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#101 Mandingo101
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[QUOTE="SergeantSnitch"][QUOTE="X360PS3AMD05"]Oh give me a F-in break, if they unleashed the Xenon it would match up with the Cell. X360PS3AMD05


Not true. It has been CONFIRMED by the director of the program (an Indian dude, I forgot his name) that the 360 wouldn't be of much help to the F@H project.

Vijay Pande, he was talking about the CPUs. If Folding was coded for the Xenon (early R600) like it was the for the X1K ATI GPUs, it would be just as good if not better.

if you think it would actually match it or surpass, you are sadly mistaken. these types of processes is what cell excells at.
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[QUOTE="X360PS3AMD05"][QUOTE="SergeantSnitch"][QUOTE="X360PS3AMD05"]Oh give me a F-in break, if they unleashed the Xenon it would match up with the Cell. Mandingo101


Not true. It has been CONFIRMED by the director of the program (an Indian dude, I forgot his name) that the 360 wouldn't be of much help to the F@H project.

Vijay Pande, he was talking about the CPUs. If Folding was coded for the Xenon (early R600) like it was the for the X1K ATI GPUs, it would be just as good if not better.

if you think it would actually match it or surpass, you are sadly mistaken. these types of processes is what cell excells at.

Orly? That's why the X1900s are completely owning with their massive parallel processing capabilities. Wait until R600 gets going.
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#103 Amigwo
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[QUOTE="X360PS3AMD05"][QUOTE="SergeantSnitch"][QUOTE="X360PS3AMD05"]Oh give me a F-in break, if they unleashed the Xenon it would match up with the Cell. Mandingo101


Not true. It has been CONFIRMED by the director of the program (an Indian dude, I forgot his name) that the 360 wouldn't be of much help to the F@H project.

Vijay Pande, he was talking about the CPUs. If Folding was coded for the Xenon (early R600) like it was the for the X1K ATI GPUs, it would be just as good if not better.

if you think it would actually match it or surpass, you are sadly mistaken. these types of processes is what cell excells at.

The 360s GPU is +2x times better then cell at FOLDING FACT!.

CPU = Central processing unit

GPU = Graphics processing unit

go look at the ati cards doing folding on their website.

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#104 naughtydog360
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[QUOTE="DXGreat1_HGL"][QUOTE="SergeantSnitch"]

[QUOTE="coreygames"][QUOTE="inuyasha89"] Congrats PS3 owners. Keep up the good work guyz! asylumni

Yeah, because PS3 owners are doing all the work :roll:

Heh, nice try, but they ARE. Everytime someone logs on and lets their PLAYSTATION 3 run F@H (btw it's CONFIRMED by the director that it's the only console capable of running it SO efficiently) they are creating progress. PS3 OWNERS are doing their part, sorry bro don't be angry.

You don't even have viable proof that the calculations are going anything useful or progressing anything. Sorry but your argument fails....

 

Well, I'm not going to comment on the 360's suitability for folding calculations verse any other platform, but here is the address to Stanford's papers derived from the work of Folding@Home clients.

http://folding.stanford.edu/papers.html

 

From F@H PS3 FAQ page - http://folding.stanford.edu/FAQ-PS3.html

It seems that the PS3 is more than 10X powerful as an average PC. Why doesn't it get 10X PPD as well?
We balance the points based on both speed and the flexibility of the client. The GPU client is still the fastest, but it is the least flexible and can only run a very, very limited set of WU's. Thus, its points are not linearly proportional to the speed increase. The
PS3 takes the middle ground between GPU's (extreme speed, but at limited types of WU's) and CPU's (less speed, but more flexibility in types of WU's).
We have picked the PS3 as the natural benchmark machine for PS3 calculations and set its points per day to 900 to reflect this middle ground between speed (faster than CPU, but slower than GPU) and flexibility (more flexible than GPU, less than CPU).

What type of calculations the PS3 client is capable of running?
The PS3 right now runs what are called implicit solvation calculations, including some simple ones (sigmodal dependent dielectric) and some more sophisticated ones (AGBNP, a type of Generalized Born method from Prof. Ron Levy's group at Rutgers). In this respect, the PS3 client is much like our GPU client. However, the PS3 client is more flexible, in that it can also run explicit solvent calculations as well, although not at the same speed increase relative to PC's. We are working to increase the speed of explicit solvent on the PS3 and would then run these calculations on the PS3 as well. In a nutshell, the PS3 takes the middle ground between GPU's (extreme speed, but at limited types of WU's) and CPU's (less speed, but more flexibility in types of WU's).

 

Look at what F@H developer said

People have been toying with the idea of having the Folding@Home project put up on the Microsoft's Xbox 360. But what does its creator think about this idea?

Pro-G managed to ask Vijay Pande, the genius behind the project, and it was found that he didn't really think the Xbox 360 could be of much help. Replying to the question of whether or not he thought the power of the 360 could be useful: "Possibly, although the cell processor in the PS3 is much more powerful for our calculations than the CPU in the Xbox 360."

So what made Sony's PlayStation 3 the console for Folding@Home? "We are simulating key processes in protein folding and misfolding in Alzheimer's Disease. PS3's are performing aspects of these simulations, and doing so about 20 times faster than a typical PC."

Well, while his statements are far from saying that the project will be hopping aboard Microsoft's green box any time soon, at least it does not, at the same time, close absolutely the possibility of Folding@Home being on Xbox 360. Besides, the cause that the project stands for is worthy enough to break even the toughest fanboyism.
F@H Developer

AGAIN "cell processor in the PS3 is much more powerful for our calculations than the CPU in the Xbox 360."

1 more time ? "cell processor in the PS3 is much more powerful for our calculations than the CPU in the Xbox 360."

 

http://www.qj.net/Folding-Home-creator-says-his-piece-on-the-Xbox-360-joining-the-project/pg/49/aid/91248

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#105 Mandingo101
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[QUOTE="Mandingo101"][QUOTE="X360PS3AMD05"][QUOTE="SergeantSnitch"][QUOTE="X360PS3AMD05"]Oh give me a F-in break, if they unleashed the Xenon it would match up with the Cell. X360PS3AMD05


Not true. It has been CONFIRMED by the director of the program (an Indian dude, I forgot his name) that the 360 wouldn't be of much help to the F@H project.

Vijay Pande, he was talking about the CPUs. If Folding was coded for the Xenon (early R600) like it was the for the X1K ATI GPUs, it would be just as good if not better.

if you think it would actually match it or surpass, you are sadly mistaken. these types of processes is what cell excells at.

Orly? That's why the X1900s are completely owning with their massive parallel processing capabilities. Wait until R600 gets going.

what proof do we have that 360 would surpass cell or match it ? and its been proven time after time cell "completely" owns xenon. not only that but like the other guy said didnt the head of FAH say the 360 processor wouldnt help much ? i dont agree purely based on larger base, but who knows how many wanna risk it with 360s burning up like they do.

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#106 Stonin
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ROFL, F@H costs PS3 users more per month than XBL...bu bu teh extra cost!

It is a great use for the console and I applaud the F@H team for realising all of the untapped potential.  Shame Sony couldn't tap into the same potential for games.

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#107 Mandingo101
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ROFL, F@H costs PS3 users more per month than XBL...bu bu teh extra cost!

It is a great use for the console and I applaud the F@H team for realising all of the untapped potential.  Shame Sony couldn't tap into the same potential for games.

Stonin
what the hell :?
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#108 Codename33
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Meanwhile, 360 gamers actually have games to play instead of marveling at a screensaver and having false hope. Boy, that game is fun! And guess what's coming out soon? A free game where you can walk around and see a bunch of ads! That's so amazing!
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#109 Mandingo101
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Meanwhile, 360 gamers actually have games to play instead of marveling at a screensaver and having false hope. Boy, that game is fun! And guess what's coming out soon? A free game where you can walk around and see a bunch of ads! That's so amazing!Codename33
360 users would run it too of it was there and it didnt make 360s explode. see i can be a fanboy too :( i cant believe how sick lemmings are, talk bad about such a wonderful program, maybe if your parents got alzeimers or someother terrible disease and this helped in research you wouldnt be babbling fanboy spew, but meh this is SW. just remember karma is a *****
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#110 Fhiz
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Beautiful...and haters said PS3 couldn't cure cancer. It CAN ladies and gentleman, the true power of Cell is upon us. SergeantSnitch

so uh... where is the cure?  

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well done all those who take part..
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#112 naughtydog360
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Meanwhile, 360 gamers actually have games to play instead of marveling at a screensaver and having false hope. Boy, that game is fun! And guess what's coming out soon? A free game where you can walk around and see a bunch of ads! That's so amazing!Codename33

False Hope ? False ?.. are you 10 years old ?

Heres your "False Hope" - http://folding.stanford.edu/ - Just read the first page

A free game where you can walk around and see a bunch of ads! That's so amazing!

At least its not a ugly dashboard that costs $50 which gives u LAGGY servers...:evil:

And BTW, most of us that use F@H start it before were off to sleep. . and about the games, you should try warhawk and u'l know what type of amazing games were getting :) ( Beta itself was amazing, cant wait for release )

peace ;)

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#113 toxicmog
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[QUOTE="coreygames"][QUOTE="inuyasha89"] Congrats PS3 owners. Keep up the good work guyz! SergeantSnitch

Yeah, because PS3 owners are doing all the work :roll:

Heh, nice try, but they ARE. Everytime someone logs on and lets their PLAYSTATION 3 run F@H (btw it's CONFIRMED by the director that it's the only console capable of running it SO efficiently) they are creating progress. PS3 OWNERS are doing their part, sorry bro don't be angry.

Right.....?

Is someone forgetting the PC owners who run this?

The server farms some people have set up, just running folding?  Seriously, the PS3 helps.

However the PC is still leading the folding at home project....Dont think for a seccond that this is just the PS3. 

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have fun "folding" and not playing games.
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#115 HuusAsking
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Okay, let's settle this once and for all. Let's see objective, statistically significant proof that the Xenos cannot overcome the Cell. Something you should know. Floating-point calculations are a specialty of GPUs. They need to do it all day long for their main job of 3D rendering. This is one of the reasons behind DirectX 10--to give programmers access to this additional horsepower. This is why the people at F@H have included code to take advantage of newer ATI GPUs (they also said nVidia GPUs are useless for their purposes--so much for the RSX).

You say the Cell can trounce the Xenon in folding. Well, let's see it trounce the Xenos.

PS. To whoever said Peter Moore said they're making a BluRay player...cough up a link. 

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#116 DXGreat1_HGL
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   i still can't believe cows have found a way to continue to drag this thread. No links to folding home have shown that it has done anything but waste electricity and provide a screen saver. Quit acting like you cows know anything any of those sites say about folding proteins. This hasn't cured anything except poverty for electric companirs and please stop the bleeding heart mantra,
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#117 DXGreat1_HGL
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have fun "folding" and not playing games.chrisdojo

and needlessly running up your electric bill...

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[QUOTE="chrisdojo"]have fun "folding" and not playing games.DXGreat1_HGL

and needlessly running up your electric bill...

I can afford 10 PS3s, what's a few bucks going to do to my finances?

And justifying research requires no results.  It's research.  You do tedious testing of everything with anything until you find the answer.  If everyone was like you and wanted immediate results, then why are research companies being donated millions to try and find cures?

Obviously, you're just being a fanboy no matter who's dying. 

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And this justifies spending $600 on a sub par gaming machine.............how?MaTT2011

And this justifies you bashing the console without playing... how? 

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[QUOTE="chrisdojo"]have fun "folding" and not playing games.DXGreat1_HGL

and needlessly running up your electric bill...

the electric bill crap

weak :roll:

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#121 DXGreat1_HGL
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[QUOTE="DXGreat1_HGL"]

[QUOTE="chrisdojo"]have fun "folding" and not playing games.NobuoMusicMaker

and needlessly running up your electric bill...

I can afford 10 PS3s, what's a few bucks going to do to my finances?

And justifying research requires no results.  It's research.  You do tedious testing of everything with anything until you find the answer.  If everyone was like you and wanted immediate results, then why are research companies being donated millions to try and find cures?

Obviously, you're just being a fanboy no matter who's dying. 

 Give it a rest, you could care less who's living and dying and are just trying to use this as ownage. You cows are far worse then the people you attempt to belittle. So stop trying to act like you care. Your condescendce in this forum shows you are just being a hypocrite...

 

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Beautiful...and haters said PS3 couldn't cure cancer. It CAN ladies and gentleman, the true power of Cell is upon us. It has also been confirmed by the guy who is the director of F@H that the PLAYSTATION 3 is the ONLY next gen console that is powerful enough to handle the immense number of calculations needed to do the protein folding. Peter Moore is just jealous they didn't get chosen so he makes up false accusations like "are they seeing any real results?" YES, we are Peter Moore.SergeantSnitch

I lol'd.

My PC can run folding@home, and it's over 4 years old. 

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[QUOTE="SergeantSnitch"]Beautiful...and haters said PS3 couldn't cure cancer. It CAN ladies and gentleman, the true power of Cell is upon us. It has also been confirmed by the guy who is the director of F@H that the PLAYSTATION 3 is the ONLY next gen console that is powerful enough to handle the immense number of calculations needed to do the protein folding. Peter Moore is just jealous they didn't get chosen so he makes up false accusations like "are they seeing any real results?" YES, we are Peter Moore.Raidea

I lol'd.

My PC can run folding@home, and it's over 4 years old. 

Your PC can run it, but not as well as a PS3 or a ATI GPU.
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#124 DXGreat1_HGL
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  If Sony really cared about cancer research and humanity in general, how about donating their profits to medical research as opposed to putting a subroutine on a console and expecting the console owner to flip the bill? Cows are the most gulible form of life on planet Earth....
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#125 HuusAsking
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  If Sony really cared about cancer research and humanity in general, how about donating their profits to medical research as opposed to putting a subroutine on a console and expecting the console owner to flip the bill? Cows are the most gulible form of life on planet Earth....DXGreat1_HGL
Actually, Sony's contributing by (together with IBm and Toshiba) designing medical devices (imagers, mostly) equipped with Cells. These are the true cream of the crop Cells, too, with all 8 SPEs in use.
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#126 flazzle
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Geez Louiz! I am not a PS3/Sony supporter in anyway, but I don't care if Superman N64 makes an attempt to help cure cancer. Its a cool thing!

People say 'make a donation if your serious' and 'don't wast electricity'. Get lost.

Nobody is forcing anyone to run this. If it even helps a little bit, its worth it.

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Running a program is not going to cure cancer.
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[QUOTE="SergeantSnitch"]Beautiful...and haters said PS3 couldn't cure cancer. It CAN ladies and gentleman, the true power of Cell is upon us. It has also been confirmed by the guy who is the director of F@H that the PLAYSTATION 3 is the ONLY next gen console that is powerful enough to handle the immense number of calculations needed to do the protein folding. Peter Moore is just jealous they didn't get chosen so he makes up false accusations like "are they seeing any real results?" YES, we are Peter Moore.Raidea

I lol'd.

My PC can run folding@home, and it's over 4 years old.

A folding simulation would take you a day or so if your computer is not the top of the line. 

If Sony really cared about cancer research and humanity in general, how about donating their profits to medical research as opposed to putting a subroutine on a console and expecting the console owner to flip the bill? Cows are the most gulible form of life on planet Earth....DXGreat1_HGL

Because a lot of money =/= millions of users doing folding simulations.  Hosting a supercomputer warehouse to do folding calculations is not sustainable and it's also against the folding@home project philosophy.  And running the program is completely volunteer based.  Just that we know that humanity will benefit from our idle PS3s rather than just letting it sit there when it could be used.

Seriously, you just need to take your selfish image out of this thread.  The first post was "Congrats PS3 volunteers".  You just turned it into spite thrashing thread.

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A free game where you can walk around and see a bunch of ads! That's so amazing!naughtydog360

At least its not a ugly dashboard that costs $50 which gives u LAGGY servers...:evil:

ROFL, if only it actually let you play on servers. XBL is paying to play via a P2P connection, that's like the ultimate rip-off. M$ doesn't actually feel its gamers deserve dedicated servers to play on.
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Ok.... judging by the TC post I'm going to assume petaflop is a good thing. But anyways....

I'm impressed with the F@H system. It's an excellent way to utalize the technology when you arn't gaming, but lets be honest here. Some PS3 owners are patting themselves on the back way to hard. The PS3 isn't curing cancer, it's loaning it processing power to some other computer in a lab somewhere where scientists are curing cancer. And they don't NEED the PS3's help.

The PS3's F@H program is great, don't get me wrong. I love the idea, but you cows out there.... don't think you're gonna be getting a humanitarian award or anything. 

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#131 flazzle
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Ok.... judging by the TC post I'm going to assume petaflop is a good thing. But anyways....

I'm impressed with the F@H system. It's an excellent way to utalize the technology when you arn't gaming, but lets be honest here. Some PS3 owners are patting themselves on the back way to hard. The PS3 isn't curing cancer, it's loaning it processing power to some other computer in a lab somewhere where scientists are curing cancer. And they don't NEED the PS3's help.

The PS3's F@H program is great, don't get me wrong. I love the idea, but you cows out there.... don't think you're gonna be getting a humanitarian award or anything. 

Private_Vegas

Do you have a link about how its sent to a computer in a lab? I'm not challenging what you said, but I am deeply interested in this information you stated.

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#132 Private_Vegas
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Yeah, give me some time to find it though. I remember an article on GS actually that said what lab was using the FatH processing boost. I think it was some university lab. But anyways I'll try to find it and I'll post it later. If it's not up in the next 30 minutes I'll post it here PM it to you later, as I have a Chem lab to do at 12:30. Wish me luck.
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#133 Ontain
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[QUOTE="Private_Vegas"]

Ok.... judging by the TC post I'm going to assume petaflop is a good thing. But anyways....

I'm impressed with the F@H system. It's an excellent way to utalize the technology when you arn't gaming, but lets be honest here. Some PS3 owners are patting themselves on the back way to hard. The PS3 isn't curing cancer, it's loaning it processing power to some other computer in a lab somewhere where scientists are curing cancer. And they don't NEED the PS3's help.

The PS3's F@H program is great, don't get me wrong. I love the idea, but you cows out there.... don't think you're gonna be getting a humanitarian award or anything.

flazzle

Do you have a link about how its sent to a computer in a lab? I'm not challenging what you said, but I am deeply interested in this information you stated.

i suspect that it's like seti@home where you download (automatically) a unit of data and then your hardware doesn't the calculations on it. after the calculations for the unit is done you send it to the main sever. their it goes into a database and scientists will eventually look at. 

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#134 HuusAsking
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Yeah, give me some time to find it though. I remember an article on GS actually that said what lab was using the FatH processing boost. I think it was some university lab. But anyways I'll try to find it and I'll post it later. If it's not up in the next 30 minutes I'll post it here PM it to you later, as I have a Chem lab to do at 12:30. Wish me luck.Private_Vegas
I would imagine it's somewhere in Stanford University, seeing as how they're the people behind the program to begin with.
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#135 HuusAsking
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Beautiful...and haters said PS3 couldn't cure cancer.  It CAN ladies and gentleman, the true power of Cell is upon us.  It has also been confirmed by the guy who is the director of F@H that the PLAYSTATION 3 is the ONLY next gen console that is powerful enough to handle the immense number of calculations needed to do the protein folding.  Peter Moore is just jealous they didn't get chosen so he makes up false accusations like "are they seeing any real results?"  YES, we are Peter Moore.SergeantSnitch
CPU-wise...not GPU-wise. Remember, the 360 has an ATI GPU, the only brand the F@H team says is worth any salt to their projects (they've already said nVidia GPUs are useless for them, so the RSX is out).
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#136 Private_Vegas
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[QUOTE="Private_Vegas"]Yeah, give me some time to find it though. I remember an article on GS actually that said what lab was using the FatH processing boost. I think it was some university lab. But anyways I'll try to find it and I'll post it later. If it's not up in the next 30 minutes I'll post it here PM it to you later, as I have a Chem lab to do at 12:30. Wish me luck.HuusAsking
I would imagine it's somewhere in Stanford University, seeing as how they're the people behind the program to begin with.

STANFORD! That was the University...... man how did I forget that. but anyways.

http://www.gamespot.com/news/6169662.html

http://www.gamespot.com/news/6157898.html

those are they two GS stories I remember seeing about Folding@Home.

The second article explains the process a bit more. Plus there is a link inside the second article to a CNN web article that goes a little more indepth. But yeah, the Stanford website might offer more technical info if thats what your after flazzle.

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#137 flazzle
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[QUOTE="HuusAsking"][QUOTE="Private_Vegas"]Yeah, give me some time to find it though. I remember an article on GS actually that said what lab was using the FatH processing boost. I think it was some university lab. But anyways I'll try to find it and I'll post it later. If it's not up in the next 30 minutes I'll post it here PM it to you later, as I have a Chem lab to do at 12:30. Wish me luck.Private_Vegas

I would imagine it's somewhere in Stanford University, seeing as how they're the people behind the program to begin with.

STANFORD! That was the University...... man how did I forget that. but anyways.

http://www.gamespot.com/news/6169662.html

http://www.gamespot.com/news/6157898.html

those are they two GS stories I remember seeing about Folding@Home.

The second article explains the process a bit more. Plus there is a link inside the second article to a CNN web article that goes a little more indepth. But yeah, the Stanford website might offer more technical info if thats what your after flazzle.

THANKS! Much appreciated!