absolutely ridiculously expensive and powerful or going to be a bit expensive and a mini-360 mini-ps3.

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E3 2011's: The Legend of Zelda HD Trailer at 1920x1080p http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pEGcKM7sCpIhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=arHNcSMXaBk

Devil May Cry 4 PC on AMD Radeon HD 4670(via ViDock) at 1920x1200p http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qE5NmURV5P8

The existing40nm R700GPU part is Radeon HD 4770 (640 SPs).

Crysis PC on AMD Radeon HD 4770 at 1920x1080p http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QHxTTh96Kh4

Lost Planet 2 PC (maxed details)on AMD Radeon HD 4770 at 1920x1080p http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HahTFIX1M4o

http://www.fudzilla.com/graphics/item/23000-new-nintendo-wii-u-has-amd-radeon

According to Fudzilla, AMD may have another design win for Sony's next console. There's a tight integration between IBM, AMD and GoFlo.

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#49 nameless12345
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Unfortunatley that's just a tech demo. If it were a game it would be mighty impressive.

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#50 abuabed
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On tech demo levels that is pretty meh.ferret-gamer
Exactly, sadly some people don't seem to ever understand that.