For the sake of Capcom and Konami, DMC and MGS4 need to go MULTIPLAT

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#51 Paul_Phoenicks
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I can see MGS 4 being announced as multiplat when Konami's fiscal year ends and they realize that Sony just doesn't have the consoles out there in people's hands to justify it being exclusive. Also, you can probably expect Nintendo Wii and DS game production to go through the roof, now that the DS rules the world and the Wii isn't a fluke! Does that mean more Cartoon Network games? Sure does!
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Once again net income does not equal direct profit. Revenue is the total money earned from sales of products and services. The bottom line is that Sony in total, spent that much more on development. Net income has little to no effect on actual product production, why do you think Sony has the largest first party studio. Net income is not what benefits consumers. espoac


False. Revenue is the total money earned from sales of products and services BEFORE costs are deducted and it has zero relevance for investors, unless you are a start-up company. Net Income is the real money earned by the company, the pot that they get to keep and Microsoft's net income was twelve times larger than Sony's last year. While Net Income doesn't necessarily benefit consumers, it does benefit investors a great deal.

But, I will give you this: it was a very clever attempt at spin on your part to explain why Sony is a richer company than Microsoft. I commend you, but it doesn't change the fact that you are wrong.
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#53 espoac
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I can see MGS 4 being announced as multiplat when Konami's fiscal year ends and they realize that Sony just doesn't have the consoles out there in people's hands to justify it being exclusive. Also, you can probably expect Nintendo Wii and DS game production to go through the roof, now that the DS rules the world and the Wii isn't a fluke! Does that mean more Cartoon Network games? Sure does!Paul_Phoenicks
Ya know if the PS3 vs. Wii situation turned out exactly like DS vs. PSP, I'd be very happy(as a PS3 owner) because look at all the good games(say what you will about them being dumbed down ports) that the PSP has.
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#55 espoac
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[QUOTE="espoac"]Once again net income does not equal direct profit. Revenue is the total money earned from sales of products and services. The bottom line is that Sony in total, spent that much more on development. Net income has little to no effect on actual product production, why do you think Sony has the largest first party studio. Net income is not what benefits consumers. thinicer


False. Revenue is the total money earned from sales of products and services BEFORE costs are deducted and it has zero relevance for investors, unless you are a start-up company. Net Income is the real money earned by the company, the pot that they get to keep and Microsoft's net income was twelve times larger than Sony's last year. While Net Income doesn't necessarily benefit consumers, it does benefit investors a great deal.

But, I will give you this: it was a very clever attempt at spin on your part to explain why Sony is a richer company than Microsoft. I commend you, but it doesn't change the fact that you are wrong.

what benefits investers doesn't necessarily benefit consumers. Sony absolutley has a larger over-head and it seems as if whatever money they're putting in to such projects is leaving them with a lower bottom-line, but then again we don't really know what Microsoft and Sony are investing in or if they're just re-cooping from previous losses or rather what Microsoft is not investing in, this is why I'm counting revnue as only counting net-income would be pretty short sighted.
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#56 luigionlsd
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No they don't.
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[QUOTE="espoac"]Net income does not equal direct profit.
thinicer


Uhhhhhh....yes it does, dude. Net Income is commonly called "The bottom line." It is what remains after subtracting all the costs (namely, business, depreciation, interest, and taxes) from a company’s revenues. It is also called earnings or net profit.

Did you ever take an Accounting course?

Lmao... nice ownage.

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#58 Philosoma
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You made your choice when you decided to support xbox360, if you want those games you can either get a PS3 or get a life.proof11102


Bravo!
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#59 jyoung312
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Those games will sell systems and remain exclusive. Ppl will buy PS3s to play those. If they go to the 360 they will be watered-down ports. I don't even see whole it's possible to have MGS4 on 360 bc its rumored to need a 50GB blu-ray disc, there is no way in hell will they compress that data onto a DVD9.  And if Resistance is any indicator with 18-20 gbs on that disk than games that are originally designed for PS3 will suffer huge translation difficulties to the 360 even at this early of a stage.  Doesn't anyone wonder why Gears is so short? It's because the physical limitations of the DVD format. 360's capacity will be severely limited by the dvd format to the point that in a year or two you will need 2-3 disks for one game like back in the PS1 era. Back to the point those games don't need to go multiplatium b/c they in themselves guarantee that Sony will catch up bigtime.
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#60 iwishiwasrich
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well sony cant sell ps3 cuz these game arnt out.
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#61 Rashpal
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There's a typo in your title. I think you mean't for the sake of Lemmings and Sheeps...
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#62 _Ishida_
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All ps3 needs is a price drop.
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#63 LoG-Sacrament
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If only you people wanted DMC to actually be excited about playing it....... instead its all for the ownage.StealthSting
you must be talking about 360 owners. dmc3 was a huge success in sales for ps2. however, japanese style games typically sell bad on xbox consoles.
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#64 miss_kitt3n
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Hey, THINK!!!

PS3's sales will increase once those games are out!

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#65 Rob2223
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[QUOTE="dustin-diamond"]

These are bigtime exclusive games and they are going to be housed on the worst selling console... heck the PS3 cant even outsell the GBA.

I feel bad for Capcom and Konami as these great titles dont have much potential for blockbuster sales on a console with such a limited user-base.... I suppose they had no idea how poor PS3 sales would be when these titles were announced and they simply backed the wrong horse.

DA_B0MB
1.) The GBA is about 700% cheaper 2.) The PS3 has not launched in Europe yet. That said, it's sales aren't bad at all.



so they pay you to take it?

100% cheaper would be $600 cheaper...............so GBA is $4200 cheaper than Ps3?
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There's a typo in your title. I think you mean't for the sake of Lemmings and Sheeps...Rashpal
lol yep.
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#68 _Ishida_
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:lol: another lemming wants PS3 exclusive
 white_sox
Yup, DMC is that Godly.
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These are bigtime exclusive games and they are going to be housed on the worst selling console... heck the PS3 cant even outsell the GBA.

I feel bad for Capcom and Konami as these great titles dont have much potential for blockbuster sales on a console with such a limited user-base.... I suppose they had no idea how poor PS3 sales would be when these titles were announced and they simply backed the wrong horse.

dustin-diamond


Yes, put them on the Wii, where they will look like dog crap and get avoided.  The non-gamers, which makes up the majority of the Wii's market, won't care about these games, and Nintendo fanboys who also make up a large chunk of Wii's userbase, don't buy anything but Nintendo games.  It would be pointless.  And the games won't go to 360 because the 360 may as well not exist in Japan, and on top of that, the last time an MGS game was put on an Xbox console, it flopped.  These games are killer apps, and they will push sales of PS3.  I think they're fine keeping the games exclusive.
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#70 air0123
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All ps3 needs is a price drop. _Ishida_
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These are bigtime exclusive games and they are going to be housed on the worst selling console... heck the PS3 cant even outsell the GBA.

I feel bad for Capcom and Konami as these great titles dont have much potential for blockbuster sales on a console with such a limited user-base.... I suppose they had no idea how poor PS3 sales would be when these titles were announced and they simply backed the wrong horse.

dustin-diamond
360 can't outsell a ps2 which has over 100million to date around the world..... don't come with ps3 can't outsell this and that, its not even completely launched yet.
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The one who's in big trouble is SquareEnix. They're going to lose millions on investment on FFXIII and vsXIII, the PS3 will not sell enough units to cover for their loses, the DS may give them some financial backing but they can't go on without profit from the ps3 side which is their biggest investment.
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The one who's in big trouble is SquareEnix. They're going to lose millions on investment on FFXIII and vsXIII, the PS3 will not sell enough units to cover for their loses, the DS may give them some financial backing but they can't go on without profit from the ps3 side which is their biggest investment. themyth01
That was funny
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[QUOTE="themyth01"] The one who's in big trouble is SquareEnix. They're going to lose millions on investment on FFXIII and vsXIII, the PS3 will not sell enough units to cover for their loses, the DS may give them some financial backing but they can't go on without profit from the ps3 side which is their biggest investment. poopinloop32
That was funny

The PS3 sales figures are funny.
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[QUOTE="StealthSting"]If only you people wanted DMC to actually be excited about playing it....... instead its all for the ownage.LoG-Sacrament
you must be talking about 360 owners. dmc3 was a huge success in sales for ps2. however, japanese style games typically sell bad on xbox consoles.

Nah I'm not talking about a fanbase as a hole. I'm adressing the people that want this game so that at the end of the day they can come in here and say: PS3 just lost a very good exclusive, what now cows?
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[QUOTE="dustin-diamond"]

These are bigtime exclusive games and they are going to be housed on the worst selling console... heck the PS3 cant even outsell the GBA.

I feel bad for Capcom and Konami as these great titles dont have much potential for blockbuster sales on a console with such a limited user-base.... I suppose they had no idea how poor PS3 sales would be when these titles were announced and they simply backed the wrong horse.

jonesy1911
360 can't outsell a ps2 which has over 100million to date around the world..... don't come with ps3 can't outsell this and that, its not even completely launched yet.



The PS3 getting outsold by the GBA is more embarrassing than 360 getting outsold by PS2, end of discussion.
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What is so pathetic, is the fact that people are crying over the one of the 3 worst month for console sales and software sales.
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#78 poopinloop32
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[QUOTE="poopinloop32"][QUOTE="themyth01"] The one who's in big trouble is SquareEnix. They're going to lose millions on investment on FFXIII and vsXIII, the PS3 will not sell enough units to cover for their loses, the DS may give them some financial backing but they can't go on without profit from the ps3 side which is their biggest investment. themyth01
That was funny

The PS3 sales figures are funny.

not why im laughing
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[QUOTE="jonesy1911"][QUOTE="dustin-diamond"]

These are bigtime exclusive games and they are going to be housed on the worst selling console... heck the PS3 cant even outsell the GBA.

I feel bad for Capcom and Konami as these great titles dont have much potential for blockbuster sales on a console with such a limited user-base.... I suppose they had no idea how poor PS3 sales would be when these titles were announced and they simply backed the wrong horse.

Gamer46

360 can't outsell a ps2 which has over 100million to date around the world..... don't come with ps3 can't outsell this and that, its not even completely launched yet.



The PS3 getting outsold by the GBA is more embarrassing than 360 getting outsold by PS2, end of discussion.

Pretty much.

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#80 air0123
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[QUOTE="Gamer46"][QUOTE="jonesy1911"][QUOTE="dustin-diamond"]

These are bigtime exclusive games and they are going to be housed on the worst selling console... heck the PS3 cant even outsell the GBA.

I feel bad for Capcom and Konami as these great titles dont have much potential for blockbuster sales on a console with such a limited user-base.... I suppose they had no idea how poor PS3 sales would be when these titles were announced and they simply backed the wrong horse.

The_Game21x

360 can't outsell a ps2 which has over 100million to date around the world..... don't come with ps3 can't outsell this and that, its not even completely launched yet.



The PS3 getting outsold by the GBA is more embarrassing than 360 getting outsold by PS2, end of discussion.

Pretty much.

360 outselling both gba and ps3, much more embarrassing being a cow. For cows sake i hope that the ps2 continues to sell well, because they have nothing else to look forward to.
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Froma developers standpoint? The OPs right. These are games that will sell on their own merit no matter the system they are developed for. More money for the developer means better games, means a better time for gamers all round.
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[QUOTE="dustin-diamond"]

These are bigtime exclusive games and they are going to be housed on the worst selling console... heck the PS3 cant even outsell the GBA.

I feel bad for Capcom and Konami as these great titles dont have much potential for blockbuster sales on a console with such a limited user-base.... I suppose they had no idea how poor PS3 sales would be when these titles were announced and they simply backed the wrong horse.

DA_B0MB
1.) The GBA is about 700% cheaper 2.) The PS3 has not launched in Europe yet. That said, it's sales aren't bad at all.

why. why why why do u think europe is gonna save the ps3? Europe does not matter at this point.
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[QUOTE="DA_B0MB"][QUOTE="dustin-diamond"]

These are bigtime exclusive games and they are going to be housed on the worst selling console... heck the PS3 cant even outsell the GBA.

I feel bad for Capcom and Konami as these great titles dont have much potential for blockbuster sales on a console with such a limited user-base.... I suppose they had no idea how poor PS3 sales would be when these titles were announced and they simply backed the wrong horse.

Japanese_Monk
1.) The GBA is about 700% cheaper 2.) The PS3 has not launched in Europe yet. That said, it's sales aren't bad at all.

why. why why why do u think europe is gonna save the ps3? Europe does not matter at this point.

It doesn't matter? I'm sorry but I totally have to disagree with you.
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Sony will already have over 3M consoles sold by the end of next month. By the time those games come out they will have well over 5M consoles sold PLUS the holidays will be around the corner. They will both sell over 2M as they are two of the most anticipated games for anyone that does own a PS3.... So not only do they not have a 'need' to go multiplat, the odds of them doing so are pretty slim.
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[QUOTE="Orpheus_1986"]Froma developers standpoint? The OPs right. These are games that will sell on their own merit no matter the system they are developed for. More money for the developer means better games, means a better time for gamers all round.

That's the case for every game. But if every dev thought like that then the only exclusives for ANY system would be first party games. Which would just leave me with less of a reason to own more than one console. I enjoy 3rd party exclusives... it needs to stay the way it is.
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[QUOTE="LoG-Sacrament"][QUOTE="StealthSting"]If only you people wanted DMC to actually be excited about playing it....... instead its all for the ownage.StealthSting
you must be talking about 360 owners. dmc3 was a huge success in sales for ps2. however, japanese style games typically sell bad on xbox consoles.

Nah I'm not talking about a fanbase as a hole. I'm adressing the people that want this game so that at the end of the day they can come in here and say: PS3 just lost a very good exclusive, what now cows?

before these rumors came, all i read from 360 owners was "dmc has an annoying protagonist." i havent heard of a lemming on this forum that is really interested in playing dmc4
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Sony will already have over 3M consoles sold by the end of next month. By the time those games come out they will have well over 5M consoles sold PLUS the holidays will be around the corner. They will both sell over 2M as they are two of the most anticipated games for anyone that does own a PS3.... So not only do they not have a 'need' to go multiplat, the odds of them doing so are pretty slim.Sgt_Hale

I wouldn't be so sure they'll both sell 2+ million if the PS3 doesn't have 10-15 million consoles sold by then. Let's keep in mind that if for some reason Sony actually has sold 3 million units by the end of next month (I can't really tell who's being honest with numbers anymore), and 5 mil by the time the games come out, this means almost half of all PS3 owners have to buy both games. I'm not saying it isn't possible (Gears has sold 4 million, which puts it at about that rate), but I don't think Devil May Cry has the name recognition among casual gamers to pull that off. Metal Gear might be able to, but you have to remember that a huge selling point for Gears (and Halo before it, if we're using system sellers as an example) was the online play. The fact of the matter is, if MGS IV doesn't have multiplayer, I don't see it selling to 50% of all PS3 owners (although God knows I'm sure it'll sell really well).

And even if it does, 2 million copies still might not be what Konami needs to offset the massive costs of making said game...

Edit: For the record, I'd be more than happy to play DMC and MGS IV on the 360, but since I've never played a DMC game before, and haven't played MGS since the PS1 version, I can't say I'm going to live or die by Konami and Capcom's porting decisions...

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#88 xX0LDSCH00LXx
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[QUOTE="El_Fanboy"]your threads make me want to shove you into a locker screech style. The ps2 outsold the xbox 360 this month, the ps brand has some serious pull, it would be ignorant to rule them out this early.

The PS2 is a "WELFARE" console every F@#$!N moron knows this including Sony themselves! everyone on "WELFARE" or collecting "FOODSTAMPS" can own one!!! The console is cheap the games are cheap.. "HELLO" I really wish Sony fanboys would stop holding that "TURD" over everyones head it makes my F@#$!N P!$$ BOIL!!!
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#89 LoG-Sacrament
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[QUOTE="xX0LDSCH00LXx"][QUOTE="El_Fanboy"]your threads make me want to shove you into a locker screech style. The ps2 outsold the xbox 360 this month, the ps brand has some serious pull, it would be ignorant to rule them out this early.

The PS2 is a "WELFARE" console every F@#$!N moron knows this including Sony themselves! everyone on "WELFARE" or collecting "FOODSTAMPS" can own one!!! The console is cheap the games are cheap.. "HELLO" I really wish Sony fanboys would stop holding that "TURD" over everyones head it makes my F@#$!N P!$$ BOIL!!!

gcn was the cheapest console. that didnt perform too well...