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#151 Jebus213
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[QUOTE="Jebus213"][QUOTE="N30F3N1X"]

Fact: Mass Effect 2 is not an RPG.

Umad?

StealthMonkey4

I like this one^

An RPG is any game in which you play a role. In Mass Effect 3, you play a role, so it is an RPG.

I'n MW3 I play the role of Yuri. I guess that makes MW3 an RPG too...
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#152 StealthMonkey4
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[QUOTE="StealthMonkey4"]

[QUOTE="Jebus213"] I like this one^Jebus213

An RPG is any game in which you play a role. In Mass Effect 3, you play a role, so it is an RPG.

I'n MW3 I play the role of Yuri. I guess that makes MW3 an RPG too...

Yes, I don't know if you missed it the first time, but an RPG is any game in which you play a role. Not that difficult to understand...

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Fact: this place is an animal farm.
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#154 deactivated-5c79c3cfce222
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[QUOTE="cfstar"]

[QUOTE="Grey_Eyed_Elf"]A Banana is not a fruit... ITS A HERB! /THREAD!Grey_Eyed_Elf

:O!!!!!

Strawberries aren't fruit either... the plant that strawberries grow on is a member of the rose family. Strawberries are pseudocarps.

The strawberry, despite its name, is not a straw. A pseudocarp, despite its name, is also not a straw.
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#155 Heil68
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Fact: The 360 sucks. Badosh
And MS decided to drop core and go 99% casual with Kinect(lol) which caused the above truth,
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#156 TheEroica  Moderator
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[QUOTE="Badosh"]Fact: The 360 sucks. Heil68
And MS decided to drop core and go 99% casual with Kinect(lol) which caused the above truth,

Oh heil none of what you say is ever truth.... away with you *bangs pots and pans* shooo shoo!
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#157 Heil68
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[QUOTE="Heil68"][QUOTE="Badosh"]Fact: The 360 sucks. TheEroica
And MS decided to drop core and go 99% casual with Kinect(lol) which caused the above truth,

Oh heil none of what you say is ever truth.... away with you *bangs pots and pans* shooo shoo!

Project Natal(lol) was introduced in 2009 and then the rest is infamous. You wanted the truth...YOU CANT HANDLE THE TRUTH.
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#158 ChubbyGuy40
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Yes, I don't know if you missed it the first time, but an RPG is any game in which you play a role. Not that difficult to understand...

StealthMonkey4

By that definition, every game is an RPG. Idiot.

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#159 waltefmoney
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[QUOTE="TheEroica"][QUOTE="Heil68"] And MS decided to drop core and go 99% casual with Kinect(lol) which caused the above truth, Heil68
Oh heil none of what you say is ever truth.... away with you *bangs pots and pans* shooo shoo!

Project Natal(lol) was introduced in 2009 and then the rest is infamous. You wanted the truth...YOU CANT HANDLE THE TRUTH.

Fact: Heil69 sickens me.

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#160 Grey_Eyed_Elf
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[QUOTE="Grey_Eyed_Elf"][QUOTE="cfstar"]

:O!!!!!

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Strawberries aren't fruit either... the plant that strawberries grow on is a member of the rose family. Strawberries are pseudocarps.

The strawberry, despite its name, is not a straw. A pseudocarp, despite its name, is also not a straw.

...12

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#161 CanYouDiglt
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[QUOTE="CanYouDiglt"]Fact-The PS3 has the least amount of games of all 4 systems Fact-The PS3 is the least wanted of the 4 systems Fact-The PS3 has less A,AA,AAA games then the PC and 360_Cadbury_
Fact- CanYouDigIt clearly doesn't know what a fact is, because: Fact - The PS3 has sold at a faster rate in it's lifetime than the 360 has in it's lifetime, and therefore cannot be the 'least wanted' system. And while I'm at it.... Fact - CanYouDigIt doesn't mention AAAA games with his last fact because it would make the 360 look worse.

Fact- Since 2006,2007,2008,2009,2010,2011 and 2012 the PS3 still can not pass the 360

Fact-The 360 sold more last year

Fact the 360 INCREASED its year to year sales last year. So demand for the 360 INCRAESED

Fact- The PS3 DECREASED its year to year sales last year. So demand for the PS3 DECREASED

Fact-More people since the consoles launched wanted to buy a 360 console then a PS3 console.

Fact-PS3 has 1 more AAAA games on this website

Fact- On this website and MEtacritic the 360 and the PC have more AAA,AA, and A games then the PS3

Fact-The PS3 has the least amount of games of all 4 systems.

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#162 CanYouDiglt
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[QUOTE="Badosh"]Fact: The 360 sucks. Heil68
And MS decided to drop core and go 99% casual with Kinect(lol) which caused the above truth,

Fact -Heil68 owns a Kinect.
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Fact: The 360 only has 2 games that I want to play that I can't get on PC and/or PS3.

Fact: I think the Wii sucks.

Fact: I will not be buying a Wii U

Fact: If Sony has an anti used game agenda with the PS4, I will not be buying one.

Fact: PC is the best gaming platform. You not being able to afford it, don't like it, think it's to much work, ect. ect. doesn't change that.

Fact: I can sit on my couch and play my PC on the TV with a wireless controller (or wireless K/M) just like I can my PS3.

Fact: Mobile is in deed a threat to handheld gaming.

Fact: This gen is full of milkage.

Fact: Piracy is just as bad on consoles as it is on PC.

Fact: If consoles keep on down they road they started heading down this gen, they will kill themselves off.

Fact: Consoles this gen (with the exception of the Wii) were too damn expensive.

Fact The $600 price tag of the PS3 at launch is the main thing that knocked Sony out of first place.

Fact: There is a VERY good chance I will be a PC only gamer next gen.

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#164 TheEroica  Moderator
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[QUOTE="Heil68"][QUOTE="TheEroica"] Oh heil none of what you say is ever truth.... away with you *bangs pots and pans* shooo shoo!waltefmoney

Project Natal(lol) was introduced in 2009 and then the rest is infamous. You wanted the truth...YOU CANT HANDLE THE TRUTH.

Fact: Heil69 sickens me.

Im not sure heil actually believes what he says... i think he more or less goes for troll points.
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[QUOTE="waltefmoney"]

[QUOTE="Heil68"] Project Natal(lol) was introduced in 2009 and then the rest is infamous. You wanted the truth...YOU CANT HANDLE THE TRUTH.TheEroica

Fact: Heil69 sickens me.

Im not sure heil actually believes what he says... i think he more or less goes for troll points.

He sickens me. I want him gone.

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#166 AmazonTreeBoa
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[QUOTE="McStrongfast"][QUOTE="Grey_Eyed_Elf"] Strawberries aren't fruit either... the plant that strawberries grow on is a member of the rose family. Strawberries are pseudocarps.Grey_Eyed_Elf

The strawberry, despite its name, is not a straw. A pseudocarp, despite its name, is also not a straw.

...12

I will be growing these next year.
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Fact: Fanboys are just casual gamers.

Fact: Playing console shooters does not automatically make you a hardcore gamer.

Fact: There are more to games than just graphics.

Fact: A gaming PC is not best for everything in gaming.

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The amount of cow butthurt brings a tear to my eye.

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#169 Heil68
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[QUOTE="Heil68"][QUOTE="Badosh"]Fact: The 360 sucks. CanYouDiglt
And MS decided to drop core and go 99% casual with Kinect(lol) which caused the above truth,

Fact -Heil68 owns a Kinect.

It's true  Since MS dropped core, I needed it so it gets some game use. Kids, wife and grandparents love it. Mission accomplished MS! RTB,
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#170 waltefmoney
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Is that a PVR heil?

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#171 CanYouDiglt
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[QUOTE="CanYouDiglt"][QUOTE="Heil68"] And MS decided to drop core and go 99% casual with Kinect(lol) which caused the above truth, Heil68
Fact -Heil68 owns a Kinect.

It's true Since MS dropped core, I needed it so it gets some game use. Kids, wife and grandparents love it. Mission accomplished MS! RTB,

Cool you have the Star Wars 360 also. That one is pretty cool.

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#172 Heil68
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Walt- nope, just my 5.1 surround
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Kinect is killing gaming and killing hardcore gaming with trash like SB and SWK.

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#174 waltefmoney
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Walt- nope, just my 5.1 surroundHeil68

The silver colored one?

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#175 Bigboi500
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Fact: Nintendo gamers are all kids and soccor moms.

Fact: Sony gamers are all perverted pedophiles.

Fact: Microsoft gamers are all mindless frat boys.

Fact: PC gamers are all fat basement dwellers.

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#176 Heil68
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[QUOTE="Heil68"]Walt- nope, just my 5.1 surroundwaltefmoney

The silver colored one?

That is a switch to choose between the ps2 and Wii.
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#177 Badosh
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Oh, my bad! I meant blind 360 hater (assuming you were not being sarcastic).

PAL360
Blind 360 hater? Have you ever seen me post here?
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#178 waltefmoney
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[QUOTE="PAL360"]

Oh, my bad! I meant blind 360 hater (assuming you were not being sarcastic).

Badosh

Blind 360 hater? Have you ever seen me post here?

Well you are wearing glasses, are you not?

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#179 TheEroica  Moderator
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[QUOTE="Heil68"][QUOTE="CanYouDiglt"] Fact -Heil68 owns a Kinect.CanYouDiglt

It's true Since MS dropped core, I needed it so it gets some game use. Kids, wife and grandparents love it. Mission accomplished MS! RTB,

Cool you have the Star Wars 360 also. That one is pretty cool.

Heil is a mega 360 player... it was proven through his playtime he actually prefers 360... you guys need to separate a troll from a fanboy. I actually enjoy heils trolling sometimes.
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#180 Heil68
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[QUOTE="CanYouDiglt"]

[QUOTE="Heil68"] It's true Since MS dropped core, I needed it so it gets some game use. Kids, wife and grandparents love it. Mission accomplished MS! RTB,TheEroica

Cool you have the Star Wars 360 also. That one is pretty cool.

Heil is a mega 360 player... it was proven through his playtime he actually prefers 360... you guys need to separate a troll from a fanboy. I actually enjoy heils trolling sometimes.

Nope. Look at my tag..360 has no games. :(
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[QUOTE="PAL360"]

Oh, my bad! I meant blind 360 hater (assuming you were not being sarcastic).

Badosh
Blind 360 hater? Have you ever seen me post here?

Lol. That's like the 3rd or 4th time he's said something like that to you. Fact: I read this forum too much.
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[QUOTE="_Cadbury_"][QUOTE="CanYouDiglt"]Fact-The PS3 has the least amount of games of all 4 systems Fact-The PS3 is the least wanted of the 4 systems Fact-The PS3 has less A,AA,AAA games then the PC and 360CanYouDiglt

Fact- CanYouDigIt clearly doesn't know what a fact is, because: Fact - The PS3 has sold at a faster rate in it's lifetime than the 360 has in it's lifetime, and therefore cannot be the 'least wanted' system. And while I'm at it.... Fact - CanYouDigIt doesn't mention AAAA games with his last fact because it would make the 360 look worse.

Fact- Since 2006,2007,2008,2009,2010,2011 and 2012 the PS3 still can not pass the 360

Fact-The 360 sold more last year

Fact the 360 INCREASED its year to year sales last year. So demand for the 360 INCRAESED

Fact- The PS3 DECREASED its year to year sales last year. So demand for the PS3 DECREASED

Fact-More people since the consoles launched wanted to buy a 360 console then a PS3 console.

Fact-PS3 has 1 more AAAA games on this website

Fact- On this website and MEtacritic the 360 and the PC have more AAA,AA, and A games then the PS3

Fact-The PS3 has the least amount of games of all 4 systems.

Fact: CanYouDigIt clearly can't handle the fact that the PS3 has sold at a faster rate in it's lifetime than the 360 has in it's lifetime.
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Fact: WRPGs came before JRPGs, the Japanese did not create the RPG genre in any form. Fact: Stories con be objectively bad, it's a thing of how to properly intruduce plot points, twists, characters and etc. However, the enjoyment people can/can't or should/shouldn't is not. Fact: Bioware's dumbing down trend started at KotOR, not ME/DA 2. Fact: Fact, a lot of 'failed WoW killers' were never ever hyped as WoW killers, just that they would be better games. Fact: The hermits of today are completely different than they used to be. The old hermits would have neve accepted something like Steam, and now hermits are more of fanboys of Steam rather than fanboys of PC gaming. Fact: Free to Play Games are bigger money sinks and rip offs than monthly fee required MMOs, those who think differently are either idiots who don't mind being stepped on by players with advantages they paid for or think any game that is online based is an MMO and will turn LoL and TF2 as a counter-argument. Fact: , just because something wasn't much of a problem before does not mean it can't grow into a serious one later; used game sales are a big deal to developers. Fact: However, that's their problem to worry about. Companies exist to serve you and live because of you, not the other way around. you don't owe them anything and any legal way of getting your games is fair and just. Fact: However, so is anything they try to do to counter your habits. Enjoy your online passes! :P
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[QUOTE="CanYouDiglt"]

[QUOTE="_Cadbury_"] Fact- CanYouDigIt clearly doesn't know what a fact is, because: Fact - The PS3 has sold at a faster rate in it's lifetime than the 360 has in it's lifetime, and therefore cannot be the 'least wanted' system. And while I'm at it.... Fact - CanYouDigIt doesn't mention AAAA games with his last fact because it would make the 360 look worse._Cadbury_

Fact- Since 2006,2007,2008,2009,2010,2011 and 2012 the PS3 still can not pass the 360

Fact-The 360 sold more last year

Fact the 360 INCREASED its year to year sales last year. So demand for the 360 INCRAESED

Fact- The PS3 DECREASED its year to year sales last year. So demand for the PS3 DECREASED

Fact-More people since the consoles launched wanted to buy a 360 console then a PS3 console.

Fact-PS3 has 1 more AAAA games on this website

Fact- On this website and MEtacritic the 360 and the PC have more AAA,AA, and A games then the PS3

Fact-The PS3 has the least amount of games of all 4 systems.

Fact: CanYouDigIt clearly can't handle the fact that the PS3 has sold at a faster rate in it's lifetime than the 360 has in it's lifetime.

It didnt last year....
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#185 PAL360
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[QUOTE="PAL360"]

Oh, my bad! I meant blind 360 hater (assuming you were not being sarcastic).

Badosh

Blind 360 hater? Have you ever seen me post here?

Like i said, you were probably being sarcastic, but wasnt 'Fact: The 360 sucks.' your first post in this thread?

Only a cow or a blind hater would claim this with a straight face.

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#186 Heil68
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[QUOTE="Badosh"][QUOTE="PAL360"]

Oh, my bad! I meant blind 360 hater (assuming you were not being sarcastic).

PAL360

Blind 360 hater? Have you ever seen me post here?

Like i said, you were probably being sarcastic, but wasnt 'Fact: The 360 sucks.' your first post in this thread?

That is factually correct to some of us. I know that cuts deep, but it's true.
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#187 PAL360
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[QUOTE="PAL360"]

[QUOTE="Badosh"] Blind 360 hater? Have you ever seen me post here? Heil68

Like i said, you were probably being sarcastic, but wasnt 'Fact: The 360 sucks.' your first post in this thread?

That is factually correct to some of us. I know that cuts deep, but it's true.

I understand, if you are not a big fan of videogames.

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#188 Heil68
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[QUOTE="Heil68"][QUOTE="PAL360"]

Like i said, you were probably being sarcastic, but wasnt 'Fact: The 360 sucks.' your first post in this thread?

PAL360

That is factually correct to some of us. I know that cuts deep, but it's true.

I understand, if you are not a big fan of videogames.

But I am, that's why 360 sucks to some of us.
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#189 PAL360
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[QUOTE="PAL360"]

[QUOTE="Heil68"] That is factually correct to some of us. I know that cuts deep, but it's true. Heil68

I understand, if you are not a big fan of videogames.

But I am, that's why 360 sucks to some of us.

Thats odd! No system ever sucked and offered hundreds of quality games at the same time.

It seems brand hate to me, if you ask me. Real gamers care about games, not brands.

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Fact: out of the big 3 (nintendo, SONY and Microsoft), Nintendo has been around the longest by 3 whole generations
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#191 Heil68
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[QUOTE="Heil68"][QUOTE="PAL360"]

I understand, if you are not a big fan of videogames.

PAL360

But I am, that's why 360 sucks to some of us.

Thats odd! No system ever sucked and offered hundreds of quality games at the same time.

It seems brand hate to me, if you ask me. Real gamers care about games, not brands.

When you care about games like I do, you own all systems and a gaming PC, unlike you. You must not care much about game eh, hmmm When that is the case the 360 doesn't offer hundreds of games(lolno), thus 360 sucks.
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#192 PAL360
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[QUOTE="PAL360"]

[QUOTE="Heil68"] But I am, that's why 360 sucks to some of us. Heil68

Thats odd! No system ever sucked and offered hundreds of quality games at the same time.

It seems brand hate to me, if you ask me. Real gamers care about games, not brands.

When you care about games like I do, you own all systems and a gaming PC, unlike you. You must not care much about game eh, hmmm When that is the case the 360 doesn't offer hundreds of games(lolno), thus 360 sucks.

When you are not rich, have other priorities (like work and family) and still love videogames, you have to choose wisely. Thise gen 360 is the most complete stand alone console, just like PS1 and 2 back in their days.

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#193 delta3074
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[QUOTE="Heil68"][QUOTE="PAL360"]

Thats odd! No system ever sucked and offered hundreds of quality games at the same time.

It seems brand hate to me, if you ask me. Real gamers care about games, not brands.

PAL360

When you care about games like I do, you own all systems and a gaming PC, unlike you. You must not care much about game eh, hmmm When that is the case the 360 doesn't offer hundreds of games(lolno), thus 360 sucks.

When you are not rich, have other priorities (like work and family) and still love videogames, you have to choose wisely. Thise gen 360 is the most complete stand alone console, just like PS1 and 2 back in their days.

True that, you need a PS3 AND a PC to get the same experience as you get on a 360, another fact to add to the thread,lol
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#194 Heil68
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[QUOTE="PAL360"]

[QUOTE="Heil68"] When you care about games like I do, you own all systems and a gaming PC, unlike you. You must not care much about game eh, hmmm When that is the case the 360 doesn't offer hundreds of games(lolno), thus 360 sucks. delta3074

When you are not rich, have other priorities (like work and family) and still love videogames, you have to choose wisely. Thise gen 360 is the most complete stand alone console, just like PS1 and 2 back in their days.

True that, you need a PS3 AND a PC to get the same experience as you get on a 360, another fact to add to the thread,lol

Nope, try harder...lol
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#195 Heil68
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[QUOTE="Heil68"][QUOTE="PAL360"]

Thats odd! No system ever sucked and offered hundreds of quality games at the same time.

It seems brand hate to me, if you ask me. Real gamers care about games, not brands.

PAL360

When you care about games like I do, you own all systems and a gaming PC, unlike you. You must not care much about game eh, hmmm When that is the case the 360 doesn't offer hundreds of games(lolno), thus 360 sucks.

When you are not rich, have other priorities (like work and family) and still love videogames, you have to choose wisely. Thise gen 360 is the most complete stand alone console, just like PS1 and 2 back in their days.

So in other words you settled for the 360? Sad..oh well, cheers.
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#196 PAL360
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[QUOTE="PAL360"]

[QUOTE="Heil68"] When you care about games like I do, you own all systems and a gaming PC, unlike you. You must not care much about game eh, hmmm When that is the case the 360 doesn't offer hundreds of games(lolno), thus 360 sucks. Heil68

When you are not rich, have other priorities (like work and family) and still love videogames, you have to choose wisely. Thise gen 360 is the most complete stand alone console, just like PS1 and 2 back in their days.

So in other words you settled for the 360? Sad..oh well, cheers.

The only sad fact, is that i only have about 60 games, out of the 650+ quality ones available. Oh well, like i said, priorities.

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#197 Heil68
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[QUOTE="Heil68"][QUOTE="PAL360"]

When you are not rich, have other priorities (like work and family) and still love videogames, you have to choose wisely. Thise gen 360 is the most complete stand alone console, just like PS1 and 2 back in their days.

PAL360

So in other words you settled for the 360? Sad..oh well, cheers.

The only sad fact, is that i only have about 50 games, out of the 600+ quality ones available. Oh well, like i said, priorities.

Yea, you're the only one with a full time job, family, kids, other priorities and responsibilities, that plays video games, it must be a European thing. Bugger.
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#198 PAL360
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[QUOTE="PAL360"]

[QUOTE="Heil68"] So in other words you settled for the 360? Sad..oh well, cheers. Heil68

The only sad fact, is that i only have about 50 games, out of the 600+ quality ones available. Oh well, like i said, priorities.

Yea, you're the only one with a full time job, family, kids, other priorities and responsibilities, that plays video games, it must be a European thing. Bugger.

Never said im the only one (and no kids yet). Just love ppl who say that its sad to have just one system. Its like you guys ever get the opportunity to play all games available on the market!

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#199 Eddie-Vedder
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Fact. The PS3 has more high quality blockbuster exclusives then the 360 according ot the gaming press.

Fact. The PS3 has more high quality retail games overall including multiplats according to the gaming press.

Fact. The PS3 has more GOTY winners then the 360.

Fact. The PS3 has more Graphics award winners then the 360.

Fact. The PS3 has more award winning games then the 360.

Fact. The PS3 has more high quality new IP's then the 360.

Fact. The PS3 has more variety in the high scoring games library according to the gaming press.

Fact. The PS3 has sold more then the 360 in the same timeframe even though it's always been the more expensive console.

Fact. Despite being more expensive upfront you'll end up saving money buying a PS3 over a 360.

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[QUOTE="PAL360"]

[QUOTE="Heil68"] So in other words you settled for the 360? Sad..oh well, cheers. Heil68

The only sad fact, is that i only have about 50 games, out of the 600+ quality ones available. Oh well, like i said, priorities.

Yea, you're the only one with a full time job, family, kids, other priorities and responsibilities, that plays video games, it must be a European thing. Bugger.

Not to jump in on your little spat but yeah, 360 is the most complete console for every demographic of gamer if youre forced to make a choice of one... i only realized this after i bought the wii and ps3.. everyone in my family would rather play the much mofe compelling 360... its a wild effin ride so hang on tight!