Former People can fly dev: "PS4 is 50% faster,other AAA devs agree"

A people can fly dev has tweeted saying that the PS4 is 50% faster than the X1 and some other AAA devs he's talked to agree

https://twitter.com/adrianchm

The dev posted on GAF saying

I think Adrian should jump into the conversation. He does it all the time in his blogs. 

Here I am. So...

1. I am not doing a damage control, but I do want to clarify one thing. But first, yes, devs I know -- and as someone has shown it before in this thread, some other devs already talked about it too -- claim that there's 50% speed difference WHEN DEVELOPING in cross-gen/next-gen PS4/XO games. So there we are, I said it and I stand by it. Notice: WHEN DEVELOPING. It'll become clear in a second.

2. Will this change in the future? WIll devs discover some tricks to narrow the gap? Will stuff like XO cloud computing help? Hell if I know. Uhm, maybe? I know that devs -- well, most of them -- will do whatever they can do get you the best games possible. You're going to see a lot of multiplatform games this next gen, just as you've seen them in this gen, so it's in studios' best interest that there's no clear advantage in one version over the other.

3. Does it mean studios will cripple PS4 versions to match XO ones? Not really, do not underestimate the devs. Even if this happens, you will not know that and that's okay. You've never seen most games in their most powerful form anyway (when we work on them on our ninja dev PCs in 1080p 120fps with all the antialiasings and stuff turned on for shits and giggles). But most of the time devs have a target and they meet this target. If it's a multiplatform game, it's designed with this in mind from the start. So maybe it's not maxing out one console while going 100% on the other. Maybe it's 100% on both, but they take extra time for super-extra optimizations on the weaker hardware to make sure things look the same as on the more powerful platform. Etc. etc.

4. So what is that "one thing" I want to clarify, that some people may consider "damage control", but really is just an explanation. Someone mentioned Titanfall, which looks money and enjoys a great hype. Exactly. A great dev will make a great game no matter what's the hardware. Current gen CoDs looks great and it's 60 fps, on both platforms (well, and PC :). To most devs that is just impossible to achieve. And yet...

Think about it this way. X360 is faster than PS3. Not just easier to program on, it's faster overall (although PS is faster/better in SOME areas). And yet no exclusive on X360 looks like The Last of Us. Halo 4 looks great. Gears blew my mind in 2006. And still, the best looking AAA game of this generation belongs to the supposedly weaker platform.

So if you think that the war is over because PS4 is 50% faster TODAY, then you're delusional. This is far from over, and will probably never be over, at least not this upcoming gen.

faster how?  they kind of need to back it up with some sort of data, benchmarks, quantification

But it can't do 60FPS unless its KZ and multiplayer. clyde46

If its 50% more powerful I just wish the games would show it. I know these are launch games but a 50% more power there should be a noticable diffrence graphically no matter what

BS! 

But it can't do 60FPS unless its KZ and multiplayer. clyde46

i call b.s on that unless they comparing it to wii u lol

of course we can all go look at ps3 being more powerful then the 360. You see how far that got them? no where...

Impossible. MS has secret surprise orvsomething

faster how?  they kind of need to back it up with some sort of data, benchmarks, quantification

lostrib

yea thats like saying the ps4 is 60% better than the xbox one..lol

[QUOTE="clyde46"]But it can't do 60FPS unless its KZ and multiplayer. DrTrafalgarLaw

The up clock on the GPU and CPU. The edram and the move engines. No way. 

[QUOTE="DrTrafalgarLaw"][QUOTE="clyde46"]But it can't do 60FPS unless its KZ and multiplayer. clyde46

Impossible. MS has secret surprise orvsomething

Chutebox

Which will likely be shit

can someone provide the neogaf link where he comments "oh fvck"

[QUOTE="DrTrafalgarLaw"][QUOTE="clyde46"]But it can't do 60FPS unless its KZ and multiplayer. clyde46

Pretty sure DICE and War Thunder devs have also made similar comments.

PS4 is stronger. Everyone knows it. Xbox fanboys can't handle the truth.:P

Pretty sure DICE and War Thunder devs have also made similar comments. PS4 is stronger. Everyone knows it. Xbox fanboys can't handle the truth. drakekratos

but its not stronger...its faster.

didn't you read the article?

Pretty sure DICE and War Thunder devs have also made similar comments.

 

PS4 is stronger. Everyone knows it. Xbox fanboys can't handle the truth.:P

drakekratos

okay, now let's see what it translates to in real world performance

[QUOTE="drakekratos"]Pretty sure DICE and War Thunder devs have also made similar comments. PS4 is stronger. Everyone knows it. Xbox fanboys can't handle the truth. KBFloYd

but its not stronger...its faster.

didn't you read the article?

PS4 doesn't even lift, it just does cardio

[QUOTE="DrTrafalgarLaw"][QUOTE="clyde46"]But it can't do 60FPS unless its KZ and multiplayer. clyde46

Pretty sure DICE and War Thunder devs have also made similar comments.

 

PS4 is stronger. Everyone knows it. Xbox fanboys can't handle the truth.:P

drakekratos

I'll believe it when I see it.

[QUOTE="KBFloYd"]

[QUOTE="drakekratos"]Pretty sure DICE and War Thunder devs have also made similar comments. PS4 is stronger. Everyone knows it. Xbox fanboys can't handle the truth. lostrib

but its not stronger...its faster.

didn't you read the article?

PS4 doesn't even lift, it just does cardio

no weights no power...

well at least it can outrun the competition.

Lots of angry, heartbroken Xbots in here today.... PS4 is faster, stronger, and better in everyway possible.

MS screwed up their console, thats why Don Mattrick left the company. Because he knew he would get fired for this mess. 

[QUOTE="drakekratos"]Pretty sure DICE and War Thunder devs have also made similar comments. PS4 is stronger. Everyone knows it. Xbox fanboys can't handle the truth. KBFloYd

but its not stronger...its faster.

didn't you read the article?

Lots of angry, heartbroken Xbots in here today.... PS4 is faster, stronger, and better in everyday possible. MS screwed up their console, thats why Don Mattrick left the company. Because he knew he would get fired for this mess. DEAL WITH IT. drakekratos

pretty sure that last part isn't actually true/provable

MS is dispatching an assassination team as we speak.

Lots of angry, heartbroken Xbots in here today.... PS4 is faster, stronger, and better in everyday possible. MS screwed up their console, thats why Don Mattrick left the company. Because he knew he would get fired for this mess. DEAL WITH IT. drakekratos

the visual difference might be just like 360/ps3...can you deal with that?

[QUOTE="drakekratos"]Lots of angry, heartbroken Xbots in here today.... PS4 is faster, stronger, and better in everyday possible. MS screwed up their console, thats why Don Mattrick left the company. Because he knew he would get fired for this mess. DEAL WITH IT. lostrib

pretty sure that last part isn't actually true/provable

Performance: Im not dismissing raw performance. Im stating as I have stated from the beginning that the performance delta between the two platforms is not as great as the raw numbers lead the average consumer to believe. There are things about our system architecture not fully understood, and there are things about theirs as well, that bring the two systems into balance. 

People DO understand that Microsoft has some of the smartest graphics programmers IN THE WORLD. We CREATED DirectX, the standard APIs that everyone programs against. So while people laude Sony for their HW skills, do you really think we dont know how to build a system optimized for maximizing graphics for programmers? Seriously? There is no way were giving up a 30%+ advantage to Sony. And ANYONE who has seen both systems running could say there are great looking games on both systems. If there was really huge performance difference it would be obvious. 

I get a ton of hate for saying this but its been the same EVERY generation. Sony claims more power, they did it with Cell, they did it with Emotion Engine, and they are doing it again. And, in the end, games on our system looked the same or better. 

Im not saying they havent built a good system Im merely saying that anyone who wants to die on their sword over this 30%+ power advantage are going to be fighting an uphill battle over the next 10 years

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=80168873&postcount=708

[QUOTE="drakekratos"]Lots of angry, heartbroken Xbots in here today.... PS4 is faster, stronger, and better in everyday possible. MS screwed up their console, thats why Don Mattrick left the company. Because he knew he would get fired for this mess. DEAL WITH IT. KBFloYd

the visual difference might be just like 360/ps3...can you deal with that?

[QUOTE="lostrib"]

[QUOTE="drakekratos"]Lots of angry, heartbroken Xbots in here today.... PS4 is faster, stronger, and better in everyday possible. MS screwed up their console, thats why Don Mattrick left the company. Because he knew he would get fired for this mess. DEAL WITH IT. drakekratos

pretty sure that last part isn't actually true/provable

[QUOTE="lostrib"]

[QUOTE="drakekratos"]Lots of angry, heartbroken Xbots in here today.... PS4 is faster, stronger, and better in everyday possible. MS screwed up their console, thats why Don Mattrick left the company. Because he knew he would get fired for this mess. DEAL WITH IT. drakekratos

pretty sure that last part isn't actually true/provable

or you know he wanted to become CEO of a company.  But you seem to only view things from your sony fanboy prism

LOL@ Xbox fanboys... honestly.... Just admit that they screwed up the Xbox One... Everyone knows it..... Even the former Xbox-President Don Mattrick... He quickly left the company when he saw all the backlash X1 was gettingdrakekratos

Yeah, xbox 1 failed! just look at this irrelevant evidence! derp

[QUOTE="KBFloYd"]

[QUOTE="drakekratos"]Lots of angry, heartbroken Xbots in here today.... PS4 is faster, stronger, and better in everyday possible. MS screwed up their console, thats why Don Mattrick left the company. Because he knew he would get fired for this mess. DEAL WITH IT. Shensolidus

the visual difference might be just like 360/ps3...can you deal with that?

So you're saying MGS:V will look and run significantly better on PS4 than XB1?

 I find it funny how people on the forums are still going nuts over this when casuals do not even care, i was at GAME today to try out the 3DS [amazing device] and i could hear people who went up to the till to buy games and pre order consoles and trust me, i saw a lot of Xbox One pre orders, obviously i cannot confirm if it had to do with the FIFA and FORZA bundle but people seem encouraged to pre order the console which i think personally is great cause the console is a compelling device.

[QUOTE="drakekratos"][QUOTE="lostrib"]

pretty sure that last part isn't actually true/provable

lostrib

or you know he wanted to become CEO of a company.  But you seem to only view things from your sony fanboy prism

i call b.s on that unless they comparing it to wii u lol

of course we can all go look at ps3 being more powerful then the 360. You see how far that got them? no where...

k2theswiss

PS3 is a mess the power is lost in trying to get it to work.   It takes too much to hand code each SPU and the split Memory is just a mess. 

YES PS3 is powerful but even now no one is doing all that they can to push it. But the question would be why... even for Sony the cost is just too much, as it would add time and money for the game to come out.   

Even now there is a point that has not been pushed but the bottom level has ben consistantly raised, and more developers can put ot some impressive games. Still it does not matter as their is a benchmark for multiplatform games and they try to get both consoles to have the game work the same. 

NeoGaf is nothing but bias PS fanboys. I wouldn't believe anything they spout out. I'm sure none of these devs are programming on the XB1.