Forza 3 vs. GT5 There Is No Rivalry

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[QUOTE="f50p90"] Like I said, nascar and rally.. In the end the assists won't mean jack... Forza might be better than GT, but it won't be because of that feature.. And Nascar and rally will certainly attract more people than driving assists :?

f50p90

They only thing you have is NASCAR and Rally are going to move the genre forward? I did not think EA's NASCAR set the genre on fire..What about Dirt? Did it move the genre forward?

You can't name anything else Poly is doing? Not one core gameplay dynamic?

Neither can I and that's why I said

"From what they expressed they are aware of the learning curve and trying to make it more accessible....Just another point on how T10 is trying to move the genre forward....I wish the same can be said about Poly.. "

My god what a waste of time...

[QUOTE="masiisam"]What you don't seem to realize is sales do NOT show how accessible the genre is..50mil over 10 years in sales is great....PAST sales do not MOVE the genre forward

If want to debate then tell me something that Poly is doing to attract a deeper casual demographic with GT5?

f50p90

Nobody outside of America cares about Nascar. Seriously. Stop using it as a +.

[QUOTE="f50p90"]

[QUOTE="masiisam"]What you don't seem to realize is sales do NOT show how accessible the genre is..50mil over 10 years in sales is great....PAST sales do not MOVE the genre forward

If want to debate then tell me something that Poly is doing to attract a deeper casual demographic with GT5?

CreepyBacon

Nobody outside of America cares about Nascar. Seriously. Stop using it as a +.

Gran Turismo fan boys are bitter about there franchise being knocked off way back in 05. A little insecure a tad bit of jealousy Hell i would be to if all i had to play was a dumbed down demo with 10 year old physics! Wheres the full game better yet wheres the freakin damage? oh right there working on it........for how long? 5 years hmmm with all that time you better be able to tbone the car in front of you flip your car in the air fly around a bit when it falls back to earth break in half doors blow off wheels fly off into the sunset i want to see an explosion in full hd 60fps! Thats what i want out of grantuismo5 to be thedefinitive racer of this gen. At the end of the day with Gran Turismo your left with a bitter sweet taste in your mouth and broken promises because the developer is to stubborn to get the show on the road. What have you done for me now poly not 5 years ago but now?

I really hope this doesn't blow up in my face.....:lol: Forza 3 Racing game of the year!!!!

watching both in motion gt5 looks alot better.pconlygoodgames

GT5 > Forza 3, The Rivalry has Ended! :D

its a well matched battle Forza gets higher reviews, while GT gets the higher sales numbers. They are in direct competition, so i say there is a rivalry here. jg4xchamp

GT5 > Forza 3, The Rivalry has Ended! :D

jakehouston88

i am just looking forward to both games actually... unlike many in here who probably can only play 1 game on the console they own so authomatically declare that game superior/better..

On which will be better we cannot say for now, at least not until both games get released, reviewed, tested & played.. Until then both are shaping up nicely but if i have to bet my money on which will be overall better, i'll put them on GT5..

[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"]its a well matched battle Forza gets higher reviews, while GT gets the higher sales numbers. They are in direct competition, so i say there is a rivalry here. ThatsSimtastic

No Rivalry except for The Forza team making fun of the GT team playing their game at E3 (Even though the Forza team obviously was inspired by GT in the first place.)

Then, right after that, there was the ForzaGATE Bribe scandal on CNET.

Forza's a great game, but there is most definitely a rivalry.

SolidTy

[QUOTE="masiisam"]>No problem Bro...

It seems quite simple that IN ADDITION to the assists T10 have implemented to the core gameplay mechanics making the genre more accessible to a larger market.... T10 have clearly stated they are RETAINING the "sim" aspects that fans enjoyed with FM2.

To make it simple...You can turn the assists on or off:|

Reading comprehension will always make things clearer and more understandable..Try doing it before you call someone one sided or bias..

f50p90

I'm sorry I fail to see the point of Nascarbeing abig deal. I can't really see this being big outside America. Great way to boost the 'vehicle count' though. 400 variants of a Nascar with different paintjobs...Great!

From what I've seen I think FZ2 is as technically impressive as GT5.

Camer999

[QUOTE="SolidTy"]

No Rivalry except for The Forza team making fun of the GT team playing their game at E3 (Even though the Forza team obviously was inspired by GT in the first place.)

Then, right after that, there was the ForzaGATE Bribe scandal on CNET.

Forza's a great game, but there is most definitely a rivalry.

shadow8585

Who was saying that? The fact is Forza is a clone... and the fact that gt5 prolouge got a 7.5 and it wasnt even a real game! it just goes to show how much better the GT series is... Ohh i said fact too much i feel all light headed... i need to go lie down

OMG stop with the freaking forza3/gt5 threads....

the dead horse has been beaten many many times now

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[QUOTE="SolidTy"]

No Rivalry except for The Forza team making fun of the GT team playing their game at E3 (Even though the Forza team obviously was inspired by GT in the first place.)

Then, right after that, there was the ForzaGATE Bribe scandal on CNET.

Forza's a great game, but there is most definitely a rivalry.

Jono789

Who was saying that? The fact is Forza is a clone... and the fact that gt5 prolouge got a 7.5 and it wasnt even a real game! it just goes to show how much better the GT series is... Ohh i said fact too much i feel all light headed... i need to go lie down

Saying that Forza is a clone of GT is as ignorant as saying Killzone 2 is a clone of Halo 3.

GT5: Prologue getting a 7.5 despite the fact that it's not a "real game" does not show that the GT series is better than the Forza series. If it had received a score in the 8.0 - 9.0 range, then you might have something to brag about.

Near enough the same game sure GT2 was the daddy but what since then seriously. Forza 2 cars looked great just the backgrounds looked a bit rubbish now it all looks just as good if not better than a game that has been in development forever.

Now that we got the "GT can still compete with Forza" drivel out of the way, let me post up some numbers. Forza 1- 9.2 Forza 2- 9.2 Forza 3- Almost certainly 9.2+ GT4- a generous 8.9 GT5P- 7.5 GT5- ?shadow8585

A lot of people seem to be forgetting how close togetherthe numbers 8.9 and 9.2 are. One is greater than the other, but not by much at all.

[QUOTE="SolidTy"]

No Rivalry except for The Forza team making fun of the GT team playing their game at E3 (Even though the Forza team obviously was inspired by GT in the first place.)

Then, right after that, there was the ForzaGATE Bribe scandal on CNET.

Forza's a great game, but there is most definitely a rivalry.

shadow8585

[QUOTE="Camer999"]

From what I've seen I think FZ2 is as technically impressive as GT5.

bleehum

meh.....I don't even consider GT a racing SIM, not with it's bumper-car gameplay & all.

There is a rivalry, but one that Forza has won for now. Maybe GT5 will change things, but we'll see when it gets released

can't we all just get along

[QUOTE="shadow8585"]

[QUOTE="SolidTy"]

No Rivalry except for The Forza team making fun of the GT team playing their game at E3 (Even though the Forza team obviously was inspired by GT in the first place.)

Then, right after that, there was the ForzaGATE Bribe scandal on CNET.

Forza's a great game, but there is most definitely a rivalry.

Chutebox

Actually, you both need to do some research because Turn 10 never made fun of Polyphony Digital for coming by to take notes on Forza 3.

Here's a direct quote from Turn 10 about the whole thing...

"Perhaps the most surprising to me was when a couple developers from Gran Turismo makers Polyphony Digital came by to personally get hands-on with Forza 3, all the while taking careful notes, examining our UI system, shooting photos, and directly asking us some pretty interesting questions. The reason I say I was personally surprised was because PD aren't generally known as a studio to acknowledge that there are racing games that exist beyond their own. Which could explain why the GT franchise has been so stagnant in the racing genre since GT3. So it seems competition is good for the consumer after all. I know for a fact that Turn 10 will never stop pushing racing games to the next level."

Where did Turn 10 make fun of PD? When they said PD doesn't acknowledge the fact that other racing games exist outside of their own? When they said the franchise has been stagnant since GT3?

Well, I hate to break it to you, but he's not saying anything that isn't true. If you've been following Kazunori Yamauchi, you would know that he generally dismisses other racing games when they are brought up. As far as the stagnation of the GT series is concerned, one of the most common complaints about GT4 is that it was essentially a carbon copy of GT3 with little in the way of new features besides more cars and tracks. Based on that, one could logically argue that the series has been stagnant for some time.

So I say again, Turn 10 never made fun of PD. The gaming media is responsible for blowing that quote out of proportion.

I wouldn't go as far to say that Forza is superior to GT, they are both excellent driving experiences. I just prefer Forza atm.what can I say, I like to paint my cars.But the car models in GT are unmatched. I'll be playing both.

[QUOTE="Chutebox"]

[QUOTE="shadow8585"] What an ignorant ridiculous statement. So every shooter was inspired by Goldeneye? Every sports game by Madden 93? Forza is a racing game but still different in many ways when directly compared to GT and in the majority of the differences, Forza excels

The_Game21x

Actually, you both need to do some research because Turn 10 never made fun of Polyphony Digital for coming by to take notes on Forza 3.

Here's a direct quote from Turn 10 about the whole thing...

"Perhaps the most surprising to me was when a couple developers from Gran Turismo makers Polyphony Digital came by to personally get hands-on with Forza 3, all the while taking careful notes, examining our UI system, shooting photos, and directly asking us some pretty interesting questions. The reason I say I was personally surprised was because PD aren't generally known as a studio to acknowledge that there are racing games that exist beyond their own. Which could explain why the GT franchise has been so stagnant in the racing genre since GT3. So it seems competition is good for the consumer after all. I know for a fact that Turn 10 will never stop pushing racing games to the next level."

Where did Turn 10 make fun of PD? When they said PD doesn't acknowledge the fact that other racing games exist outside of their own? When they said the franchise has been stagnant since GT3?

Well, I hate to break it to you, but he's not saying anything that isn't true. If you've been following Kazunori Yamauchi, you would know that he generally dismisses other racing games when they are brought up. As far as the stagnation of the GT series is concerned, one of the most common complaints about GT4 is that it was essentially a carbon copy of GT3 with little in the way of new features besides more cars and tracks. Based on that, one could logically argue that the series has been stagnant for some time.

So I say again, Turn 10 never made fun of PD. The gaming media is responsible for blowing that quote out of proportion.

[QUOTE="The_Game21x"]

[QUOTE="Chutebox"] They said it themselves pal, do some research.

Chutebox

Actually, you both need to do some research because Turn 10 never made fun of Polyphony Digital for coming by to take notes on Forza 3.

Here's a direct quote from Turn 10 about the whole thing...

"Perhaps the most surprising to me was when a couple developers from Gran Turismo makers Polyphony Digital came by to personally get hands-on with Forza 3, all the while taking careful notes, examining our UI system, shooting photos, and directly asking us some pretty interesting questions. The reason I say I was personally surprised was because PD aren't generally known as a studio to acknowledge that there are racing games that exist beyond their own. Which could explain why the GT franchise has been so stagnant in the racing genre since GT3. So it seems competition is good for the consumer after all. I know for a fact that Turn 10 will never stop pushing racing games to the next level."

Where did Turn 10 make fun of PD? When they said PD doesn't acknowledge the fact that other racing games exist outside of their own? When they said the franchise has been stagnant since GT3?

Well, I hate to break it to you, but he's not saying anything that isn't true. If you've been following Kazunori Yamauchi, you would know that he generally dismisses other racing games when they are brought up. As far as the stagnation of the GT series is concerned, one of the most common complaints about GT4 is that it was essentially a carbon copy of GT3 with little in the way of new features besides more cars and tracks. Based on that, one could logically argue that the series has been stagnant for some time.

So I say again, Turn 10 never made fun of PD. The gaming media is responsible for blowing that quote out of proportion.