Finally some steam sales figures ( more than 300000 copies of Fallout NV sold )

[QUOTE="True_Gamer_"][QUOTE="sakuragi007"]

Don't worry buddy, I understand that after expending 3000$ of your hard earned cash you have to somehow justify all this situation, you can still buy half life 1, my father told me it was a AAA the century before.

sakuragi007

Somebody told me that they have to put mods to even make that game playable, I mean you must have programming skills to even play this game, That right there is the best the pc can come with. The numbers speak for themselves, you can't hide with DD sales anymore.

[QUOTE="TerrorRizzing"][QUOTE="sakuragi007"]

Tthose numbers are terrible. New vegas in xbox alone sold in the millions, millions vs 300000, Pc is dead. Half life 1 is even in their top 10, I guess they don't even have new games to buy. Most of them are pirates anyway, I guess buying a 3000$ alienware system don't leave much to buy games.

The debate is over pc gaming is no longer relevant, 73 m $ is not even worth mentioning.

sakuragi007

Don't worry buddy, I understand that after expending 3000$ of your hard earned cash you have to somehow justify all this situation, you can still buy half life 1, my father told me it was a AAA the century before.

These are estimates from Forecasting and Analyzing Digital Entertainment (FADE). I'm interested to know how they estimated this information, and whether it was based on things such as surveys etc.

Okay PC nuts show me some spin work on how your great platform still sells more games than consoles.

Okay PC nuts show me some spin work on how your great platform still sells more games than consoles.

Vambran

Who cares so long as all platforms remain viable (which they are)? Anyway, these are simply estimates.

You also may want to refrain from derogatory language, as it just comes across as rather simple.

I buy them retail especially Black Ops, steam was £10 more... so DD aint always cheaper, just means even more profit for Steam.

Okay PC nuts show me some spin work on how your great platform still sells more games than consoles.

Vambran

Wow, I thought sales would be much higher. :|

[QUOTE="AdrianWerner"]

Very nice numbers. With revenue split like it is it;s no wonder devs are flocking to Steam

GeneralShowzer

Oh God, we've seen this thing happen a thousand times and people still fall for it. Someone takes a guess at how much sales Steam has, then people take these numbers as granted and run with them. A few days later someone from Valve debunks said numbers because they never ever release sales data and the whole thing blows over.

Seriously, the word "estimated" is repeated like 200 times in the announcement. These guys are a part of VGChartz, ffs! Here, you want to know is Steam is successful or not, read this:

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2010-09-07-total-annihilation-creator-backs-the-pc

But really, the fact that retail stores are trying to force publishers to drop Steamworks because it's killing their sales should tell you everything you need to know.

Reading the press release I noticed that

- the director of the research firm doesn't make the disctinction between HL2 and HL2: DM

- they calculate the revenue based on the US standard price, while the rest of the world is raped by unfair currency politics

- there's no mention of super-duper special editions of any game, although they were constantly in the top-selling list

- if the numbers are accurate, then 90% of the buyers don't play discounted games like DogFighter and Frontlines

Baranga

"2. Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 - Resurgence Pack (Activision) - 228,000 Units ($7.49)"
I though PC fanboys dont buy ripoff DLC like consolites?

Harisemo

:D HEHEHEHEH Made my day love it.

[QUOTE="Harisemo"]

"2. Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 - Resurgence Pack (Activision) - 228,000 Units ($7.49)"
I though PC fanboys dont buy ripoff DLC like consolites?

jwsoul

:D HEHEHEHEH Made my day love it.

Wow guys... Another "someone estimates" therefore its true. Guess what, this is just another American estimating group such as the NPD estimating only USD numbers.

Maybe people should actually find out about these "research" groups (or apparently 2 men in this case). This is the first time I have ever heard of "FADE" (Forecasting and Analyzing Digital Entertainment, LLC) and upon reading their webpage, I don't see any information how they accurately got these numbers their pulling out. Their "clients" do not include steam and they do not explain how they form conclusion on numbers. To me, they seem very sketchy. Atleast NPD has stated they have to do survey's as there is no appropriate way to track data on DD. I find it extremely hard to believe FADE has somehow found another way.

This just proves without a doubt what everyone should already know, multiplats nearly always sell much better on consoles than pc...Im a pc gamer and this is just obvious to me. I really hate when retail sales numbers are released, and pc games sell very poor, the hardcore pc guys on this forum point to steam as if the game will sell millions there when in reality steam perhaps equals the retail sales. Very few pc games it seems sell more than a millions copies nowadys which is sad.

Actually this suggests that the PC is selling quite well compared to the consoles.

Fallout NV

Yes, bethesda announced that they had *SHIPPED* 5 million units. No one ever talked about how many of those had been sold. However in an Article Gamespot sites the Fallout NV sales numbers on the X360 as being 679.000 for October:

"Bethesda Softworks has already touted Fallout: New Vegas' 5 million-units-shipped milestone, and NPD also declared the game a sales winner. Achieving second place on the multiplatform chart, New Vegas also boasted the top-selling single SKU title during the month, with the Xbox 360 version selling 679,000 units, according to NPD." (Link)

Now, with steam selling 308.000 units and steam being 80% of of the DD market that makes up and estimated 60% of the PC game retail market, we'd be looking at: 308/80*100 = 385.000 DD sales. For both DD and Retail: 385/60 * 100 = 641.000.

So the X360 sold 679.000 copies while the PC sold an estimated 641.000 copies.

While it's likely that the PC gamers favored DD and espcially steam versions of the game, it still shows that the PC sales were far from poor. In fact they were not too far from the sales on the X360 (that sold the most copies).

Revenue

I think the more interesting number is the 73 million in revenues. Consoles generated 605 million in software sales in october. That's for all consoles: X360, PS3, Wii, PSP and DSi. 73 million might not seem that impressive but....

Consider that steam holds an estimated 80% of the Direct DD market, that would equate to 91.25 Million in DD revenues on the PC.

Now consider that DD is estimated to be around 50-60% of the PC retail market, you'd be looking at a revenue of 152 Million for PC games sales (at 60%). So this would indicate that the PC platform is again generating more than it's fair share of the revenue generated from game sales.

Now the real kicker here is that while the PC is probably generating less revenue than the X360 in sales (though still more than most of the consoles), those numbers dosent take the huge subscription, add driven or micro transaction driven games into account. If you were to figure in the revenue from World of Warcraft alone, more than 10 million subscribers and a monthly cost of $15 would result in the PC generating far more revenue than any platform out there. If you really want to rock the boat, toss in the revenues from Facebook games like Farmville and micro transaction based games like Freerealms, Dungeons and Dragons online and Lord of the Rings online and the PC is actually the big boy on the block.

This just proves without a doubt what everyone should already know, multiplats nearly always sell much better on consoles than pc...Im a pc gamer and this is just obvious to me. I really hate when retail sales numbers are released, and pc games sell very poor, the hardcore pc guys on this forum point to steam as if the game will sell millions there when in reality steam perhaps equals the retail sales. Very few pc games it seems sell more than a millions copies nowadys which is sad.

dom2000

These are estimates from a company known as FADE (Forecasting and Analyzing Digital Entertainment). Using them as gospel will not bode well.

[QUOTE="dom2000"]

This just proves without a doubt what everyone should already know, multiplats nearly always sell much better on consoles than pc...Im a pc gamer and this is just obvious to me. I really hate when retail sales numbers are released, and pc games sell very poor, the hardcore pc guys on this forum point to steam as if the game will sell millions there when in reality steam perhaps equals the retail sales. Very few pc games it seems sell more than a millions copies nowadys which is sad.

lundy86_4

These are estimates from a company known as FADE (Forecasting and Analyzing Digital Entertainment). Using them as gospel will not bode well.

even so one can see that FNV on pc must have sold more than 1 million copies by now but most people see 300000 figure and say pc sold bad considering steam is 70% of DD market while the whole DD market is about half the total pc markey and that this figure is only for october i would be amazed if FNV has not surpassed 1million on pc. Let alone each copy sold on Pc makes more profit than the console counterpartadamosmaki

Naturally people see the number and assume it's the most recent, or that sales just stand still. It's a bizarre conditioning.

[QUOTE="adamosmaki"]even so one can see that FNV on pc must have sold more than 1 million copies by now but most people see 300000 figure and say pc sold bad considering steam is 70% of DD market while the whole DD market is about half the total pc markey and that this figure is only for october i would be amazed if FNV has not surpassed 1million on pc. Let alone each copy sold on Pc makes more profit than the console counterpartlundy86_4

Naturally people see the number and assume it's the most recent, or that sales just stand still. It's a bizarre conditioning.

[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

[QUOTE="adamosmaki"]even so one can see that FNV on pc must have sold more than 1 million copies by now but most people see 300000 figure and say pc sold bad considering steam is 70% of DD market while the whole DD market is about half the total pc markey and that this figure is only for october i would be amazed if FNV has not surpassed 1million on pc. Let alone each copy sold on Pc makes more profit than the console counterpartMazoch

Naturally people see the number and assume it's the most recent, or that sales just stand still. It's a bizarre conditioning.

Yeah... I find it a shame that companies such as Valve don't offer their sales, as it may (or may not) do a lot to dissaude some posters :P

[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

[QUOTE="adamosmaki"]even so one can see that FNV on pc must have sold more than 1 million copies by now but most people see 300000 figure and say pc sold bad considering steam is 70% of DD market while the whole DD market is about half the total pc markey and that this figure is only for october i would be amazed if FNV has not surpassed 1million on pc. Let alone each copy sold on Pc makes more profit than the console counterpartMazoch

Naturally people see the number and assume it's the most recent, or that sales just stand still. It's a bizarre conditioning.

[QUOTE="Mazoch"][QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

Naturally people see the number and assume it's the most recent, or that sales just stand still. It's a bizarre conditioning.

lundy86_4

Yeah... I find it a shame that companies such as Valve don't offer their sales, as it may (or may not) do a lot to dissaude some posters :P