Finally Reach comes to PC. Thank you XIM3.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HgRxBwgvPUk

granted no where near the smooth/precise feeling of a game developed for the mouse.....but works pretty well. Yeah yeah...I know,.....it's "cheating".

Honestly didn't see the difference. :?

I'm a bit confused as to what the XIM3 is exactly.

I'm a bit confused as to what the XIM3 is exactly.

theuncharted34

I'm a bit confused as to what the XIM3 is exactly.

theuncharted34

Terrible news. It's like pitting paraolympic 100m sprinters against Usain Bolt (although the guy in the video is terrible).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HgRxBwgvPUk

granted no where near the smooth/precise feeling of a game developed for the mouse.....but works pretty well. Yeah yeah...I know,.....it's "cheating".

lespaul1919

takes it easy lol, it was my first day. (still won every game lol)

not only first day on XIM, but first day on reach since the month it came out. give me two weeks and it'll be a whole different ballgame.

Simply awesome. Desire to FPS MP on console with XIM rising!

Hmmm ... actually, now I could play console shooters ... is the auto-aim still on when you use XIM? That is my biggest problem with console shooters, it feels like the game "grabs" the cursor and moves it for you; very annoying.

[QUOTE="lespaul1919"]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HgRxBwgvPUk

granted no where near the smooth/precise feeling of a game developed for the mouse.....but works pretty well. Yeah yeah...I know,.....it's "cheating".

chaplainDMK

that joke go over your head?

it's the closest thing we'll ever get to it....so I'm taking it.

takes it easy lol, it was my first day. (still won every game lol)

not only first day on XIM, but first day on reach since the month it came out. give me two weeks and it'll be a whole different ballgame.

lespaul1919

Loved the double sniper shot as those guys jumped off the platform.

PWN those noobs up!

Simply awesome. Desire to FPS MP on console with XIM rising!

Hmmm ... actually, now I could play console shooters ... is the auto-aim still on when you use XIM? That is my biggest problem with console shooters, it feels like the game "grabs" the cursor and moves it for you; very annoying.

haberman13

Stick to PC shooters.

LOL @ the video comments!

I need every advantage I can get in Black Ops. (due to lag, bad hit detection, host advantage, etc). This should help. :D I need to order this thing. I don't care if it's fair or not. :D

Honestly didn't see the difference. :?

MobilechicaneX

Look at his turning speed. Controllers can't do that so fast + so accurately.

I don't care if it's fair or not.

Doolz2024

Mouse = eye movement

Controller = moving a crane, in a very tight spot, with your foreman yelling at you to hurry up

LOL @ the video comments!

Espada12

I wonder who wrote those?

[QUOTE="Doolz2024"]

I don't care if it's fair or not.

lowe0

kind of a bummer to think that from now on there will never be an even playing field in online gaming and who wins comes down to what add ons are avalible for sale.

[QUOTE="lowe0"]

[QUOTE="Doolz2024"]

I don't care if it's fair or not.

Doolz2024

[QUOTE="Espada12"]

LOL @ the video comments!

Thefatness16

I wonder who wrote those?

TheLembot! Whoever that is! Oh man and they are still going lol

[QUOTE="Doolz2024"]

I don't care if it's fair or not.

lowe0

Agreed, but in this instance I just see it in the same way a PC gamer would buy a 2000dpi mouse vs a ball mouse.

It's not cheating IMO, just using what is available. Same for any sport/activity, better golf clubs, better tuning on a car, better paintball equipment etc.

Unless XIM3 is a licensed product it's a cheat. Yes wheels are add-ons but they are licensed, just like arcade sticks or even (are they still around?) flight sticks. Anything else is just a cheat.

[QUOTE="Doolz2024"][QUOTE="lowe0"] The problem with our society, ladies and gentlemen.

lowe0

kind of a bummer to think that from now on there will never be an even playing field in online gaming and who wins comes down to what add ons are avalible for sale.

Riverwolf007

To be honest there never was equal playing field when it came to online gaming. Varying internet connection made sure of that.

[QUOTE="Riverwolf007"]

kind of a bummer to think that from now on there will never be an even playing field in online gaming and who wins comes down to what add ons are avalible for sale.

Espada12

To be honest there never was equal playing field when it came to online gaming. Varying internet connection made sure of that.

Although turn-based games do get rid of that.

[QUOTE="lowe0"]

[QUOTE="Doolz2024"]

I don't care if it's fair or not.

haberman13

Agreed, but in this instance I just see it in the same way a PC gamer would buy a 2000dpi mouse vs a ball mouse.

It's not cheating IMO, just using what is available. Same for any sport/activity, better golf clubs, better tuning on a car, better paintball equipment etc.

Your opinion doesn't really matter in this case, because it's cheating regardless of it. The fact that the software (Halo) doesn't even support the hardware input, and you need it to have its own software to calibrate the mouse, is enough proof of this.

Honestly? I hope Microsoft allows its usage, that way we'll get games already set up for it. If Microsoft doesn't do it, I just hope it bans people who use XIM3 and other scale-tippers.

[QUOTE="Thefatness16"]

[QUOTE="Espada12"]

LOL @ the video comments!

Espada12

I wonder who wrote those?

TheLembot! Whoever that is! Oh man and they are still going lol

This guy ridiculous

[QUOTE="lowe0"][QUOTE="Doolz2024"]Do you have a problem?Doolz2024

[QUOTE="haberman13"]

[QUOTE="lowe0"] The problem with our society, ladies and gentlemen.

TehOverkill

Agreed, but in this instance I just see it in the same way a PC gamer would buy a 2000dpi mouse vs a ball mouse.

It's not cheating IMO, just using what is available. Same for any sport/activity, better golf clubs, better tuning on a car, better paintball equipment etc.

Your opinion doesn't really matter in this case, because it's cheating regardless of it. The fact that the software (Halo) doesn't even support the hardware input, and you need it to have its own software to calibrate the mouse, is enough proof of this.

Honestly? I hope Microsoft allows its usage, that way we'll get games already set up for it. If Microsoft doesn't do it, I just hope it bans people who use XIM3 and other scale-tippers.

Why is it cheating regardless? How is it any different than buying a different controller, better internet or larger TV?

The fact that Halo is XIM agnostic is irrelevant, until MS declares its cheating/bannable offense then I see nothing wrong with it. Just using the tech thats available.

[QUOTE="TehOverkill"]

[QUOTE="haberman13"]

Agreed, but in this instance I just see it in the same way a PC gamer would buy a 2000dpi mouse vs a ball mouse.

It's not cheating IMO, just using what is available. Same for any sport/activity, better golf clubs, better tuning on a car, better paintball equipment etc.

Your opinion doesn't really matter in this case, because it's cheating regardless of it. The fact that the software (Halo) doesn't even support the hardware input, and you need it to have its own software to calibrate the mouse, is enough proof of this.

Honestly? I hope Microsoft allows its usage, that way we'll get games already set up for it. If Microsoft doesn't do it, I just hope it bans people who use XIM3 and other scale-tippers.

Why is it cheating regardless? How is it any different than buying a different controller, better internet or larger TV?

The fact that Halo is XIM agnostic is irrelevant, until MS declares its cheating/bannable offense then I see nothing wrong with it.

It's not cheating IMO, just using what is available.haberman13

[QUOTE="haberman13"]

lowkey254

Really? This is an MS policy?

Sorry, I'm a 360 noob, play on PC primarily; but I'm a huge fan of this, it adds mouse support to console games; controllers being my primarily deterent from playing console FPS.

[QUOTE="TehOverkill"]

[QUOTE="haberman13"]

Agreed, but in this instance I just see it in the same way a PC gamer would buy a 2000dpi mouse vs a ball mouse.

It's not cheating IMO, just using what is available. Same for any sport/activity, better golf clubs, better tuning on a car, better paintball equipment etc.

haberman13

Your opinion doesn't really matter in this case, because it's cheating regardless of it. The fact that the software (Halo) doesn't even support the hardware input, and you need it to have its own software to calibrate the mouse, is enough proof of this.

Honestly? I hope Microsoft allows its usage, that way we'll get games already set up for it. If Microsoft doesn't do it, I just hope it bans people who use XIM3 and other scale-tippers.

Why is it cheating regardless? How is it any different than buying a different controller, better internet or larger TV?

The fact that Halo is XIM agnostic is irrelevant, until MS declares its cheating/bannable offense then I see nothing wrong with it. Just using the tech thats available.

It isn't licensed by Microsoft. And, supposing that doesn't convince you, you've got to have a s****y definition of fairplay if you're taking a Keyboard + Mouse against people using controllers. It's not their fault you can't use the licensed tool.

[QUOTE="haberman13"]It's not cheating IMO, just using what is available.Doolz2024

This idea exists in almost every single competitive hobby - people tweak/upgrade etc. to get slight advantages. Its huge in PC gaming, and frankly I would love if it came to consoles.

[QUOTE="Doolz2024"]

[QUOTE="lowe0"] I do, and I think I expressed it pretty clearly.lowe0

Oh, and spare the petty attempts at indirect insults. Implying that I lack character or integrity because I'm considering purchasing a legal product is pretty pathetic.

[QUOTE="haberman13"]

[QUOTE="TehOverkill"]

Your opinion doesn't really matter in this case, because it's cheating regardless of it. The fact that the software (Halo) doesn't even support the hardware input, and you need it to have its own software to calibrate the mouse, is enough proof of this.

Honestly? I hope Microsoft allows its usage, that way we'll get games already set up for it. If Microsoft doesn't do it, I just hope it bans people who use XIM3 and other scale-tippers.

TehOverkill

Why is it cheating regardless? How is it any different than buying a different controller, better internet or larger TV?

The fact that Halo is XIM agnostic is irrelevant, until MS declares its cheating/bannable offense then I see nothing wrong with it. Just using the tech thats available.

It isn't licensed by Microsoft. And, supposing that doesn't convince you, you've got to have a s****y definition of fairplay if you're taking a Keyboard + Mouse against people using controllers. It's not their fault you can't use the licensed tool.

XIM might be the impetus for consoles to become more like PC - until then consoles are stuck with auto-aim and fake competition with artificial limitations.

XIM frees up the controller limitation, and makes "twitch" skills the most determinate factor. With a controller the key skill is "spray-n-pray".

[QUOTE="lowe0"][QUOTE="Doolz2024"]Oh, so you're mad because I might buy this thing? Ok. Seems like something you shouldn't even be worrying about, but ok.

Doolz2024

Oh, and spare the petty attempts at indirect insults. Implying that I lack character or integrity because I'm considering purchasing a legal product is pretty pathetic.

Doolz2024

[QUOTE="TehOverkill"]

[QUOTE="haberman13"]

Why is it cheating regardless? How is it any different than buying a different controller, better internet or larger TV?

The fact that Halo is XIM agnostic is irrelevant, until MS declares its cheating/bannable offense then I see nothing wrong with it. Just using the tech thats available.

haberman13

It isn't licensed by Microsoft. And, supposing that doesn't convince you, you've got to have a s****y definition of fairplay if you're taking a Keyboard + Mouse against people using controllers. It's not their fault you can't use the licensed tool.

XIM might be the impetus for consoles to become more like PC - until then consoles are stuck with auto-aim and fake competition with artificial limitations.

XIM frees up the controller limitation, and makes "twitch" skills the most determinate factor. With a controller the key skill is "spray-n-pray".

Go watch a Pro match of Halo: Reach and then we'll talk again. In any case, the key-skill to being a good controller-wielding FPS player is to know how to strafe and mantain your gun leveled. Of course, if you actually bothered learning how to use a controller, you'd know that.

Regarding your previous post, going from a controller to a mouse/keyboard isn't a tweak or upgrade. It's a change. It's different from a race where you have Lamborghinis, Ferraris and Mercedes. It's taking a gun to a knife-fight, or racing a bicycle with a motorcycle. Evidently that the difference isn't as large as the example cited, but it's still not the same thing.

XIM frees up the controller limitation, and makes "twitch" skills the most determinate factor. With a controller the key skill is "spray-n-pray".

haberman13

This is technically cheating and could you get you banned from Xbox Live.

I was hoping that Reach would actually be on PC so that it would be able to run at its full potential.

I own all consoles including a gaming rig. When i'm on pc i use M+KB but when i'm on a console i use the pad, The thing is I am really good at games and dont need a KB+M on my xbox to domminate :).

[QUOTE="Doolz2024"]

Oh, and spare the petty attempts at indirect insults. Implying that I lack character or integrity because I'm considering purchasing a legal product is pretty pathetic.

lowe0

[QUOTE="lowe0"][QUOTE="Doolz2024"]

Oh, and spare the petty attempts at indirect insults. Implying that I lack character or integrity because I'm considering purchasing a legal product is pretty pathetic.

I like the video, interesting. What the **** are those guys on about in the comments? :PRavensmash

Me :D