For Everyong who thinks it's sad MS is paying for exclusives...

To insure that the 360's market share doesn't plummit, MS has been buying exclusives AWAY from Sony left and right. What's really sad is how so many Sony fans are crying foul play and are now resorting to calling MS desperate and boarderline pathetic. Are you people forgetting one thing about the HD format war though? What about the $400 million that Sony paid Warner Brothers in order to bring them over to Blu Ray exclusively?

Honestly, how can you call MS out for doing the EXACT same thing as Sony? MS is doing what they have to in order to insure that the 360 remains the contender it's been thus far. To call MS's approach anything but brilliant and expected is only to make yourself sound foolish and hypocrytical.

To insure that the 360's market share doesn't plummit, MS has been buying exclusives AWAY from Sony left and right. What's really sad is how so many Sony fans are crying foul play and are now resorting to calling MS desperate and boarderline pathetic. Are you people forgetting one thing about the HD format war though? What about the $400 million that Sony paid Warner Brothers in order to bring them over to Blu Ray exclusively?

Honestly, how can you call MS out for doing the EXACT same thing as Sony? MS is doing what they have to in order to insure that the 360 remains the contender it's been thus far. To call MS's approach anything buy brilliant is only to make yourself sound foolish and hypocrytical.

Nedemis

2 completely different subjects, buying game exclusives won't make a major impact. Swaying a major (very major) movie company to exclusively go to Blu-ray is going to impact the whole movie industry (and it has), and will affect a whole lot more than just the PS3, It will impact Sony as a whole, not just it's games division.

[QUOTE="Nedemis"]

To insure that the 360's market share doesn't plummit, MS has been buying exclusives AWAY from Sony left and right. What's really sad is how so many Sony fans are crying foul play and are now resorting to calling MS desperate and boarderline pathetic. Are you people forgetting one thing about the HD format war though? What about the $400 million that Sony paid Warner Brothers in order to bring them over to Blu Ray exclusively?

Honestly, how can you call MS out for doing the EXACT same thing as Sony? MS is doing what they have to in order to insure that the 360 remains the contender it's been thus far. To call MS's approach anything buy brilliant is only to make yourself sound foolish and hypocrytical.

dream431ca

2 completely different subjects, buying game exclusives won't make a major impact. Swaying a major (very major) movie company to exclusively go to Blu-ray is going to impact the whole movie industry (and it has), and will affect a whole lot more than just the PS3, but Sony as a whole.

[QUOTE="dream431ca"][QUOTE="Nedemis"]

To insure that the 360's market share doesn't plummit, MS has been buying exclusives AWAY from Sony left and right. What's really sad is how so many Sony fans are crying foul play and are now resorting to calling MS desperate and boarderline pathetic. Are you people forgetting one thing about the HD format war though? What about the $400 million that Sony paid Warner Brothers in order to bring them over to Blu Ray exclusively?

Honestly, how can you call MS out for doing the EXACT same thing as Sony? MS is doing what they have to in order to insure that the 360 remains the contender it's been thus far. To call MS's approach anything buy brilliant is only to make yourself sound foolish and hypocrytical.

Nedemis

2 completely different subjects, buying game exclusives won't make a major impact. Swaying a major (very major) movie company to exclusively go to Blu-ray is going to impact the whole movie industry (and it has), and will affect a whole lot more than just the PS3, but Sony as a whole.

FF13 going multiplat is not a big deal at all. Lets see why:

1) PS3 version is coming out first (Japan), but because every PS3 is not region locked for PS3 games, anyone can import the game all over the world who knows japanese (who knows square might have english subs in the japanese version)

2) FFXIII is slated to come out on 360 and NA PS3s around 2010.

• By 2010 you would expect MS to be hyping it's next console
• The engine that was used on the PS3 version may not beable to work with the 360 (this is coming from square themselves)

3) Verses is not coming to the 360, so FF fans will still need a PS3 to get verses, and while there at it, they might as well get FFXIII on PS3 as well. Why get verses on PS3 and FFXIII on 360...:? that doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me.

But to get back on topic, MS can keep buying exclusives all they want, it's not gonna make too much of a dent in Sony, and my other point is the Blu-ray deal with WB, was much bigger than buying exclusives as it helped out Sony as a whole and a lot of other companies that are also supporting Blu-ray.

To insure that the 360's market share doesn't plummit, MS has been buying exclusives AWAY from Sony left and right. What's really sad is how so many Sony fans are crying foul play and are now resorting to calling MS desperate and boarderline pathetic. Are you people forgetting one thing about the HD format war though? What about the $400 million that Sony paid Warner Brothers in order to bring them over to Blu Ray exclusively?

Honestly, how can you call MS out for doing the EXACT same thing as Sony? MS is doing what they have to in order to insure that the 360 remains the contender it's been thus far. To call MS's approach anything but brilliant and expected is only to make yourself sound foolish and hypocrytical.

Nedemis

It's crazy to complain about Microsoft buying games. That's an awesome thing for their customers :?locopatho

But it's bad for loser fanboys who only support one console.

That 400million payment was never confirmed by anyone. It's just speculation. The source of you link says "Neither side has confirmed the size of any bids or payments."munu9

$400 million is just the estimated amount. For all we know Sony could've paid a billion for the swing of WB's support.

[QUOTE="munu9"]That 400million payment was never confirmed by anyone. It's just speculation. The source of you link says "Neither side has confirmed the size of any bids or payments."Nedemis

$400 million is just the estimated amount. For all we know Sony could've paid a billion for the swing of WB's support.

For all we know, sony didn't pay WB at all. :|

What exclusives did microsoft even buy? Isn't this something of a myth?Ninja-Hippo

Well the most obvious one is the exlusive GTA4 DLC, which was confirmed

[QUOTE="locopatho"]It's crazy to complain about Microsoft buying games. That's an awesome thing for their customers :?stepat201

But it's bad for loser fanboys who only support one console.

Lol true.

[QUOTE="Nedemis"]

[QUOTE="munu9"]That 400million payment was never confirmed by anyone. It's just speculation. The source of you link says "Neither side has confirmed the size of any bids or payments."munu9

$400 million is just the estimated amount. For all we know Sony could've paid a billion for the swing of WB's support.

For all we know, sony didn't pay WB at all. :|

[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"]What exclusives did microsoft even buy? Isn't this something of a myth?munu9

Well the most obvious one is the exlusive GTA4 DLC, which was confirmed

By the most obvious one, is that not "the only one"?

Buying exclusives is always pathetic.

One should earn exclusivty by offering something actually better than the competition(bigger market, better online service, bigger storage or whatever). Ps3 and 360 are about even so the only way to have exclusivity is buying them.

Sad...

PS:

Having two formats greatly hindered the HD media adoption in the begining(besides the low HD penetration and marginal quality increase over price), most consumers felt it was unacceptable to have a split in the market that would require you to own two difirent platforms to play all avaliable movies.

I don't know why gamers(the majority at least) feel that more platforms and more exclusives is a good thing. Seriously, 90% of all gamers do not want to buy multiple systems to reach games all games, they just want games like people just want to pop in a disc in a tray to watch a movie.

sure cause I'm sure a company such as WB didn't care whether or not they just lost money on a format one bit. Universal and Paramount were still on the HD DVD side BEFORE the WB shift. Sony paid something and i'm sure it wasn't cheap in order to get them to switch.Nedemis

At the time, blu-ray still have more supporters, and the format war was dragging on and on. WB could have benifited by going blu-ray exlusive and ending the war and having only to make blu-rays. Plus blu-rays had been consistently outselling HD-DVD's for nearly an entire year. Saying WB went exlusive without payment is as reasonable, if not more so, than saying SE gave the 360 FFXIII because of it's superior US market share...

By the most obvious one, is that not "the only one"?

Ninja-Hippo

I'm not sure, I'll have to do some snooping but I doubt there's only one.

[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"]

By the most obvious one, is that not "the only one"?

munu9

I'm not sure, I'll have to do some snooping but I doubt there's only one.

Surely the fact that we can only think of one, and it isnt even a game, proves the fact that there is no major issue of microsoft buying exclusives up?

[QUOTE="munu9"][QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"]

By the most obvious one, is that not "the only one"?

Ninja-Hippo

I'm not sure, I'll have to do some snooping but I doubt there's only one.

Surely the fact that we can only think of one, and it isnt even a game, proves the fact that there is no major issue of microsoft buying exclusives up?

All that it proves is that there is no information reguarding to any other game being bought by MS. It doesn't mean MS didn't buy any other exclusives.

[QUOTE="dream431ca"][QUOTE="Nedemis"]

To insure that the 360's market share doesn't plummit, MS has been buying exclusives AWAY from Sony left and right. What's really sad is how so many Sony fans are crying foul play and are now resorting to calling MS desperate and boarderline pathetic. Are you people forgetting one thing about the HD format war though? What about the $400 million that Sony paid Warner Brothers in order to bring them over to Blu Ray exclusively?

Honestly, how can you call MS out for doing the EXACT same thing as Sony? MS is doing what they have to in order to insure that the 360 remains the contender it's been thus far. To call MS's approach anything buy brilliant is only to make yourself sound foolish and hypocrytical.

Nedemis

2 completely different subjects, buying game exclusives won't make a major impact. Swaying a major (very major) movie company to exclusively go to Blu-ray is going to impact the whole movie industry (and it has), and will affect a whole lot more than just the PS3, but Sony as a whole.

One game doesnt win a console war and its still exclusive in the region most likly to buy a system for a FF game, Japan.

[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"][QUOTE="munu9"][QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"]

By the most obvious one, is that not "the only one"?

dream431ca

I'm not sure, I'll have to do some snooping but I doubt there's only one.

Surely the fact that we can only think of one, and it isnt even a game, proves the fact that there is no major issue of microsoft buying exclusives up?

All that it proves is that there is no information reguarding to any other game being bought by MS. It doesn't mean MS didn't buy any other exclusives.

That's true..but a day does not go by where a thread is made.....expressing that MS buys exclusive full games...when in-fact there is no proof one way or another...

[QUOTE="munu9"][QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"]

By the most obvious one, is that not "the only one"?

Ninja-Hippo

I'm not sure, I'll have to do some snooping but I doubt there's only one.

Surely the fact that we can only think of one, and it isnt even a game, proves the fact that there is no major issue of microsoft buying exclusives up?

Proof not existing is not proof that something doesn't exist (Or however the phrase goes). That said, until there's definite proof that Microsoft is buying exclusives, we can only assume they aren't.

[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"]What exclusives did microsoft even buy? Isn't this something of a myth?munu9

Well the most obvious one is the exlusive GTA4 DLC, which was confirmed

why do people still think that MS bought the DLC? It was a LOAN to R* and the conditions of that LOAN were to provide exclusive DLC which MS could recoup some of the money. whatever they dont make back, R* has to pay MS the difference. we all know that R* was badly in need of cash before GTA was released. This was a benefit to both companies

http://www.edge-online.com/news/microsoft-paid-50m-advance-gta-iv-content

http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3160409

All that it proves is that there is no information reguarding to any other game being bought by MS. It doesn't mean MS didn't buy any other exclusives. dream431ca

So you're basically guessing that they buy exclusives, and complaining that this problem which quite possibly doesnt actually exist is an issue?

Its just great business that's it.theycallmeryan

Great short term plan, long term not so good, because exclusives are getting expensive to buy and going multiplat faster and faster. Sony is doing the right thing in building its 1st party studios so its system sellers come from in house and have no risk of going multiplat.

That 400million payment was never confirmed by anyone. It's just speculation. The source of you link says "Neither side has confirmed the size of any bids or payments."munu9

[QUOTE="Nedemis"][QUOTE="dream431ca"][QUOTE="Nedemis"]

To insure that the 360's market share doesn't plummit, MS has been buying exclusives AWAY from Sony left and right. What's really sad is how so many Sony fans are crying foul play and are now resorting to calling MS desperate and boarderline pathetic. Are you people forgetting one thing about the HD format war though? What about the $400 million that Sony paid Warner Brothers in order to bring them over to Blu Ray exclusively?

Honestly, how can you call MS out for doing the EXACT same thing as Sony? MS is doing what they have to in order to insure that the 360 remains the contender it's been thus far. To call MS's approach anything buy brilliant is only to make yourself sound foolish and hypocrytical.

dream431ca

2 completely different subjects, buying game exclusives won't make a major impact. Swaying a major (very major) movie company to exclusively go to Blu-ray is going to impact the whole movie industry (and it has), and will affect a whole lot more than just the PS3, but Sony as a whole.

FF13 going multiplat is not a big deal at all. Lets see why:

1) PS3 version is coming out first (Japan), but because every PS3 is not region locked for PS3 games, anyone can import the game all over the world who knows japanese (who knows square might have english subs in the japanese version)

2) FFXIII is slated to come out on 360 and NA PS3s around 2010.

• By 2010 you would expect MS to be hyping it's next console
• The engine that was used on the PS3 version may not beable to work with the 360 (this is coming from square themselves)

3) Verses is not coming to the 360, so FF fans will still need a PS3 to get verses, and while there at it, they might as well get FFXIII on PS3 as well. Why get verses on PS3 and FFXIII on 360...:? that doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me.

But to get back on topic, MS can keep buying exclusives all they want, it's not gonna make too much of a dent in Sony, and my other point is the Blu-ray deal with WB, was much bigger than buying exclusives as it helped out Sony as a whole and a lot of other companies that are also supporting Blu-ray.

when one person decides they will not buy a PS3 cause the game is coming out for the system they already own is always a big deal dude. its not gonna bury Sony, but any dollar taken away is one dollar too much.

and please don't do the whole this or that is not coming, sometimes I wonder if PS3 owners should be called fish instead of cows cause it seem you guys never remember all the stuff that keeps happening when you guys say it wont. 8)

why do people still think that MS bought the DLC? It was a LOAN to R* and the conditions of that LOAN were to provide exclusive DLC which MS could recoup some of the money. whatever they dont make back, R* has to pay MS the difference. we all know that R* was badly in need of cash before GTA was released. This was a benefit to both companiesnavyguy21

Is MS buying exclusives FACT..or just assumption?masiisam

[QUOTE="Nedemis"][QUOTE="dream431ca"][QUOTE="Nedemis"]

To insure that the 360's market share doesn't plummit, MS has been buying exclusives AWAY from Sony left and right. What's really sad is how so many Sony fans are crying foul play and are now resorting to calling MS desperate and boarderline pathetic. Are you people forgetting one thing about the HD format war though? What about the $400 million that Sony paid Warner Brothers in order to bring them over to Blu Ray exclusively?

Honestly, how can you call MS out for doing the EXACT same thing as Sony? MS is doing what they have to in order to insure that the 360 remains the contender it's been thus far. To call MS's approach anything buy brilliant is only to make yourself sound foolish and hypocrytical.

dream431ca

2 completely different subjects, buying game exclusives won't make a major impact. Swaying a major (very major) movie company to exclusively go to Blu-ray is going to impact the whole movie industry (and it has), and will affect a whole lot more than just the PS3, but Sony as a whole.

FF13 going multiplat is not a big deal at all. Lets see why:

1) PS3 version is coming out first (Japan), but because every PS3 is not region locked for PS3 games, anyone can import the game all over the world who knows japanese (who knows square might have english subs in the japanese version)

2) FFXIII is slated to come out on 360 and NA PS3s around 2010.

• By 2010 you would expect MS to be hyping it's next console
• The engine that was used on the PS3 version may not beable to work with the 360 (this is coming from square themselves)

3) Verses is not coming to the 360, so FF fans will still need a PS3 to get verses, and while there at it, they might as well get FFXIII on PS3 as well. Why get verses on PS3 and FFXIII on 360...:? that doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me.

But to get back on topic, MS can keep buying exclusives all they want, it's not gonna make too much of a dent in Sony, and my other point is the Blu-ray deal with WB, was much bigger than buying exclusives as it helped out Sony as a whole and a lot of other companies that are also supporting Blu-ray.

Yeah I agree about FF13, FF fantasy fans will most likely buy t for the PS3 so they cold also play vs13. By 2010 PS3 will be cheaper and since FF13 will play best on PS3 due it it not being a port most gamers will likely purchase the PS3 version. Sure 360 version will sell but I can see PS3 version selling 3 times as much in 2010.

[QUOTE="dream431ca"][QUOTE="Nedemis"][QUOTE="dream431ca"][QUOTE="Nedemis"]

To insure that the 360's market share doesn't plummit, MS has been buying exclusives AWAY from Sony left and right. What's really sad is how so many Sony fans are crying foul play and are now resorting to calling MS desperate and boarderline pathetic. Are you people forgetting one thing about the HD format war though? What about the $400 million that Sony paid Warner Brothers in order to bring them over to Blu Ray exclusively?

Honestly, how can you call MS out for doing the EXACT same thing as Sony? MS is doing what they have to in order to insure that the 360 remains the contender it's been thus far. To call MS's approach anything buy brilliant is only to make yourself sound foolish and hypocrytical.

LEGEND_C4A

2 completely different subjects, buying game exclusives won't make a major impact. Swaying a major (very major) movie company to exclusively go to Blu-ray is going to impact the whole movie industry (and it has), and will affect a whole lot more than just the PS3, but Sony as a whole.

FF13 going multiplat is not a big deal at all. Lets see why:

1) PS3 version is coming out first (Japan), but because every PS3 is not region locked for PS3 games, anyone can import the game all over the world who knows japanese (who knows square might have english subs in the japanese version)

2) FFXIII is slated to come out on 360 and NA PS3s around 2010.

• By 2010 you would expect MS to be hyping it's next console
• The engine that was used on the PS3 version may not beable to work with the 360 (this is coming from square themselves)

3) Verses is not coming to the 360, so FF fans will still need a PS3 to get verses, and while there at it, they might as well get FFXIII on PS3 as well. Why get verses on PS3 and FFXIII on 360...:? that doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me.

But to get back on topic, MS can keep buying exclusives all they want, it's not gonna make too much of a dent in Sony, and my other point is the Blu-ray deal with WB, was much bigger than buying exclusives as it helped out Sony as a whole and a lot of other companies that are also supporting Blu-ray.

when one person decides they will not buy a PS3 cause the game is coming out for the system they already own is always a big deal dude. its not gonna bury Sony, but any dollar taken away is one dollar too much.

and please don't do the whole this or that is not coming, sometimes I wonder if PS3 owners should be called fish instead of cows cause it seem you guys never remember all the stuff that keeps happening when you guys say it wont. 8)

The problem for MS is that sony owns 10% of Square Enix. So if FFXIII sells really well on both consoles, Sony still gets money from the game selling on the 360, due to owning a big share of Square Enix.

If they are really buying exclusives then I got to say that I love them for that. They are providing their consumers as much as they can. And to be going out so far and hard to buy exclusives just for their gamers then I will back up MS til the end :)

Even if MS is buying off all of Sony's exclusives, this is a good thing! They're pushing Sony to make their own quality games with their own will power.

Also cows should be happy for lemmings to be able to play FF13. They should be happy more people can see why they favor Square so much and should be welcoming them into the realm of RPG goodness. :)

[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"][QUOTE="munu9"][QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"]

By the most obvious one, is that not "the only one"?

Technoweirdo

I'm not sure, I'll have to do some snooping but I doubt there's only one.

Surely the fact that we can only think of one, and it isnt even a game, proves the fact that there is no major issue of microsoft buying exclusives up?

Proof not existing is not proof that something doesn't exist (Or however the phrase goes). That said, until there's definite proof that Microsoft is buying exclusives, we can only assume they aren't.

the quote is actually lack of proof is not proof for lack of existence. still, you make a valid and honest point. just because there is no proof of MS buying exclusives doesn't mean that they're not, but it also doesn't mean that they are and are concealing it. truth is, no one but ms knows if indeed they are buying exclusives or not, but until actual definitive proof is brought forward, the logical assumption, and possibly the most truthful assumption is that they aren't.

What I find sad is that instead of building up their own dev studios, they rely on thirs party devs. Sony though realise that this wont work forever.

Next gen MS may be in a tough position where third party devs decide to go multiplat. Then MS will have next to no exclusives...

Sony makes more exclusives than MS in the first place. Why is that going to change? Because MS "bought" some their way... That make A LOT of sense. :roll:LOXO7

I know you response will prolly be just WAIT till this or that game comes out. Well have fun waiting and hoping those games are good.

I bought my PS3 solely for FFXIII but since the announcement i've decided to get FFXIII on the 360 and Vs. XIII on the PS3, if Vs. XIII was coming out on the 360 it would be sayonara to my PS3.

Anyway if MS have bought exclusives in the past i fail to see how its bad, they're keeping their customers happy which is something Sony should try and do more.

I bought my PS3 solely for FFXIII but since the announcement i've decided to get FFXIII on the 360 and Vs. XIII on the PS3, if Vs. XIII was coming out on the 360 it would be sayonara to my PS3.

Anyway if MS have bought exclusives in the past i fail to see how its bad, they're keeping their customers happy which is something Sony should try and do more.

Snugenz

you bought a console for one game?

I would never do that. i bought my ps3 for lots of games.

[QUOTE="LOXO7"]Sony makes more exclusives than MS in the first place. Why is that going to change? Because MS "bought" some their way... That make A LOT of sense. :roll:rybe1025

I know you response will prolly be just WAIT till this or that game comes out. Well have fun waiting and hoping those games are good.

If people buy games ultimately according to scores and reviews, ...id be shocked. And id have to say those aren't gamers, in my eyes.

[QUOTE="Nedemis"]

To insure that the 360's market share doesn't plummit, MS has been buying exclusives AWAY from Sony left and right. What's really sad is how so many Sony fans are crying foul play and are now resorting to calling MS desperate and boarderline pathetic. Are you people forgetting one thing about the HD format war though? What about the $400 million that Sony paid Warner Brothers in order to bring them over to Blu Ray exclusively?

Honestly, how can you call MS out for doing the EXACT same thing as Sony? MS is doing what they have to in order to insure that the 360 remains the contender it's been thus far. To call MS's approach anything buy brilliant is only to make yourself sound foolish and hypocrytical.

dream431ca

2 completely different subjects, buying game exclusives won't make a major impact. Swaying a major (very major) movie company to exclusively go to Blu-ray is going to impact the whole movie industry (and it has), and will affect a whole lot more than just the PS3, It will impact Sony as a whole, not just it's games division.

if you think GTA4 on 360 was nothing major you got to be an idiot. But I give you the benfit of the doubt.

[QUOTE="Snugenz"]

I bought my PS3 solely for FFXIII but since the announcement i've decided to get FFXIII on the 360 and Vs. XIII on the PS3, if Vs. XIII was coming out on the 360 it would be sayonara to my PS3.

Anyway if MS have bought exclusives in the past i fail to see how its bad, they're keeping their customers happy which is something Sony should try and do more.

NinjaMunkey01

you bought a console for one game?

I would never do that. i bought my ps3 for lots of games.

I got my 360 and PC for the lots part :P